Collecting records of the Bertrand family (ancestors of Antoinette Bertrand married to Marius Mourier 1877 at Hull) and transcribing them for the Research day on the Bertrand Family.
M de Antoine Bertran et de Josephte Cholette
Le onze janvier mil huit cent deux nous pretre
soussigné après la publication de trois bans de mariage
entre antoine bertran fils majeur de Louis bertran
et de marie josephte boyer Ses pere et mere cultivateurs
en cette paroisse et consentante au mariage d'une part
et Josephte Cholette fille mineure d'hicanthe cholette
et de marie magdelene roy ses pere et mere cultivateurs
en cette paroisse et consentants aussi au dit mariage et
ne s'étant trouvé aucun empechement au ses dit
mariage Leur avons donné La bénédiction nuptiale
après avoir reçu leur consentement mutuel en
présence de Louis bertran pere de l'époux de pierre
bertran frere, de Laurent et vital bertran oncles
paternels de pierre et alexis boyer oncles mater
nels de françois vital bertran cousin germain
de louis joseph bogne ami, d'hicanthe cholet
pere de l'épouse de joseph chevrier oncle (pere)
paternel de françois roy oncle maternel de
françois cholette frere, de vincent Labie beau frere
d'hacinthe et denys et ignace gauthier cousins
de jean baptiste cam__nault ____ ami desquels
témoins hiacinthe cholette et laurent et vital
bertran louis joseph borgné ont signé et les
autres ont declaré ne le savoir _____après
Lecture faite. un mot interligne bon
vital bertrand [signed]
hicanthe cholette [signed]
Laurent Bertrand [signed]
L J Borgne [signed]
Between the third and fourth lines was a notation "feu Charlotte [B or R]endroyrd. Having so many family members mentioned really helps to place this bride and groom into the correct family lines. The parents of Antoine Bertrand being identified as Louis Bertrand and Marie Josephte Boyer. I will transcribe their marriage the next research day.
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Saturday, June 4, 2011
Thursday, April 28, 2011
Bertrand Family
The Bertrand family of French Canadian descent is very well published. Initially I was unable to attach Antoinette to her correct Bertrand family line. I still have not found the marriage registration for Antoinette Bertrand and Marius Mourier in 1877 at Hull Québec. Today, I shall again search out the death registration on Ancestry to see if I am able to locate one for Antoinette Bertrand now that 1936 is available.The death registration for Marius Mourier gives the name of his father as Jean Calixte Mourier. Her father is listed as Julien Bertrand and her mother as Antoinette Séguin. Since I am unable to find the marriage registration thus far, finding her parents on the death registration is the next best thing (and she is identified correctly as the widow of Marius Mourier). The informant was her younger daughter Marie Louise Proulx.
This verification is excellent as the published source that I found listed her parents as Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin.
Again I will place the Bertrand family into folders and thus far I only have the last two generations with the pertinent documents. One project for this family will be to pull all the documents available back to the emigrant ancestor. In this case, the emigrant ancestor was Jean Bertrand who married Marie Charlotte Brard 23 Sep 1697 at Notre-Dame, Montréal. Looking at Tanguay, (although I have found a few errors in Tanguay I still consider this to be the best reference tool in terms of looking at an entire family of an emigrant) there are a number of Jean Bertrand marriages and according to the published records bringing us down to Julien Vital Bertrand we would select their son Jacques who married Marie Louise Dumouchel 19 Sep 1729 at Notre Dame, Montréal. Their son Michel Louis married Marie Josephte Boyer dit St-Germain 10 Aug 1778 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Their son Antoine married Marie Josephte Cholet 11 Jan 1802 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Julien Vital was a son of this couple. Tanguay only takes us to Michel Louis being identified as the son of Jacques Bertrand married to Marie Louise Dumouchel. but it is a good starting point. I need to then locate the marriage of Julien Vital Bertrand and Anoinette Séguin which I did by writing to a rootsweb site which promised lookups of the Registers at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orignal, Prescott, Ontario. This is also on the nosorigines website. I also found on WorldConnect
Married: 07 FEB 1842 in Paroisse Saint-Jean-Baptiste, L'Orignal, Comté de Prescott, Ontario, Canada 3
* Note:
Original :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
On the seventh of February eighteen hundred and forty two, after two publications of banns at our parochial mase of L'Orignal, I the undersigned priest have joined & maried Julien Vital Bertrand son of age of Antoine Bertrand and of the late Joseph Cholette and to Antoinette Séguin daughter of Hiacinthe Seguin and of Monique Villeneuve of Hawkesbury in presence of Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Translation :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
Le sept Février mil huit cent quarante et deux, après la publication de deux bans aux messes paroissiales de L'Orignal. Je prêtre soussigné ai joint et marié Julien Vital Bertrand fils majeur d'Antoine Bertrand et de feue Joseph Cholette et a Antoinette Séguin fille de Hiacinthe Seguin et de Monique Villeneuve de Hawkesbury en présence de Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Short of seeing the original register all of these items, the transcription is certainly very convincing.
The parents of Julien Vital Bertrand are named as Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet. It would appear that Julien Vital Bertrand has moved on from Vaudreuil where he was born and from Rigaud where his mother was buried in 1836 to L'Original. . This is a distance of approximately 20 kilometres.
From Wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Orignal,_Ontario):
L'Orignal is a village and former municipality, now part of Champlain Township in eastern Ontario, Canada. It likely took its name from its location on the Ottawa River once known as Pointe à l'Orignal (French for "Moose Point"), where moose crossed the river.
The marriage of Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet was celebrated 11 Jan 1802 at St Michel, Vaudreuil. I did find the scan of their marriage on ancestry and downloaded a copy to my files. However, Tanguay does not have this marriage so I must work my way back another generation to Michel Louis Bertrand and Marie Josephte Boyer dit St Germain who married 10 Aug 1778 at St Michel, Vaudreuil according to the published information on this family. Both Louis Michel and Marie Josephte appear to be widowed at the time of their marriage. One notes from given baptismal records that Louis Michel would have been 41 years of age and Marie Josephte 37 years of age. In order to find the parents of Luis Michel I need to find his first marriage. His first wife was Marie Charlotte Bertrand and they married 10 June 1763 at LaPrairie. Louis Michel parents were recorded as Jacques Bertrand and Marie Louise Dumouchelle. Tanguay records their marriage as 19 Sep 1729 at Montréal which I shall verify on my next study day for the Bertrand family. So Jean is the first generation, Jacques is the second generation, Louis Michel is the third generation, Antoine is the fourth generation, Julien Vital is the fifth generation and Antoinette is the sixth generation. I can now separate the files into folders with the Bertrand folder.
This verification is excellent as the published source that I found listed her parents as Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin.
Again I will place the Bertrand family into folders and thus far I only have the last two generations with the pertinent documents. One project for this family will be to pull all the documents available back to the emigrant ancestor. In this case, the emigrant ancestor was Jean Bertrand who married Marie Charlotte Brard 23 Sep 1697 at Notre-Dame, Montréal. Looking at Tanguay, (although I have found a few errors in Tanguay I still consider this to be the best reference tool in terms of looking at an entire family of an emigrant) there are a number of Jean Bertrand marriages and according to the published records bringing us down to Julien Vital Bertrand we would select their son Jacques who married Marie Louise Dumouchel 19 Sep 1729 at Notre Dame, Montréal. Their son Michel Louis married Marie Josephte Boyer dit St-Germain 10 Aug 1778 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Their son Antoine married Marie Josephte Cholet 11 Jan 1802 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Julien Vital was a son of this couple. Tanguay only takes us to Michel Louis being identified as the son of Jacques Bertrand married to Marie Louise Dumouchel. but it is a good starting point. I need to then locate the marriage of Julien Vital Bertrand and Anoinette Séguin which I did by writing to a rootsweb site which promised lookups of the Registers at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orignal, Prescott, Ontario. This is also on the nosorigines website. I also found on WorldConnect
Married: 07 FEB 1842 in Paroisse Saint-Jean-Baptiste, L'Orignal, Comté de Prescott, Ontario, Canada 3
* Note:
Original :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
On the seventh of February eighteen hundred and forty two, after two publications of banns at our parochial mase of L'Orignal, I the undersigned priest have joined & maried Julien Vital Bertrand son of age of Antoine Bertrand and of the late Joseph Cholette and to Antoinette Séguin daughter of Hiacinthe Seguin and of Monique Villeneuve of Hawkesbury in presence of Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Translation :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
Le sept Février mil huit cent quarante et deux, après la publication de deux bans aux messes paroissiales de L'Orignal. Je prêtre soussigné ai joint et marié Julien Vital Bertrand fils majeur d'Antoine Bertrand et de feue Joseph Cholette et a Antoinette Séguin fille de Hiacinthe Seguin et de Monique Villeneuve de Hawkesbury en présence de Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Short of seeing the original register all of these items, the transcription is certainly very convincing.
The parents of Julien Vital Bertrand are named as Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet. It would appear that Julien Vital Bertrand has moved on from Vaudreuil where he was born and from Rigaud where his mother was buried in 1836 to L'Original. . This is a distance of approximately 20 kilometres.
From Wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Orignal,_Ontario):
L'Orignal is a village and former municipality, now part of Champlain Township in eastern Ontario, Canada. It likely took its name from its location on the Ottawa River once known as Pointe à l'Orignal (French for "Moose Point"), where moose crossed the river.
The marriage of Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet was celebrated 11 Jan 1802 at St Michel, Vaudreuil. I did find the scan of their marriage on ancestry and downloaded a copy to my files. However, Tanguay does not have this marriage so I must work my way back another generation to Michel Louis Bertrand and Marie Josephte Boyer dit St Germain who married 10 Aug 1778 at St Michel, Vaudreuil according to the published information on this family. Both Louis Michel and Marie Josephte appear to be widowed at the time of their marriage. One notes from given baptismal records that Louis Michel would have been 41 years of age and Marie Josephte 37 years of age. In order to find the parents of Luis Michel I need to find his first marriage. His first wife was Marie Charlotte Bertrand and they married 10 June 1763 at LaPrairie. Louis Michel parents were recorded as Jacques Bertrand and Marie Louise Dumouchelle. Tanguay records their marriage as 19 Sep 1729 at Montréal which I shall verify on my next study day for the Bertrand family. So Jean is the first generation, Jacques is the second generation, Louis Michel is the third generation, Antoine is the fourth generation, Julien Vital is the fifth generation and Antoinette is the sixth generation. I can now separate the files into folders with the Bertrand folder.
Wednesday, January 27, 2010
Bertrand and Séguin families
I decided to move on from the Whalen/Welland family as I was not finding any information that was helpful for this line.
I have a marriage for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orginal, Prescott Co UC 7 Feb 1842. I asked for an online verification and did receive one. It would still be nice to view the register I must admit and I hope to do that when next we are in Toronto.
Parents of Julien Vital Bertrand listed were: Antoine Bertrand and Josette (Marie Josephte ?) Cholet.
Parents of Antoinette Séguin listed were: Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve.
I did find a baptism for Julien Vital Bertrand 28 Apr 1814 at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud, LC. The baptism for Antoinette Séguin is said to be 15 Jun 1815 also at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud but the baptism I find for a daughter of this couple is named Monique Noelette (in this time period who appears to have survived) - 25 Dec 1815 (born 25 Dec 1815). The date online of 15 Jun is from a family website. There was a daughter baptized 22 November 1814 (born 21 November 1814) which would make the June birthdate a seven months baby at most and likely less than that. I suspect the date is in error. I wonder though whether the name Antoinette by which she is known is perhaps a Confirmation name since her recorded name is Monique Noelette.
Looking at the census that I can find for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin I find her birth dates various (1852 (birthdate 1815), 1861 (birthdate 1813) and 1871 (birthdate 1814). She is always listed as 1 to 2 years older than Julien (his birth dates range from 1817 to 1815 although his baptism is clearly found to be 28 April 1814). Hyacinthe and Monique had a daughter in 1813 (they married in 1812) but I find a burial for Rosalie at four days of age. They also had a daughter mentioned earlier Madeleine Monique in November 1814 who was buried 5 Sep 1815. I find three daughters born after Monique Noelette in 1817, 1818 and 1820 and then Hyacinthe is born in 1821.
Searching for the burials of Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin did not locate a burial for either. The census shows them to be at Petite Nation, Ottawa West, Québec in 1852, André Avellin in 1861 and Hull on the 1871 census. I do not find them on the 1881 census. Their daughter Antoinette marries in 1877 at Hull but they do not appear on the 1881 census with this young couple.
However, I feel that I have established that Antoinette Séguin is the daughter (Monique Noelette) of Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve and that the father of Hyacinthe is also Hyacinthe as he is listed as fils on the baptisms of their children. That is also helpful. I will continue working back on this family line today.
I have a marriage for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orginal, Prescott Co UC 7 Feb 1842. I asked for an online verification and did receive one. It would still be nice to view the register I must admit and I hope to do that when next we are in Toronto.
Parents of Julien Vital Bertrand listed were: Antoine Bertrand and Josette (Marie Josephte ?) Cholet.
Parents of Antoinette Séguin listed were: Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve.
I did find a baptism for Julien Vital Bertrand 28 Apr 1814 at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud, LC. The baptism for Antoinette Séguin is said to be 15 Jun 1815 also at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud but the baptism I find for a daughter of this couple is named Monique Noelette (in this time period who appears to have survived) - 25 Dec 1815 (born 25 Dec 1815). The date online of 15 Jun is from a family website. There was a daughter baptized 22 November 1814 (born 21 November 1814) which would make the June birthdate a seven months baby at most and likely less than that. I suspect the date is in error. I wonder though whether the name Antoinette by which she is known is perhaps a Confirmation name since her recorded name is Monique Noelette.
Looking at the census that I can find for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin I find her birth dates various (1852 (birthdate 1815), 1861 (birthdate 1813) and 1871 (birthdate 1814). She is always listed as 1 to 2 years older than Julien (his birth dates range from 1817 to 1815 although his baptism is clearly found to be 28 April 1814). Hyacinthe and Monique had a daughter in 1813 (they married in 1812) but I find a burial for Rosalie at four days of age. They also had a daughter mentioned earlier Madeleine Monique in November 1814 who was buried 5 Sep 1815. I find three daughters born after Monique Noelette in 1817, 1818 and 1820 and then Hyacinthe is born in 1821.
Searching for the burials of Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin did not locate a burial for either. The census shows them to be at Petite Nation, Ottawa West, Québec in 1852, André Avellin in 1861 and Hull on the 1871 census. I do not find them on the 1881 census. Their daughter Antoinette marries in 1877 at Hull but they do not appear on the 1881 census with this young couple.
However, I feel that I have established that Antoinette Séguin is the daughter (Monique Noelette) of Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve and that the father of Hyacinthe is also Hyacinthe as he is listed as fils on the baptisms of their children. That is also helpful. I will continue working back on this family line today.
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