Showing posts with label Question. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Question. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 10, 2025

Basement cleaned and main floor next plus 2% GDP for our military this year

The good news yesterday was Prime Minister Carney following through with his commitment to bring Canada's military up to scratch. There will be in this year's expenditures an increase in the spending to a full 2% of GDP.  Thank you Prime Minister Carney. The last good Prime Minister with regard to the military was Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and it went downhill very rapidly when the Liberals dominated the government for most of the time after that except of course when Prime Minister Harper was in power from 2006 to 2015. He had promised money for the military but in his constant desire to balance the budget he let that slip and I shall be forever on my guard watching to make sure that the Conservatives do not do that again. So thank you Prime Minister Carney for this very important announcement. I still say the ultra-wealthy could support the military with ships as a donation or other equipment. I love to hear that the corporations that they represent are doing such good work for Canada. 

 The rhythm of my week does centre around the cleaning as it occupies Monday to Wednesday most weeks although I also do just Monday and Tuesday. It depends on what I want to do mostly. So today is the main floor and I shall begin around 9 or so. 

Yesterday I did spend time on the matches for the brother that least resembles me and I am on the third page of 50 results  and I have now reached 87 new matches. There will be fewer new ones as I work my way forwards through the results of five siblings but on the other hand because of the layout I am missing some of the singleton matches where the results are within the range that interests me (i.e. 20 cM or greater). But a lot more results with the total still quite high because of endogamy in some cases or simply the frequency of my particular grandparent's surnames coming together has a greater chance in England where all of my ancestors were either born or descendant of English born people. Interesting really and the ethnic results for each of the five of us are slightly different (primarily English of course) but the mixture of Scot and Irish is always very surprising but shouldn't be after all they lived (most of them) in those Isles for millennia perhaps. I do have the Question family from France as Huguenots in the latter part of the 1400s but does it actually show up and yes that is the answer it is there as a small percentage in the ethnicity. There is also German and I have no idea which ancestral line has German although tempted to think it is there in the Buller line perhaps. There is also Scandinavian and the Gray family of the East Riding of Yorkshire is perhaps that particular bit of interesting ethnicity (they were tall people I would say by the picture of my great grandmother Grace (Gray) Pincombe). It is the only picture that I have of that family. The Routledge family as Highlanders may also contribute to that Nordic ancestry not sure. 

I wondered if there would be a lot of transfer between the databases for Living DNA from Ancestry, from My Heritage, from FT DNA and from 23 and Me. There is some although people could have just bought new kits as I did for this brother I am looking at right now and myself. At every testing company I wanted to have at least two new kits where you could upload and for most I have more than that. The results are always similar although will shift about somewhat because of the particular data points that are chosen within the chromosomes by a particular company but it is quite small as an effect. The number though of people from my current database that I am adding Living DNA results to is quite small actually. I was surprised and actually it is great as most of the people are living in the British Isles and the results show the endogamy I anticipated with both the Knight family (my great grandmother Maria Jane Knight married Edward Blake at Upper Clatford but introduced this huge line from Dorset into the results) and the Routledge family tended to marry their cousins in Bewcastle giving me endogamy there. They were my first Canadians - the Routledges. Elizabeth Mary Ann Routledge was fourteen years of age when she arrived in Canada in 1818 and it would be another fourteen years before she married Robert Gray from Holme in the Wolds, ERY here in Canada. He emigrated to Canada in the early 1830s (I know where he was on the land in 1831 and then he was here marrying Mary Ann at St Pauls in London Ontario, now St Paul's Cathedral (Anglican)!).  

So today the cleaning and more extraction. Great fun! I did start the Pincombe Newsletter yesterday and will also work away at that today. My mind is flighty at the moment but will soon settle. 

Monday, December 4, 2023

Six pages of received text left from my Siderfin cousin

I just have six pages of received text to complete. It will be nice to be finished and too bad I am such a knit picker but if I put census in then I like to have the details to add and I always have to check the children  so that takes time as well. But it is moving along nicely. Perhaps tomorrow I will finish but it is my large cleaning day so can not be positive about that. 

I will start proofreading and indexing though from the beginning. I need to look at the figures and see what I could add although I am starting to retreat from doing a lot of  limited genealogy charts. Given that from the mid 1700s there appears by the records to be only one family contributing to the descendants with the Siderfin surname (Robert Siderfin married to Elizabeth Question) I am not really sure that accomplishes very much. People can always construct their own trees. Or at some point in the future I could do the trees on Legacy and just publish an addendum to the book. Will think about that. A separate document is not a bad idea as charts tend to be larger and add to the document in a largish way considering it is electronic. When it is mostly text it can be quite long without being unduly large in terms of size. 

Another lovely Sunday and the snow gradually arrived  with this area getting up to just 10 centimetres of wet slushy snow; our snow generally is dry as it is cold here mostly and we are not in the snow belt of the Great Lakes where wet slushy snow is pretty common.

Christmas is coming now that Advent Sunday has arrived and I, as usual, have done nothing. My neighbours put up lights on the fence which is lovely. I did give them our Christmas lights because I am not doing that anymore. Outside work is not really my thing for sure but do do what needs to be done and this fall has been exceptional as I have put out maybe six bags of leaves with one half bag that will go out soon. Thought I would collect branches and break them up but the snow is covering them so they can rot a little through the winter although the snow will protect them. 

The question is always should I decorate inside but I have all my religious ornaments to put up and that will be nice. Must do that today actually as I clean I will come across all of those ornaments. Not a tree though; I shall think about donating that along with some of the ornaments that do not have sentimental value to me. Last year I cleaned them out and put some on our daughter's tree and will probably do that again. There are some that she bought so it would be nice for her to have them. We bought a lot on our travels in the British Isles and Europe but I will let her choose those. I have boxes and boxes of things we bought although I should really say Edward bought them I am not really into accumulating things so very much. Along with the wedding presents I brought just one very large box of my belongings to our marriage since I moved from home I did not have any items that were housekeeping particularly. I had one bookcase full of my things, both books and other items and I still have that bookcase which is just three shelves and about a metre tall. The second bookcase that is mine (acquired from my older sister at some point in the past) is just a little larger. As always my room contains what I want to keep with me although I am not that overly committed to any of it as I have already arranged for the historical material to go to an Archives. This summer the large dresser goes as it does not have any clothes in it just things that need to be sorted. Two tiny drawers at the top are mine and the rest is Edward's things that he valued. I want the girls to decide what they want to keep but it likely isn't time to do that yet. The rest of the house I do not have any particular interest in those things and gradually they will get minimized to Salvation Army if there is any value or elsewhere if not. 

Another lovely day in God's World; it is a white world out there today and the snow continues to fall but not as heavy as predicted. That is a pity as I was getting quite excited thinking about skiing in the back yard. However the little animals have been about looking for their hidden caches I suspect before they finally hibernate when the intense cold arrives. 

Thank you God for the goodness of this world and hopefully the world can find the ability to make peace so that everyone gets to live on that uplifted plain where people are not killing each other. As the population dwindles over this next century perhaps that will be the incentive. Mother Earth will welcome a smaller population as the environment will improve. 

Cleaning day and some work on the Siderfin book. It does look like I will finish the 12th generation either today or tomorrow but more likely tomorrow as cleaning does come first. Do the hard things first my grandfather and grandmother always said and then you can enjoy the things you like to do because you are not thinking about what you have to do. They were very practical people my grandparents but then they lived through the slaughter of the 19th century and the slaughter of the 20th century and are for sure saddened that it has carried on into the 21st century. The only thing that really works is fighting back and eliminating the crazies of which Hamas, Russia and the RSF Sudanese fighters are the worst at the moment. All are equally deluded and ignorant one might say. Israel, Ukraine and the Sudanese Armed Forces are holding the line against such extremism and taking it back to them; that always works in the long run. The loss of life is very sad but then look at Sudan; no one is supporting the Sudanese people and they are being equally killed in huge numbers; genocide or selling people into slavery is ongoing there as it always has been in Africa. No wonder South Sudan wanted out of that mess - the RSF in Sudan are also very sick. The United Nations does its best but there is a limit to how much they can do when they are not supported sufficiently by all the countries in the world to stop these rampaging crazies. The United States does try but there is only so much that can be done and then it is just up to time and that uplifted plain of peace is out there and it can be achieved when the crazies are eliminated. Stop supporting the crazies rest of the world. The French Resistance during World War II could tell you about that; they tried to keep their people as safe as they could but then they knew who could be trusted. Israel has to protect themselves because somebody gave the actual layout of their homes to Hamas but of course Hamas could have forced them but we can not tell nor can Israel.

The Islamic State in the Philippines has taken credit for the bombing of a Roman Catholic Church; like I said the crazies in the Islamic world are after the Jews and the Christians and everyone else that isn't born Muslim. Do not support them or you are supporting your own demise!

On to the day. Breakfast, I am very hungry although last night's dinner of scallops, potato cooked in its skin with cut up carrots and corn on the side and a crust of bread was quite lovely. I do really enjoy fish but probably eat far more vegetables than I do meat as I am really fond of vegetables and bread with milk type things like yoghurt, cottage cheese, cheese itself in second place. Then there is peanut butter which I am very fond of as well for my lunches although do have egg salad on occasion or a fish salad on my bread. But breakfast is the best - cooked oatmeal in milk with raisins and cranberries then add in wheat germ, wheat bran, cocoa along with blueberries at the end. Absolutely delicious and I should get tired of it but it is easy and I never have to think about what I would like as I enjoy that the most; makes for an easy beginning to the day and I am 78 years and two months and a couple of weeks old now. The average life span is just 82 years apparently having decreased during COVID. I must get busy on my books and get them done. 

Accidentally set off my alarm when I dropped something very heavy, took me about three minutes to get that all cancelled. Must speed that up although it is the first time in more than a year that I have accidentally dropped something when the alarm was still on. Getting old for sure.

Saturday, December 2, 2023

Slow progress on the 12th generation

Worked away part of the day on the 12th generation but there is a lot of new material that I did not collect earlier and I have to look up all the references but it is working out; just takes time. I think maybe another two days actually before I complete this generation. 

But I also completed the Pincombe-Pinkham Newsletter and published it online on the yDNA website at FT DNA. The main discussion was on the planned book. I have six elements that I discussed in terms of how to do certain aspects of it, naming the book, what I hope to achieve and a couple others. Then a discussion on the value of DNA in surname studies. It still ended up being over 30 pages because I am gradually publishing my transcriptions in this case Landkey and North Molton. 

Broke up my work sessions with my exercise sessions so the day went along very well. I think that this process is working very well for me. The learning curve has been good preparation for writing the next two books. 

The day did pass very quickly though I must admit. Hopefully this last section will not take too much longer as I would like to get into the proofreading and indexing. The Book although fascinating does need to be finished as my mind is slipping away towards the Pincombe and Blake books. Too tempting for sure. But overall it has been interesting to work through all these generations and to actually link Robert Siderfin and his wife Elizabeth Question back to their correct line in the family tree. 

Snow was promised but not sure that we will get very much. It would be nice to get out skiing but it is just the start of December so not really an expected happening. 

Breakfast soon and a new day of work.


Tuesday, September 19, 2023

Seventh Generation completed

 One more item proving the line of John Siderfin Junior married to Mary Chapman was their Marriage Contract witnessed by John Siderfin Junior of Wootton Courtney, Robert Siderfin of Timberscombe and George Chapman of Wootton Courtney. With that there is sufficient proof that he was the son of John 6 Siderfin (Robert 5, William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1). One more small hiccup was the children of Robert Siderfin and Elizabeth (Question) Siderfin. James Sanders had a Joan Siderfin as one of their daughters but she is not mentioned in either will abstract. Not sure whom she actually is but she married John Passmore at Minehead which was a little unusual for this family which generally married in Selworthy or Wootton Courtney. That being resolved the addition of the new John Siderfin Junior married to Joan (unknown) and being a likely older son of John Siderfin Junior married to Mary Chapman worked out very well without a lot of reworking. The two children that they baptized at Wootton Courtney were neatly moved to this John and a slight renumbering but no difficulty. What seemed like a major task quickly disappeared with the removal of Joan from James Sanders' Pedigree Chart as a daughter of Robert and Elizabeth (Question) Siderfin. Moving forward onto the Eighth Generation but will not do much today as yesterday was a heavy day on the fiche reader. These eyes are not getting any younger. 

No news yet on my eye tests perhaps another month or so although my daughter did mention that there is a long waiting list for the cataract replacement which was why I decided to follow through from the Optometrist recommendation and go ahead getting that started last January. It was a funny sort of thing as he said that he would recommend me next January but then said he had  not recommended me two years earlier because Edward was going to go for cataract surgery although my eyes also needed that. I usually go every year but it just didn't happen and ended up being two years. Like my colonoscopy last year I had let the office know I would go ahead in November last year and got the call with a date in late April so six months sounds like the waiting period for that particular procedure. Since I have had eye strain before when I spend too much time on the fiche reader I am not alarmed just need to rest my eyes today and it is the big cleaning day so that works very well. My sister said that the eyes get stronger before they start weakening. I can tell that my sight is not quite as good as it was and given my not really great sight without glasses I do pay attention. I used to be able to distinguish song birds readily that were half way down the back garden which is about 30 metres but now it is likely only 15 to 20 metres with my glasses on of course. Without glasses I would not be able to distinguish that. However, unlike when I was a child and could not read anything without glasses I can read large letters but it was probably more that I was only three or four years old and did not have a history of knowledge of letters to fall back on!

On to the day, jumping jacks, tea and then solitaire games if my eyes want to do that. Then jumping jacks once again and breakfast and cleaning. Sounds like a busy day. Still receiving about 100 emails a day some of which get put into a must do folder. I do answer all of them eventually; sometimes interesting tidbits come my way but mostly it is requests for information with probably 70% of them being either spam or close to it or groups that I belong to or political from the Conservatives or the Liberals. Interesting to read but I have my opinion of the kind of leaders that we need and fiscal conservatism comes high on that list. 



Sunday, September 17, 2023

The most unforgiveable action

Although all of the acts performed against the Ukrainian people since Russia invaded their sacred land are criminal the one that is actually a crime against the world is the destruction of food. No country has the right to destroy food that would feed the millions. For that they should be condemned in the highest levels; the United Nations should condemn them for that action in particular. Let us now in this time of plenty condemn what could be the tipping point of our very existence in the future - the wanton destruction of food done out of jealousy and greed; the very imperatives of the Nazi Putin and his enablers. Very rapidly Putin is stripping from the history of the Russian people some of their great acts which they performed in the Second World War. Their Nazi invasion of Ukraine is unforgiveable as it continues; forgiveness can only come when the sacred land of Ukraine is free once again.

I was very pleased to see the Secretary General of NATO say what is the obvious - so long as Ukraine fights she is free; if Russia stopped fighting and left the sacred land of Ukraine then this war would be over. Glory to Ukraine and may she survive for ever. 

Yesterday I worked on the seventh generation of the Siderfin family. After a great deal of thought I have added an individual for whom there is no data other than a note in his step-grandmother's will that he had a daughter Joane. He has to be a new person because the parish registers of Wootton Courtney name the two children that were baptized by John and Joan Siderfin as Mary and Joane with Mary being buried before this will was written. I was trying to avoid doing that but of necessity and for a clean look I needed to add an individual whose name would be John because of two baptisms that do not belong to Robert Siderfin and Joanna (Kittener) Siderfin which is where James Sanders has placed the two baptisms. That lets me move forward through the Seventh Generation otherwise I am bogged down and that doesn't work when you are revising/editing/writing any book. John 6 Siderfin married twice with the first marriage in 1683 and the first known baptism from the marriage of John Siderfin and Mary (Chapman) Siderfin was Robert in 1688. Hard to believe there wasn't at least one child born before Robert and so it is a John to fit the available information (and to work timewise as the children were baptized in 1714 and 1716 (a John born between 1683 and 1688 would be 25 to 30 years old in 1713). I have no idea where the abstract for this will came from either although I suspect land records as the bulk of the step-Grandmother's estate went to Edmund Cording (no ideas of the relationship) and he was the executor. The property was primarily in Exton where she lived before marriage. 

Moving forward slowly but surely to the time when the Parish Registers were more complete and then the census with its incredible ability to give me a view into each household.  With the help of one of the descendants of the Robert-Thomas Line I hope to have as complete a listing as possible of the descendants of  the last male Siderfin with male children carrying on the Siderfin name - namely Robert Siderfin (born 1658) married to Elizabeth Question. For the most part the Siderfin family remained in Somerset into census time as far as I can tell and James Sanders had the same experience in his research as he could have had access to the census up to 1901. 

Chicken Stew last night and for the next three days as it makes so much. I do like chicken stew and went out and found a couple of dozen small carrots from the patch that we planted for the rabbits and added them as I had run out of carrots. The garden is definitely coming to an end although the sunflowers are still going strong but soon the seeds will be ready and the squirrels will harvest them. 

Another Sunday and Church on You-Tube. The Bible Readings have been mostly Old Testament that come into my mailbox each day. Perhaps I should start to read all of the daily readings instead of concentrating on the one sent to me by the Canadian Bible Society. Although I like to read the Old Testament it was written so long ago and the history surrounding much of those times is not as well known to me as the New Testament. Jumping Jacks and tea and a little computer time before breakfast.

Tuesday, July 4, 2023

Happy Fourth of July to my American Cousins and Neighbours

Happy 4th of July to our American Neighbours; may their day be lovely. I do have second cousins in the United States and also fourth cousins in the same line - Buller. My maternal grandmother's youngest sister Sarah went to the United States with her half-sister's family (they went to Chicago) and she met and married her husband there. Just one granddaughter in that family living now and her family living in Connecticut. My fourth cousin's family is much larger and they live in Texas. I do have many cousins there looking at the DNA but they tend to be more distant although good DNA matches (more like 5th and 6th cousins).

Foggy out there today, getting even heavier as the sun rises, and air quality at 63 but no rain in the forecast after all so will likely water. Gardening is never my favourite thing for sure. I pulled out a huge bundle of wild daisies yesterday that were trying to crowd out the Hosta. Today I shall have to put a little time into weeding. I have actually spent more time on research this summer than for nearly ten years - my daughter has helped with the weeding. All of this gardening is in general for her as I can not get inspired to garden beyond keeping the weeds down around the plants. The Black Walnut provides too much shade in the yard now along with our maple tree at the back that the growing ability is somewhat limited in the garden anyway. Hosta does well but not much else. But that being said the Sunflowers are doing really well and the flower heads are starting to form as the leaf network grows rapidly upward. 

The Blake Newsletter was published yesterday, Volume 12 Issue 3 for this year. The Guest Article is such a treat and there is still Part III to come. I only write about my own line for the most part although do do research on the other Blake lines. Since my Pincombe line comes together with the Siderfin-Question marriage - Nicholas Blake married Jone Question (and they are my 7th great uncle and aunt) so not in my direct line but it is the Somerset Blake family so have done a little work on them. The next newsletter is the Kipp Newsletter and should also be H11 but I have already produced the single issue I am going to do for the moment (not published, waiting for Russia to get out of Ukraine) and the next issue will be 1st of February 2024. This Kipp issue will talk about the Y-700 test that was done on Edward's DNA and the fascinating results. Ancient Norwegian ancestry (so Viking) and that was often the thought in this family - the only change that Edward found was that the family was actually Hendricksen when they came to New Holland/New Amsterdam in the late 1630s/ early 1640s and the Kip surname was an added name to distinguish the family from other Hendricksen families in New Amsterdam. So that information will be published. Will start to think about that later in the month.  

Yesterday was cleaning day and all accomplished with just the basement to do today. It was interesting running the vacuum with the air purifiers going as it barely registered that I was cleaning but I do have a good vacuum with a HEPA filter plus another filter inside where the bag fills which keeps the dust from going back into the room. As well you can close a plastic ring on the rod which increases the suction and prevents backfeed from the rod as well. It was an interesting experience actually in just how well these air purifiers work. We have not had any smell of smoke inside at all. The doors and windows are kept closed and we do not go out a lot when the air quality shows above 75 except to feed the birds and do any other chores outside. 

Must order the document from the National Archives - put them into my notes as I forgot yesterday. It will be interesting since it is 1653 and Robert and Ursula Siderfin along with John Siderfin. I had mulled around the thought that the Robert buried in 1636 might be the son but finally thought it was more likely the father but that now appears to be unlikely as the document mentions Robert and Ursula Siderfin like a unit. 

Must work on my solitaire games; I decided to blog first. 


Monday, July 3, 2023

An interesting will that I had not yet transcribed

Looking about in the Archival records at Somerset and the National Archives of the UK I discovered that I had forgotten to transcribe the will of Robert Siderfin (of Croydon) probated in 1721. I decided to work at that and noted in that quick look that one of the witnesses was Augustin Siderfin and these two men would be 1st cousins twice removed. Why did he choose Augustin Siderfin who was then 29 years of age?  Perhaps because he was a school teacher and his father (still living) may have asked him to sign as a witness instead of Robert himself who by then would have been 61 years of age and perhaps not able to make the trip to his cousin's home at Croydon (Robert (father of Augustin) lived at Selworthy). Walter Siderfin was still alive at Timberscombe at this time and a first cousin three times removed. It is an interesting happening actually. Since both Robert, the testator, and his brother Thomas were heavily in debt when they died there could be reasons for Walter to not become involved; no ideas on that. But it is rather interesting that Robert, the testator, did call upon Augustin Siderfin (third son of Robert and Elizabeth (Question) Siderfin) to witness his will. 

A search of the archival records brought something forward that was also rather interesting. I found a record for a Robert Syderfin and Ursula his wife. I probably did not do the search with the y in the first i position or I just did not see the significance of the record earlier. This is from 1653 and includes John Syderfin (no wife mentioned). The property was in Timberscombe. In 1653 Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) was/would soon be married to an Elizabeth (unknown). In 1653 Robert 4 (Robert 3, William 2, John 1) would be 66 years of age (he married Ursula Webber when he was 24 years of age). His son John would be 34 years of age and in that Thomasine was buried in 1709 I do suspect that John likely married late with their (John and Thomasine) son Robert being baptized in 1658. I am curious now if the burial in 1636 was the older son of Robert at Minehead rather than Robert married to Ursula and the John with them in the query would be their then only son John. It does raise a few questions although I will continue to stick with the idea that it was Robert the son of William who was father to Robert at East Linch and Walter at Timberscombe (as this line tended to use the designation of Robert the Elder and Robert the Younger). This family was generally at Minehead (Robert, Ursula and their three children). Why they are involved in property in Timberscombe is a mystery and I will attempt to learn more about this particular property. It is known that Robert of East Linch and Robert of  Timberscombe were the children of Robert and Elizabeth (likely Blackford) Siderfin who buried their two sons at Selworthy (Robert and Walter) in 1714 and 1731 respectively. Robert and Ursula were being required to make an answer to some complaint by Alexander Francke in the Court of Chancery and it may overall have nothing to do particularly with the property at Timberscombe occupied later by Walter. It is tempting to purchase the item though so may pursue that. Family details in an answer might be very interesting. In that same year Alexander Francke was plaintiff in a case that involved Thomas Siderfin and others - property in East Lincke in Timberscombe, again an answer. There are also two Francke wills that could be interesting - one in 1584 and one in 1637. I had not really expected to find so much interesting material and should not have overlooked Syderfin. Most of the material does not assist me with individual items that I am looking at. The only really interesting one was with Robert and Ursula. If Robert (born 1616 at Minehead) is the Robert deceased in 1636 and buried at Luxborough then this document does become very interesting and there would just be the son John still living from this Robert-Line (in the 1640s) which is in fact what James Sanders indicated. The other interesting item is that the Siderfin family from which I descend (namely from Selworthy and the Robert Siderfin and Elizabeth (Question) Siderfin line did have property at Minehead (near Bratton) where they lived (some of the adult children of Robert Siderfin and Grace (Kent) Siderfin lived there including Elizabeth (Siderfin) Rew (my 3x great grandmother) and her family. 

So very interesting and I may order that document from the National Archives. I am settled with my thoughts on these generations and will just finish up with moving the various items that belong to the particular generations that James Sanders had in his book. If there are any surprises the changes would be relatively easy. I did complete the transcription of the will of Robert Siderfin of Croyden. No surprises in that will as he, like his older brother Thomas, were known to have died deeply in debt and his widow refused to administer the estate. He does not mention a daughter Elizabeth which is telling one might think.

Recorded: 2 Jul 2023
Source: National Archives, UK, PROB 11/580/280
Place: Croyden, Somerset
Type of Record: Will
Dated: 14 Jun 1715, Probated 22 Jun 1721
Tm: Roberti Siderfin

1    In the Name of God Amen
2    I Robert Siderfin of Croyden in the County of Somerset Esq[uir]e do whilst I have an
3    opportunity and am (praised be God) of sound and disposing mind and memory
4    hereby revoak all former Will and Wills whatsoever by me already made and
5    do declare the same to be null and void to all intents constructions and
6    purposes whatsoever and do make publish and declare this my last Will
7    and Testament in manner and form following that is to say in the first
8    place I commend my Soul into the hands of God who gave it hopeing
9    thro the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ my Saviour and Redeemer
10    to obtain Eternall Salvation and my body I desire may receive a decent
11    interment at the discretion of my Executrix herein after named and as
12    touching such worldly Estate and Goods as God in his mercy hath blessed
13    me with and are now in my own disposall I Give devise and Bequeath
14    the same in manner and form following Viz [a vi]t Imprimis I do Will and
15    appoint that all my just debts shall be discharged and satisfied and do
16    hereby Charge all my Estate both reall and personall with the payment
17    of the same Item whereas on my marriage with Ann my third Wife
18    the daughter of Sir John Wittewrong of Rowthemstead in the County
19    of Hertford Barr[iste]r I obliged myself to pay the Sum of one thousand
20    pounds unto such Child Children or Grandchildren of the said Sir John
21    Wittewrong as I and the said Ann my late Wife of the survivor of us
22    should appoint now I do hereby give and Bequeath unto Ellen the
23    daughter of Samuel Gibbs of Horsley Park in the County of Essex Esq[uir]e
24    and now or late Wife of John Cook of Swifts near Cranbrook  in the same
25    County Esq[uir]e the Sum of four hundred pounds part of the said one thousand
26    pounds Item I Give and Bequeath unto the said Samuel Gibbs and
27    John Cooke the Sum of three hundred pounds other part of the said
28    one thousand pounds In Trust that they and the Survivor of them his
29    Executors and Assigns shall putt and place out the same at Interest
30    on the best securitys they can procur for the same and shall pay and
31    dispose of the Interest thereof from time to time to and for the sole
32    and separate use of Mary Crompton Grandaughter of the said Sir
33    John Wittewrong and now Wife of John Crompton late of Cheapsyde
34    London for the Term of her naturall life so as that her said husband John
35    Crompton shall not intermeddle or have any thing to bother with
36    after her death It is my Will that the said three hundred pounds shall be paid
37    and equally divided unto and amongst the three children of her the said
38    Mary Crompton that now live with her share and share alike Item I
39    Give unto the three children of the eldest daughter of James Wittewrong
40    Of Lincolnes Inn in the County of Middlesex Esq[uir]e by Thomas Bennett
41    late husband the Sum of Fifty pounds apiece of her parcel of the said one
42    thousand pounds Item I give unto all the Children that are now living
43    of Ellen the Wife of Henry Foxcroft of Calcott in the County of South[amp]ton
44    England the daughter of the said James Wittewrong the Sum of one
45    hundred and fifty pounds residue of the said one thousand pounds to be
46    equally divided between them share and share alike all which and several
47    Legacies making up the said one thousand pounds shall be paid unto the
48    respective persons to whom the same are hereinbefore given at such
49    time as is directed and appointed in and by the marriage Settlement before
50    made on my marriage with the said Anne my late Wife as aforesaid
51    Item I give unto the poor of the parish of Carhampton the Sum of five
52    pounds to be distributed amongst them by my Executrix hereinafter
53    named Within one Month next after my decease Item I give unto my
54    two Nephews James Darch and Philip Darch the Sum of one hundred
55    pounds apeice to be paid unto them within one year after my decease
56    or as soon after as the same can be raised by Sale of my Lands apointed
57    for payment of my debts with Interest for the same to be accounted
58    from the end of one year after my death in case the said Legacyes shall
59    not be raised and paid before that time Item I Give devise and bequeath
60    unto Elizabeth my now Wife her heirs and Assigns for ever all and every
61    my Mannors Messuages Lands Tenements and hereditaments w[hat]soever
62    scituate and being within the Countys of Somerset and Devon or either
63    of them or elsewhere within the Kingdom of great Britain subject
64    Nevertheless unto and chargeable with the payment of my just debts and
65    Legacyes hereby given that my personall Estate will not be sufficient to
66    answer and pay Item I Give unto each and every Servant that shall be
67    living with me in house at the time of my decease the sum of forty shillings
68    apiece to be paid unto them respectively within one Year after my death
69    Item all the rest and residue of my Lands tenements Goods Chattells reall
70    personal and Testamentary Estate whatsoever not herein before given
71    or bequeathed I Give Devise and Bequeath unto the said Elizabeth my dear
72    Wife whom I make constitute and appoint whole and sole Executrix of
73    this my last Will and Testament In Witness whereof I have to this my
74    Will contained in two Sheets of paper to each Sheet subscribed and sett
75    my hand and Seal the fourteenth day of June in the first year of the raigne
76    of our Soveraign Lord George by the grace of God King of great Britain
77    France and Ireland defender of the Faith etc anno domini 1715 Rob Siderfin
78    Signed Sealed Published and declared by the said Robert Siderfin to be his
79    Last Will and Testament in the presence of us who subscribed our names as
80    Witnesses thereto in the presence of him the said Testator Jo: Wyatt Sam.
81    _land Ben: Bowden Augustin Siderfin
82    Vicesimo secondo die Mensis Junij Anno domino
83    millesimo septingentesimo vicesimo primo Emanavit Comisso Roberto
84    Darch Creditor principal Roberti Siderfin nuper de Croyden in Comitati
85    Somersetia armigen defuncti habentis etc ad administrandium bona
84    iura  et credita dicti defuncti juxta tenorum et effectum Testamenti
85    ipsius defuncti pro quod  Elizabetha Siderfin Relicta dicta defuncti Executrix
86    inura et Legatario residuarius in dicto Testamento nominat onus
87    executionis ejusdem expresse renunciante de bene et fideliter Administrando
88    eadem ad Sancta dei Evangelia vigore Commissionis Jurat

I will likely add this will transcription to the book as it is rather interesting. I do get a hint of irony reading the will. Robert and his wife Ann did not have any children although the marriage was a fairly long one and one is left with the impression that it was a happy marriage. Perhaps his desire to pay the one thousand pounds was most genuine and I have no idea if sufficient funds were found by his Darch nephews to do so. It was a shame that he did not record information on the Siderfin Family in the will - perhaps saying something about Augustin Siderfin who traveled to witness the will for his first cousin twice removed. Robert Darch administered the will and there will be more about his handling of the estate as all of that information was collected and published by James Sanders. 

Invoice for the will of Robert Siderfin the Elder to be extracted from the land records and scanned paid. It may be a while as they have a large queue but I have a lot of work to do and it will be a queue for the land record that includes Robert and Ursula Siderfin and John which I will likely order today. If they do support my hypothesis I may just make a notation unless the will is very interesting in which case I would seek permission to publish the transcription. The Somerset Archives search engine is excellent and very straight forward to use - the records are very well organized.

Read the Church Service and sang the hymns and it reminds me of doing so all through COVID before the You-Tube services began. I did think about going online and finding a different service but I rather enjoyed the trip down memory lane of doing the service by myself - what is between God and you is a treasured moment in time for each and every person. Our commitment is life-long to God as all that is asked of us is to love God with all our heart, all our soul, all our mind and all our strength and to love our neighbour as ourself. In return for God's gifts to us through the ages it is very little to ask of us. 

May peace come to the world once again. Glory to Ukraine.

Wednesday, June 21, 2023

And back again to the Siderfin Book

 Today poor air quality once again so inside days which is pretty much fine with me I like being indoors working away on my research and breaking it up with lots of exercise to maintain my level of fitness such as it is! At nearly 78 one doesn't expect to be able to run a marathon so to speak - I have never run one; 10 km is far enough for me. 

The Fifth Generation and William Siderfin and who is he? He lives at Minehead which was Robert 5 (Robert 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) at the time of the Protestation Return of 1641 and the Somerset Lay Subsidy of 1642. His will probated in 1723 when his stated age was 45 (I am looking at a transcription which does have its problems as original is better but that will was destroyed in the bombing of the Exeter Record Office in 1942) so born circa 1678. Robert 5 was baptized in 1616 at Minehead so a son for him would be in the 1640s  or late 1630s and he could be a father to William born circa 1678. William and his wife Mary (Terrell) Siderfin named their son Robartt. The will abstract attributed to this William Siderfin has the will dated 9 Mar 1716 and proved 17 Dec 1723. He mentions a niece Rachael Clothier and his wife Mary. Executor is Wilmot Siderfin. (Frederick Brown, Reverend: Abstracts of Somerset Wills, Series 3, page 90). 

I am starting to comprehend that William's ancestry may not have a ready solution and I may have to just have him as an individual at the level of the Sixth Generation with no known relationship back to the Fifth Generation. He does not leave any descendants it appears so easily done but does seem a little untidy!

I will make that decision today or tomorrow and then move on to the Thomas-line because I now know that he did not seal his will with three cups at least it isn't in the abstract of the will. Once the Thomas-line has been filled in with anything that I know then I will move on to the Seventh Generation. There are complexities in that generation as well but gradually we will see that the known descendants that one finds in the records all come down from Robert Siderfin and Elizabeth (Question) Siderfin. 

An event helped me to see that I am starting to put a date stamp on my research in some ways. Gradually the feelers that I send out into the available material will diminish and I will continue to concentrate on my goals without regard to the present research that I do now do on a regular basis. I need to continue to downsize so that I am ready for the next step in my life; whatever it may be. I like to avoid confusion if I can and I still have far too much material for a one-room concept if that is my future. Like everyone else the future is clouded for me - one can see various routes but the actual one continues to be unknown. That is satisfactory to me; I do not actually have to know where I will be in six months or what I will be doing. I work in the here and now and that works best for me. 

Summer is when we notice Climate Change mostly in Canada. It becomes warmer each year and the Arctic ice is predicted to be gone in the summer by 2030. That is not so far away now; we need to be ready for an ice free northern passage; more ships and bases in the north for sure. The winters though will likely continue to be very cold and the new ice each year with the resultant icebergs will be a slightly new adventure and one for which we are as a country uniquely familiar. Our military is our lifeblood really as they come to the aid of Canadians in so many ways. They need to be properly supplied. 

On to the day and breakfast. I am late today. Second set of jumping jacks next.

Friday, June 9, 2023

Continuing saga of Siderfin family and just which Robert is which

 An amazing day yesterday working on the Siderfin Pedigree Chart. Everything seemed to fall into place and the tree has shifted slightly just from one John to another really; from the Robert line to the William line and everything clicked together because of will abstracts and transfer of land both in a logical fashion. Time may introduce more factors but I rather believe that my thoughts are concrete and will stand the test of time; but will actually leave that up to time as it is with all things.

The next individual to examine in detail is William Siderfin said to be a son of John Siderfin baptized in 1656 (on James Sanders' Pedigree Chart). Again there does not appear to be a baptism for a William Siderfin but his marriage is recorded in the Selworthy Parish registers. His will was probated in 1723. The will of his wife was probated in 1747. The goal today is to work on this William Siderfin.


I am going with James Sanders on the idea that Robert (baptized 15 Dec 1688 at Selworthy, buried 7 Mar 1731) at East Lynch and Walter (buried 14 Mar 1731, Selworthy) at Timberscombe are siblings although he does attach them to a John Siderfin born 1656 and Mary (unknown). That these two sons belong in the William Line given that William’s eldest son Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) was at East Lynch and Timberscombe. William’s wife Christian (Webber) Siderfin in her will does mention that Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1)’s children were: Robert, Wilmot and John which is eerily reminiscent of the three children of Robert 4 (Robert 3, William 2, John 1) with Wilmot baptized 1614, Robert 1616 and John 1619 at Minehead. However, Robert 4 (Robert 3, William 2, John 1) was baptized in 1587 and Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) was baptized in 1611. Interesting the name similarity of course.

James Sander includes the following information in his book:

[ In the Carhampton Hundred Benevolence granted, Charles II., 1662 :   

Robert Syderfin    Minehead    2s    6d
Robert Syderfin    Timberscombe    5s    0d
Wm. Syderfin    Luxborough    10s    0d
Thos. Syderfin    Luxborough    10s    0d

[ Eastern Division. - Thomas Syderfin, of Luxborough, Esq., Barrister of Law, do the present to his Magestie 20s in hand paid.]

To keep with the likely placement Robert 5 (Robert 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) at Minehead, Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) at Timberscombe, William 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) at Luxborough, and Thomas 4 (Robert 3, William 2, John 1) at Luxborough. This particular tax was said to be applied during the reign of Charles II although I only found a reference to a Benevolence Fund in 1622 but I do need to have a look at the records at the Family History Centre. It does account for the only living son of Robert 3 – Thomas 4 at Luxborough, William 4’s sons Robert 5 and William 5 at Timberscombe and Luxborough respectively and Robert 4’s son Robert 5 at Minehead. John 5 is excluded because he is not recorded as having any property in Selworthy or elsewhere thus far.

The will of Augustine Question does refer to his son in law Robert Siderfin and daughter Elizabeth (Question) Siderfin and his grandchildren which matches Thomasine’s son Robert and grandchildren mentioned in the will of Thomasine. This will be presented in full in the next generation. Robert’s and Elizabeth’s eldest son was Robert and their second son was John and the third son Augustine which is rather interesting (since John and Augustine could have been the parents of Robert and Elizabeth respectively (Augustine Question certainly was the father of Elizabeth)).

James Sanders does omit the grandchildren mentioned by Christian (Webber) Siderfin widow of William 4 in his chart and writeup. He used only an abstract of Christian’s will which is a mystery. But London was a long way away and the abstract was handy in Brown, Rev. Frederick. Abstracts of Somerset Wills Series 106, 3rd Series. A cautionary tale for sure to always go to the original document. 

Today I shall alter my Legacy File to reflect these changes of the last couple of days and move on to William Siderfin who married Mary Terrell and does appear to be one of the first to use the crest attributed to the Siderfin Family. Does he belong to the William Line as William was the eldest son of Robert 3 (William 2, John 1). When the crest was actually created is a mystery to me at this time and I may pursue information on that particular item or leave it to the future to be discovered. 

I also want to continue working on my Ancestry file to bring my second test there up to date with all of the other results that I have there for myself and my three siblings. I do find Ancestry interesting. Their database is huge and the number of matches that we have that are significant is small as expected since three of my grandparents were born in England along with my father. I have few collateral lines that came to the American and Canadian colonies so readily tracked at the second cousin level. But we do have matches with American lines in particular probably because of endogamy in my Routledge and Knight family lines. I also have a few more distant (fourth cousin) Buller lines there with whom I correspond which is most interesting. Quite a few matches in Australia and New Zealand as well although primarily on my father's side but some on my mother's side - the proportion though is heavily slanted towards my paternal lines. The largest portion of my matches continue to be in the British Isles and primarily England. Ancestry does show that picture very well because they have such a large database. But of course I can not actually see the matches unless individuals take their results into another database which some do do. So I probably look more carefully at the aspects that I can see there. 

Smoke is gone for the moment and hopefully the rains that we are due to receive (normal June weather) along with the cooler air (also normal to June) will control the wildfire. Wildfire does serve its purpose of regeneration of forests but too much can be quite a hazard especially for our First Nations who do tend to live in the more heavily treed and less populated parts of Canada. The garden has certainly sucked up all that  moisture and is hungrily waiting for more. It always amazes me to see the plants double in size in such a short period of time but Mother Nature's refreshing rain is better than any watering that I can do. The trees are still this morning waiting hopefully for more rain I am sure. God's world is all around us and we must take good care of it. Thank you God. Thank you also for King Charles III who will do a fantastic job as he has for all of his life supporting the preservation of the Earth  - its flora and fauna, its huge oceans and giant land masses. His support of the youth has always been a tribute to him I think. He never thinks of himself walking right up to the protesters with their signs - he is a bold one like all of the great Kings and Queens that are his forebearers. 

Thursday, June 8, 2023

Siderfin and location

Yesterday I spent quite a bit of time thinking about the Pedigree Chart that James Sanders included in his book. The beginning four generations can be put together from the available records and ending generations coming down from Robert Siderfin and Elizabeth (Question) Siderfin also flow quite well with a few limitations but that central fifth generation has always struck me as somewhat peculiar. I think yesterday I really concentrated on the property attached to their names for the first time now that I have looked so completely at the first four generations.

 Clearly, John Siderfin (Robert 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) found on the Protestation Returns at Selworthy in 1641 but not paying a Somerset Lay Subsidy in 1642 at Selworthy is likely still in Selworthy.  He doesn’t appear anywhere else. I have not been able to identify a marriage for John and Thomasine and Thomasine is a common forename in this Somerset area in this time frame. John 5 (Robert 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) was the younger son of Robert baptized in 1619 at Minehead and probably did not inherit anything from his father Robert other than a good education perhaps – this line does become schoolmasters in the generations to follow. Checking the Discovery Catalogue at the Archives of the United Kingdom does not reveal any material for a John Siderfin in this time frame (no property interactions). At this point in time the family drops into the background as they are not landowners and known to be schoolmasters at Selworthy. 

Looking then at the Pedigree Chart:


 This is one of the images that I took when we visited the Allen County Public Library in Illinois, USA in 2009. The opportunity to do so was something we did not wish to miss and I was still doing the Siderfin one name study and knew that there was a copy of James Sanders book at this library. I was not disappointed. Edward had a lot of Kipp material that he wanted to look at there and was hopeful that I would help with that I can remember and I did. My list was quite short since most of my families were recently in England so not really much material on my lines but there were a couple of books that I wanted to photograph. We spent four days in that library and really did glean a lot of interesting material for Edward and for myself. We went back again several years later and again acquired some interesting material. Definitely a library that should not be missed if the opportunity comes by. 

The Chart can be a little more clearly seen in this image than most of the other images that I have acquired. One is left to surmise that copies of this chart were hand formed and then bound in with the book. The top line of the chart on the left are the children of the Worth-Siderfin marriage in the William-Line (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1). That is pretty much all that you see of this line and I had not really concentrated on the property that was mentioned in the next large line directly below the Worth-Siderfin children. One notes that Robert married to Joanna Kittener is of East Lynch (Joanna is of Wotton Courtney) passing by John and Maria Winter and looking at Walter said to be of Timberscombe married to Alice Quirke of Minehead. Thinking back to Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) and that Robert was on the Protestation Return at Timberscombe along with his son Robert. The Somerset Subsidy of 1642 also listed these two Roberts at Timberscombe. However, on this chart the Robert married to Joanna Kittener is listed as the son of a John Siderfin baptized 1656 at Wootton Courtney and his wife Mary. Finally lights are going on and I am thinking to myself what if James Sanders is mistaken and this is the second son of Robert at Timberscombe identified in his grandmother's will as John? For Robert married to Joanna Kittener to be at East Lynch he really needs to be descendant of the William-Line according to the usual practice of primogeniture and the passing of property from one generation to the next. Now John is the younger son but what if Robert 5 decided to split his property between his two sons - unusual but certainly did occur. Timberscombe was the larger property so East Lynch going to John sounds reasonable much more reasonable than it suddenly being owned by a descendant of the Robert - Line (namely Robert 4  (Robert 3, William 2, John 1) Robert 4 was generally found at Minehead and Wootton Courtney and his sons Robert 5 at Minehead/Wootton Courtney on any records and John 5 at Selworthy). 

 


One could wish for clearer images but not having an original copy of the book to take better closeup photos this has to suffice. Looking at this crop/enlargement of the left hand side of the chart above one notes the beginning of this line with John of Wootton Courty b about 1614 which doesn't work for the line that it actually goes back to namely Robert 4 (Robert 3, William 2, John 1). That John was baptized at Minehead in 1619. I actually conclude in my mind at this point that this John does not exist. There isn't a John baptized in 1614 at Wootton Courtney and to the best of my knowledge in 1614 this line is at Luxborough and Minehead principally. Looking up in Ancestry at the original Wootton Courtney registers which commence in 1558. The first mention of Siderfin in Wootton Courtney is Thomas Siderfin JP in the course of his duties as Justice of the Peace (Thomas 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1). I did note the lack of baptisms and burials with most records in the earliest pages being banns and marriages. I do have the fiche for Wootton Courtney and Stoate's transcriptions. Whilst looking at these records on Ancestry I did note that individuals from Timberscombe did come to Wootton Courtney for marriages and as I looked through the fiche I discovered that the first Siderfin entry was John Siderfin son of John baptized 15 Jul 1656 (no entries prior to that date for Siderfin in baptisms and these registers started in 1558). Mary Syderfin is next 26 Jun 1714 daughter of John Siderfin junior and Joan. Baptisms for the children of this children continue over the next years. Most baptisms were at Luxborough in those early years with the change coming after the Commonwealth under Oliver Cromwell when all births were required to be registered at the secular office of a particular parish. However, a number of individuals continued to baptize their children at Church but did tend to be the more obscure parishes. Eventually, before publishing I will look at the original parish registers on fiche just to verify but want to have all my records in a file so that I do not miss any.  I continue with my suspicion that this John baptized at Wootton Courtney in 1656 was actually the son of John 6 (Robert 5, William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1). The dates for this grouping John 6 to John 1 would look like circa 1630s, 1611, 1585, 1540s, 1510s, 1400s. A reasonable range of dates for these generations. 

Looking at the arrangement that James Sanders has created would be John baptized at Wootton Courtney in 1656 and the son of John 5, Robert 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1). The dates for this grouping would be 1619 (James Sanders has 1614), 1587, 1540s, 1510, 1400s. Not impossible John would have only been 42 (James Sanders 1614) or 37 (actual baptism for this John). Both scenarios work time wise. The only reason for the change is the presence of a Robert Siderfin married to Joanna Kittener at East Lynch which traditionally in this Siderfin family belonged to the William-Line (William 4). William 4's son Robert senior and his grandson Robert junior are found at Timberscombe both on the Protestation Return of 1641 and the Somerset Lay Subsidy of 1642. These two Roberts are found in the records at the Archives of the UK at Timberscombe and East Lynch as these two properties were apparently in the occupation of this Siderfin line in this time frame. This younger son of Robert 5 is mentioned in his grandmother Christian (Webber) Siderfin's will written in 1644 and probated in 1648. How the younger son acquired East Lynch I will now go back into the Records held by the Archives of the United Kingdom and see if there are any clues. I do know they exist for Robert Siderfin at Timberscombe and East Lynch just from memory but was John mentioned and I will obtain that answer. John 6 (Robert 5, William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) has named his son Robert and this baptism exists 15 Dec 1688 at Selworthy when his father would have been 30 years of age with his mother being an unknown Mary. That will be my next followup after checking out the Archives material. John Siderfin as a stand alone search name does not produce any results other than those already known from the 1500s. East Lynch does have a number of interesting records over a long time period but the Siderfin name does not form part of the search function. I will look at British History Online next. No information on East Lynch as a stand alone area in Somerset in British History Online. Genuki was my next choice and East Lynch does not have its own page but Timberscombe does. Checking out this website and then went to a search for East Lynch Farm and it is recorded as being at Selworthy with a history from post medieval to modern - 1540 AD to the present. East Lynch farm appears to be closer to Selworthy than Timberscombe but that doesn't affect who occupied it in the late 1600s into the 1700s. It does account for baptisms being celebrated at Selworthy though or Wootton Courtney which lies between Selworthy and Timberscombe. Having done this interesting survey I will, for the moment, go with the idea that the Robert at East Lynch, baptized at Selworthy, son of John and Mary (unknown) Siderfin is descendant of the William 4 line.

There are problems with this argument perhaps as Robert Siderfin at East Lynch could simply have picked up the lease as the actual ownership can not be determined from afar one would need to go through the land records. But given the status of John 5 (Robert 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) at Selworthy as a schoolmaster it is unlikely that he would have had the financial ability to pick up the lease as it does appear to be a substantial property. Plus Thomasine names Robert Siderfin at East Lynch as a cousin rather than a sibling-in-law in her will abstract. So attaching Robert at East Lynch to the William-Line makes a lot of sense (and he would be the son of a cousin in that case). 

I think the next direction to go in is this marriage of a John Siderfin and Mary (unknown) parents of Robert at East Lynch in the latter part of the 1600s. Information available on James Sanders Pedigree Chart for John b 1656 and for Mary b 1648 and died 1717. Checking out the text of James Sanders for any references to these two individuals that he has added to the book.  

1717. In Wootton Courtney church, on a stone in the floor of the nave: - Here lyeth the body of Mary, the wife of John Siderfin, of this Parish, who departed this life Oct. 3rd, 1717, aged 69 years.

I also found an item which likely directed James Sanders towards the idea that this John was descendant of the Robert 4 line. It is entitled by James Sanders as Freeholders in Selworthy: Now, besides the rector in right of his glebe, the only freeholders left in the parish other than the owner of the three manors, are the Clarke and Stoate families. The Clarkes, as already stated, have for a long period lived on their property at West Lynch (while a branch of their family have also occupied East Lynch) and have for many generations taken a leading and honourable part in the affairs of the valley. The Stoates, too, have been connected with the parish for a great number of years. The last of the Selworthy branch of the family, old "Counsellor Stoate," as he was always called, lived at Allerford and must have been somewhat of a character. He was also a man of considerable substance. Another old family connected with the parish is that of Siderfin. This family is probably an offshoot of the family of Siderfin of Croydon, in the parish of Timberscombe, a family of some importance in our district in the seventeenth century.

The reference to Siderfin of Croydon is the Thomas 4 line and no ideas on why this might direct James Sanders towards the Robert 4 line for John Siderfin baptized 1656 at Wootton Courtney. Somewhat confusing perhaps to refer to the Siderfin family at Croydon at this point in time but is perhaps just linking all the Siderfin families together. The Clarke family married into the Siderfin family in 1787 with the marriage of John Siderfin and Sarah Clarke at Selworthy. John was the son of Robert Siderfin and Grace (Kent) Siderfin (my 4x great grandparents). At this point in time with Robert Siderfin at East Lynch dying without heirs in 1715 the land may have reverted back in the family although one would have expected it to go to the Worth-Siderfin descendants it became the property of the Clarke family (they could have purchased it for sure or leased it). Only by doing an extensive land search at Taunton could one determine that. But at this point in time (late 1700s) it does appear that the land now belongs to the Clarke family as James Sanders mentions in his "Freeholders in Selworthy" section. He is writing this in the early 1900s and this paragraph refers to that moment in time more than 100 years after the marriage of John Siderfin and Sarah Clarke 4 Jun 1787 at Selworthy. There will be more information on this John Siderfin and East Lynch as we reach his generation. 

Back to the marriage of John Siderfin and Mary (unknown) now that I have gleaned any information from James Sander's text on this couple. Along with this look at the registers, I will alter my one name study Legacy File to reflect these changes. I do begin to feel as if I am more in tune now with this descent in the Siderfin lines. That I may need to read all of these parish registers will be an interesting adventure but for the moment I will use the transcriptions as they are certainly very well done; I do not think I have ever really found any errors in the transcriptions. 

A John Siderfin Junior of Wootton Courtney Farmer married Mary Chapman of Wootton Courtney at West Monkton  27 Mar 1683 (Banns read). This is signed by John Siderfin, Robert Siderfin and George Chapman. This record found on Ancestry. Time wise it could fit into this chart because John was baptized in 1656 and his wife is listed as born in 1648 so they would be 27 and 35 respectively. Only one child is shown for this couple (if correct) on James Sanders Pedigree Chart. Who is the Robert Siderfin signing? There is a possibility that it could be Robert Siderfin baptized 1658 at Selworthy or it could be the uncle of this John if he is the son of John 6 (Robert 5, William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) as he had a brother Robert 6 - both named in the will of their grandmother Christian (Webber) Siderfin in 1644/probated 1648. And he would be be John Junior as his father was John 6 (Robert 5, William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1). Why they marry at West Monkton is perhaps a mystery as it is 53 kilometres from Selworthy. But I did find a marriage so somewhat interesting actually. Their son Robert (if this couple is correct and the surname Siderfin is fairly uncommon) was baptized 15 Dec 1688 at Selworthy. Figuring out the Robert Siderfin males in the 1600s and 1700s is a challenge but I am beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel. Robert Siderfin married Joanna Kittener 25 Apr 1713 in Wootton Courtney. James Sanders has two other children for this couple namely John of Wootton Courtney who married Maria Winters and she apparently left a will probated in 1733 - married in 1718 and no date of birth for John. The other child was Walter of Timberscombe b 1892 and died 1732 and he married Mary Quirke of Minehead perhaps married 1717 at Luxborough and her will probated 1768. 

Looking first at John Siderfin of Wootton Courtney and given that Robert is said to be elder brother was baptized 1689 I will check the parish registers for a John in the time frame from 1683 (John Siderfin junior married Mary Chapman) to the death of Mary in 1717 and perhaps a little longer. No baptism for this John although there is a marriage for a Johannes Syderfin and Maria Winter 11 Dec 1718 at Exton, Somerset and John Syderfin is of Wootton Courtney. James Sanders has so indicated this on the Pedigree Chart. 

Looking second at Walter Siderfin said to be of Timberscombe born 1692 and died 21 Mar 1731 and he was buried in All Saints Selworthy, Somerset, England and he was married to Mary Quirke of Minehead at Luxborough in 1717. This couple baptized a son Robert at Minehead 2 Feb 1718 and he appears to have died in 1746. The marriage on Find My Past 25 Jan 1717 at Luxborough with the groom of Timberscombe and the bride Alice Quircke of Minehead. Alice has left a will which may prove interesting as one of her sisters married into the Question family but it is not particularly helpful with the Siderfin family other than reinforcing that it was she who married Walter Siderfin: 

Recorded: 29th November 2005/23 Mar 2023
Source: National Archives, UK, PROB 11/942/259
Place: Periton, Minehead, Somerset, England
Type of Record: Will
Dated: 21st November 1768, probated, probated 30 Sep 1768

Alice Siderfin

1    In the Name of God Amen
2    I Alice Siderfin of Periton within the parish of Minehead
3    in the County of Somerset widow being sick of Body but
4    of sound and perfect mind and memory praised to God for
5    the same do make and ordain this my last will and
6    Testament in manner and form following that is to say
7    first and principally I commend my Soul into the handes
8    of almighty God my Creator hoping through the merits of
9    Jesus Christ to obtain pardon and remission of all my
10    Sins and to inherit Everlasting life and my body I commit
11    to the Eart to be decently buried at the discretion of my
12    Executor herein afternamed in the Chancel of the parish
13    Church of Minehead as near to the Body of my Mother
14    Mary Quirke deceased as conveniently may be and as to
15    such worldly goods and temporal Estate as God has been
16    pleased to bestow upon me. I give devise and dispose thereof
17    as follows First I will and order that all such just debts as I
18    shall incure at the time of my decease shall be paid and
19    satisfied and whereas by virtue of my marriage settlement made
20    on my intermarriage with my husband Walter Siderfin   I am
21    seized in Fee Simple of and in certain lands tenements and
22    hereditaments situate lying and being in the parish of Withycombe
23    in the County aforesaid now in the tenure or
24    occupation of Robert Slocombe. I give devise and bequeath the
25    same unto my nephew John Short of Minehead aforesaid
26    apothecary and to his heirs and assigns to the use of the said
27    John Short his Sons and assigns for ever upon the trusts and to
28    and for the said intents and purposes hereinafter mentioned expressed
29    and declared (that is to say) In Trust and to and for the use
30    and Benefit of my Cousin Robert Quirke Short (first Son of
31    my said Nephew John Short) and his Heirs for ever But in
32    case he shall happen to die before he shall attain his age
33    of twenty one years then I give devise and bequeath the
34    same unto my said Nephew John Short In Trust and to
35    and for the use and Benefit of my Cousin John Short Second
36    son of my said Nephew John Short and his heirs for ever
37    But in case he shall also happen to die before he shall attain
38    his age of twenty one years then I give devise and bequeath
39    the same unto my said Nephew John Short In trust and to
40    and for the use and Benefit of my Cousin Samuel Short Third
41    son of my said Nephew John Short and his Heirs for ever
42    but in case he shall also happen to die before he attains
43    his age of twenty one years then I give devise and bequeath
44    the same unto my said my Cousin Augustine Question Short and his heirs for ever but in case they shall all happen to dye before they again the age of twenty one years Then I give devise and bequeath the same to my nephew the said John Short in Trust and to and for the use and benefit of Nephew John Short In Trust and
45    to and for the use and Benefit of all such other Child or
46    Children of the Body of my Nephew the said John Short on
47    the Body of Elizabeth Short his now wife begotten or to
48    be begotten and to their heirs and assigns for ever to be
49    equally divided between them share and share alike
50    and Whereas I am also seized in Fee Simple of and in certain
51    Lands Tenements and hereditaments situate lying and being
52    in the parish of Old Cleve called or known by the name of
53    Endley now in the Tenure or occupation of Robert Slocombe
54    I also give devise and bequeath the same unto my said Nephew
55    John Short and his heirs for ever upon the Trusts and to
56    and for the new Intents and purposes hereinafter also
57    mentioned and expressed that is to say In trust and to and for the use
58    and Benefit of my Cousin the above named Robert Quirke
59    Short and his heirs of ever But in case he shall happen
60    to die before he shall attain his said age of twenty one
61    years then In trust and to and for the use and Benefit of
62    my said Cousin the above named John Short and his heirs
63    for ever But in case he should also happen to die before he
64    shall attain that age then In Trust and to and for the use
65    and Benefit of my Cousin the abovenamed Samuel Short
66    and his heirs for ever But in case he shall likewise
67    happen to die before he shall attain his said age of twenty
68    one years then I give devise and bequeath the same unto
69    my said Nephew the said John Short and his heirs for
70    ever In Trust and to and for the use and Benefit of my
71    said Cousin the above named Augustin Question Short and
72    his heirs and assigns forever But in case they shall all
73    happen to die before their said age of twenty one years
74    then I give devise and bequeath the same to my said nephew
75    the said John Short In trust and to and for the
76    use and Benefit of all such other Child or Children of
77    the Body of my Nephew the said John Short
78    begotten or to be begotten on the Body of the said Elizabeth
79    his now wife and to their heirs and assigns for ever to
80    be equally divided between them share and share alike
81    and Lastly all the Rest Residue and Remainder of
82    Lands Tenements and hereditaments Goods or
83    Chattels Real and personal Estate Moneys and Securities
84    Money whatsoever or wheresover they be and which
85    shall be my my now entitled unto at the time of my death
86    I do devise and bequeath the same unto my said
87    nephew the said John Short whom I do hereby ordain and constitute
88    desire and appoint whole and sole Executor and
89    to see my Legacies of this my last Will and Testament
90    hereby revoking all former wills Bequests and Legacies by
91    any way heretofore made bequeathed or given
92    and do make and declare this only to be my last Will
93    and testament In trust nevertheless and to and for the
94    use and benefit of all and every such Child or Children
95    of the body of the said John Short on the Body of the said Elizabeth
96    his now Wife begotten or to be begotten equally to
97    be divided between them share and share alike As they
98    may respectively attain their age of twenty one years
99    my will further is and I do hereby order and direct that
100    all the Rents and profits of the said Estates and all the
101    interest of the Moneys or so much thereof as shall be
102    requested and necessary for that purpose shall be paid
103    and applied for and towards the Maintenance and
104    education of such Child or Children until they shall respectively
105    attain their age of twenty one years and at the time that
106    either of them attain his or her said age of twenty
107    one years then my will is that his or her share or shares
108    shall be paid unto him or her so attaining that age But
109    in case or either of them shall happen to dye before he
110    or she shall attain such age then his her or their Share
111    so dying shall be paid to and be equally divided amongst
112    the Survivor or Survivors of them share and share alike
113    In Witness thereof I the said Alice Siderfin the Testator
114    have to this my last Will and Testament set my hand
115    and Seal this twenty first day of April in the year of our
116    Lord one thousand seven hundred and sixty six Alice Siderfin
117    Signed Sealed published and declared by the above named
118    Alice Siderfin the Testatrix to be her last Will and
119    Testament in the presence of us who have subscribed our
120    names as Witnesses thereunto in her presence and in the
121    presence of each other of us Thos Leigh, Mary Leigh
122    Alexander Briant
123    This Will was proved at London on the thirtieth day
124    of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven
125    hundred and sixty eight before the Knight worshipful George
126    Hay doctor of Laws Master Keeper or Commissary of the
127    Prerogative Court of Canterbury lawfully constituted by
128    the oath of John Short the sole Executor named in the said
129    will to whom Administration of al and singular the
130    Goods Chattels and Credits of the said deceased
131    was granted he having been first sworn by Commission
132    duly to administer Ex

I did locate the death of Walter Siderfin 21 Mar 1731 and buried at All Saints Selworthy. He is on the same brass as another Siderfin. The Brass reads: Here lyeth the body of Robert Siderfin son of Robert Siderfin Gent and Elizabeth his Wife Who departed this life the 20th day of Jan 1714 Aged 25 years. Here lyeth the body of Walter Siderfin who departed This Life the 21st day of Mar 1731 Aged 40 years. Why are they on the same brass? is the question that comes to my mind. Are Walter and Robert brothers? The answer does appear to be yes but the brass has Robert as the son of Robert and Elizabeth Siderfin. This could take me back to square one which was my thought earlier that these two men were the grandsons of Robert Siderfin baptized 1616 at Minehead older brother to John Siderfin baptized 1619 at Minehead. I did rather like the other concept so now I must determine what I can about this brass memorial. I am bothered by the Robert Siderfin who died in 1714 and was living at East Lynch and his brother Walter (according to James Sanders) who lived at Timberscombe. They are occupying land known to be in the possession of the Willian Line principally Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) as late as 1662. This line still existed into the early 1700s so it does seem strange that the land would have switched into a different Siderfin line.

At this point it would be timely to look at the will of Maria (Winter) Siderfin (wife of John Siderfin). Robert and Walter are said to be brothers to this John Siderfin.

1733. Mary Siderfin, of Exton, wife of John Siderfin, of the same parish, tanner. Whereas before my intermarriage with my said husband by my Deed indented and bearing date the 8th Dec., 1718, I did assign and settover certain leasehold tenements or estates, ietc., unto Edmund Cording, of Exton, and George Langdon, of Winsford, in trust for the several uses, ends, intents, etc., therein mentioned. I give etc., unto my husband's granddaughter, Joane Siderfin, ten pounds. To my cozen, Anne Hobbs, the younger, of Winsford, 40s. To Edward Barnes, the younger of Exton, 10s. All the rest residue and remainder of my said leasehold tenements or estates and all other goods, etc., etc., unto Edmund Cording, the younger (son of aforesaid Ed Cording) to and for his own proper use for ever. And I do make him, the said Ed Cording the ye sole Executor.
Will dated 7th January, 1729.

An interesting will as it implies that her husband John had a son with a daughter and that she was a second wife. I would say this brother to Robert and Walter on James Sanders chart does not exist and is rather the John Siderfin who married Mary Chapman and one can see that his occupation is tanner since he was a younger son that would be expected. This John Siderfin is perhaps still living in 1729 as the will was dated 7 Jan 1729. This John would be the John baptized in 1656 son of John Siderfin. I feel quite confident removing him from this particular spot. I am also not uncomfortable with having Robert and Walter sons of Robert Siderfin rather than this brother John Siderfin who was a tanner and continuing with the thought that this is the William Line. It works even better actually as I rather thought this Robert Siderfin had married Elizabeth Blackford. Crisis averted and I will soon produce a new Chart of the William Line and the Robert Line. Everything is falling nicely into place with just a little extra proof for my initial thought. That leaves John 6 younger brother to Robert 6 son of Robert 5 (William 4, Robert 3, William 2, John 1) as the husband of Maria Winter and a tanner and the property at Timberscombe and East Lynch with his older brother Robert as shown on the various subsidies/returns. The mention of a granddaughter to Maria (Winter) Siderfin's husband John is interesting as it does put another hindrance against this John being in the Robert Line since that John would most likely be the husband of Thomasine and father of Robert Siderfin born at Selworthy in 1658 although Robert and Elizabeth had a daughter Joana I find it difficult to believe she would only remember the one child when they had nine children (and Joanna was buried in 1698 at the age of eight years). Next step is to have a look at the original register for Selworthy just to see what I might be able to find as that would be handy although already interpreted by others as the record for the Baptism of Robert Siderfin married to Elizabeth Question and son of Thomazine as mentioned in her will.

Time for a 40 minute run; the day has turned out quite well. We had rain and no smoke but it may return tomorrow.