Thursday, November 26, 2015

Newsletter for Pincombe-Pinkham one name study

A long time in the thinking process and an equally long time actually being written, the first issue of the Pincombe-Pinkham newsletter will be published 1 Dec 2015 on this blog and available also on the Pincombe-Pinkham DNA study website at FT DNA.

The first issue is a look at the Pincombe family from a general point of view in terms of them having been armigerous at one point in the past, the Pincombe-Pinkham yDNA study, the autosomal DNA study, the Visitation of 1620 of Devon, my own line of Pincombe and a request for submissions. It is eight pages in length and it may be longer or shorter the next time. I suspect it will always be somewhat around the ten pages as I have a lot of material that I want to place online for this family so that it is accessible instead of being locked up in my computer and bookshelf.

My choosing Pincombe as a one name study (and the earlier study included Pinkham so I did that as well) stems directly from my mother being a Pincombe prior to marriage. She talked a lot about her family as she knew it when I was a child and as I discovered once the genealogy bug had bitten me that indeed she had a very accurate knowledge of her ancestors and where they had lived. She knew many many of their names (female ancestors) with good accuracy.

I also discovered a lot about my mother's character that I did not know as a child growing up in her household (a household I left at the age of 20 years when I married). I probably would have known more about her had I stayed longer as an adult but the mother that I knew remained pretty much the same up until I married. Then we moved away so that our visits back were short and we really never talked a lot until the time came for my parent's 50th anniversary and she really did want someone to do some family research. My husband agreed to take on the task and dragged me off to the Family History Library to see what could be found. Almost nothing on my father's parents/grandparents in the mid 1980s as it turned out and not a great deal on my mother's parents/grandparents as they did not hold the films that I needed to look at in house. My husband though had the foresight to actually sit and talk to my mother and take down all the information that she knew (which proved to be quite accurate) and the same with my father although I did have some memories of my grandfather talking about his Blake line that was also helpful.

We did manage to put together all the great great grandparents as we knew them but that was pretty much the limit of it. My mother also gave my husband a stack of old letters, old pictures and other memorabilia which we perhaps supposed to return but I guess that got forgotten on both of our parts and nearly twenty years later my husband was going through an old trunk and found the box that she had given him. A treasure trove for me as by that time around 2004 I was into family history. One of the letters had an address from 10 years prior and we did write to that address at the time of the 50th anniversary history search and the letter was forwarded to a cousin by the present homeowner there and we did acquire some photos and a little information to put into the family history.

But as mentioned I learned a lot more about my mother's character working on family history of which I was unaware. She was very gregarious and extremely thoughtful as a person. These traits are not overly noticed by children I suspect as she was also a very strict mother and permitted no deviations from her assigned protocol on how a day would unfold! Interesting that my grandmother (her mother) I found to be a very sweet kindly overly flexible person but my mother certainly painted her mother as being much the same as I saw my mother! My own children adored my mother and took her death at 85 years very hard. The last time they had seen her she was well and healthy so her sudden death was an enormous shock to them. They saw her as this wonderful thoughtful kind grandmother who fitted her day around them to suit whatever they wanted to do. Perhaps it is that tendency of grandmothers/mothers that makes us the kind of people we are today.

John Welch (1756 - 1812)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 48

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, unknown, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Welch was baptized at Rugeley Staffordshire 25 Apr 1756 son of Thomas Welch and Mary Linn  who were themselves married 2 Sep 1745 at Rugeley Staffordshire.When we were in Salt Lake City in 2008 I went through the Rugeley Staffordshire parish records which they held. They were perhaps the Bishops Transcripts and I still have not seen the original parish records online. Likely I will need to subscribe to The Genealogist.UK to view some of these other counties in the future but that brief search through the Rugeley records showed me that my Welch family was unique at Rugeley and I was able to put the family together.

Thomas and Mary Welch baptized a number of children at Rugeley:

Sarah baptized 28 Jun 1747
Mary baptized 8 Apr 1753
John baptized 25 Apr 1756
Ann baptized 26 Dec 1758
Susannah baptized 3 May 1761

John does appear to be the only male Welch child baptized at Rugeley in this time period.

Thomas was baptized 22 Apr 1711 at Rugeley the son of William Welch and Sarah (unknown). William is likely the William Welch buried at Rugeley 20 Apr 1713.

William and Sarah Welch baptized a number of children at Rugeley:

Thomas baptized 22 Apr 1711
Mary buried 26 Dec 1712 at Rugeley
Winnifred baptized 24 Jan 1714

The marriage of William and Sarah was not at Rugeley. I shall check Find My Past today to see if I can locate a marriage for this couple. I did not find anything on Find My Past nor did I find anything on Ancestry. Nor did I find anything on Family Search. Looking at Genuki the following:

"The register of the parish church of St Augustine commences in 1569. The original registers for the period 1569-1905 (Bapts), 1569-1915 (Mar), & 1569-1956 (Bur) and Banns for the period 1823-1890 are deposited at Staffordshire Record Office.
Bishops Transcripts for the period 1659-1880 (with gaps 1681-1684, 1735-1738 & 1780-1795) are deposited at Lichfield Record Office.
A transcript of the registers for the period 1569-1722 was published in 1928 by the Staffordshire Parish Register Society and has been reprinted by the Birmingham & Midland SGH."

I believe that the transcript of the registers published in 1928 is what I viewed at The Family History Centre Library in Salt Lake City.

 I did image a number of items at Salt Lake City and will review them.

Richard Welch married Margery Litton 30 Dec 1675
Thomas Welch son of William and Sarah baptized 22 Apr 1711
Mary daughter of William Welch buried 26 Dec 1712
William Welch buried 20 Apr 1713
Winnifred daughter of William and Sarah Welch, posthumous, baptized 24 Jan 1713
Anne Welch daughter of Mr Henry and Anne Welch baptized 10 Oct 1714
Thomas Harvey married Edith Welch by banns 4 Nov 1717
John Welch bastard son of Sarah Welch baptized 16 Jan 1717/18

I had forgotten that there was another couple baptizing children at this same time - Henry and Anne Welch. I did not find any baptisms for Richard and Margery Welch who married in 1675 at Rugeley. 

The marriage of Thomas Welch and Mary Linn by banns  2 Sep 1745:

The baptism of my 4x great grandfather John Welch son of Thomas and Mary Welch baptized 25 Apr 1756:

I do have the marriage registration for John Weltch and Margaret Brockhouse who were married 16 Feb 1783:

John and Margaret Welch baptized a number of children at Rugeley:

Thomas baptized 3 Nov 1783 (married Rebecca Reeves 8 Aug 1814 at Rugeley)
John baptized 3 Jul 1785
Ann baptized 11 Nov 1787 (married William Beardsmore 15 Sep 1812 at Rugeley)
Sarah baptized 10 May 1789 (married William Reeves 15 Oct 1812 at Rugeley)
Mary baptized 25 Dec 1790 (married John Tomlinson 26 Jun 1814 at Rugeley)
William baptized 11 Nov 1792 (married Sarah Cheatle 24 Aug 1818 at Longdon by Lichfield)
Hannah baptized 6 Apr 1794 (married John Wilks 26 Dec 1814 at Rugeley)
Susanna baptized 8 Nov 1795
Frances baptized 2 Jul 1797
Henry baptized 5 May 1799 (married Elizabeth Radford 19 Apr 1824 at Colton)
James baptized 12 Jul 1801 (married Lucy Welch)

The descendants of John and Margaret Welch known to me (grandchildren) number 44. I have not traced down many of these grandchildren but should consider that if I really want to do anything with the autosomal. It is possible that many of these descendants still live in the Birmingham area and with Who Do You Think You Are Live in Birmingham it is possible they might test their autosomal DNA but I might not spot them in my matches.

Marriage of William Welch and Sarah Cheatle (my 3x great grandparents):

One of the first items that I noted was that William has signed the register whereas his father John made his mark. William was a restaurant owner in Birmingham from the mid 1820s to the end of the 1850s. It is possible that Sarah his wife was partly the reason for his successful entrepreneurship. One notes that William Cheatle is one of the witnesses and this could be Sarah's father. Sarah has also signed the register.

Ann, daughter of William and Sarah, married Henry Christopher Buller in 1838 at Edgbaston (she was just 18 years of age and I suspect a run away marriage) and their son Edwin Denner Buller was my great grandfather.

The story of John Welch is virtually unchanged from my early thoughts. I have no ideas on the origin of this Welch family; are they descendant of Richard and Margery and was Henry a brother to William from the early Rugeley records? At some point I shall have to visit this family again when records for Staffordshire are available. 

Ancestry of John Welch:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Helen Louise PINCOMBE (b 18 Oct 1916) - Westminster Township, Middlesex County, Ontario, Canada
3. Ellen Rosina BULLER (b 20 May 1886) - Birmingham Warwickshire England
4. Edwin Denner BULLER (b 8 Apr 1850) - Birmingham Warwickshire England
5. Ann WELCH (b 4 Jan 1820) - Ashby de la Zouch Leicester England
6. William WELCH (b 11 Nov 1792) - Rugeley Staffordshire England
7. John WELCH (b 25 Apr 1756) - Rugeley Staffordshire England
8. Thomas WELCH (b 22 Apr 1711) - Rugeley Staffordshire England
9. William WELCH

Sunday, November 22, 2015

I2a1b1a1 - S2703 further subdivided to I2a1b1a1 - Y14338

The latest ISOGG tree has now been updated for my brother's I haplogroup. This is now referred to as I2a1b1a1 with S2703 being the terminal SNP thus far. S2703 is one of the SNPs tested at BritainsDNA. Looking at their anonymized data there are 17 individuals who have tested with BritainsDNA at the time of my acquiring this chart (19 Feb 2014 - I should check for an update) and my brother shows AC for this particular snp. Of the 17 others testing for this snp and belonging to this haplogroup, five tested CC and 12 tested AC. The ancestral value for this particular SNP is CC and the derived value is AC.

I haven't looked at National Genographic summaries for a while and will check and see if there is anyone closely related who has responded. I can not find them on the site any longer. There wasn't anyone who had responded that was close to our line though.

On paper this Blake line can be traced back through my father (born at Eastleigh, Hampshire) to his father (born at Upper Clatford, Hampshire) to his father, grandfather and great grandfather (all born at Upper Clatford). My 4x great grandfather Joseph Blake was baptized at Andover (1730) son of Thomas Blake also baptized at Andover (1709) to his father Thomas baptized at Andover (1685) to his father John baptized at Andover (1649, but living at Penton Mewsey) to his father William baptized at Andover 1615 to his father William born circa 1583-5 at Andover). His father Richard was born at Knights Enham circa late 1550s to his father William born at Knights Enham circa 1510s-1520s son of Nicholas Blake who was likely born at Knights Enham circa 1480s-1490s son of Richard Blake born likely at Knights Enham circa 1450s-1460s son of Robert Blake who likely married Maude Snell by the mid 1400s and left his will in 1520 living at Knights Enham. Robert was quite elderly when he left his will. His son Richard died within that next year leaving his will in 1521 and mentioning his son Robert and possibly his son Nicholas still working on that transcription from Latin. That would have Robert born circa 1420s-1430s and writing it down I hadn't really looked at that possible years of birth as being quite so early. There are records of Blake at Andover in the early 1300s and linking this Robert back to that John Blake is something I would like to work on.

BritainsDNA records this particular haplogroup I-S185 as an ancient one to the British Isles labeling them Deer Hunters and beonging to S185 in their nomenclature, this SNP is called L161 by FT DNA. This is the furtherest down the SNP tree that FT DNA is displaying thus far. In between L161 and L1498 is found S2639 for which my brother is derived.  ISOGG has added the S2703 below L1498 and on the BritainsDNA website they list S2640 as the furtherest subdivision for this group. S2643 is L1498 according to the YFULL tree and L1498 is tested by FT DNA but not yet listed on the tree there as mentioned.

The YFull tree has under L1498 two divisions Y3749 (S2640 (derived for my brother (in the anonymized study there are 6 ancestral and 11 derived members) and S2703 (derived for my brother (in the anonymized study there are 6 ancestral and 11 derived members)) and Y3722 (S7703 (does not appear on the SNPS tested for my brother)). That would place my brother's results under Y3749. This is listed as forming 6500 ybp. There are further divisions under this particular branch.

Y3749 has two main branches Y14338 (S2627) and Y3722. Checking the BritainsDNA results for S2627 and the result for my brother is derived thus placing him further under this subgrouping into Y14338 which does not yet have a name on the ISOGG tree. This haplogroup is most commonly found in the Republic of Ireland (Connaught) but also found sparsely in southern England (Devon/Somerset/Dorset/Wiltshire/Hampshire). A lot of interesting material to be found on this haplogroup in the future perhaps. I probably should do a Full Genome on my brother one of these days. That is on the backburner in my mind. I am thinking of soon doing AncestryDNA on my two brothers and then bringing the one brother who has not tested Family Finder into FT DNA to have him there.

The results for S2627 on Britains DNA have values of GG for ancestral and AA for derived. Of the 17 samples in the anonymized data only my brother is derived with the other 16 members being ancestral. For the moment then he would appear to be defining the Y14338 branch of the I2a1b1a1 haplogroup. This branch at 6500 ybp is interesting because his nearest match in the Blake study (there are two actually), is likely separated from him by this timeframe given the differences between them on 111 markers. This is perhaps saying that my ancestral line stopped in this Hampshire area on the trek towards the coast then of Doggerland/British Isles about 6500 years ago and the other branch continued on towards the western coast of the continent which then extended much farther out into the Atlantic Ocean but with the frquency of this group highest in the Connaught area in modern times (6500 years is a long time!). Perhaps that individual produced more male offspring than the one left behind in Hampshire thus resulting in much greater numbers. Always very interesting looking at the results of this haplogroup every six months or so as time moves onward and backwards as it turns out!

Saturday, November 21, 2015

John Cobb (1750 - 1837)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 47

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Cobb (my 4x great grandfather), the son of John Cobb and Sarah Beilby, was baptized 29 Jul 1750 at Kilnwick on the Wolds, East Riding of Yorkshire (buried 5 May 1837 at Lund near Beverley). John Cobb and Sarah Beilby were  married 14 Nov 1745 at Lund near Beverley, East Riding of Yorkshire. This birth registration as being correct is clearly established by the marriage registration for John Cobb and Ann Sproxton (image below) as being the correct John Cobb which states that John Cobb was born at Kilnwick and Ann Sproxton was born at Great Driffield.

Marriage registration for John Cobb and Ann Sproxton:

Marriage registration for John Cobb and Sarah Beilby:

John Cobb and Sarah Beilby baptized three children at Kilnwick on the Wolds:

Elizabeth baptized 22 Feb 1746
John baptized 29 Jul 1750 (and married to Ann Sproxton 24 Nov 1782 at Lund)
Benjamin baptized 16 Feb 1757

Kilnwick on the Wolds is 1.9 miles from Lund. I do have land records for John Cobb and will publish them here and they are all listed in the Land Tax assessments for the parish of Lund.

1812-1813 rate, John Cobb 7.5 pence
1812-1813 rate, Benjamin Cobb 5 pence

1813-1814 rate, John Cobb 5.5 pence
1813-1814 rate, Benjamin Cobb 3.5 pence

1815-1816 rate, John Cobb 5.5 pence

1816-1817 rate, John Cobb, 3.75 pence

1832-1833 rate, John Cobb 3.25 pence
1832-1833 rate, Benjamin Cobb 6.5 pence

1837-1838 rate, Late John Cobb 4.5 pence

1782 to 1837 list of proprietors and occupiers
John Cobb listed as proprietor and occupier and his rate 1 shilling 7 pence (varies)

Family history says that John was a farmer and the records bear this out. Benjamin is his younger brother and he is both a farmer and a shop keeper. John married Ann Sproxton 24 Nov 1782 at Lund:

What can I learn about John's parents John Cobb and Sarah Beilby? I know that they married 14 Nov 1745 at Lund.

Map of area (source Genuki)

Lund is surrounded by Middleton on the Wolds, Holme on the Wolds, Lockington, and Kilnwick on the Wolds.

There is a baptism for John Cobb at Lockington son of Benjamin and Mary Cobb 22 Dec 1708. That would make him 37 years of age when he married and is within a reasonable age for that. The forename Benjamin is interesting as John's brother is named Benjamin. This is the only baptism in the area around Lund that I have found and Lockington is 1.3 miles from Kilnwick.

Baptism for Benjamin Cobb son of Benjamin and Mary Cobb 22 Sep 1700 at Lockington.

I am unable to find any further information at Lockington for Benjamin and Mary Cobb other than burials in the 1730s although I can not for sure attach the burial of Mary Cobb widow to this particular couple.

There is a marriage of Benjamin Cobb and Mary Sanderson at Bishop Wilton 10 Jul 1694.  Bishop Wilton is 10 miles from Middleton on the Wolds and 12 miles from Lund.  Interesting and perhaps something to pursue in the future. There is a will probated at Londesborough for a Benjamin Cobb in 1728. There is a burial for a Benjamin Cobb yeoman 18 Apr 1728 at Londesborough. Londesborough is seven miles from Lund.

Ancestry of John Cobb:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Helen Louise PINCOMBE (b 18 Oct 1916) - Westminster Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
3. John Routledge PINCOMBE (b 10 Sep 1872)- Lobo Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
4. Grace GRAY (b 22 Mar 1839) - London Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
5. Robert GRAY (b 3 Nov 1810) - Etton Yorkshire England
6. Elizabeth COBB (b 24 Aug 1783) - Lund near Beverley Yorkshire England
7. John COBB (b 29 Jul 1750) - Kilnwick on the Wolds Yorkshire England
8. John COBB  (b 22 Dec 1708) - Lockington Yorkshire England

9. Benjamin COBB

Monday, November 16, 2015

Mission in Syria/Iraq and 25,000 refugees

Once I have gotten started on my political soapbox I guess I might as well as not get it out of my system.

I think that Prime Minister Trudeau is right to bring home the CF-18s. Our role as mentors is really where we want to be. I do not think we have to explain it at all. We also have a Field Hospital in Kuwait which we should continue I believe.

Bringing in the 25,000 refugees, I am in agreement. I realize that we will need to be cautious because these terrorists do not have any values with regard to decency. They live in some sort of a world where their rules and interpretation of the sacred Koran are right and everyone else including other Muslims are wrong. They are the Nazis of the 21st Century. Their tactics are so similar: beat them until they succumb; frighten them until they are afraid to resist and then force them to do what the terrorists want done. No wonder the Syrians are fleeing in such great numbers.

Hopefully as the refugees become part of a new society they will respect the existing society and not expect society to tune themselves into their way of life. We must merge if we want to survive as a democratic society.

Perhaps now I can get back to my genealogical studies. I voted for this party because I liked what they were saying. I have to be honest if I am buying my passport I would find it uncomfortable to be sold that passport by someone wearing a burka. It is such an impersonal garment and we are used to at least being able to see the person to whom we are handing our documents. But becoming a Canadian, if you have identified yourself properly, then I do not care what you wear to become a Canadian. One hopes it would just simply be appropriate for such a momentous occasion.