Blake yDNA study update

The Blake yDNA study is slowly growing and the latest addition is to one of the groups that has a history of being from Ireland. Barrie Blake has designated this group as Blake group H who descend from Richard Blake (aka Caddell) and if you also look at the group that I designate E1 - English ancestry (4) you can see that both groups belong to the same R1b1a2 haplogroup as does E2 - English ancestry (possible Somerset, England roots).

On the first twelve markers all nine members match each other  for DYS 393, DYS 390, DYS 19, DYS 385a, DYS 425, DYS 388, DYS 392 and differ on DYS 391, DYS 385b, DYS 439, DYS 389I, DYS 389II.

DYS 391 is either 10 or 11.
DYS 385b is either 14 or 15

DYS 439 is either 12, 13 or 14
DYS 389I is either13 or 14
DYS 389I is always 16 with one exception (E2)


Five individuals in nine have tested beyond 12 markers to 37 and 1 member has tested to 67 markers. Within the distinct groupings the differences between are minor and between the distinct groupings the differences are rather interesting .

The headings will remain as shown but I note there is this rather interesting similarity between the three groups one of which is distinctly English and one which is distinctly Irish. Is it likely that the Caddell family in England would have changed their name to Blake in England? I would love to find written information that proves the name change.

If you do a search on the surname "Cadel" there are 18 results in the Calendar of Patent Rolls. These entries begin with Henry III, volume 1, then Edward 1, volume 2 and volume 3, Edward III, volumes 10, 12, and 14 followed by Richard II volume 5 and Henry V , volume 2.

Henry III

1224 (page 438-9)


De mille et quadringentis marcis recipiendis in domo Novi Templi Londonie Rex omnibus ad quos presentes litteras pervenerint, salutem. Sciatis quod mille et quadringentas marcas, quas deposuimus in domo Templi Londonie,  et satisfieret inde H. comiti Marchie pronobis de tanta pecunia apud Parisius per manun fratris W. Kadel, magistri domus Templi citra montes, recepimus ab eadem domo Templi Londsonie, de quibus volumus magistrum et fratres domus predicte et ipsam domum esse quietos. Set si forte idem frater W. Kadel dictam pecuniam prefato comiti solverit pro nobis, sicut provisum fuit, nos eidem domui tenebimur ad solutionem tante pecunie. Et si idem frater W. Cadel ea non solverit, sicut predictum est, tunc abobligatione solutionis hujus pecunie omnino quieti sumus. In cujus etc. Teste rege, apud Westmonasterium, xx die Maii, anno etc. viij, coram justiciario et Bathoniensi et Sarresburiensi episcopis.

 Edward I (volume 2)


 1282 (page 34)

Letters for Roger le Bygod, earl of Norfolk and marshal of England going to Wales on the king's service, nominating William Cadel and Reginald Lyvet his attorneys in Ireland for one year.

Edward I (volume 3)

 1296 (page 181)

Request to Richard de Burgo, earl of Ulster, Geoffrey de Geynvill, John son of Thomas, Thomas son of Maurice, Theobald le Buttiller, Theobald de Verdun, Peter de Brymyngeham of Anery, Peter de Brymyngeham of Thetemoy, Eustace de Power, John de Power, Hugh Purcell, John de Cogan, John de Barri, William de Barri, Walter de Lascy, Richard de Oxonia, John Pypard, Walter Lenfaunt, Jordan de Oxonia, Adam de Staunton, Simon de Pheybo, William Cadel, John du Val, Maurice de Carreu, George de la Roche, Maurice de Rocheford, Maurice son of Thomas de Kerry, to obey the king's former mandate, to wit, to be faithful to John Wogan, justiciary of Ireland, to be present with horses and arms, March 1, at Whytheweyhavne to render fitting aid in that which the king intends to do for the preservation of the right of his realm and the honour of his crown, and to be prepared to set forth on the King's Service thence. The king proposes to be present.

 Edward I (volume 3)

1296 (page 222)

Pardon, on testimony before the king by John son of Thomas, on account of their services in the Scotch war, to William Cadel of Cloyneynam, knight, Reginald Berneval, Richard Cadel and William son of Robert Cadel for all homicides, robberies and other trepasses in Ireland.

Edward III (volume 10)

1357 (page 617)

Commission of oyer and terminer to John de Buttetourt, William de Shareshull, Henry Grene, Roger Hillary, William de Spyne, and Robert de Wyghthull, on complaint by John de Monte Forti, 'chivaler,' that Ralph de Mykynhull, Nicholas de Mikynhull, Roger de Ibstoke, Adam de Coventre, Henry de Blithe, Walter de Aumbersleye, Alan Cadel, John le Baillif of Colleshull in Ardern, Henry de Perton, Thomas de Aumbersleye, David le Hunte of Colleshull in Ardern and others, assaulted him at Colleshull in Ardern, co. Warwick, carried away his goods and 40 l. in money by tale, and assaulted his men and servants.  For 20 s. paid in the hanaper.

 Edward III (volume 12)

1364 (page 537)

Commission to James le Botilkler, earl of Ormond, Thomas de Burlee, prior of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem in Ireland, Simon Flemyng, baron of Slaan, Robert Cadel, Richard Plunket and Stephen Bray, to inspect all the indictments of many trespasses and other enormities in Ireland which, by the king's command have been sent before him in the chancery and he returns to them under his seal, and determine them according to law and the custom of those parts. By K.

Edward III (volume 14)

1370 (page 391)

Robert son of John Cadel, staying in Ireland, has letters nominating John de Blakebourn as his attorney in England for three years. The archbishop of Dublin, received the attorney by writ.

 
Richard II (volume 5)

 1394 (page 443)

Commission to John Cassy. Robert de Whityngton, escheator in the county of Gloucester. Wiklliam Ammondesham,. John att Yate and Anselm Guyse, to enquire and certify touching the petitions of Cecily Sage, Nicholas Mattesdon Drois (sic), Simon Cadel and Eva, his wife, and John Swonhongre, claiming the manor of Kyngeshome near Gloucester, held in chief. By fine levied in the quindene of St. John Baptist, 7 Edward III before William de Herle and the other justices of that king, between John de Albeneye and Cecily, his wife, plaintiffs, and Elias de Godeleye, deforciant, the said Elias granted the manor to the said John and Cecily and the heirs of John by Cecily, by virtue whereof they were seised of it, and from them it descended to Elias, their son and heir, and from him to Elizabeth, his daughter and heir, and by her death without heir of her body petitioners claim that it came to the said Cecily Sage. Maud, Christiana and Isabel, her aunts and heirs, as daughters of the said John and Cecily, and sisters of the said Elias, and that Maud's interest descended to her son and heir William, and from him to his son the said Nicholas, kinsman and one of the heirs of the said Elizabeth; that Christiana's interest descended to her daughter the said Eva, kinswoman and another of the heirs of the said Elizabeth; and that Isabel's interest passed to Elias her son, and from him to his son the said John Swonhongre, kinsman and the third of the heirs of the said Elizabeth. The said Elizabeth, being convincted of murdering her husband Andrew Wanton, was burned, and thereupon the manor was forfeited to the king. By p.s. 9358 & 9359.

There are also entries for the spelling Cadell namely Edward III (volume 11), Richard II (volume 4 and volume 5, Henry IV (volume 1).

Edward III (volume 11)

1359 (page 214)

Richard de Maundevile, staying in England, has letters nominating Robert Cadell and Martin de Berford as his attorneys in Ireland for two years. William de Burgh, clerk, received the attorneys.

Richard II (volume 4)

1390 (page 265-6

Inspeximus and confirmation of letters patent under the great seal of Ireland dated at Dublin. 1 November. S Richard II, test. Philip de Courtenay, the king's lieutenant in Ireland, being a grant and sale for 100 marks, by advice of the said lieutenant and others of the king's council there and by mainprise of John, archbishop of Armagh, and Richard Cadell, vicar of Athboy, to Maurice Sweteman, archdeacon of Armagh, Andrew Waryng and John Taillour, clerks, of the custody, during the minority of John the son and heir, of all the castles, manors, lands and tenements in the counties of Meath and Kyldare, late of William de London, knight, tenant in chief, together with the knights' fees, advowsons, suits of court, yearly rents of free tenants, wardships, marriages, escheats and all other things belonging thereto, and of the custody during the minority of successive heirs, until they obtain the same. By p.s. and for 100 s. paid in the hanaper.

Richard II (volume 5)

1394 (page 524)

Appointment of John Deynes and Laurence Neweton, the king's serjeants-at-arms, and Edmund Savage, Wlater Eure, Robert Cadell and Thomas Forester, in places between Cragvergus and Wykynglower in Ireland, and in those two ports. 

Henry IV (volume 1)

1424 (page 214)

Inspeximus and confirmation, by advice and assent of the lords spiritual and temporal in the Parliament held at Westminster, in the king's first year, to the sovereign (superior in Patent Roll, souverain in P.S.) and burgesses of the town of New Ros in Ireland, of a charter, dated 20 January, 1 Henry V (Charter Roll, 1 Henry V, part 3, No. 9), inspecting and confirming, with additions, letters patent, dated 12 June, 9 Henry IV, inspecting and confirming letters patent, dated 1 April, 1 Henry IV, being an exemplification of letters patent under the seal of Ireland, tested at Kilkenny by John de Stanley, justice of Ireland, 12 December, 12 Richard II, inspecting and confirming by authority of the Parliament held at Kilkenny on Friday after St. Andrew preceding, and adjourned thence to Tristeldormot, Balymore and Naas successiv ely, the following:
  1. A charter of Robert Bigot, sometime earl of Norfolk, and Marshal of England, in favour of the burgesses, witnessed by Sirs Walter Porcell, William le Grad, John de Vale, William Cadell, Richard le Rous, William de Canteton, Gilbert de Sutton, John de Vilers, knights and others.
  2. A schedule of the liberties granted by charter of William Marshal, sometime earl of Pembroke, to the burgesses of Kilkenny, under the great seal used by the lords of the royal liberty of Kilkenny in their chancery, and shown before the king in his chancery of Ireland. By p.s.

I shall compare these to the Blake entries for Ireland in the same time period just out of curiosity.