There are 11 Blake males listed on The Trafalgar Database (https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/) including five from England, four from Ireland, one from Wales and one from America.
David Blake aged 22 born in Newcastle.
Ship: HMS Victory
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman
Service details
Comments: From: Woolwich Tender
HMS Victory
Ship's pay book number: (SB 399)
11 May 1803 to 15 January 1806 (Was at Trafalgar)
Rank/rating: Able Seaman
Comments: prest
HMS Ocean
Ship's pay book number: (SB 274)
17 January 1806 to 14 April 1809
Rank/rating: Able Seaman
HMS Ville De Paris (1)
Prisoner of War #840 serving on HMS Friends, 7 Sep 1813 (2)
Sources used
(1) The National Archives (UK): Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15900
(2) The National Archives (UK): Catalogue reference: ADM 103/465 (part 1)
Jacob Blake aged 30 born in America.
Ship: HMS Revenge
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman
Service details
Comments: From: Utrecht, Dowry prest
HMS Revenge
Ship's pay book number: (SB 487)
14 June 1805 (1)
Sources used
(1) The National Archives (UK), Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16545
James Blake aged 20 born in Manchester, Lancashire, England.
Ship: HMS Royal Sovereign
Rank/Rating: Landsman
Service details (1)
HMS Royal Sovereign
Ship's pay book number: (SB 527)
1 March 1805
He is possibly the James Blake, 22 of Manchester who is listed on a Trinity House Petition - series 1 Book 11 page 17 (2)
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15755
(2) Find My Past, Trinity House Petitions, Series 1 (copyright Society of Genealogists)
James Blake, aged 24 born in Donegal, Ireland.
Ship: HMS Colossus
Rank/Rating: Landsman
Service details (1)
HMS Colossus
Ship's pay book number: (SB 187)
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15825
James Blake, aged 21 born in Sidmouth, Devon, England.
Ship: HMS Minotaur
Rank/Rating: Ordinary Seaman
Service details (1)
HMS Minotaur
Ship's pay book number: (SB 491)
There is a James Blake living at Stoke Damerel on the 1851 English Census born at Maker, Cornwall so not likely the correct one but he was born in 1782. I did not find a James Blake born at Sidmouth or closeby to that area looking at Find My Past.
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16055
James Blake aged 17 born in Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Ship: HMS Leviathan
Rank/Rating: Landsman
Service details (1)
HMS Leviathan
24 June 1804
Comments: Volunteer
Ship\s pay book number: (SB 1715)
25 June 1804
Also found on Find My Past under Merchant Seaman I found a long list of Blake males includes a number of James Blake but not this man will have to go back in and collect these another time.
Sources used:
(1)The National Archives: Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15837
John Blake, aged 29 born in Wexford, Ireland.
Ship: HMS Leviathan
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman
Personal details:
Notes : will and power to wife 15 March 1804
Service details (1)
HMS Leviathan
Ship's pay book number: (SB 1139)
23 November 1803
Rank/rating: Ordinary Seaman
24 November 1803
Sources used
(1)The National Archives, Catalogue reference ADM 36/15837
John Blake, aged 28 born in Dublin, Ireland.
Ship: HMS Naiad
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman
Service details (1)
HMS Naiad
Ship's pay book number: (SB 137)
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16799
John Blake aged 16 born in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales.
Ship: HMS Bellerophon
Rank/Rating: Boy
Service details (1)
Comments: from Salvador Del Mundo, United Brothers, Volunteer
HMS Bellerophon
Ship's pay book number: (B3C, no 30)
29 April 1805 to 17 December 1805 (was at Trafalgar)
Rank/rating: Boy
Ship's pay book number: (SB 868)
18 December 1805 to 2 February 1808
Rank/rating: Landsman
Comments: Run 2 February 1808 Plymouth, Devon, England
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16498
John Blake aged 40 born in Catdown, Devon, England.
Ship: HMS Sirius
Rank/Rating: Yeoman of the Sheets
Personal details
Notes
TNA catalogue reference ADM 73/2 records that John Blake was admitted to Greenwich Hospital as an in-pensioner on 11 April 1811.
Service details
HMS Alarm
11 January 1794 to 6 May 1794
Rank/rating: Able Seaman
HMS Veteran
7 May 1794 to 13 October 1796
Rank/rating: Coxswain and Yeoman of the Signals
HMS Duke
14 October 1796 to 10 April 1798
Rank/rating: Yeoman of the Signals and Boatswain's Mate
HMS Europa
11 April 1798 to 26 September 1799
Rank/rating: Boatswain's Mate
HMS Temeraire
27 September 1799 to 5 October 1802
Rank/rating: Yeoman of the Signals and Boatswain's Mate
HMS Sirius
Ship's pay book number: (SB 108)
7 October 1802 to 8 May 1807 (Was at Trafalgar)
Rank/rating: Yeoman of the Signals
HMS Madras
9 May 1807 to 11 February 1808
Rank/rating: Able Seaman
There is a John Blake baptized at Torbryan Devon son of John and Mary Blake 1 Apr 1764 (3).
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16854
(2) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 73/2
(3) Devon Baptisms 3066a/PR/1/2, South West Heritage Trust, viewed on Find My Past
Robert Blake aged 22 born in County Wexford, Ireland
Ship: HMS Prince
Rank/Rating: Landsman
Service details (1)
HMS Prince
Ship\s pay book number: (SB 131)
13 April 1804
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16274
Sunday, July 26, 2015
DNA and Surname Studies
I gave a Google Hangout on Saturday for The Surname Society on DNA and Surname Studies and promised to share it with my blog. I belong to both The Guild of One-Name Studies and The Surname Society. My world wide one-name studies are at the Guild and my localized one name studies are at The Surname Society.
http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/TSS-Hangout-25Jul2015-DNA%20and%20Surname%20Studies.pptx
Slide 1
Title Page (PLCGS is an acronym for Professional Learning Certificate in Genealogical Studies which I obtained from The National Institute for Genealogical Studies which was based at the University of Toronto in the Faculty of Information Studies when I graduated in 2007 in English and Canadian Studies).
Slide 2
List of Useful books for DNA and Surname Studies
Slide 3
I find this useful to add as I want people to realize what they may learn from DNA testing and how one should approach this rather novel and progressive way of looking at your genealogy. Personally it was the advent of DNA testing (and my cousin's prompting as he wanted a profile of my emigrant Pincombe family for a local history book) that really brought me into genealogy as I felt that I could actually prove my ancestry.
Slide 4
Useful abbreviations
Slide 5
I like all the testing companies that I have used. I do not have any actual preference as they have all served the purpose that I had in mind when I tested at them.
Slide 6
Getting into the nitty-gritty now, I suggest that if anyone wants to join a project that you manage you should let them unless they really do not carry the surname that you are looking for at all or do not belong to the particular haplogroup of which you are administrator/co-administrator.
Slide 7
My summary of the talk to follow. The first six slides were a warmup to get into the topic itself. From this point the slides assume some knowledge of the different types of DNA although I do give a brief overlook.
Slide 8
List of the DNA that I am going to look at and for the moment is the DNA tested by the companies at which I have tested either myself or my brother.
Slide 9
Y DNA or the Male line in one's ancestry. Our father may be known (as in my case) or unknown to us but the Y DNA which the sons of any particular male carry traces his line back generation upon generation to the first individual who carried that exact genetic signature (although a few mutations could have crept in through the centuries).
Slide 10
Autosomal DNA which is contributed to by all our ancestors although they may not all show up in the resultant set that we receive because that is the luck of the draw one might say. I believe that autosomal DNA is now coming into its own and is quite important in DNA projects.
Slide 11
X chromosome is the mate to the Y chromosome in males and females receive an X chromosome from each parent. In males there are a limited number of people who will match you because your X chromosome is solely from your mother so is entirely her side of the family and excludes her father's father's line. but does include her father's mother's line since that is the exact chromosome which he has passed to his daughters. Perhaps not useful for Surname Studies but could prove interesting on occasion when sorting through matches.
Slide 12
Mitochondrial DNA probably has very little use in Surname Studies but I do mention one and that is geographic location for emigrant ancestors. Really not pertinent if you already know where your ancestors lived but in the case of people whose ancestors emigrated in the 1600s (or long before that actually when one looks at the First Peoples to the Western Hemisphere) as a married couple the mitochondrial DNA might point to a location where the particular haplogroup subclade is found.
Slide 13
Case Studies to be examined include my husband's Kipp/Kip one name study and two of my one name studies Pincombe and Blake.
Slide 14
My husband has been running his KIPP/KIP study at FT DNA for over six years now. His purpose was to find the genetic signature for this rather interesting family. His own line goes back to his 2x great grandfather Isaac KIPP who was born in 1764 likely at Northeast Town in Dutchess County where he is found on the census with his wife Hannah in 1790 living next to or with his father in law Jonathan Mead. Was this KIPP family the New Amsterdam family from the late 1630s (emigrated from Amsterdam Holland) or was it one of the KIPP families that was naturalized in the 1750s coming from the Germanic States. These two groups are the ancestors of many of the KIPP/KIP families in North America.
Slide 15
I then discussed the KIPP study and the members and that the study determined that this was not a singleton surname by the Y DNA results.
Slide 16
A list of the first 12 markers found for the New Amsterdam family and the significance of DYS426 being 13 in this family grouping thus separating this KIPP/KIP family from the other KIPP families in North America. There are differences in CDYa/b which it is hoped will permit separation of the three sons of the original emigrant or perhaps sons of those sons. That is still being worked on as this part of the study slowly grows.
Slide 17
I summarized the comments above noting that one of the other study groups has similar results in the first 12 markers except for the significant DYS426 which is 12 in that family but they also have other differences which results in a Genetic Distance of 6 or 7 on 37 markers. Hence they are not the same family in a genealogical timeframe. My husband has done a lot of research on Dutch records now and has determined that at least prior to 1600 (and not sure how far back before that time) this family lived in the border area of Denmark/Netherlands/Germany although in the territory known as The Netherlands at that time.
Slide 18
One of my pet recommendations to anyone in a surname group that I am involved with is to encourage them to join the relevant haplogroup project for their surname. The administrators of the Haplogroup projects have been very aggressive in putting together fantastic phylogenetic charts of their members and I include an image that I wasn't able to show yesterday due to technical problems at my end.
This particular chart is for my Blake line (Blayke) and note that CTS4122+ separates my Blayke from Blake beside it. The interesting part of all of this is that my grandfather worked with the ancestor of this tester in the Train Yards at Eastleigh and they wondered if they were related. Probably not in a thousand years one might suspect. But interesting to see how the administrators are putting together their information into charts into a genealogical timeframe.
Slide 19
A second case study and this one for my PINCOMBE/PINKHAM one name study. This slide talks about some of the people who have tested and how these results looked. As a result of the first two items I decided to set the Y DNA study aside for several years. The third bullet item brought it back to life again and the fourth bullet item provides a short historical reference to a will that I have transcribed and how it might work into the story of bullet three.
Slide 20
This is my PINCOMBE family tree from my grandfather back to his furtherest back known ancestor (lived at North Molton, Devon). The black arrow marks the most recent common ancestor for the PINCOMBE tester in Australia and myself. John PINCOMBE (b 1808 Bishops Nympton, Devon) is my emigrant ancestor.
Slide 21
I talked about the problems that I had with this PINCOMBE/PINKHAM single surname study. Mostly it is the small group of testers and no matches. My history of this family is known back to about 1485 but the other testers are looking at the latter part of the 1600s for their furtherest back ancestor. I found some interesting earlier history for the PENCOMBE (spelling used by the earliest PINCOMBE at North Molton, Devon) family in Herefordshire in the 1300s. At the time of the mismatch I also noted that the surname PINKHAM was found in Devon/Cornwall earlier than 1485.
Slide 22
My PINCOMBE/PINKHAM study was an inherited one from an earlier researcher to whom I am not
related as far as I know. The earlier study had been deposited at the Society of Genealogists, London, England, UK and the original researcher Dr Richard PINKHAM (Gloucestershire) had begun this study prior to WWII when he first collected his information including abstracting the wills at the Devon Record Office (bombed in WWII and all records destroyed). I do not want to undo 50+ years of research; I do not mind incorporating new material into the existing study. So I adopted a wait and see attitude as my method of resolving the conflict mentioned in Slide 19.
Slide 23
Resolving such a difficulty may not occur very quickly and there are several other ways to look at a study anyway so I continued (and still continue) collecting documental evidence for the PINCOMBE/PINKHAM family. I blog about the Pincombe family and with my own success with Family Finder and PINCOMBE/PINKHAM really encourage any female PINCOMBE/PINKHAM to test with Family Finder and join the project. Then luck enters into the equation and the match in Sweden is certainly very very interesting especially as his haplogroup is not very common in Sweden (more common in the British Isles).
Slide 24
Autosomal DNA has played a role in the PINCOMBE/PINKHAM study as I have two different matches one with a known fourth cousin and one with a known third cousin once removed with our common ancestor being in the PINCOMBE family. I mention that finding a descendant of the John PINCOMBE and Johane BLACKMOORE family would add greatly to the study and prove this line although the paper proof is probably more than adequate (I have transcribed the entire set of parish registers at Bishops Nympton) the DNA verification is always exciting as well.
Slide 25
The BLAKE/BLEAK study is the final case study in this presentation looking at Y DNA principally with a little autosomal mentioned. The actual Y DNA study is administered by Bill BLEAK although I am a co-administrator along with two others. This study although begun in 2004 is still in its infancy. Interesting results are coming out of it but more testers are needed. With such a large surname 50+ testers is not enough to really draw a lot of conclusions. I publish the Blake Newsletter four times a year and report on the DNA progress of the study there.
Slide 26
A little background on the Blake one name study.
Slide 27
This Case Study looks at the descendants of a group of families - PARLEE/ALLEN/FOLKINS and I mention GedMatch as being a good site to enter your results and collect your matches by surname if possible or at least by matches.
Slide 28
More on the PARLEE/ALLEN/FOLKINS families and they descend from United Empire Loyalists brought to New Brunswick by the British following the American Revolution. I propose that as you put known cousins into the Chromosome Browser start marking portions of the Chromosome as belonging to a particular surname if possible. As you acquire more and more members it may be possible to find particular areas that are specific to a surname and then when unknown but likely related people join you can predict their lineage by their matches. An interesting way to look at surname projects I think.
Slide 29
Talked about mitochondrial DNA project and I am involved in two - the T haplogroup project and the H11 project. both at FT DNA.
Slide 30
H11 Haplogroup phylogenetic chart (build of February 2014). I have over 100 members in my study with their full genetic scan and a couple of these subclades appear to belong to particular areas in Europe (Europe includes both East and West). My own haplogroup H11a2a1 appears to be NorthWestern Europe and primarily the British Isles). The haplogroup H11a2a2 is primarily an Eastern European group. H11b1 appears to be mostly Eastern Europe extending into Central Europe.
Slide 31
Mitochondrial DNA is not really useful in Surname studies except perhaps that a location of an emigrant couple might be discovered.
Slide 32
X chromosome studies is again the least useful in Surname Studies. Males have limited matches so might prove useful on occasion.
Slide 33
Quick review of the benefits and drawbacks to Y DNA studies although I think that testing your paternal line is absolutely essential and any drawbacks are really very unimportant. How to attract members is always a problem but publicizing your study is the best means.
Slide 34
A query slide with my email but I should mention my knowledge of DNA is limited to the above.
Slide 35
List of suggested books and I do own them all and find each of them to be most useful.
Slide 36
Thank you for reading this far!
http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/TSS-Hangout-25Jul2015-DNA%20and%20Surname%20Studies.pptx
Slide 1
Title Page (PLCGS is an acronym for Professional Learning Certificate in Genealogical Studies which I obtained from The National Institute for Genealogical Studies which was based at the University of Toronto in the Faculty of Information Studies when I graduated in 2007 in English and Canadian Studies).
Slide 2
List of Useful books for DNA and Surname Studies
Slide 3
I find this useful to add as I want people to realize what they may learn from DNA testing and how one should approach this rather novel and progressive way of looking at your genealogy. Personally it was the advent of DNA testing (and my cousin's prompting as he wanted a profile of my emigrant Pincombe family for a local history book) that really brought me into genealogy as I felt that I could actually prove my ancestry.
Slide 4
Useful abbreviations
Slide 5
I like all the testing companies that I have used. I do not have any actual preference as they have all served the purpose that I had in mind when I tested at them.
Slide 6
Getting into the nitty-gritty now, I suggest that if anyone wants to join a project that you manage you should let them unless they really do not carry the surname that you are looking for at all or do not belong to the particular haplogroup of which you are administrator/co-administrator.
Slide 7
My summary of the talk to follow. The first six slides were a warmup to get into the topic itself. From this point the slides assume some knowledge of the different types of DNA although I do give a brief overlook.
Slide 8
List of the DNA that I am going to look at and for the moment is the DNA tested by the companies at which I have tested either myself or my brother.
Slide 9
Y DNA or the Male line in one's ancestry. Our father may be known (as in my case) or unknown to us but the Y DNA which the sons of any particular male carry traces his line back generation upon generation to the first individual who carried that exact genetic signature (although a few mutations could have crept in through the centuries).
Slide 10
Autosomal DNA which is contributed to by all our ancestors although they may not all show up in the resultant set that we receive because that is the luck of the draw one might say. I believe that autosomal DNA is now coming into its own and is quite important in DNA projects.
Slide 11
X chromosome is the mate to the Y chromosome in males and females receive an X chromosome from each parent. In males there are a limited number of people who will match you because your X chromosome is solely from your mother so is entirely her side of the family and excludes her father's father's line. but does include her father's mother's line since that is the exact chromosome which he has passed to his daughters. Perhaps not useful for Surname Studies but could prove interesting on occasion when sorting through matches.
Slide 12
Mitochondrial DNA probably has very little use in Surname Studies but I do mention one and that is geographic location for emigrant ancestors. Really not pertinent if you already know where your ancestors lived but in the case of people whose ancestors emigrated in the 1600s (or long before that actually when one looks at the First Peoples to the Western Hemisphere) as a married couple the mitochondrial DNA might point to a location where the particular haplogroup subclade is found.
Slide 13
Case Studies to be examined include my husband's Kipp/Kip one name study and two of my one name studies Pincombe and Blake.
Slide 14
My husband has been running his KIPP/KIP study at FT DNA for over six years now. His purpose was to find the genetic signature for this rather interesting family. His own line goes back to his 2x great grandfather Isaac KIPP who was born in 1764 likely at Northeast Town in Dutchess County where he is found on the census with his wife Hannah in 1790 living next to or with his father in law Jonathan Mead. Was this KIPP family the New Amsterdam family from the late 1630s (emigrated from Amsterdam Holland) or was it one of the KIPP families that was naturalized in the 1750s coming from the Germanic States. These two groups are the ancestors of many of the KIPP/KIP families in North America.
Slide 15
I then discussed the KIPP study and the members and that the study determined that this was not a singleton surname by the Y DNA results.
Slide 16
A list of the first 12 markers found for the New Amsterdam family and the significance of DYS426 being 13 in this family grouping thus separating this KIPP/KIP family from the other KIPP families in North America. There are differences in CDYa/b which it is hoped will permit separation of the three sons of the original emigrant or perhaps sons of those sons. That is still being worked on as this part of the study slowly grows.
Slide 17
I summarized the comments above noting that one of the other study groups has similar results in the first 12 markers except for the significant DYS426 which is 12 in that family but they also have other differences which results in a Genetic Distance of 6 or 7 on 37 markers. Hence they are not the same family in a genealogical timeframe. My husband has done a lot of research on Dutch records now and has determined that at least prior to 1600 (and not sure how far back before that time) this family lived in the border area of Denmark/Netherlands/Germany although in the territory known as The Netherlands at that time.
Slide 18
One of my pet recommendations to anyone in a surname group that I am involved with is to encourage them to join the relevant haplogroup project for their surname. The administrators of the Haplogroup projects have been very aggressive in putting together fantastic phylogenetic charts of their members and I include an image that I wasn't able to show yesterday due to technical problems at my end.
This particular chart is for my Blake line (Blayke) and note that CTS4122+ separates my Blayke from Blake beside it. The interesting part of all of this is that my grandfather worked with the ancestor of this tester in the Train Yards at Eastleigh and they wondered if they were related. Probably not in a thousand years one might suspect. But interesting to see how the administrators are putting together their information into charts into a genealogical timeframe.
Slide 19
A second case study and this one for my PINCOMBE/PINKHAM one name study. This slide talks about some of the people who have tested and how these results looked. As a result of the first two items I decided to set the Y DNA study aside for several years. The third bullet item brought it back to life again and the fourth bullet item provides a short historical reference to a will that I have transcribed and how it might work into the story of bullet three.
Slide 20
This is my PINCOMBE family tree from my grandfather back to his furtherest back known ancestor (lived at North Molton, Devon). The black arrow marks the most recent common ancestor for the PINCOMBE tester in Australia and myself. John PINCOMBE (b 1808 Bishops Nympton, Devon) is my emigrant ancestor.
Slide 21
I talked about the problems that I had with this PINCOMBE/PINKHAM single surname study. Mostly it is the small group of testers and no matches. My history of this family is known back to about 1485 but the other testers are looking at the latter part of the 1600s for their furtherest back ancestor. I found some interesting earlier history for the PENCOMBE (spelling used by the earliest PINCOMBE at North Molton, Devon) family in Herefordshire in the 1300s. At the time of the mismatch I also noted that the surname PINKHAM was found in Devon/Cornwall earlier than 1485.
Slide 22
My PINCOMBE/PINKHAM study was an inherited one from an earlier researcher to whom I am not
related as far as I know. The earlier study had been deposited at the Society of Genealogists, London, England, UK and the original researcher Dr Richard PINKHAM (Gloucestershire) had begun this study prior to WWII when he first collected his information including abstracting the wills at the Devon Record Office (bombed in WWII and all records destroyed). I do not want to undo 50+ years of research; I do not mind incorporating new material into the existing study. So I adopted a wait and see attitude as my method of resolving the conflict mentioned in Slide 19.
Slide 23
Resolving such a difficulty may not occur very quickly and there are several other ways to look at a study anyway so I continued (and still continue) collecting documental evidence for the PINCOMBE/PINKHAM family. I blog about the Pincombe family and with my own success with Family Finder and PINCOMBE/PINKHAM really encourage any female PINCOMBE/PINKHAM to test with Family Finder and join the project. Then luck enters into the equation and the match in Sweden is certainly very very interesting especially as his haplogroup is not very common in Sweden (more common in the British Isles).
Slide 24
Autosomal DNA has played a role in the PINCOMBE/PINKHAM study as I have two different matches one with a known fourth cousin and one with a known third cousin once removed with our common ancestor being in the PINCOMBE family. I mention that finding a descendant of the John PINCOMBE and Johane BLACKMOORE family would add greatly to the study and prove this line although the paper proof is probably more than adequate (I have transcribed the entire set of parish registers at Bishops Nympton) the DNA verification is always exciting as well.
Slide 25
The BLAKE/BLEAK study is the final case study in this presentation looking at Y DNA principally with a little autosomal mentioned. The actual Y DNA study is administered by Bill BLEAK although I am a co-administrator along with two others. This study although begun in 2004 is still in its infancy. Interesting results are coming out of it but more testers are needed. With such a large surname 50+ testers is not enough to really draw a lot of conclusions. I publish the Blake Newsletter four times a year and report on the DNA progress of the study there.
Slide 26
A little background on the Blake one name study.
Slide 27
This Case Study looks at the descendants of a group of families - PARLEE/ALLEN/FOLKINS and I mention GedMatch as being a good site to enter your results and collect your matches by surname if possible or at least by matches.
Slide 28
More on the PARLEE/ALLEN/FOLKINS families and they descend from United Empire Loyalists brought to New Brunswick by the British following the American Revolution. I propose that as you put known cousins into the Chromosome Browser start marking portions of the Chromosome as belonging to a particular surname if possible. As you acquire more and more members it may be possible to find particular areas that are specific to a surname and then when unknown but likely related people join you can predict their lineage by their matches. An interesting way to look at surname projects I think.
Slide 29
Talked about mitochondrial DNA project and I am involved in two - the T haplogroup project and the H11 project. both at FT DNA.
Slide 30
H11 Haplogroup phylogenetic chart (build of February 2014). I have over 100 members in my study with their full genetic scan and a couple of these subclades appear to belong to particular areas in Europe (Europe includes both East and West). My own haplogroup H11a2a1 appears to be NorthWestern Europe and primarily the British Isles). The haplogroup H11a2a2 is primarily an Eastern European group. H11b1 appears to be mostly Eastern Europe extending into Central Europe.
Slide 31
Mitochondrial DNA is not really useful in Surname studies except perhaps that a location of an emigrant couple might be discovered.
Slide 32
X chromosome studies is again the least useful in Surname Studies. Males have limited matches so might prove useful on occasion.
Slide 33
Quick review of the benefits and drawbacks to Y DNA studies although I think that testing your paternal line is absolutely essential and any drawbacks are really very unimportant. How to attract members is always a problem but publicizing your study is the best means.
Slide 34
A query slide with my email but I should mention my knowledge of DNA is limited to the above.
Slide 35
List of suggested books and I do own them all and find each of them to be most useful.
Slide 36
Thank you for reading this far!
Joanna Shepherd (1752 - ?)
52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 30
Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton,
Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham,
unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown
Joanna Shepherd was baptized 7 June 1752 at Kimpton, Hampshire the daughter of William and Joanna Shepherd. A William Shepherd was buried 12 Jan 1786 at Kimpton aged 78 years (birth year circa 1708). Is this the father of Joanna? He would have been 48 years of age when she was baptized. I haven't found a marriage for William Shepherd to Joanna.
Joanna Shepherd married John Alderman 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. Their daughter Hannah married Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. Their son William Cotterill married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton.
I did find one interesting baptism for a William Shepherd son of William Shepherd 27 Mar 1735 at Collingbourne Kingston. However he would likely be too young to be the father of Joanna.
Joanna's date of death/burial is unknown to me but she does not appear on the 1841 census at Kimpton.
Ancestry of Joanna Shepherd:
1. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Hannah ALDERMAN (b 2 Aug 1789) - Kimpton Hampshire England
3. Joanna SHEPHERD (b 7 Jun 1752) - Kimpton Hampshire England
4. William SHEPHERD
Joanna Shepherd was baptized 7 June 1752 at Kimpton, Hampshire the daughter of William and Joanna Shepherd. A William Shepherd was buried 12 Jan 1786 at Kimpton aged 78 years (birth year circa 1708). Is this the father of Joanna? He would have been 48 years of age when she was baptized. I haven't found a marriage for William Shepherd to Joanna.
Joanna Shepherd married John Alderman 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. Their daughter Hannah married Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. Their son William Cotterill married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton.
I did find one interesting baptism for a William Shepherd son of William Shepherd 27 Mar 1735 at Collingbourne Kingston. However he would likely be too young to be the father of Joanna.
Joanna's date of death/burial is unknown to me but she does not appear on the 1841 census at Kimpton.
Ancestry of Joanna Shepherd:
1. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Hannah ALDERMAN (b 2 Aug 1789) - Kimpton Hampshire England
3. Joanna SHEPHERD (b 7 Jun 1752) - Kimpton Hampshire England
4. William SHEPHERD
Tuesday, July 21, 2015
Ada Bessie Cotteril Rawlings aka Edith Bessie Taylor
My grandmother Blake was always a shadow figure in my life as she died 5 years before I was born. I knew a lot about her actual life, what she liked to do, her character and her known relatives. But when I tried to find her in the records prior to 1891 that proved to be an impossible task. She just appears in the records in 1891 as the daughter of William Taylor and his wife Elizabeth. Searching for their marriage around 1876 was also non productive. Then, bolstered by my courses at the National Institute for Genealogical Studies, I started collecting information on her siblings four in number although only three survived to adulthood. Buying their birth registrations led to the discovery of their mother Elizabeth's maiden name Rawlings. That let me find the marriage of William and Elizabeth in 1882. With that piece of knowledge I knew then that my grandmother had likely been born out of wedlock and was not likely the daughter of William Taylor. He would have been 17 years of age when she was born. I further proved this to be unlikely as he was some distance from Kimpton in this time period. Plus he was not listed as her father although did sign the marriage registration as a witness when Edith married Samuel Blake my grandfather.
I then purchased the marriage registration for William Taylor and Elizabeth Rawlings and her father was William Rawlings. Locating Elizabeth on the census in 1861 and 1871 I found her mother Elizabeth and her siblings but could not find Elizabeth in 1881 and still can not find her. I searched on William instead and up popped the 1881 census with the youngest sons David and Sidney and a grand daughter Ada Rawlings five years old born at Ludgershall. Finding the birth registration for Ada proved to be remarkably easy and I waited for yet another certificate. Looking today at Find my past for my grandmother born in 1876 is interesting as there are seven hits for Ada Rawlings born in 1876 but six are easily eliminated because I know she was born 1 April 1876 and thus is the only record that matches.
For some reason I am completely untroubled by my discovery. Illegitimacy does not hold any horrors for me. Finding my grandmother back in 2005 proved to be a catalyst for all the research that has followed. I discovered that you really can prove your line. Unfortunately it is not likely possible to determine her haplogroup. My father was her only child. She had one half sister but thus far I have not found a female descendant. The Rawlings line quickly fleshed out back to the mid seventeen hundreds and a recent post proposes a further jump back in time. William Rawlings married Elizabeth Lywood and the Lywood family has been well researched as a one name study by Warwick Lywood who has taken it back into the fifteen hundreds.
The last few 52 Ancestor Challenges have looked at the possible ancestry of my grandmother's natural father. The father she knew and dearly loved was William Taylor and I considered just letting her never be found by me in my recordings. The Taylor family was her family. My grandfather had very efficiently laid out an ancestry for her that appeared to be quite solid but I could not find a birth registration that fitted. Was I being unfair to her memory? I finally decided after l revealed her ancestry to all my siblings and they were excited that she was found that her memory was better served by truth than fiction. We love her just for being our grandmother nothing else matters. A few Cotterill, Cotterell, Cottrell matches on the various databases that I have tested tell me I am likely right but I will wait to see if they contact me.
I am mostly of the opinion that one's familial ancestry determines who you are really. One's genetic ancestry may or may not coincide but it can not include those wonderful personal anecdotes that make up the story of a family. We genealogists in this time and place have a wonderful opportunity to tell the stories of our families in amazing ways for future generations that gives flesh to the bones. Our DNA is also wonderful to include and gives us both recent and deep ancestry.
In total I have now found two illegitimacies in my ancestry. Both occur in the same line. My grandmother's grandmother was also illegitimate. I suspect that her father was a soldier during the Napoleonic Wars. Martha Peck married George Lywood a veteran of Waterloo and was the mother of Elizabeth Lywood married to William Rawlings. Not telling us the true story of our grandmother lost us the story of George at Waterloo. That story has now returned to our family history.
I then purchased the marriage registration for William Taylor and Elizabeth Rawlings and her father was William Rawlings. Locating Elizabeth on the census in 1861 and 1871 I found her mother Elizabeth and her siblings but could not find Elizabeth in 1881 and still can not find her. I searched on William instead and up popped the 1881 census with the youngest sons David and Sidney and a grand daughter Ada Rawlings five years old born at Ludgershall. Finding the birth registration for Ada proved to be remarkably easy and I waited for yet another certificate. Looking today at Find my past for my grandmother born in 1876 is interesting as there are seven hits for Ada Rawlings born in 1876 but six are easily eliminated because I know she was born 1 April 1876 and thus is the only record that matches.
For some reason I am completely untroubled by my discovery. Illegitimacy does not hold any horrors for me. Finding my grandmother back in 2005 proved to be a catalyst for all the research that has followed. I discovered that you really can prove your line. Unfortunately it is not likely possible to determine her haplogroup. My father was her only child. She had one half sister but thus far I have not found a female descendant. The Rawlings line quickly fleshed out back to the mid seventeen hundreds and a recent post proposes a further jump back in time. William Rawlings married Elizabeth Lywood and the Lywood family has been well researched as a one name study by Warwick Lywood who has taken it back into the fifteen hundreds.
The last few 52 Ancestor Challenges have looked at the possible ancestry of my grandmother's natural father. The father she knew and dearly loved was William Taylor and I considered just letting her never be found by me in my recordings. The Taylor family was her family. My grandfather had very efficiently laid out an ancestry for her that appeared to be quite solid but I could not find a birth registration that fitted. Was I being unfair to her memory? I finally decided after l revealed her ancestry to all my siblings and they were excited that she was found that her memory was better served by truth than fiction. We love her just for being our grandmother nothing else matters. A few Cotterill, Cotterell, Cottrell matches on the various databases that I have tested tell me I am likely right but I will wait to see if they contact me.
I am mostly of the opinion that one's familial ancestry determines who you are really. One's genetic ancestry may or may not coincide but it can not include those wonderful personal anecdotes that make up the story of a family. We genealogists in this time and place have a wonderful opportunity to tell the stories of our families in amazing ways for future generations that gives flesh to the bones. Our DNA is also wonderful to include and gives us both recent and deep ancestry.
In total I have now found two illegitimacies in my ancestry. Both occur in the same line. My grandmother's grandmother was also illegitimate. I suspect that her father was a soldier during the Napoleonic Wars. Martha Peck married George Lywood a veteran of Waterloo and was the mother of Elizabeth Lywood married to William Rawlings. Not telling us the true story of our grandmother lost us the story of George at Waterloo. That story has now returned to our family history.
Monday, July 20, 2015
Upcoming Presentation
Although it has been my stated intent not to do any more lectures I will be doing a Google hangout for The Surname Society next Saturday. The title will be DNA and Surname Studies. I am gradually stepping down from my involvement in this society as well. The next issue of the newsletter will be my last. I would like to do some database work for both the guild of one studies and the surname society. But any involvement in either executive is ending.
In reality it has been the entry of DNA into genealogy that has drawn me into genealogy although the initial push came from my fourth cousin George Dekay. He wanted a
Pincombe profile for the Delaware and Westminster history books published almost ten years ago now. I was reticent to take the project on. I did do so and my forays into genealogy began.
My husband and I first tested our DNA in 2006 in order to be part of The National Geographic Project. We were interested in our deep ancestry and my husband was keen to discover his Kipp line which has a brick wall at his 2nd great grandfather Isaac Kipp who was born in 1764 and came to Canada in 1800 as a settler with his wife Hannah Mead and four of their five sons. He has been studying his families for nearly 40 years.
I really expected to find that my mitochondrial line would be a fairly usual English one but surprises were in store for me. At the NG project I tested as H haplogroup with three differences from the Cambridge Reference Standard. The option to take my results into FT DNA was offered and I did do that only to discover that I had very few matches - 5 actually. One of them had done further testing and was H11. Interest kindled and so I did further testing and I have now done everything available. I have tested at Ancestry and 23 and me as well.
Very busy the rest of the day. Will share the presentation.
In reality it has been the entry of DNA into genealogy that has drawn me into genealogy although the initial push came from my fourth cousin George Dekay. He wanted a
Pincombe profile for the Delaware and Westminster history books published almost ten years ago now. I was reticent to take the project on. I did do so and my forays into genealogy began.
My husband and I first tested our DNA in 2006 in order to be part of The National Geographic Project. We were interested in our deep ancestry and my husband was keen to discover his Kipp line which has a brick wall at his 2nd great grandfather Isaac Kipp who was born in 1764 and came to Canada in 1800 as a settler with his wife Hannah Mead and four of their five sons. He has been studying his families for nearly 40 years.
I really expected to find that my mitochondrial line would be a fairly usual English one but surprises were in store for me. At the NG project I tested as H haplogroup with three differences from the Cambridge Reference Standard. The option to take my results into FT DNA was offered and I did do that only to discover that I had very few matches - 5 actually. One of them had done further testing and was H11. Interest kindled and so I did further testing and I have now done everything available. I have tested at Ancestry and 23 and me as well.
Very busy the rest of the day. Will share the presentation.
Saturday, July 18, 2015
John Alderman (circa 1750 - 1811)
52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 29
Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton,
Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown),
Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham,
unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown
John Alderman was the father of Hannah Alderman (baptized 2 Aug 1789 at Kimpton, Hampshire) and Hannah married Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. John Alderman married Joanna Shepherd 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. They baptized five children at Kimpton:
John baptized 4 May 1772 and buried 7 May 1772 at Kimpton
William baptized 2 Feb 1782
Frances baptized 21 Jun 1784
William baptized 22 Jan 1787
Hannah baptized 2 Aug 1789
The ten years is a large gap between John and William but the priest consistently identified the mother Joanna as Joanna Shepherd in all baptisms. Possibly they lived elsewhere for a period of time and I have not yet searched other areas. The burial record for John Alderman gives his age as 61 years when he died 20 Feb 1811 and there is a baptism 2 Apr 1749 at Ham, Wiltshire (11 miles from Kimpton) that is the only baptism that I found that would work looking at Find My Past. Neither the name Philip nor the name Elizabeth was used by this couple which is somewhat disconcerting so will keep my eye out for other possibilities. Philip Alderman married Elizabeth Aldridge 26 Feb 1748 at Ham, Wiltshire.
Children baptized by Philip and Elizabeth Alderman at Ham:
John baptized 2 Apr 1749
Mary baptized 24 Mar 1750
James baptized 9 Sep 1753
Philip baptized 7 Sep 1758; buried 7 Sep 1758 at Ham
No further information for Philip. There are two baptisms for Elizabeth Aldridge at Ham, the first the daughter of James and Mary baptized 7 May 1727 and the second daughter of John junior and baptized 23 Aug 1724.
Ancestry of John Alderman (possible):
1. John ALDERMAN (b 2 Apr 1749) - Ham Wiltshire England
2. Philip ALDERMAN
John Alderman was the father of Hannah Alderman (baptized 2 Aug 1789 at Kimpton, Hampshire) and Hannah married Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. John Alderman married Joanna Shepherd 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. They baptized five children at Kimpton:
John baptized 4 May 1772 and buried 7 May 1772 at Kimpton
William baptized 2 Feb 1782
Frances baptized 21 Jun 1784
William baptized 22 Jan 1787
Hannah baptized 2 Aug 1789
The ten years is a large gap between John and William but the priest consistently identified the mother Joanna as Joanna Shepherd in all baptisms. Possibly they lived elsewhere for a period of time and I have not yet searched other areas. The burial record for John Alderman gives his age as 61 years when he died 20 Feb 1811 and there is a baptism 2 Apr 1749 at Ham, Wiltshire (11 miles from Kimpton) that is the only baptism that I found that would work looking at Find My Past. Neither the name Philip nor the name Elizabeth was used by this couple which is somewhat disconcerting so will keep my eye out for other possibilities. Philip Alderman married Elizabeth Aldridge 26 Feb 1748 at Ham, Wiltshire.
Children baptized by Philip and Elizabeth Alderman at Ham:
John baptized 2 Apr 1749
Mary baptized 24 Mar 1750
James baptized 9 Sep 1753
Philip baptized 7 Sep 1758; buried 7 Sep 1758 at Ham
No further information for Philip. There are two baptisms for Elizabeth Aldridge at Ham, the first the daughter of James and Mary baptized 7 May 1727 and the second daughter of John junior and baptized 23 Aug 1724.
Ancestry of John Alderman (possible):
1. John ALDERMAN (b 2 Apr 1749) - Ham Wiltshire England
2. Philip ALDERMAN
Sunday, July 12, 2015
Mary Bartlett (1764 - possibly 3rd quarter 1837)
52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 28
Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton,
Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown),
Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham,
unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown
Mary Bartlett was baptized 13 Oct 1764 at Burbage, Wiltshire daughter of John Bartlett and Anne Tarrant who had themselves married 1762 at Burbage. This family is found at Burbage back to the grandparents of Mary thus far. Burbage is just eight miles from Woodborough and nine miles from Beechingstoke. Of note it is also just ten miles from Kimpton, Hampshire where Charles Cotterell moved at some point prior to 1824 when he married Hannah Alderman. I do not have any family lore so have no ideas on why Charles moved to this small village of Kimpton in Hampshire. At the time of the marriage of Charles to Hannah he was 38 years of age and Hannah was 35 years old. As far as I was able to ascertain they had just the two children mentioned earlier William and Mary.
Continuing on with the story of Mary Bartlett.
Two possibilities for the baptism of William Tarrant (father of Anne Tarrant, mother of Mary Bartlett):
William baptized 2 Feb 1696 at Burbage son of William and Ann.
William baptized 3 Feb 1709 at Burbage son of Edward and Mary
The Tarrant baptisms are online for Burbage and they are a large family there. I think it might be worthwhile to try and put these families together in a manner that they can be looked at as families over time.
Unlinked marriages
James Tarrant and Mary Basset married 12 Nov 1753
Joseph Tarrant and Mary Pyke married 25 Dec 1780
In the mid 1500s there are three Tarrant families at Burbage - William, Thomas and Robert. It is likely that Thomas junior is the son of Thomas and Joan Tarrant. Thomas son of William is perhaps the Thomas marrying in 1607. The William marrying in 1624 is possible the son of Thomas and Joan although he would be 38 years old. Thomas Tarrant the younger is likely the son of Thomas junior. Edward is likely the son of Thomas and Christian Tarrant (Edmund in the baptism) which would make him a grandson of William.
William (buried 4 Jul 1585) and Joan (buried 2 Feb 1588) Tarrant
William baptized 26 Dec 1562
Thomas baptized 1 May 1565
John baptized 25 Jan 1567
Thomas and Margaret Tarrant
Ann baptized 1 Jan 1562
John baptized 18 Feb 1564; buried 9 Apr 1579
Robert baptized 5 Jan 1566
Robert and Joan Tarrant
Christian baptized 16 Jun 1572
Thomas and Joan Tarrant
Judith baptized 6 Jun 1574
Thomas baptized 20 Mar 1575
Agnes baptized 14 Jun 1579
Elizabeth baptized 16 Jan 1581
Mary baptized 3 May 1584
William baptized 7 Aug 1586
Thomas junior and Susan Tarrant
Thomas baptized 22 Jan 1601
Francis and Elizabeth Tarrant
Francis baptized 1 Apr 1602
Thomas and Christian Tarrant
Edmund baptized 24 Oct 1607
Margaret baptized 30 Apr 1609
Edward baptized 2 Dec 1610
Thomas and Elizabeth Tarrant
Mary baptized 20 Mar 1616
William Tarrant
Edith baptized 1 Feb 1624
William baptized 10 Jan 1625
John baptized 22 Apr 1627
Elizabeth baptized 2 Jul 1628
Ann baptized 11 Jul 1629
Elizabeth baptized 1 Dec 1630
Thomas Tarrant (the younger)
Thomas baptized 20 Jul 1627
Susan baptized 1 Dec 1629
Bridget baptized 20 Mar 1631
Thomas the younger and Elizabeth Tarrant
William baptized 20 Jan 1634
William baptized 24 Aug 1647
Edward (buried 16 Jun 1662) and Anne Tarrant
Elizabeth baptized 21 Aug 1642
Margaret baptized 5 Feb 1643
Edward and Elizabeth Tarrant
Edward baptized 1 Jan 1644
Mary baptized 1 Sep 1647
William (buried 21 Jul 1682) and Alice (buried 26 May 1674) Tarrant
William baptized 17 Nov 1658
John baptized 31 Dec 1660; buried 11 Aug 1674
Margarett baptized 15 Oct 1665
Bettoris baptized 14 Jan 1667
Edmund baptized 16 Oct 1670; buried 24 Jun 1674
Benjamin baptized 16 Jun 1673
Thomas and Rose Tarrant
Edward baptized 6 Nov 1659
Thomas and Kathryn Tarrant (junior)
Ralph baptized 22 Mar 1663
Beniamin baptized 27 Dec 1665
Thomas and Elizabeth Tarrant
Edward baptized 16 Oct 1673
William baptized 21 Jan 1676
William baptized 20 Oct 1678
Margaret baptized 15 Nov 1682
Ralph and Ellenor Tarrant
Ralph baptized 4 Jun 1676
Anne baptized 4 Apr 1678
Anne baptized 31 May 1680
James baptized 31 Jan 1681
Ellenor baptized 11 Sep 1684
Elizabeth baptized 17 Mar 1689
Edmund (buried 9 Dec 1702) and Ruth Tarrant
Edmund baptized 30 Jan 1676
Ruth baptized 23 Dec 1677
Elizabeth baptized 6 Jun 1680
Edmund baptized 29 Nov 1682
Mary baptized 11 Sep 1685
Thomas baptized 25 Nov 1686
Mary baptized 19 Jul 1689
Elizabeth baptized 20 Apr 1692
George (buried 15 Feb 1703) Tarrant and Alice (buried 11 Feb 1697) Sh_ married 13 Oct 1679
George baptized 2 Dec 1680
Thomas baptized 2 Sep 1683
Thomas baptized 1 Aug 1686
Alice baptized 3 Aug 1690
Ralph and Elizabeth (London) Tarrant
Elizabeth baptized 2 Aug 1691
William and Ann Tarrant
Ann baptized 10 Apr 1692
Ruth baptized 2 Oct 1694
William baptized 2 Feb 1696
James (buried 26 Jul 1715) Tarrant and Mary Durnford married 1 Mar 1702
Mary 10 May 1703
James baptized 14 Nov 1706
Edward and Mary Tarrant
Thomas baptized 11 Apr 1704
Mary baptized 15 Dec 1706
William baptized 3 Feb 1709
Edmund baptized 29 Jan 1712
George baptized 18 Aug 1717
Ralph and Patience (buried 4 May 1710) Tarrant
James baptized 5 Jun 1704
Mary baptized 5 Nov 1706
Sarah baptized 4 Sep 1709
James and Jane Tarrant
Sarah baptized 31 Oct 1727
Mary baptized 10 Oct 1729
Elizabeth baptized 10 Oct 1729
Jane baptized 29 Jan 1730
Martha baptized 27 Dec 1732
Thomas baptized 2 Mar 1737
James and Sarah Tarrant
Patience baptized 9 Nov 1735
Daniel and Sarah Tarrant
John baptized 14 Jun 1736
George Tarrant and Mary Kingston married 21 Nov 1738
Mary baptized 11 Feb 1738
William baptized 27 Nov 1740
Mary baptized 25 Sep 1743
Anne baptized 15 Nov 1745
William Tarrant and Anne Holloway married 9 Oct 1738
Mary baptized 25 Jun 1739
Anne baptized 2 Jun 1742
William baptized 12 Oct 1744
Thomas baptized 16 Jul 1749
Sapphira baptized 15 May 1753
Sarah baptized 25 Jun 1756
Charlotte baptized 11 Nov 1761
Joseph and Mary Tarrant
John baptized 5 Mar 1769
Sarah baptized 10 Nov 1771
Joannah baptized 26 Mar 1775
Mary Bartlett's father John was baptized 30 Jan 1736 at Burbage the son of John Bartlett and Mary Wilkins who were themselves married in 1735 at Burbage.There is a John Bartlet baptized at Edington (9 miles from Burbage) 14 Jul 1709 son of James and Jane Bartlet. This is likely the James Bartley who married Jane Scoetling at Edington 15 May 1704.
Children of James and Jane Bartlet baptized at Edington:
Edward baptized 20 Mar 1705
Robert baptized 18 Nov 1707
John baptized 14 Jul 1709
Jane baptized 9 Jul 1712
James baptized 27 May1714
Isaac baptized 14 Nov 1716
Richard baptized 27 May 1720
Thomas baptized 10 Mar 1722
There was also a John Bartlet baptized 5 Dec 1705 at Edington son of William junior and Mary. Both of these Bartlet families lived at Tinhead.
Children of William junior and Mary baptized at Edington:
William baptized 14 Nov 1699
John baptized 5 Dec 1705
At this point it isn't possible to determine which John Bartlet is the correct one.I could not find a Mary Wilkins baptized in this area.
Ancestry of Mary Bartlett:
1. Mary BARTLETT (b 13 Oct 1764) - Burbage Wiltshire England
2. John BARTLETT (b 30 Jan 1736) - Burbage Wiltshire England
3. John BARTLETT
Mary Bartlett was baptized 13 Oct 1764 at Burbage, Wiltshire daughter of John Bartlett and Anne Tarrant who had themselves married 1762 at Burbage. This family is found at Burbage back to the grandparents of Mary thus far. Burbage is just eight miles from Woodborough and nine miles from Beechingstoke. Of note it is also just ten miles from Kimpton, Hampshire where Charles Cotterell moved at some point prior to 1824 when he married Hannah Alderman. I do not have any family lore so have no ideas on why Charles moved to this small village of Kimpton in Hampshire. At the time of the marriage of Charles to Hannah he was 38 years of age and Hannah was 35 years old. As far as I was able to ascertain they had just the two children mentioned earlier William and Mary.
Continuing on with the story of Mary Bartlett.
Two possibilities for the baptism of William Tarrant (father of Anne Tarrant, mother of Mary Bartlett):
William baptized 2 Feb 1696 at Burbage son of William and Ann.
William baptized 3 Feb 1709 at Burbage son of Edward and Mary
The Tarrant baptisms are online for Burbage and they are a large family there. I think it might be worthwhile to try and put these families together in a manner that they can be looked at as families over time.
Unlinked marriages
James Tarrant and Mary Basset married 12 Nov 1753
Joseph Tarrant and Mary Pyke married 25 Dec 1780
In the mid 1500s there are three Tarrant families at Burbage - William, Thomas and Robert. It is likely that Thomas junior is the son of Thomas and Joan Tarrant. Thomas son of William is perhaps the Thomas marrying in 1607. The William marrying in 1624 is possible the son of Thomas and Joan although he would be 38 years old. Thomas Tarrant the younger is likely the son of Thomas junior. Edward is likely the son of Thomas and Christian Tarrant (Edmund in the baptism) which would make him a grandson of William.
William (buried 4 Jul 1585) and Joan (buried 2 Feb 1588) Tarrant
William baptized 26 Dec 1562
Thomas baptized 1 May 1565
John baptized 25 Jan 1567
Thomas and Margaret Tarrant
Ann baptized 1 Jan 1562
John baptized 18 Feb 1564; buried 9 Apr 1579
Robert baptized 5 Jan 1566
Robert and Joan Tarrant
Christian baptized 16 Jun 1572
Thomas and Joan Tarrant
Judith baptized 6 Jun 1574
Thomas baptized 20 Mar 1575
Agnes baptized 14 Jun 1579
Elizabeth baptized 16 Jan 1581
Mary baptized 3 May 1584
William baptized 7 Aug 1586
Thomas junior and Susan Tarrant
Thomas baptized 22 Jan 1601
Francis and Elizabeth Tarrant
Francis baptized 1 Apr 1602
Thomas and Christian Tarrant
Edmund baptized 24 Oct 1607
Margaret baptized 30 Apr 1609
Edward baptized 2 Dec 1610
Thomas and Elizabeth Tarrant
Mary baptized 20 Mar 1616
William Tarrant
Edith baptized 1 Feb 1624
William baptized 10 Jan 1625
John baptized 22 Apr 1627
Elizabeth baptized 2 Jul 1628
Ann baptized 11 Jul 1629
Elizabeth baptized 1 Dec 1630
Thomas Tarrant (the younger)
Thomas baptized 20 Jul 1627
Susan baptized 1 Dec 1629
Bridget baptized 20 Mar 1631
Thomas the younger and Elizabeth Tarrant
William baptized 20 Jan 1634
William baptized 24 Aug 1647
Edward (buried 16 Jun 1662) and Anne Tarrant
Elizabeth baptized 21 Aug 1642
Margaret baptized 5 Feb 1643
Edward and Elizabeth Tarrant
Edward baptized 1 Jan 1644
Mary baptized 1 Sep 1647
William (buried 21 Jul 1682) and Alice (buried 26 May 1674) Tarrant
William baptized 17 Nov 1658
John baptized 31 Dec 1660; buried 11 Aug 1674
Margarett baptized 15 Oct 1665
Bettoris baptized 14 Jan 1667
Edmund baptized 16 Oct 1670; buried 24 Jun 1674
Benjamin baptized 16 Jun 1673
Thomas and Rose Tarrant
Edward baptized 6 Nov 1659
Thomas and Kathryn Tarrant (junior)
Ralph baptized 22 Mar 1663
Beniamin baptized 27 Dec 1665
Thomas and Elizabeth Tarrant
Edward baptized 16 Oct 1673
William baptized 21 Jan 1676
William baptized 20 Oct 1678
Margaret baptized 15 Nov 1682
Ralph and Ellenor Tarrant
Ralph baptized 4 Jun 1676
Anne baptized 4 Apr 1678
Anne baptized 31 May 1680
James baptized 31 Jan 1681
Ellenor baptized 11 Sep 1684
Elizabeth baptized 17 Mar 1689
Edmund (buried 9 Dec 1702) and Ruth Tarrant
Edmund baptized 30 Jan 1676
Ruth baptized 23 Dec 1677
Elizabeth baptized 6 Jun 1680
Edmund baptized 29 Nov 1682
Mary baptized 11 Sep 1685
Thomas baptized 25 Nov 1686
Mary baptized 19 Jul 1689
Elizabeth baptized 20 Apr 1692
George (buried 15 Feb 1703) Tarrant and Alice (buried 11 Feb 1697) Sh_ married 13 Oct 1679
George baptized 2 Dec 1680
Thomas baptized 2 Sep 1683
Thomas baptized 1 Aug 1686
Alice baptized 3 Aug 1690
Ralph and Elizabeth (London) Tarrant
Elizabeth baptized 2 Aug 1691
William and Ann Tarrant
Ann baptized 10 Apr 1692
Ruth baptized 2 Oct 1694
William baptized 2 Feb 1696
James (buried 26 Jul 1715) Tarrant and Mary Durnford married 1 Mar 1702
Mary 10 May 1703
James baptized 14 Nov 1706
Edward and Mary Tarrant
Thomas baptized 11 Apr 1704
Mary baptized 15 Dec 1706
William baptized 3 Feb 1709
Edmund baptized 29 Jan 1712
George baptized 18 Aug 1717
Ralph and Patience (buried 4 May 1710) Tarrant
James baptized 5 Jun 1704
Mary baptized 5 Nov 1706
Sarah baptized 4 Sep 1709
James and Jane Tarrant
Sarah baptized 31 Oct 1727
Mary baptized 10 Oct 1729
Elizabeth baptized 10 Oct 1729
Jane baptized 29 Jan 1730
Martha baptized 27 Dec 1732
Thomas baptized 2 Mar 1737
James and Sarah Tarrant
Patience baptized 9 Nov 1735
Daniel and Sarah Tarrant
John baptized 14 Jun 1736
George Tarrant and Mary Kingston married 21 Nov 1738
Mary baptized 11 Feb 1738
William baptized 27 Nov 1740
Mary baptized 25 Sep 1743
Anne baptized 15 Nov 1745
William Tarrant and Anne Holloway married 9 Oct 1738
Mary baptized 25 Jun 1739
Anne baptized 2 Jun 1742
William baptized 12 Oct 1744
Thomas baptized 16 Jul 1749
Sapphira baptized 15 May 1753
Sarah baptized 25 Jun 1756
Charlotte baptized 11 Nov 1761
Joseph and Mary Tarrant
John baptized 5 Mar 1769
Sarah baptized 10 Nov 1771
Joannah baptized 26 Mar 1775
Mary Bartlett's father John was baptized 30 Jan 1736 at Burbage the son of John Bartlett and Mary Wilkins who were themselves married in 1735 at Burbage.There is a John Bartlet baptized at Edington (9 miles from Burbage) 14 Jul 1709 son of James and Jane Bartlet. This is likely the James Bartley who married Jane Scoetling at Edington 15 May 1704.
Children of James and Jane Bartlet baptized at Edington:
Edward baptized 20 Mar 1705
Robert baptized 18 Nov 1707
John baptized 14 Jul 1709
Jane baptized 9 Jul 1712
James baptized 27 May1714
Isaac baptized 14 Nov 1716
Richard baptized 27 May 1720
Thomas baptized 10 Mar 1722
There was also a John Bartlet baptized 5 Dec 1705 at Edington son of William junior and Mary. Both of these Bartlet families lived at Tinhead.
Children of William junior and Mary baptized at Edington:
William baptized 14 Nov 1699
John baptized 5 Dec 1705
At this point it isn't possible to determine which John Bartlet is the correct one.I could not find a Mary Wilkins baptized in this area.
Ancestry of Mary Bartlett:
1. Mary BARTLETT (b 13 Oct 1764) - Burbage Wiltshire England
2. John BARTLETT (b 30 Jan 1736) - Burbage Wiltshire England
3. John BARTLETT
Thursday, July 9, 2015
Blake Newsletter - Volume 4, Issue 3
Blake Newsletter
Table of Contents
1. Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk
2. Galway Blake family
3. Cornwall Blake Family
4. Blake yDNA study
Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk
I was sent a rather interesting five page document on the Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk, England which had been prepared by a researcher for another member of a society to which I belong. She decided to pass it on to me for my use. I entered all the material into Legacy checking against Family Search records, Find My Past and Ancestry since I do not live in Suffolk and could not check the Record Office. I did check the information online at the Record Office. Once completed I extracted a text file of the descendants of the furtherest back Blake member and put that into my blog noting that an earlier research had done the work but unable to name the earlier researcher:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2015/07/a-suffolk-blake-family-at-bacton.html
Galway Blake Family
I completed the project of extracting all the information from Michael Joseph Blake’s two volume set on the Blake Family of Ireland from 1300 to 1600 and 1600 to 1900. His genealogical tabulated information was extensive and he also included many many early documents that he held the originals plus he also went into the Court House in Dublin and extracted information as needed. What a most fortunate publication for the Blake family in Ireland as the Dublin Fire of 1922 destroyed many of the early records of Ireland. I have now extracted the census information for the Blake families in Ireland and will also begin to extract the CMB information that has now come online. Eventually I plan to produce a gedcom which I will put up on WorldConnect.
Cornwall Blake Family
The work on the Cornwall Blake family continues and I am working on the parishes that are 25 miles from Bodmin. When these are complete there will just be a couple of dozen parishes left in Cornwall with Blake records. I am about one third of the way through those parishes. I am able to see Blake families for a number of generations emerging as I extract the material. I want to do the census for all Blakes in Cornwall and work that into the parish registers before I actually publish any of the information so suspect it will be the end of the year or into next year before that happens.
Blake yDNA Study
There are 94 members although only 52 members have yDNA results for the Blake yDNA study at FT DNA. Other members have joined with their Family Finder results and some of these members do have matches in Family Finder. This is a way in which women with the Blake surname can participate in the study if they are unable to find a Blake in their line to test. Most members of the study trace their Blake ancestry back to the British Isles but there are three members who trace their lines back to Germany. More members in the study are most welcome and absolutely essential to learn more about the founding lines of the Blake family
Elizabeth Kipp, kippeeb@rogers.com
Please send any submissions for the Blake Newsletter to this address.
Table of Contents
1. Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk
2. Galway Blake family
3. Cornwall Blake Family
4. Blake yDNA study
Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk
I was sent a rather interesting five page document on the Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk, England which had been prepared by a researcher for another member of a society to which I belong. She decided to pass it on to me for my use. I entered all the material into Legacy checking against Family Search records, Find My Past and Ancestry since I do not live in Suffolk and could not check the Record Office. I did check the information online at the Record Office. Once completed I extracted a text file of the descendants of the furtherest back Blake member and put that into my blog noting that an earlier research had done the work but unable to name the earlier researcher:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2015/07/a-suffolk-blake-family-at-bacton.html
Galway Blake Family
I completed the project of extracting all the information from Michael Joseph Blake’s two volume set on the Blake Family of Ireland from 1300 to 1600 and 1600 to 1900. His genealogical tabulated information was extensive and he also included many many early documents that he held the originals plus he also went into the Court House in Dublin and extracted information as needed. What a most fortunate publication for the Blake family in Ireland as the Dublin Fire of 1922 destroyed many of the early records of Ireland. I have now extracted the census information for the Blake families in Ireland and will also begin to extract the CMB information that has now come online. Eventually I plan to produce a gedcom which I will put up on WorldConnect.
Cornwall Blake Family
The work on the Cornwall Blake family continues and I am working on the parishes that are 25 miles from Bodmin. When these are complete there will just be a couple of dozen parishes left in Cornwall with Blake records. I am about one third of the way through those parishes. I am able to see Blake families for a number of generations emerging as I extract the material. I want to do the census for all Blakes in Cornwall and work that into the parish registers before I actually publish any of the information so suspect it will be the end of the year or into next year before that happens.
Blake yDNA Study
There are 94 members although only 52 members have yDNA results for the Blake yDNA study at FT DNA. Other members have joined with their Family Finder results and some of these members do have matches in Family Finder. This is a way in which women with the Blake surname can participate in the study if they are unable to find a Blake in their line to test. Most members of the study trace their Blake ancestry back to the British Isles but there are three members who trace their lines back to Germany. More members in the study are most welcome and absolutely essential to learn more about the founding lines of the Blake family
Elizabeth Kipp, kippeeb@rogers.com
Please send any submissions for the Blake Newsletter to this address.
Wednesday, July 8, 2015
Blake Newsletter is late
Life has been incredibly busy and must apologize to any readers of the Blake Newsletter. I hope to have it up by the weekend.
Monday, July 6, 2015
Pincombe-Pinkham one name study
I spotted one of my correspondents on the Pincombe-Pinkham one name study from the early days when I first took on the study. He sent me his material on his Pincombe line out of Devon and living in London since the 1700s. He has tested his autosomal DNA but we do not match. However our link would be quite distant so not surprising.
But that conversation reminded me that I had not written up a rather interesting DNA story dealing with the Pincombe family of Australia. My fifth cousin (descendant of the brother of my 3x great grandfather Robert, William) tested his yDNA years ago but has never joined my Pincombe one name study at FT DNA but he did put his results up on ySearch which is where I found them. About six months ago I received an email from a researcher who lives in Sweden and can trace his family line back to the early 1700s and he wrote asking if a Pincombe had ever gone to Sweden from Devon of whom I was aware as he was matching my fifth cousin in Australia. His furtherest back ancestor was named as if the "son of Peter" and that rather twinked a memory. Peter Pincombe was a son of William Pincombe who left his will in 1602 (probated in 1605) where he mentions his son Simon as having been in "foreign parts" at the time of the writing of the will. He also had a son Peter. Indeed he had seven sons and I am descendant of the fourth son Richard. William lived at East Buckland and his father Thomas had also lived at East Buckland and earlier at Filleigh. These places all being quite close to North Molton in Devon. It is known from the Visitation of Devon that unknown Pincombe came to North Devon around 1485 with Lord Zouch. Lord Zouch had been attainted for supporting Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth Field and I have rather hypothesized that unknown Pincombe had been some sort of retainer/supporter of Lord Zouch and they had all disappeared in the wilds of Devon Exmoor to escape the wrath of the Tudor King Henry VII! No support for that theory except that they are there.
Thomas Pencombe and Johanne (unknown) had three sons William, Richard and John and two daughters Alice married to John Locke one unnamed but married to John Jasse/Jesse. This Thomas is listed in the visitation as a son of the unknown Pincombe along with a brother John and an unknown brother. They also had a sister Margret who married Phillip Kingdon. The unknown brother is possibly William Pincombe who was buried 13 Sep 1564 at North Molton (married to Elizabeth who was buried 18 Feb 1653 at North Molton) and the father of Agnes, Mary and William. More information on this line but it descends through George Pincombe who lived at North Molton.
So a rather interesting story of a Pincombe line in Sweden which we are looking at and more to follow. Would love to have more Pincombe/Pinkham males test to prove this connection!
But that conversation reminded me that I had not written up a rather interesting DNA story dealing with the Pincombe family of Australia. My fifth cousin (descendant of the brother of my 3x great grandfather Robert, William) tested his yDNA years ago but has never joined my Pincombe one name study at FT DNA but he did put his results up on ySearch which is where I found them. About six months ago I received an email from a researcher who lives in Sweden and can trace his family line back to the early 1700s and he wrote asking if a Pincombe had ever gone to Sweden from Devon of whom I was aware as he was matching my fifth cousin in Australia. His furtherest back ancestor was named as if the "son of Peter" and that rather twinked a memory. Peter Pincombe was a son of William Pincombe who left his will in 1602 (probated in 1605) where he mentions his son Simon as having been in "foreign parts" at the time of the writing of the will. He also had a son Peter. Indeed he had seven sons and I am descendant of the fourth son Richard. William lived at East Buckland and his father Thomas had also lived at East Buckland and earlier at Filleigh. These places all being quite close to North Molton in Devon. It is known from the Visitation of Devon that unknown Pincombe came to North Devon around 1485 with Lord Zouch. Lord Zouch had been attainted for supporting Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth Field and I have rather hypothesized that unknown Pincombe had been some sort of retainer/supporter of Lord Zouch and they had all disappeared in the wilds of Devon Exmoor to escape the wrath of the Tudor King Henry VII! No support for that theory except that they are there.
Thomas Pencombe and Johanne (unknown) had three sons William, Richard and John and two daughters Alice married to John Locke one unnamed but married to John Jasse/Jesse. This Thomas is listed in the visitation as a son of the unknown Pincombe along with a brother John and an unknown brother. They also had a sister Margret who married Phillip Kingdon. The unknown brother is possibly William Pincombe who was buried 13 Sep 1564 at North Molton (married to Elizabeth who was buried 18 Feb 1653 at North Molton) and the father of Agnes, Mary and William. More information on this line but it descends through George Pincombe who lived at North Molton.
So a rather interesting story of a Pincombe line in Sweden which we are looking at and more to follow. Would love to have more Pincombe/Pinkham males test to prove this connection!
Saturday, July 4, 2015
Charles Cotterill (1767 - 1810)
52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 27
Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton,
Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown),
Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham,
unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown
Charles Cotterell is possibly one of my 4x great grandfathers (I decided to do this next set of seven "ancestors" just because it appears to fit into the father's line for my paternal grandmother (her mother is known but the father can only be guessed at). Kimpton is a very small village in Hampshire not far from Upper Clatford and Andover.
Charles married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough, Wiltshire. Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767 at Beechingstoke son of William Cotterell and Elizabeth Kempton who were themselves married 3 May 1760 at Wilsford near Pewsey. Elizabeth was baptized 27 Jun 1731 at Wilcot daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth Kempton. William father of Charles was buried 5 Jan 1770 at Beechingstoke.
William and Elizabeth baptized three children at Beechingstoke:
William was baptized 24 May 1761
Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767
Elizabeth was baptized 13 May 1770 and buried 6 Sep 1770 at Beechingstoke
Elizabeth Kempton married a second time to Robert Chandler 12 Jan 1773 at Beechingstoke. Charles would have been just six years old when his mother remarried and this family then appears at Woodborough where Elizabeth's second husband lives).
Charles Coterill married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough (location for Robert Chandler on the marriage registration). Charles their son was born 1786 at Woodborough according to the 1851 census. Charles, the father, is likely the Charles Cotterell buried at Fittleton 23 Sep 1810. The son Charles married Hannah Alderman 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton and they baptized two children at Kimpton:
William baptized 12 Jun 1825; married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton
Mary baptized 2 Jun 1829; married Henry Chandler June quarter 1854 at Kimpton
William Cotterill married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton and they had four children at Kimpton:
Jane born circa 1854, married Francis Ford mar quarter 1879 at Mere
Ann born circa 1855, married William Henry Fisher dec quarter 1878 Pewsey RD
George baptized 6 Mar 1859; married twice, first Ann Matthews 28 Jun 1879 at Kimpton and Fanny Somner Dec quarter 1887 at Thanet, Kent.
Ellen was born circa 1869
I did try to find a baptism for William Cotterell married to Elizabeth Kempton/Kimpton but will work on that again as well as the baptism for their grandson Charles. Interestingly the Cotterel family appears earlier in the Rawlings family as the eldest daughter of William Rawlins and Mary Ford married Stephen Cotterel 28 Jan 1764 at Enford. Woodford is only ten miles from Enford where the Rawlins family lived. Stephen was perhaps the son of William Cotterel and baptized 8 Jan 1738 at Wilsford near Pewsey (2.5 miles from Woodford and 8 miles from Enford).I did consider that this could have been significant in the naming of my grandmother but I think 100 years later that is unlikely especially given that the Lywood surname of her maternal grandmother would have likely been chosen. More on the Lywood family in a couple of months.
Ancestry of Charles Cotterell:
1. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Charles COTTERILL (b circa 1786) - Woodborough Wiltshire England
3. Charles COTTERELL (b 19 Jul 1767) - Beechingstoke Wiltshire England
4. William COTTERELL
Charles Cotterell is possibly one of my 4x great grandfathers (I decided to do this next set of seven "ancestors" just because it appears to fit into the father's line for my paternal grandmother (her mother is known but the father can only be guessed at). Kimpton is a very small village in Hampshire not far from Upper Clatford and Andover.
Charles married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough, Wiltshire. Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767 at Beechingstoke son of William Cotterell and Elizabeth Kempton who were themselves married 3 May 1760 at Wilsford near Pewsey. Elizabeth was baptized 27 Jun 1731 at Wilcot daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth Kempton. William father of Charles was buried 5 Jan 1770 at Beechingstoke.
William and Elizabeth baptized three children at Beechingstoke:
William was baptized 24 May 1761
Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767
Elizabeth was baptized 13 May 1770 and buried 6 Sep 1770 at Beechingstoke
Elizabeth Kempton married a second time to Robert Chandler 12 Jan 1773 at Beechingstoke. Charles would have been just six years old when his mother remarried and this family then appears at Woodborough where Elizabeth's second husband lives).
Charles Coterill married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough (location for Robert Chandler on the marriage registration). Charles their son was born 1786 at Woodborough according to the 1851 census. Charles, the father, is likely the Charles Cotterell buried at Fittleton 23 Sep 1810. The son Charles married Hannah Alderman 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton and they baptized two children at Kimpton:
William baptized 12 Jun 1825; married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton
Mary baptized 2 Jun 1829; married Henry Chandler June quarter 1854 at Kimpton
William Cotterill married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton and they had four children at Kimpton:
Jane born circa 1854, married Francis Ford mar quarter 1879 at Mere
Ann born circa 1855, married William Henry Fisher dec quarter 1878 Pewsey RD
George baptized 6 Mar 1859; married twice, first Ann Matthews 28 Jun 1879 at Kimpton and Fanny Somner Dec quarter 1887 at Thanet, Kent.
Ellen was born circa 1869
I did try to find a baptism for William Cotterell married to Elizabeth Kempton/Kimpton but will work on that again as well as the baptism for their grandson Charles. Interestingly the Cotterel family appears earlier in the Rawlings family as the eldest daughter of William Rawlins and Mary Ford married Stephen Cotterel 28 Jan 1764 at Enford. Woodford is only ten miles from Enford where the Rawlins family lived. Stephen was perhaps the son of William Cotterel and baptized 8 Jan 1738 at Wilsford near Pewsey (2.5 miles from Woodford and 8 miles from Enford).I did consider that this could have been significant in the naming of my grandmother but I think 100 years later that is unlikely especially given that the Lywood surname of her maternal grandmother would have likely been chosen. More on the Lywood family in a couple of months.
Ancestry of Charles Cotterell:
1. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Charles COTTERILL (b circa 1786) - Woodborough Wiltshire England
3. Charles COTTERELL (b 19 Jul 1767) - Beechingstoke Wiltshire England
4. William COTTERELL
Ten most popular posts of all time on my blog
The ten most popular posts on my blog which commenced in November 2008. John Reid gave me the thought to do that as a blog post when I checked out Anglo-Celtic Roots this morning. The first post below is actually a list of the ten most popular posts at that time of writing almost a year and a half ago. The list at that time showed that most people were looking at my Blake blogs but these blogs listed below are principally material items. Lists of items that I have extracted from various documents that I hold plus one rather long story on the Rashleigh family of Devon and Cornwall. The H11 item gets viewed a lot because I have a search tool built into my H11 haplogroup study that will capture that particular article everytime someone looks at my H11 information and follows the search. The two wills at the bottom are interesting. Johanne Pencombe's will was always a very used item which means that people researching Pincombe/Pinkham are looking at my blog. The other Blake will amongst hundreds of others that I have transcribed (and I will be getting back to that!) is a mystery as to why it gets looked at so often. But I suspect it is because there is a family tree on World Connect and it was a large family where some members went to Australia. The greatest percentage of Blake individuals per million in any country live in Australia.
My next blog on the Pincombe family will be very very interesting. I have come to some rather interesting thoughts with regard to my mother's family which stretches back to 1485 at North Molton, Devon but they came there from somewhere else with Lord de la Zouch and I think I may have found that somewhere else with rather a twist to it. More to come on that particular story and it involves a yDNA match between my 5th cousin in Australia and an individual who lives in Scandinavia and can trace his line there back into the 1700s thus far but doesn't think his line is early Scandinavian.
1.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/100000-page-views-26th-february-2014.html
Feb 26, 2014 Viewed: 1303 times
2.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/05/welch-at-rugeley-staffordshire-and.html
May 24, 2011 Viewed: 977 times
3.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2010/01/siderfin-family.html
Jan 20, 2010 Viewed 465 times
4.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/08/visitation-of-devon-1564-1620-and-1620.html
Aug 31, 2011 Viewed 407 times
5.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2013/11/h11-haplogroup.html
Nov 5, 2013 Vied 403 times
6.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/08/rashleigh-family-of-devon-and-cornwall.html
Aug 14, 2011 Viewed 394 times
7.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/10/transcription-of-old-middle-and-modern.html
Oct 30, 2011 Viewed 348 times
8.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/09/continuing-to-work-away-on-north-molton.html
Sep 19, 2011 Viewed 338 times
9.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/05/will-of-john-blake-gentleman-of-portsea.html
May 9, 2012 Viewed 315 times
10.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/07/will-of-johanne-pencombe-widow-of-east.html
Jul 31, 2011 Viewed 234 times
My next blog on the Pincombe family will be very very interesting. I have come to some rather interesting thoughts with regard to my mother's family which stretches back to 1485 at North Molton, Devon but they came there from somewhere else with Lord de la Zouch and I think I may have found that somewhere else with rather a twist to it. More to come on that particular story and it involves a yDNA match between my 5th cousin in Australia and an individual who lives in Scandinavia and can trace his line there back into the 1700s thus far but doesn't think his line is early Scandinavian.
1.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/100000-page-views-26th-february-2014.html
Feb 26, 2014 Viewed: 1303 times
2.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/05/welch-at-rugeley-staffordshire-and.html
May 24, 2011 Viewed: 977 times
3.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2010/01/siderfin-family.html
Jan 20, 2010 Viewed 465 times
4.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/08/visitation-of-devon-1564-1620-and-1620.html
Aug 31, 2011 Viewed 407 times
5.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2013/11/h11-haplogroup.html
Nov 5, 2013 Vied 403 times
6.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/08/rashleigh-family-of-devon-and-cornwall.html
Aug 14, 2011 Viewed 394 times
7.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/10/transcription-of-old-middle-and-modern.html
Oct 30, 2011 Viewed 348 times
8.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/09/continuing-to-work-away-on-north-molton.html
Sep 19, 2011 Viewed 338 times
9.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/05/will-of-john-blake-gentleman-of-portsea.html
May 9, 2012 Viewed 315 times
10.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/07/will-of-johanne-pencombe-widow-of-east.html
Jul 31, 2011 Viewed 234 times
Friday, July 3, 2015
A Blake Family at Bacton, Suffolk and environs
The Suffolk Blake Family caught my interest today and they lived around Bacton. I had received a five page history of this family back into the 1400s earlier from another Guild Member but had not done very much with it. Today was the day to enter all that information into Legacy and see what I could find on Find My Past whilst I was doing that. There was some information on Find My Past but the Suffolk Parish Registers have not yet come up on Find My Past or Family Search.
I do have some wills for Suffolk which I have not yet transcribed but the wills for this particular branch are at the Bury Record Office:
Walter Blake, Exning, Suffolk 28 Apr 1674
Christopher Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 1 Feb 1780
Francis Blake, Stanningfield, Suffolk, 29 Apr 1676
Andrew Blake, Witnessham, Suffolk, 8 Feb 1821
Sir James Henry Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 24 May 1832
Elizabeth Blake, Southwold, Suffolk, 9 Dec 1848
Sir Patrick Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 24 Jul 1784
Edward Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 31 Jan 1770
Sir Patrick Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 16 Jan 1819
Dame Mary Anne Blake, Great Barton, Suffolk, 12 Aug 1841
Dame Maria Charlotte Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 3 Jun 1823
The researcher who has extracted this information from the records did so at a time prior to computer research but the thoroughness of the research was such that I have not found anything contrary at this moment in time. Since the material was given to me to share with Blake family members I will insert the information which I extracted into this webpage. I do not know the name of the researcher to give him/her credit but suffice it to say that the only part of this that is my work is the style of display. I did check entries as mentioned where I could find the information.
I also mention the Calendar of Patent Rolls as there are entires for Suffolk. There is one entry for Suffolk and it is William Blak during the reign of Edward 1 (1272-1307). The Robert mentioned as the first generation would likely have been born around the mid 1300s. Interesting that I do find a member of the Blake family in Suffolk at this early date (29 Aug 1304).
Descendants of [Robert or other] Blake
First Generation
1. Blake [50] either this man was Robert Blake or the reference below refers to the son of this man and he was buried after 29 Nov 1414.
General Notes: Manorial records for Bacton manor survive back to 1413, and there are
Blake entries here, earliest mention is in a court dated 29 Nov 1414 when a
Robert Blake appears holding two pieces of land for a term of seven years
paying a yearly rent of 2d to the lord of the manor.
His children were perhaps (John not mentioned in the Court roll of 1424):
+ 2 M i. John Blake [48] was buried before 14 Jan 1431.
3 M ii. Robert Blake [76].
General Notes: Court roll for the time of Henry VI 1422-1461 (HA 119;
50/3/143). Court held 21 Apr 1424 record the death of a Robert Blake who held
one and a half acres being part of Athelard's tenement; 28 perches and one
cottage being part of Carter's tenement and that Alice Blake the widow of the
said Robert should hold these for her life and that then these should be sold
by John Sparhawke and John Olive and the money thus arising to be used in deeds
of charity to benefit the souls of Robert and Alice Blake.
Robert married Alice [77] [MRIN: 23].
Second Generation (Children)
2. John Blake [48] was buried before 14 Jan 1431.
General Notes: In a court held of 21 Sep 1436 there is a long and complex entry
dealing with the Blake family. Basically, the Bishop of Norwich had to make a
ruling on inheritance. John Blake had died by 1434 and that he had had two sons
Richard Blake who was of full age at the time of his father's death and
Nicholas Blake who was not of full age at the time of his father's death but by
1436 was of full age. The brothers were obviously in dispute over their
inheritance and the Bishop ruled in favour of Richard Blake as his father's
next heir and so Richard Blake was admitted to one acre and one messuage of
lands in Bacton. This case had obviously been simmering for some time. In a
court held 14 Jan 1431 in the Court Leet section, Nicholas Blake had paid the
lord a fine for a search to be made in the court rolls for the manor concerning
the title to three acres of copyhold land in Bacton held of the lord of the
manor of Bacton and late in the possession of John Blake deceased.
His children were:
+ 4 M i. Richard Blake [47] was born By 1411.
5 M ii. Nicholas Blake [49] was born by 1415.
Third Generation (Grandchildren)
4. Richard Blake [47] was born By 1411.
His child was:
+ 6 M i. John Blake [45].
Fourth Generation (Great-Grandchildren)
6. John Blake [45].
General Notes: Court held for the manor of Bacton on 16 Apr 1451 has the
admission of John Blake of Cotton to one acre of Eliot's tenement in Bacton and
that the said John Blake of Cotton owing suit to this court through the right
of his father Richard Blake a copyhold tenant of this manor is admitted tenant
to the foresaid land.
John married Agnes [46] [MRIN: 13].
Children from this marriage were:
+ 7 M i. Robert Blake [43] was buried on 10 Nov 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk,
England.
+ 8 M ii. John Blake [70].
Fifth Generation (Great Great-Grandchildren)
7. Robert Blake [43] was buried on 10 Nov 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Robert Blake left a will which is at Bury Record Office, will
made 28 Aug 1557, at which time Andrew his son was still alive. Also alive at
the time of the will was Robert Blake's wife Eleanor.
Robert married Eleanor [44] [MRIN: 12].
The child from this marriage was:
+ 9 M i. Andrew Blake [39] was buried on 11 Oct 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk,
England.
8. John Blake [70].
General Notes: Of Eye, Suffolk
Court Roll 1510 - 1530 (ha 119/t99/114)
Also mention of John Blake, son of John Blake and his wife Agnes, who
surrendered two acres of land being part of Tyrrellys tenement and half an acre
of pasture being part of Elyotts tenement all being copyhold land lying in
Bacton to the use of Robert Blake of Cotton (Court 12 Jul 1520). Further
mention of John Blake son of John Blake and Agnes had died seized of lands in
Tyrrells and Eliotts tenements, and that John Blake is his son and heir and is
of full age and is admitted to these lands.
His child was:
+ 10 M i. John Blake [65].
Sixth Generation (3rd Great-Grandchildren)
9. Andrew Blake [39] was buried on 11 Oct 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Court Roll for the manor of Bacton was held 11 Oct 1560 which
records the entry for Andrew Blake's death and that Elizabeth Blake, widow, was
admitted to certain copyhold lands held by Andrew Blake as their son John Blake
was the heir and only aged seven and so his mother was admitted to the lands
during his minority.
Andrew as a son of Robert is also established in the court rolls for Bacton
manor, in an entry subsequent to the entry already referred to which records
the death of Robert Blake and that John Blake, son of Andrew Blake son of the
said Robert Blake, was his heir and that as the aforesaid John was a minor of
seven years Elizabeth Blake, widow and mother, of the said John was to be
admitted to the copyhold lands held by the said Robert Blake. Manorial Court
Roll for Bacton Manor 1559-1570, HA 119/T99/53; court held 10 Nov 1560
Andrew married Elizabeth Loft [40] [MRIN: 10] on 15 Nov 1542 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
11 F i. Agnes Blake [72] was christened on 1 Jul 1543 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 18 Jul 1543 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
12 F ii. Ann Blake [73] was christened on 1 Mar 1545 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England. Ann married Jeremy Shulward [75] [MRIN: 22] on 3 Feb 1571 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
13 F iii. Margaret Blake [74] was christened on 28 Jan 1548 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 23 Apr 1565 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 14 M iv. John Blake [37] was christened on 30 Aug 1553 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 6 Dec 1623 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
10. John Blake [65].
General Notes: John Blake senior
John married Joan Grange [69] [MRIN: 19], daughter of Hugh Grange [71], on
23 Sep 1554 in Cotton, Suffolk, England. Joan was buried on 30 May 1564
in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
15 F i. Alice Blake [66] was christened on 4 Aug 1555 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
16 F ii. Margaret Blake [67] was christened on 3 Aug 1560 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
17 F iii. Agnes Blake [68] was christened on 5 Dec 1563 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
Seventh Generation (4th Great-Grandchildren)
14. John Blake [37] was christened on 30 Aug 1553 in Cotton, Suffolk, England
and was buried on 6 Dec 1623 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: John junior at baptism of Robert
A will of John Blake of Cotton in 1623 proves to be the will of the John Blake
married to Margaret and father of Andrew, Francis, etc.
His will is in the Bury branch of the Record Office. It is a long will with
much information contained therein proving that the family held land of Cotton
Hempnalls manor, and also lands in Bacton. John Blake's wife Margaret was still
alive at the time of John's will but the only burial for a Margaret Blake in
Cotton is in 1675 (too late for this Margaret).
John married Margaret Dunch [38] [MRIN: 9], daughter of Andrew Dunch [41] and
Joane [42], on 10 Jul 1580 in Cotton, Suffolk, England. Margaret died
after 6 Dec 1623.
Children from this marriage were:
18 M i. Robert Blake [61] was christened on 26 Nov 1581 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
19 F ii. Jane Blake [62] was christened on 26 Dec 1583 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
20 M iii. John Blake [63] was christened on 20 Oct 1588 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 23 Jan 1588 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
21 M iv. John Blake [64] was christened on 8 Feb 1589 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
+ 22 M v. Andrew Blake [30] was christened on 10 Jun 1596 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 14 Mar 1660 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 23 M vi. Francis Blake [52] was christened on 3 Jun 1599 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 2 May 1660 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 24 M vii. Thomas Blake [51] was christened on 13 Jan 1602 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
Eighth Generation (5th Great-Grandchildren)
22. Andrew Blake [30] was christened on 10 Jun 1596 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 14 Mar 1660 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
Andrew married Frances Walker [31] [MRIN: 7], daughter of Thomas Walker [35]
and Elizabeth Baldine [36], on 22 May 1624 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
Frances was christened in 1599.
Children from this marriage were:
25 M i. John Blake [32] was christened on 17 Mar 1627 in Bacton, Suffolk,
England and was buried in 1687.
+ 26 M ii. Andrew Blake [11] was christened on 26 Dec 1630 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England and was buried on 22 Jan 1682 in
Cotton, Suffolk, England.
27 F iii. Elizabeth Blake [34] was christened on 9 Apr 1635 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried in 1657.
28 M iv. William Blake [33] was christened on 3 Nov 1639 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
23. Francis Blake [52] was christened on 3 Jun 1599 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 2 May 1660 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Admon and Inventory at Bury Record Office
Francis married Joan Marriot or Marret [54] [MRIN: 17] on 24 Jun 1624 in
Cotton, Suffolk, England.
The child from this marriage was:
29 M i. Francis Blake [53] was christened on 21 Sep 1625 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
24. Thomas Blake [51] was christened on 13 Jan 1602 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
Thomas married Elizabeth [55] [MRIN: 18].
Children from this marriage were:
30 F i. Elizabeth Blake [56] was christened on 23 Nov 1633 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England.
31 F ii. Jane Blake [57] was christened on 24 Feb 1634 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
32 F iii. Margaret Blake [58] was christened on 19 May 1639 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England.
33 M iv. John Blake [59] was christened in 1642 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
34 F v. Mary Blake [60] was christened on 1 Nov 1646 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
Ninth Generation (6th Great-Grandchildren)
26. Andrew Blake [11] was christened on 26 Dec 1630 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 22 Jan 1682 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
General Notes: Assessed in the 1674 Hearth Tax on two hearths in Cotton
Andrew married Mary Rodwell [12] [MRIN: 3] in 1660 in Badwell Ash, Suffolk,
England.
Children from this marriage were:
35 F i. Mary Blake [13] was christened on 7 Apr 1661 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
36 F ii. Ann Blake [14] was christened on 4 Jan 1662 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
37 M iii. William Blake [15] was christened on 9 Sep 1665 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 38 M iv. Andrew Blake [3] was christened on 23 Feb 1667 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
39 F v. Elizabeth Blake [16] was christened on 10 Apr 1670 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
40 F vi. Frances Blake [17] was christened on 7 Sep 1673 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 41 M vii. Richard Blake [18] was christened on 7 Apr 1678 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
42 M viii. Thomas Blake [19] was christened on 5 Nov 1682 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 12 Feb 1684 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
Tenth Generation (7th Great-Grandchildren)
38. Andrew Blake [3] was christened on 23 Feb 1667 in Westhorpe, Suffolk,
England.
General Notes: Farmer at baptism of Elizabeth
Andrew married Elizabeth Hunt [4] [MRIN: 2] on 6 Oct 1696 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
Children from this marriage were:
43 M i. John Blake [7] was christened on 15 Jan 1698 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
44 F ii. Elizabeth Blake [5] was christened on 14 Mar 1700 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England and was buried on 8 Apr 1701 in
Cotton, Suffolk, England.
45 F iii. Elizabeth Blake [6] was christened on 21 May 1702 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England.
46 M iv. Andrew Blake [8] was christened on 1 May 1704 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
47 F v. Mary Blake [9] was christened on 22 Mar 1705 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
+ 48 M vi. Robert Blake [1] was christened on 30 Dec 1707 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 19 Jun 1777 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
49 M vii. Thomas Blake [10] was christened on 18 Jan 1709 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 23 Jan 1709 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
41. Richard Blake [18] was christened on 7 Apr 1678 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
General Notes: Of Westhorpe at marriage to Anne Rose
Labourer at Children's baptisms
Richard married Anne Rose [20] [MRIN: 4] on 12 Oct 1702 in Wyverstone,
Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
50 F i. Sarah Blake [21] was christened on 19 May 1704 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
51 F ii. Ann Blake [22] was christened on 20 Dec 1705 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
52 M iii. Richard Blake [23] was christened on 26 Mar 1710 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
53 F iv. Mary Blake [24] was christened on 31 Jan 1713 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
11th Generation (8th Great-Grandchildren)
48. Robert Blake [1] was christened on 30 Dec 1707 in Cotton, Suffolk, England
and was buried on 19 Jun 1777 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Of Bacton at Marriage to Susan Crosby
Robert married Susan Crosby [2] [MRIN: 1] on 10 Nov 1725 in Beccles, Suffolk,
England. Susan was born in Bacton, Suffolk, England and was buried on 26
Aug 1767 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
54 M i. Robert Blake [80] was christened on 8 Dec 1727 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
Robert married Diana [82] [MRIN: 24].
55 M ii. John Blake [81] was born in 1729.
John married Sarah [88] [MRIN: 26].
56 F iii. Susannah Blake [78] was christened in Jan 1730 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
57 M iv. William Blake [79] was christened on 14 Jun 1734 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 15 Dec 1822 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
William married Mary Roper [97] [MRIN: 28] in 1762 in Wyverstone,
Suffolk, England.
William next married Mary Lummis [101] [MRIN: 29] on 10 Jun 1771.
I did continue following this family but really need access to Bacton/Cotton parish registers and that is not going to happen any too soon likely! There is also a matter of time to do that.
I do have some wills for Suffolk which I have not yet transcribed but the wills for this particular branch are at the Bury Record Office:
Walter Blake, Exning, Suffolk 28 Apr 1674
Christopher Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 1 Feb 1780
Francis Blake, Stanningfield, Suffolk, 29 Apr 1676
Andrew Blake, Witnessham, Suffolk, 8 Feb 1821
Sir James Henry Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 24 May 1832
Elizabeth Blake, Southwold, Suffolk, 9 Dec 1848
Sir Patrick Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 24 Jul 1784
Edward Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 31 Jan 1770
Sir Patrick Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 16 Jan 1819
Dame Mary Anne Blake, Great Barton, Suffolk, 12 Aug 1841
Dame Maria Charlotte Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 3 Jun 1823
The researcher who has extracted this information from the records did so at a time prior to computer research but the thoroughness of the research was such that I have not found anything contrary at this moment in time. Since the material was given to me to share with Blake family members I will insert the information which I extracted into this webpage. I do not know the name of the researcher to give him/her credit but suffice it to say that the only part of this that is my work is the style of display. I did check entries as mentioned where I could find the information.
I also mention the Calendar of Patent Rolls as there are entires for Suffolk. There is one entry for Suffolk and it is William Blak during the reign of Edward 1 (1272-1307). The Robert mentioned as the first generation would likely have been born around the mid 1300s. Interesting that I do find a member of the Blake family in Suffolk at this early date (29 Aug 1304).
Descendants of [Robert or other] Blake
First Generation
1. Blake [50] either this man was Robert Blake or the reference below refers to the son of this man and he was buried after 29 Nov 1414.
General Notes: Manorial records for Bacton manor survive back to 1413, and there are
Blake entries here, earliest mention is in a court dated 29 Nov 1414 when a
Robert Blake appears holding two pieces of land for a term of seven years
paying a yearly rent of 2d to the lord of the manor.
His children were perhaps (John not mentioned in the Court roll of 1424):
+ 2 M i. John Blake [48] was buried before 14 Jan 1431.
3 M ii. Robert Blake [76].
General Notes: Court roll for the time of Henry VI 1422-1461 (HA 119;
50/3/143). Court held 21 Apr 1424 record the death of a Robert Blake who held
one and a half acres being part of Athelard's tenement; 28 perches and one
cottage being part of Carter's tenement and that Alice Blake the widow of the
said Robert should hold these for her life and that then these should be sold
by John Sparhawke and John Olive and the money thus arising to be used in deeds
of charity to benefit the souls of Robert and Alice Blake.
Robert married Alice [77] [MRIN: 23].
Second Generation (Children)
2. John Blake [48] was buried before 14 Jan 1431.
General Notes: In a court held of 21 Sep 1436 there is a long and complex entry
dealing with the Blake family. Basically, the Bishop of Norwich had to make a
ruling on inheritance. John Blake had died by 1434 and that he had had two sons
Richard Blake who was of full age at the time of his father's death and
Nicholas Blake who was not of full age at the time of his father's death but by
1436 was of full age. The brothers were obviously in dispute over their
inheritance and the Bishop ruled in favour of Richard Blake as his father's
next heir and so Richard Blake was admitted to one acre and one messuage of
lands in Bacton. This case had obviously been simmering for some time. In a
court held 14 Jan 1431 in the Court Leet section, Nicholas Blake had paid the
lord a fine for a search to be made in the court rolls for the manor concerning
the title to three acres of copyhold land in Bacton held of the lord of the
manor of Bacton and late in the possession of John Blake deceased.
His children were:
+ 4 M i. Richard Blake [47] was born By 1411.
5 M ii. Nicholas Blake [49] was born by 1415.
Third Generation (Grandchildren)
4. Richard Blake [47] was born By 1411.
His child was:
+ 6 M i. John Blake [45].
Fourth Generation (Great-Grandchildren)
6. John Blake [45].
General Notes: Court held for the manor of Bacton on 16 Apr 1451 has the
admission of John Blake of Cotton to one acre of Eliot's tenement in Bacton and
that the said John Blake of Cotton owing suit to this court through the right
of his father Richard Blake a copyhold tenant of this manor is admitted tenant
to the foresaid land.
John married Agnes [46] [MRIN: 13].
Children from this marriage were:
+ 7 M i. Robert Blake [43] was buried on 10 Nov 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk,
England.
+ 8 M ii. John Blake [70].
Fifth Generation (Great Great-Grandchildren)
7. Robert Blake [43] was buried on 10 Nov 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Robert Blake left a will which is at Bury Record Office, will
made 28 Aug 1557, at which time Andrew his son was still alive. Also alive at
the time of the will was Robert Blake's wife Eleanor.
Robert married Eleanor [44] [MRIN: 12].
The child from this marriage was:
+ 9 M i. Andrew Blake [39] was buried on 11 Oct 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk,
England.
8. John Blake [70].
General Notes: Of Eye, Suffolk
Court Roll 1510 - 1530 (ha 119/t99/114)
Also mention of John Blake, son of John Blake and his wife Agnes, who
surrendered two acres of land being part of Tyrrellys tenement and half an acre
of pasture being part of Elyotts tenement all being copyhold land lying in
Bacton to the use of Robert Blake of Cotton (Court 12 Jul 1520). Further
mention of John Blake son of John Blake and Agnes had died seized of lands in
Tyrrells and Eliotts tenements, and that John Blake is his son and heir and is
of full age and is admitted to these lands.
His child was:
+ 10 M i. John Blake [65].
Sixth Generation (3rd Great-Grandchildren)
9. Andrew Blake [39] was buried on 11 Oct 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Court Roll for the manor of Bacton was held 11 Oct 1560 which
records the entry for Andrew Blake's death and that Elizabeth Blake, widow, was
admitted to certain copyhold lands held by Andrew Blake as their son John Blake
was the heir and only aged seven and so his mother was admitted to the lands
during his minority.
Andrew as a son of Robert is also established in the court rolls for Bacton
manor, in an entry subsequent to the entry already referred to which records
the death of Robert Blake and that John Blake, son of Andrew Blake son of the
said Robert Blake, was his heir and that as the aforesaid John was a minor of
seven years Elizabeth Blake, widow and mother, of the said John was to be
admitted to the copyhold lands held by the said Robert Blake. Manorial Court
Roll for Bacton Manor 1559-1570, HA 119/T99/53; court held 10 Nov 1560
Andrew married Elizabeth Loft [40] [MRIN: 10] on 15 Nov 1542 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
11 F i. Agnes Blake [72] was christened on 1 Jul 1543 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 18 Jul 1543 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
12 F ii. Ann Blake [73] was christened on 1 Mar 1545 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England. Ann married Jeremy Shulward [75] [MRIN: 22] on 3 Feb 1571 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
13 F iii. Margaret Blake [74] was christened on 28 Jan 1548 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 23 Apr 1565 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 14 M iv. John Blake [37] was christened on 30 Aug 1553 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 6 Dec 1623 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
10. John Blake [65].
General Notes: John Blake senior
John married Joan Grange [69] [MRIN: 19], daughter of Hugh Grange [71], on
23 Sep 1554 in Cotton, Suffolk, England. Joan was buried on 30 May 1564
in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
15 F i. Alice Blake [66] was christened on 4 Aug 1555 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
16 F ii. Margaret Blake [67] was christened on 3 Aug 1560 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
17 F iii. Agnes Blake [68] was christened on 5 Dec 1563 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
Seventh Generation (4th Great-Grandchildren)
14. John Blake [37] was christened on 30 Aug 1553 in Cotton, Suffolk, England
and was buried on 6 Dec 1623 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: John junior at baptism of Robert
A will of John Blake of Cotton in 1623 proves to be the will of the John Blake
married to Margaret and father of Andrew, Francis, etc.
His will is in the Bury branch of the Record Office. It is a long will with
much information contained therein proving that the family held land of Cotton
Hempnalls manor, and also lands in Bacton. John Blake's wife Margaret was still
alive at the time of John's will but the only burial for a Margaret Blake in
Cotton is in 1675 (too late for this Margaret).
John married Margaret Dunch [38] [MRIN: 9], daughter of Andrew Dunch [41] and
Joane [42], on 10 Jul 1580 in Cotton, Suffolk, England. Margaret died
after 6 Dec 1623.
Children from this marriage were:
18 M i. Robert Blake [61] was christened on 26 Nov 1581 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
19 F ii. Jane Blake [62] was christened on 26 Dec 1583 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
20 M iii. John Blake [63] was christened on 20 Oct 1588 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 23 Jan 1588 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
21 M iv. John Blake [64] was christened on 8 Feb 1589 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
+ 22 M v. Andrew Blake [30] was christened on 10 Jun 1596 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 14 Mar 1660 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 23 M vi. Francis Blake [52] was christened on 3 Jun 1599 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 2 May 1660 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 24 M vii. Thomas Blake [51] was christened on 13 Jan 1602 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
Eighth Generation (5th Great-Grandchildren)
22. Andrew Blake [30] was christened on 10 Jun 1596 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 14 Mar 1660 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
Andrew married Frances Walker [31] [MRIN: 7], daughter of Thomas Walker [35]
and Elizabeth Baldine [36], on 22 May 1624 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
Frances was christened in 1599.
Children from this marriage were:
25 M i. John Blake [32] was christened on 17 Mar 1627 in Bacton, Suffolk,
England and was buried in 1687.
+ 26 M ii. Andrew Blake [11] was christened on 26 Dec 1630 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England and was buried on 22 Jan 1682 in
Cotton, Suffolk, England.
27 F iii. Elizabeth Blake [34] was christened on 9 Apr 1635 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried in 1657.
28 M iv. William Blake [33] was christened on 3 Nov 1639 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
23. Francis Blake [52] was christened on 3 Jun 1599 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England and was buried on 2 May 1660 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Admon and Inventory at Bury Record Office
Francis married Joan Marriot or Marret [54] [MRIN: 17] on 24 Jun 1624 in
Cotton, Suffolk, England.
The child from this marriage was:
29 M i. Francis Blake [53] was christened on 21 Sep 1625 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
24. Thomas Blake [51] was christened on 13 Jan 1602 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
Thomas married Elizabeth [55] [MRIN: 18].
Children from this marriage were:
30 F i. Elizabeth Blake [56] was christened on 23 Nov 1633 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England.
31 F ii. Jane Blake [57] was christened on 24 Feb 1634 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
32 F iii. Margaret Blake [58] was christened on 19 May 1639 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England.
33 M iv. John Blake [59] was christened in 1642 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
34 F v. Mary Blake [60] was christened on 1 Nov 1646 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
Ninth Generation (6th Great-Grandchildren)
26. Andrew Blake [11] was christened on 26 Dec 1630 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 22 Jan 1682 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
General Notes: Assessed in the 1674 Hearth Tax on two hearths in Cotton
Andrew married Mary Rodwell [12] [MRIN: 3] in 1660 in Badwell Ash, Suffolk,
England.
Children from this marriage were:
35 F i. Mary Blake [13] was christened on 7 Apr 1661 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
36 F ii. Ann Blake [14] was christened on 4 Jan 1662 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
37 M iii. William Blake [15] was christened on 9 Sep 1665 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 38 M iv. Andrew Blake [3] was christened on 23 Feb 1667 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
39 F v. Elizabeth Blake [16] was christened on 10 Apr 1670 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
40 F vi. Frances Blake [17] was christened on 7 Sep 1673 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
+ 41 M vii. Richard Blake [18] was christened on 7 Apr 1678 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
42 M viii. Thomas Blake [19] was christened on 5 Nov 1682 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 12 Feb 1684 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
Tenth Generation (7th Great-Grandchildren)
38. Andrew Blake [3] was christened on 23 Feb 1667 in Westhorpe, Suffolk,
England.
General Notes: Farmer at baptism of Elizabeth
Andrew married Elizabeth Hunt [4] [MRIN: 2] on 6 Oct 1696 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
Children from this marriage were:
43 M i. John Blake [7] was christened on 15 Jan 1698 in Wickham Skeith,
Suffolk, England.
44 F ii. Elizabeth Blake [5] was christened on 14 Mar 1700 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England and was buried on 8 Apr 1701 in
Cotton, Suffolk, England.
45 F iii. Elizabeth Blake [6] was christened on 21 May 1702 in Wickham
Skeith, Suffolk, England.
46 M iv. Andrew Blake [8] was christened on 1 May 1704 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
47 F v. Mary Blake [9] was christened on 22 Mar 1705 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
+ 48 M vi. Robert Blake [1] was christened on 30 Dec 1707 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 19 Jun 1777 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
49 M vii. Thomas Blake [10] was christened on 18 Jan 1709 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 23 Jan 1709 in Cotton,
Suffolk, England.
41. Richard Blake [18] was christened on 7 Apr 1678 in Cotton, Suffolk,
England.
General Notes: Of Westhorpe at marriage to Anne Rose
Labourer at Children's baptisms
Richard married Anne Rose [20] [MRIN: 4] on 12 Oct 1702 in Wyverstone,
Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
50 F i. Sarah Blake [21] was christened on 19 May 1704 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
51 F ii. Ann Blake [22] was christened on 20 Dec 1705 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
52 M iii. Richard Blake [23] was christened on 26 Mar 1710 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
53 F iv. Mary Blake [24] was christened on 31 Jan 1713 in Westhorpe,
Suffolk, England.
11th Generation (8th Great-Grandchildren)
48. Robert Blake [1] was christened on 30 Dec 1707 in Cotton, Suffolk, England
and was buried on 19 Jun 1777 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
General Notes: Of Bacton at Marriage to Susan Crosby
Robert married Susan Crosby [2] [MRIN: 1] on 10 Nov 1725 in Beccles, Suffolk,
England. Susan was born in Bacton, Suffolk, England and was buried on 26
Aug 1767 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
Children from this marriage were:
54 M i. Robert Blake [80] was christened on 8 Dec 1727 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
Robert married Diana [82] [MRIN: 24].
55 M ii. John Blake [81] was born in 1729.
John married Sarah [88] [MRIN: 26].
56 F iii. Susannah Blake [78] was christened in Jan 1730 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
57 M iv. William Blake [79] was christened on 14 Jun 1734 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England and was buried on 15 Dec 1822 in Bacton,
Suffolk, England.
William married Mary Roper [97] [MRIN: 28] in 1762 in Wyverstone,
Suffolk, England.
William next married Mary Lummis [101] [MRIN: 29] on 10 Jun 1771.
I did continue following this family but really need access to Bacton/Cotton parish registers and that is not going to happen any too soon likely! There is also a matter of time to do that.