Shared Workaholic tendency and Monday morning

Edward and I share a workaholic tendency although he is more prone to being sociable than I ever was. For me, as a child, being sociable was what my mother requested of me and as an adult I have avoided social experiences in as much as possible. I love to read and work away at things although when my children were small I couldn't always do that and didn't as they came first. Learned that from my mother as well. But as luck would have it my children were quite amenable to an organized day so that by the time they were three they would sit beside me and do "their work" as they called it. The coffee breaks were longer for them for sure and generally involved a long walk to have a look at the world and discover birds, trees, plants along the way or watch favourite movies. I did take the girls to play group and my older daughter enjoyed it more perhaps because she was an only child for such a long time but my younger daughter on her first day there quietly confided to me that she would rather be at home working and we never went back! I do think we are all workaholics in this family as Edward has many projects but he put everything together for his various projects and passed them on before and during COVID and published everything that he wanted published. 

I am busy writing all of these books I have thought about since I ventured into Surname Studies back in 2003 and mostly when DNA became the driver of my genealogical pursuits around 2005 after the Pincombe Profile was completed. George DeKay would be amazed to see the result of his persuading me to write the Pincombe Profile for sure. The Siderfin book revised and published. Blake and Pencombe books in the starting phases. Buller book on the back burner. Rawlings being thought about occasionally but one of my third cousins in Australia has written up quite a bit on the Rawlings. Then I get back another generation and I have Knight (Winterbourne villages, Dorset), Cotterill (Kimpton, Hampshire it appears but not conclusive on the surname)?, Gray (Holme on the Wolds, East Riding of Yorkshire), Taylor (Birmingham family, shoe/boot maker - a small company, was contacted by a descendant which was interesting). Would I ever take up books on these four lines? The Gray is written up by my cousin George DeKay but  he wanted to revise and update it and I said I would help him if he wanted but he passed away and COVID did rather get in the way of that. That would mean a revise and update of his book but I wouldn't do all the families that  he did without other contributors - I do not know most of them actually. For me it would be a Gray-Routledge book perhaps looking at the descendants of the Routledge family here plus my research back in Bewcastle. My cousin though has a lot of work on line for the family beyond Bewcastle back into the Highlands of Scotland. There have been books on the various Knight families and I rather think I would need to be on the spot to do that one as there are a lot of Knight families and the same goes for Taylor I expect. The next generation (2x great grandparents - would be Farmer (Collingbourne Kingston, Wiltshire), Butt (Winterbourne villages, Dorset), Sherwood (Cotterill married Sherwood at Kimpton)??, Lywood (there is a one name study for Lywood and Warwick Lywood has done great work for sure), Rew (same areas  as Siderfin, have done some work on this line because of the Siderfin book and just interest), Routledge (my cousin (perhaps 7th) Thomas Routledge is doing a wonderful job with this family in England), Welch (huge family although I have traced my line back into Rugley Staffordshire several generations) and Roberts (Bickenhill, Warwickshire for a couple of generations before Birmingham). 

Perhaps one can go to far back! I think at this point (3x great grandparents) I would become selective and pick some of the unusual 4th great grandparents and further back surnames and work on them - Cheatle (Ashby de la Zouch, Leicestershire), Croxall (Bickenhill, Warwickshire), Lawley (Wellington, Shropshire), Hemsley (Southwark, Surrey), Sproxton (Hutton Cranswick, East Riding of Yorkshire), Charlie/Charly (Combe Martin, Devon) and the list keeps going back! But there is just one lifetime for each of us and we do what we get done for sure. I did learn that from Edward who enjoyed the OGS now Ontario Ancestors Ottawa Branch so very much. He never really missed a meeting all those years before COVID taking me along after he got tired and his friend became ill and he found the drive home long. He loved being able to go and do the things he wanted to do anytime that he wanted knowing I was quite content that he enjoy his life. I loved all that precious time at home after I retired working away on Surname Studies which in itself is rather amazing being very late to arrive at an interest in such things. His greatest regret was not traveling across the ocean much much earlier - like when I proposed we backpack around the British Isles and Europe after he finished his PhD in 1970. It would have been fun for sure.

On to the day. This is basement cleaning day and today work on the Blake book - looking at Andover and area. 

Good news - Inquisition Postmortem is available for John de Pencombe

Today in my inbox a note to say that I can order the Inquisition Postmortem for John de Pencombe from the 1300s as a scan; the record attached to the code is the correct one (nice that they do that record check actually). It will be in Latin and I have started once again to work on my Latin skills. I am using duolingo this time and I am on the third lesson now. I do have some background work in Latin from before COVID - everything is either before or after COVID it would appear - and I am progressing along. What I am looking forward to is something about family and perhaps the reason for the loss in circumstances for the Pencombe family of Herefordshire. I suspect it is the War of the Roses now but it is amazing really to learn so much about one's ancestry. My Blake and Pincombe one-name studies have been quite fascinating. My parents would both be pleased to see the work done as both were curious about their ancestry from an interest point of view - who am I type of thing. They both had quite a bit of knowledge of their lines back several generations which was handy since it was repeated enough times when I was a child that I do remember all of that. Actually I thought I knew all of my ancestry in my younger days and when Edward prepared the 50th Wedding Anniversary book for my parents (I did help find baptisms and things at the Family Research Library) it looked quite nice although researching Taylor was difficult but then I did not know that her father was not William Taylor - that knowledge would come when I did my coursework and discovered that she was only a half-sibling to her siblings and that does show in the DNA matches with her half-siblings descendants. Since they should be my second cousins and a few of them are a nice size but definitely given how much Rawlings we share and nothing else a sure sign that her father was not William Taylor.

Yesterday was a cleaning day and the two floors accomplished in good time. I did not actually do any work other than a bit of researching here and there - nothing particularly meaningful. Mostly I thought about what would be in the next Pincombe-Pinkham Newsletter. Today will be the basement and working outside. Whilst the robot cleans the downstairs rug I will pull any leftover weeds behind the raspberry canes and prepare the land for a topping of garden soil and then the carrots will be planted. We will also plant the sunflower seeds behind the house. The two bleeding hearts have transplanted and will flower nicely next year in the spring. It is a good spot for them. The last hosta is coming up nicely now and I can do a little more clearing of weeds there if time presents itself. There is so much work to gardening - I do not mind work but gardening isn't high on my agenda for sure. But my daughter likes to garden (certainly got that from her father) and will do the heavy work in that regard. I will help plant and weed. The next thing is to prepare the ground for the tomato and pepper plants and the upper part of the garden in front of the raspberry canes for lettuces, green onions, spinach and herbs. The lawn gets cut today as the bees have certainly had their fill of dandelions and other spring flowers and it is time now to enjoy the mowed lawns. Gradually I will get the flower beds weeded and we will add fresh garden soil to most of them but they have shrunk somewhat and will continue to shrink. The fruit bushes are coming along nicely as I trimmed them back quite well in the early spring. We have saved the Loyalist rose which was being strangled by the bleeding hearts and they are also coming along. I didn't really notice until my daughter came home. She quickly moved the bleeding hearts. Some work on the lawn where it is thin to seed grass seed and some fresh top soil there as well just to help it along. 

My Heritage let me know that I had some new Relativity Theories but I have rejected two and accepted one. My paternal grandmother does bring up most of the rejected ones. The records show a distinct line if I am correct that her father was George Cotterill son of William Cotterill and Jane Sherwood - any strange derivatives of those names are incorrect since they do not live in the area. The ones that do have a clear line I have neither accepted or rejected. I would like a substantial match to really prove that line. It is highly unlikely that Elizabeth Rawlins moved very far from where she worked in Kimpton or lived with her parents in Collingbourne Ducis or her siblings in Ludgershall. My grandmother was baptized in Kimpton and the priest has given her the name of Ada Bessie Cotteril Rawlings which was also the registered name. Although she was always known as Edith Bessie Taylor by her family (her mother married William Taylor when she was six years of age (she lived with her grandparents (and mother except when she was working elsewhere than Collingborne Ducis) William Cotterill and Elizabeth Lywood until then)). Do I need to know? She was very happy with her family and probably had no interest in her actual father (nor did my father, he had two sets of grandparents). But from a viewpoint of family medical history it is good to actually know the four grandparents of my father (three of them are known to me). The Lywood family is interesting and a one name study done by Warwick Lywood is available. Elizabeth Lywood definitely ran away to marry William Rawlins and they had baptized their first child a month before that. Definitely I do not think she was coerced particularly and my grandmother was very much loved by her grandparents to have had them raise her for six years before her mother married William Taylor (they still had a couple of children at home at that time as well). Their youngest child Sydney Herbert Rawlins was just six years older than my paternal grandmother. They had seven children and I have a picture of the family on an outing in the early 1900s (a very large group as William and Elizabeth had twenty-seven grandchildren).

On to the day and it is another beautiful sunny day but only 4 degrees celsius - typical May for sure as the frost warnings generally last into early June here.  The predicted high 22 degrees celsius; lovely gardening weather for sure if one must garden! I was a very enthusiastic gardener as Edward loved his garden and when he couldn't do it then I did it but it was long hours in the sun doing all of that work but it looked good. I still think it looks good but I am not bothered by dandelions or wild flowers in the grass and gardens. When they dominate the cultivated plants then I remove them. It is wonderful to wander about the yard and hear the bees humming about here and there. The raspberry canes are looking great so maybe a nice lot of raspberries this year - time will tell but the bees will have lots of little flowers to pollinate there when the time comes. The trees are especially looking good this year with the good load of snow this past winter. Rain tomorrow to keep them growing and filling out with their leaves. 

Breakfast next.

25th British Isles Family History Conference

The BIFHSGO Conference was an outstanding success. Although I missed Friday's night's lecture due to other commitments (as well as any workshop I might have attended), the Saturday and Sunday lectures were works of art to put it mildly. Every speaker more than exceeded any expectations I had.

What did I like the most? Probably the lectures by Blaine Bettinger as DNA is my strongest interest at the moment. I like to do the tree research but mostly I like to assemble the DNA into my grandparent's likely donation to their children, my parents. I want to move backwards in the New Year and start to reconstruct my great grandparents and several of Blaine's lectures gave me thoughts on how to proceed with that. As a very early supporter of DNA Painter, I was pleased to see Blaine's approach to utilizing this particularly well designed tool for looking at DNA.

I brought up one question concerning a rather good 2nd cousin match that arrived in my Ancestry account. I was especially a good match with the range for my other three siblings being third and fourth cousin. I knew almost immediately that this was likely on my father's paternal grandmother's side and when the individual wrote to me I said that he was likely matching me in the Knight family. Being very new to DNA he thought a second cousin match was a second cousin and quite often it is! However, I come from a somewhat unusual situation in that I do not have any first cousins and most of my second cousins are half second cousins. All of my second cousins are known to me but one shouldn't be too boastful in that regard! However, I could not see any of my relatives who could have had a child in England that was adopted by a couple who went to New Zealand and that that child would be my direct second cousin. The age differential was also interesting. I have very long generations in my family with my grandparents born in 1872, 1875, 1876 and 1886 with the latter three born in England (lived in England to adulthood and my father was born in England). The 1872 grandfather was born in Westminster Township, Middlesex County, Ontario, Canada. He was the only child who survived to adulthood in his family and his only grandchildren are myself and my siblings. Mind you he had a lot of first cousins. But this match was definitely on my father's side as he matched several of my known Knight cousins. The tester was in mid 40s and I am in my mid 70s!

I mentioned to the tester that I was descended from a Knight line that had a second cousin marriage at the 3x great grandparent level (Ellis Knight and Eleanor Knight were 2nd cousins). This was the most recent common ancestor for most of those Knight matches. A number of my matches descend from Samuel Knight my 2x great grandfather who married Louisa Butt. Two of Samuel's siblings married two of Louisa's siblings making for lots of double cousins in that generation. Louisa Butt's parents were Charles Butt and Hannah Arnold (my 3x great grandparents) and fortunately they were not, as far as I can tell thus far, related. Hannah Arnold's parents were William Arnold and Elizabeth Molton and their daughter Sarah married a brother to Charles Butt (Joseph Butt) and in 1840 they emigrated to Canada with their ten children, Sarah died in childbirth a year later and Joseph married Ann Trewin in 1843 and they had eight children. Most members of the Butt family in Canada are probably related to me but that digresses. As a result of all of this intermarriage an endogamous situation has arisen in my Knight-Butt-Arnold family lines. That has mostly created this rather large match that I have with the tester. He is more likely a fourth cousin and does possibly share DNA with me on my paternal grandmother's side. I am still working on her line perhaps not enthusiastically enough as there is one large match with the tester that I can not match although likely on my paternal grandmother's side.

My paternal grandmother was raised by her mother and stepfather and really considered them her family. No mention was ever made of her actual father and other than her original birth certificate I would not have any particular clues as to his possible name. Her name at birth Ada Bessie Cotteril Rawlings and recorded on the census as Ida Rawlins (with her maternal grandparents in 1881), Bessie Taylor (with her mother and stepfather in 1891) and Edith B Taylor (working as a cook in the Manor House at Kimpton Hampshire in 1901). On her marriage registration she is listed as Edith Bessie Taylor. I do have matches in the Rawlin[g]s line that are not descendant of the Rawlings family lines. I would need to have a match with a descendant of a half sibling if I am correct in my thoughts on whom the father might be. Thus far that has not happened. The possible father was married three times with eight children.

The tester does not appear to match on my mother's side thus far and I have quite a few matches for her side on both of her parent's lines.

But I digress from the conference which was a wonderful event and I am looking forward to next year's event.

Chromosome 23

I still do not have that perfect match that will let me formally accept my phasing of my grandparents chromosome 23 that was passed to myself and my siblings. I know the one length of course which was inherited from my father since my sisters and I all receive his X chromosome which was passed to him from his mother. If ever I get matches on the Rawlings line then it is somewhat easy to place them as they match my two sisters and I and not my two brothers. Thus far I do not know if any of these matches are from my grandmother's father's line. Although she received the second middle name of Cotterill/Cotterell I am only penciling in the thought that her father was George Cotterill who was also born at Kimpton. This was the only Cotterill family there. The priest has baptized the baby with that middle name and the baby was registered also with that name. My great grandmother elected to keep her child and on the 1881 census my grandmother was finally discovered after several years and a number of certificates living with her maternal grandparents William Rawlins and Elizabeth (Lywood) Rawlins. Not long after I discovered a cousin in Australia had put together his family tree and he included Elizabeth with husband William Taylor (married in 1882). One of his first questions to me when we met on line was "who is Ada Rawlins on the 1881 Census with William and Elizabeth Rawlins?" By then I could respond that I believed she was my grandmother.

But back to the phasing of my grandparents Chromosome 23. To really perfect this phasing I need a match with one of my second cousins (I do not have any first cousins) where we share the Buller line or the Gray line of my maternal grandfather John Routledge Pincombe's mother Grace Gray. The Buller line looks easier because one of my grandmother's sisters had daughters. But to date none of them have tested. I have tried to find descendants of my mother's first cousin but no luck thus far. On the Gray side, Grace's two older sisters died in childbirth leaving just one daughter who has had children but thus far the DNA shared is too small to definitively declare that one of my two versions is absolutely correct.

Working with the data from the other chromosomes where I have known matches with cousins who also share DNA has helped to create these two scenarios. I await the chance that one of these days one of my second cousins will test.

And it continues to snow. Since it is nearly 2 degrees celsius the snow is fluffy and wet looking not our usual dry stuff that we get at 10 and 20 degrees celsius below zero! There will likely be snowmen if the children can find excitement in yet another snowfall. We are definitely waiting for spring.

One does wonder if 150 years later people can be content with just accepting that children were born out of wedlock. I am most accepting of that. People did not marry for a number of reasons and babies were created in an unplanned way just as they are these days! I am glad that we are more accepting of how life flows.

Diana Collins (1774 - 1834)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 33

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Diana Collins married John Happerfield 21 Nov 1793 at South Tidworth. Their daughter Sarah married  John Shearwood 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth. Their daughter Jane married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton.

She is likely the Dinah Collins baptized 6 Mar 1774 at Collingbourne Kingston daughter of John Collins. This John Collings married Sarah Potter 9 Oct 1769 at Collingbourne Kingston. Since Dinah was 60 years of age when she died 9 Nov 1834 at South Tidworth this baptism fits very well. Plus the eldest daughter was named Sarah.

Collingbourne Kingston is  4.2 miles from North Tidworth  and 5 miles from South Tidworth. It is 7 miles from Kimpton and 8 miles from Ham. It is also nine miles from Woodborough.

Children baptized to John and Sarah Collings at Collingbourne Kingston:

Hester baptized 12 Aug 1770
Sarah baptized 16 Feb 1772
Dinah baptized 6 Mar 1774
John baptized 26 Jan 1777
Charles baptized 6 Jun 1779
Daniel baptized 12 Aug 1781

Trying to find further information  on John Collings/Collins and Sarah Potter was not yet possible.This ends my seven weeks on the possible natural ancestors of my grandmother Blake. I was unable to determine the surname of the wife of John Shearwood/Sheerwood/Sherwood. At a later date I may be able to do that. The next 52 Ancestor Challenge will be one of my Routledges, the third and last 4x Routledge great grandparent.

Ancestry of Diana Collins:

1. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Sarah HAPPERFIELD (b 31 Jul 1796) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
Possibly
3. Diana COLLINS (b 6 Mar 1774) - Collingbourne Kingston Wiltshire England
4. John COLLINGS

John Happerfield (1775 - 1844)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Week 32

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Happerfield was born at North Tidworth (according to the census) and married Diana Collins 21 Nov 1793 at South Tidworth. He died at South Tidworth and was buried there. John and Diana baptized six children at South Tidworth including Sarah who married John Shearwood/Sherwood/Sheerwood (their daughter Jane married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton):

Thomas
Sarah baptized 31 Jul 1796; married John Shearwood 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth
John baptized 21 Sep 1800
Charles baptized 6 Mar 1803
Hester baptized 16 Apr 1806
Daniel baptized 17 Jan 1808

John Happerfield was the son of Charles Habberfield and Sarah Hitchcock who were married 12 Oct 1768 at South Tidworth. They have five known children:

Elizabeth baptized 12 Oct 1769 at South Tidworth
John born circa 1775 at North Tidworth
Charles
James
William

Ancestry of John Happerfield:

1. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Sarah HAPPERFIELD (b 31 Jul 1796) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
3. John HAPPERFIELD (b c 1775) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
4. Charles HABBERFIELD

John Sherwood/Shearwood/Sheerwood (? - ?)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 31

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Sherwood/Shearwood/Sheerwood married Elizabeth unknown but this is possibly the marriage of John Sherwood and Elizabeth Taylor 9 Dec 1787 at Chieveley, Berkshire.  I do not find another marriage in the Hampshire/Dorset/Wiltshire area for this couple (John and Elizabeth Sherwood).

Their son John Shearwood  was baptized 13 Aug 1797 at Shipton Bellinger, Hampshire and he married Sarah Happerfield 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth. They baptized six children:

Maria baptized 18 Nov 1821 at Shipton Bellinger
Jane baptized 12 Dec 1824 at Kimpton
John baptized 4 Nov 1827 at Kimpton
Harriet baptized 26 Sep 1830 at Kimpton
Thomas baptized 16 Mar 1834 at Kimpton
George baptized 18 Feb 1838 at Kimpton

Jane Sherwood married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton and their son George was baptized 6 Mar 1859 at Kimpton and he died Mar quarter 1913 at Hadleigh, Rochford, Essex.

John, brother of Jane,  was an agricultural labourer for Walter Pathecary at Middle Wallop in 1851. On the 1861 Census he is listed as a Farm Bailif living at Kimpton. John Sheerwood on the 1871 census (born in 1828 at Kimpton) is listed as a keeper of a beer house at Nether Wallop.


Ancestry of John Sherwood/Shearwood/Sheerwood:

1. George COTTERILL (b 6 Mar 1859) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
3. John SHEARWOOD (b 13 Aug 1797) - Shipton Bellinger Hampshire England
4 John SHERWOOD

Joanna Shepherd (1752 - ?)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 30

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Joanna Shepherd was baptized 7 June 1752 at Kimpton, Hampshire the daughter of William and Joanna Shepherd. A William Shepherd was buried 12 Jan 1786 at Kimpton aged 78 years (birth year circa 1708). Is this the father of Joanna? He would have been 48 years of age when she was baptized. I haven't found a marriage for William Shepherd to Joanna.

Joanna Shepherd married John Alderman 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. Their daughter Hannah married  Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. Their son William Cotterill married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton.

I did find one interesting baptism for a William Shepherd son of William Shepherd 27 Mar 1735 at Collingbourne Kingston. However he would likely be too young to be the father of Joanna.

Joanna's date of death/burial is unknown to me but she does not appear on the 1841 census at Kimpton. 

Ancestry of Joanna Shepherd:

1. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Hannah ALDERMAN (b 2 Aug 1789) - Kimpton Hampshire England
3. Joanna SHEPHERD (b 7 Jun 1752) - Kimpton Hampshire England
4. William SHEPHERD

Ada Bessie Cotteril Rawlings aka Edith Bessie Taylor

My grandmother Blake was always a shadow figure in my life as she died 5 years before I was born. I knew a lot about her actual life, what she liked to do, her character and her known relatives. But when I tried to find her in the records  prior to 1891 that proved to be an impossible task. She just appears in the records in 1891 as the daughter of William Taylor and his wife Elizabeth. Searching for their marriage  around 1876 was also non productive. Then, bolstered by my courses at the National Institute  for Genealogical  Studies, I started collecting information on her siblings four in number although only three survived to adulthood. Buying their birth registrations led to the discovery of their mother  Elizabeth's  maiden name Rawlings. That let me find the marriage of William and Elizabeth in 1882. With that piece of knowledge I knew then that my grandmother had likely been born out of wedlock and was not likely the daughter of William Taylor. He would have been 17 years of age when she was born. I further proved this to be unlikely as he was some distance from Kimpton in this time period. Plus he was not listed as her father although did sign the marriage registration as a witness when Edith married Samuel Blake my grandfather.

I then purchased the marriage registration for William Taylor and  Elizabeth Rawlings and her father was William Rawlings. Locating Elizabeth on the census in 1861 and 1871 I found her mother Elizabeth and her siblings but could not find Elizabeth in 1881 and still can not find her. I searched on William instead and up popped the 1881 census with the youngest sons David and Sidney and a grand daughter Ada Rawlings five years old born at Ludgershall. Finding the birth registration for Ada proved  to be remarkably easy  and I waited for yet another certificate. Looking today at Find my past for my grandmother born in 1876 is interesting as there are seven hits for Ada Rawlings born in 1876 but six are easily eliminated because I know she was born 1 April 1876 and thus is the only record that matches.

For some reason I am completely untroubled by my discovery. Illegitimacy  does not hold any horrors for me. Finding my grandmother back in 2005 proved to be a catalyst for all the research that has followed. I discovered that you really can prove your line. Unfortunately it is not likely possible to determine her haplogroup. My father was her only child. She had one half sister but thus far I have not found a female descendant. The Rawlings line quickly fleshed out back to the mid seventeen hundreds  and a recent post proposes  a further jump back in time. William Rawlings married Elizabeth Lywood and the Lywood family has been well researched as a one name study by Warwick  Lywood  who has taken it back into the fifteen hundreds.

The last few 52 Ancestor Challenges have looked at the possible ancestry of my grandmother's  natural father. The father she knew and dearly loved was William Taylor and I considered  just letting her never be found by me in my recordings. The Taylor family was her family.  My grandfather  had very efficiently laid out an ancestry for her that appeared to be quite solid but I could not find a birth registration that fitted. Was I being unfair to her memory? I finally  decided after l revealed her ancestry to all my siblings and they were excited  that she was found that her memory was better served by truth than fiction. We love her just for being our grandmother  nothing else matters. A few Cotterill, Cotterell, Cottrell matches on the various databases that I have tested tell me I am likely right but I will wait to see if they contact me.

I am mostly  of the opinion that one's  familial ancestry determines who you are really. One's  genetic ancestry may or may not coincide but it can not include those wonderful personal anecdotes that make up the story of a family. We genealogists in this time and place have a wonderful opportunity to tell the stories of our families in amazing ways for future generations that gives flesh to the bones. Our DNA is also wonderful to include and gives us both recent and deep ancestry.

In total I have now found two illegitimacies in my ancestry. Both occur in the same line. My grandmother's  grandmother was also illegitimate. I suspect that her father was a soldier during the Napoleonic Wars. Martha Peck  married George Lywood a veteran of Waterloo and was the mother of Elizabeth Lywood married to William Rawlings. Not telling us the true story of our grandmother lost us the story of George at Waterloo. That story  has now returned  to our family history.

John Alderman (circa 1750 - 1811)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 29

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Alderman was the father of Hannah Alderman  (baptized 2 Aug 1789 at Kimpton, Hampshire) and Hannah married Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. John Alderman married Joanna Shepherd 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. They baptized five children at Kimpton:

John baptized 4 May 1772 and buried 7 May 1772 at Kimpton
William baptized 2 Feb 1782 
Frances baptized 21 Jun 1784
William baptized 22 Jan 1787
Hannah baptized 2 Aug 1789

The ten years is a large gap between John and William but the priest consistently identified the mother Joanna as Joanna Shepherd in all baptisms. Possibly they lived elsewhere for a period of time and I have not yet searched other areas.    The burial record for John Alderman gives his age as 61 years when he died 20 Feb 1811 and there is a baptism 2 Apr 1749 at Ham, Wiltshire (11 miles from Kimpton) that is the only baptism that I found that would work looking at Find My Past. Neither the name Philip nor the name Elizabeth was used by this couple which is somewhat disconcerting so will keep my eye out for other possibilities. Philip Alderman married Elizabeth Aldridge 26 Feb 1748 at Ham, Wiltshire.

Children baptized by Philip and Elizabeth Alderman at Ham:

John baptized 2 Apr 1749
Mary baptized 24 Mar 1750
James baptized 9 Sep 1753
Philip baptized 7 Sep 1758; buried 7 Sep 1758 at Ham

No further information for Philip. There are two baptisms for Elizabeth Aldridge at Ham, the first the daughter of James and Mary baptized 7 May 1727 and the second daughter of John junior and baptized 23 Aug 1724.

Ancestry of John Alderman (possible):

1. John ALDERMAN (b 2 Apr 1749) - Ham Wiltshire England
2. Philip ALDERMAN

Charles Cotterill (1767 - 1810)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 27

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Charles Cotterell is possibly one of my 4x great grandfathers (I decided to do this next set of seven "ancestors" just because it appears to fit into the father's line for my paternal grandmother (her mother is known but the father can only be guessed at). Kimpton is a very small village in Hampshire not far from Upper Clatford and Andover.

Charles married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough, Wiltshire. Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767 at Beechingstoke son of William Cotterell and Elizabeth Kempton who were themselves married 3 May 1760 at Wilsford near Pewsey. Elizabeth was baptized 27 Jun 1731 at Wilcot daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth Kempton. William father of Charles was buried 5 Jan 1770 at Beechingstoke.

William and Elizabeth baptized three children at Beechingstoke:

William was baptized 24 May 1761
Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767
Elizabeth was baptized 13 May 1770 and buried 6 Sep 1770 at Beechingstoke

Elizabeth Kempton married a second time to Robert Chandler 12 Jan 1773 at Beechingstoke. Charles would have been just six years old when his mother remarried and this family then appears at Woodborough where Elizabeth's second husband lives).

Charles Coterill married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough (location for Robert Chandler on the marriage registration). Charles their son was born 1786 at Woodborough according to the 1851 census. Charles, the father, is likely the Charles Cotterell buried at Fittleton 23 Sep 1810. The son  Charles married Hannah Alderman 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton and they baptized two children at Kimpton:

William baptized 12 Jun 1825; married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton
Mary baptized 2 Jun 1829; married Henry Chandler June quarter 1854 at Kimpton

William  Cotterill  married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton and they had four children at Kimpton:

Jane born circa 1854, married Francis Ford mar quarter 1879 at Mere
Ann born circa 1855, married William Henry Fisher dec quarter 1878 Pewsey RD
George baptized 6 Mar 1859; married  twice, first Ann Matthews 28 Jun 1879 at Kimpton and Fanny Somner Dec quarter 1887 at Thanet, Kent.
Ellen was born circa 1869 

I did try to find a baptism for William Cotterell married to Elizabeth Kempton/Kimpton but will work on that again  as well as the baptism for their grandson Charles. Interestingly the Cotterel family appears earlier in the Rawlings family as the eldest daughter of William Rawlins and Mary Ford married Stephen Cotterel 28 Jan 1764 at Enford. Woodford is only ten miles from Enford where the Rawlins family lived. Stephen was perhaps the son of William Cotterel and baptized 8 Jan 1738 at Wilsford near Pewsey (2.5 miles from Woodford and 8 miles from Enford).I did consider that this could have been significant in the naming of my grandmother but I think 100 years later that is unlikely especially given that the Lywood surname of her maternal grandmother would have likely been chosen. More on the Lywood family in a couple of months.


Ancestry of Charles Cotterell:


1. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Charles COTTERILL (b circa 1786) - Woodborough Wiltshire England
3. Charles COTTERELL (b 19 Jul 1767) - Beechingstoke Wiltshire England
4. William COTTERELL

Joseph Blake (1730 - 1767)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 2

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, unknown, Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, Durnford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Ann (unknown), Sherwood, unknown, Habberfield, Collings, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Canham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

This week's ancestor challenge is one of my great finds. I could remember my Grandfather talking about his ancestral line and knew my way backwards from his father Edward to his father John to his father Thomas and then I thought I remembered that his father was Joseph. But I wasn't sure. I bought the parish register fiche for Upper Clatford (and Andover, Abbots Ann, and Kimpton) in 2008 but prior to that I had found on the BVRII from the LDS that there was a Joseph Blake married to a Joanna King  8 Jun 1757 at Upper Clatford. This was the only Blake marriage at Upper Clatford in this time frame and my grandfather thought his families had been at Upper Clatford for a very very long time. In essence he was correct some of his lines have been in the Upper Clatford area for centuries and centuries back to the beginning of the parish registers there.

However the LDS didn't at that time carry all the Andover information for the children of the children of Joseph and Joanna. Buying the parish records for Upper Clatford was such a good idea. I found my Grandfather's baptism (including his date of birth although I already owned the birth registration anyway) readily but did not find my father's which was a surprise although in retrospect I could remember that my father had said he was baptized at Kimpton (and it was there in the records in 1904). I also found the baptism for Edward my great grandfather in 1845, then his father John's baptism in 1798. Then back to 1767 for the baptism of Thomas - John's father. Thomas was baptized posthumously as his father died five months earlier and just two weeks apart from his son Thomas who was then six years old. Now that was a surprise as Grandpa had not mentioned that I am fairly sure. He had mentioned a number of baby deaths in Thomas' children and that had stuck in my mind. So probably he did not know that there had been two babies named Thomas.

Back to Joseph and the reward for buying the parish register fiche was discovering that Joseph Blake was of Andover as noted by the priest and not of the parish of Upper Clatford (Joanna was the daughter of Thomas King and baptized at Upper Clatford but more on Joanna later). One has to be quite careful with this Joseph Blake. There was a Joseph Blake in this time frame who was educated at Oxford and I knew that this was not my Joseph although they shared a similar time frame and location and eventually I discovered they had common ancestry several generations back.

I learn a little about Joseph from Thomas King's will in 1762:

In the Name of God Amen. I Tho[ma]s King of

Upp[er] Clatford in the county of Southampton, Farmer being sick and weak in

Body but of sound and perfect mind and memory do this twenty ninth day of September

in the year of our Lord one thousand seven Hundred and sixty two make and

ordain this my Last Will and Testament in manner following. ....And as for my temporal 

Estate I give and Bequeath in manner following

Item I give and Bequath to Mary Blake – daughter of John Blake of Abbotts

Ann malster one guinea Item to Tho[ma]s Blake son of Joseph Blake of

Upp[er] Clatford Six and thirty shillings Item to Ann Blake Daughter of the

said Joseph Blake Six and Thirty Shillings to be paid by my Executor

herein after named within one month after my decease All the rest of my

estate with Reall and personal goods Chattels stock and household there of what

nature or kind soever or thereever I give to my son in Law Joseph Blake

and I do  nominate and appoint the said Joseph Blake sole Executor of this

my Last Will and Testament. And so revoke all former Wills by me heretofore

made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament in Witness thereof

I the said Thomas King have hereunto set my hand and seal the day

and year first above Written   The mark of  X Tho[ma]s King

Signed ......                                             

[signed] William Deo

[signed] Richard Gould

[signed] Jos[eph] Niends                                           

The 15^th Day of March 1763

Joseph Blake the Sole Executor named in the above written Will ....

Thomas only mentions one of his two grandchildren in the will. Thomas is an infant at the time of writing (the first Thomas who died in 1767). A number of people connect to this first Thomas even though they have his death date in 1767. Some have written to me and I have given them the correct linkage. I wonder if it is because he wants to remember both of his grand daughters and more on that towards the end of this story.

Thomas also only mentions his son in law although his daughter Joanna is living and will have three more children.  His daughter Mary was married to John Blake and she was buried at Abbots Ann. The memorial stone is very difficult to read and her burial was in February but the year is not distinct. However he didn't mention his daughter Joanna who was alive so not particularly illuminating. 

Thomas King was married to Mary Carter and the parents of Joseph were Thomas Blake and Ann Carter. Research on the Carter family has led me to Richard Carter and Elizabeth Musprett who married 4 Aug 1701 at Andover and baptized two daughters at Andover Mary 27 Feb 1711 and Ann 18 Nov 1713. Although the distance between Upper Clatford and Andover is short the Blake family lived at the north end of Andover closest to Penton Mewsey and one wonders how they all met in retrospect. John Blake was in Abbots Ann before he married Mary King although they married at Upper Clatford as well 15 Dec 1753. What prompted these two Blake males to marry the daughters of Thomas and Mary Carter at Upper Clatford?  John was older than Joseph; probably born around 1714 and likely the son of Robert Carter and Elizabeth Russell of Abbots Ann (formerly of Penton Mewsey and before that Andover!). 

Joseph was baptized 21 Oct 1730 at Andover the son of Thomas Blake and Ann Carter who were themselves married 8 Dec 1728 at Penton Mewsey. I have struggled with this set of marriage lines but now feel confident for reasons outlined earlier in my blog that indeed Joseph's father Thomas is the Thomas who married Ann Carter. In 1734 the infant Thomas Blake (son of Thomas and Ann Blake) and his mother Ann are buried at Penton Mewsey the 22 Dec 1734 and the 20 Dec 1734 respectively. The baptism of Thomas Blake (father of Joseph) was 4 May 1709 at Andover the son of Thomas Blake and Mary Spring and they were married 6 Nov 1708 at Andover and Thomas is the only child baptized to them. Thomas (father of Thomas) was buried 29 Jan 1714 at Andover and Mary (Spring) Blake was buried 2 Apr 1734 also at Andover. It is curious that Ann and Thomas were buried at Penton Mewsey but perhaps There is a Blake plot there although the parish registers do not go back this far unfortunately. Thomas (buried 1714) was baptized 21 Feb 1685 at Andover. His parents were John and Elizabeth Blake (Elizabeth's birth surname is unknown even after eight years of searching for it) and their marriage is not in the parish registers for Andover (likely they married around 1683/4 as their first child was baptized 6 Feb 1684 and buried 15 Feb 1684 at Andover (old calendar). John\s baptism was recorded by his father William 10 May 1649 in the Andover Parish Registers but this Blake family lived at Penton Mewsey. John was the second son of William Blake and Ann Hellier who were married 5 Sep 1644 at Andover. The older brother William remains unknown at this time but could he be the father of Robert Blake who married Elizabeth Russell at Andover 15 Jul 1694?

I had not thought of that before so is a new avenue to explore for the Blake family at Abbots Ann. 

Joseph died young at 37 years of age just  two weeks before his son Thomas who had been baptized 29 Mar 1761 at Upper Clatford. No mention of the cause of death for either of them but there were measles epidemics at this time in Upper Clatford as mentioned in the story on John Coleman. 

My ancestry including Joseph Blake:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Ernest Edward George BLAKE (b 2 Oct 1904) - Eastleigh Hampshire England
3. Samuel George Blake (b 10 Feb 1875) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
4. Edward Blake (b 2 Jan 1845) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
5. John BLAKE (b 25 Feb 1799) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
6. Thomas BLAKE (b 25 Oct 1767) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
7. Joseph BLAKE (b 21 Oct 1730) - Andover Hampshire England
8. Thomas BLAKE (b 4 May 1709) - Andover Hampshire England
9. Thomas BLAKE (b 21 Feb 1685) - Andover Hampshire England
10. John BLAKE (b 10 May 1649) - Andover Hampshire England
11. William BLAKE (b 9 Aug 1615) - Andover Hampshire England
12. William BLAKE (b c 1580s) - Andover Hampshire England
13. Richard BLAKE (b c 1550s) - Eastontown Hampshire England
14. William BLAKE (b c 1510s - 1520s) - Knights Enham Hampshire England
15. Nicholas BLAKE (b c 1490s) - Knights Enham Hampshire England
16. Richard BLAKE (husband of Jone who left a will in 1527 naming her children and his will of 1522) - Knights Enham Hampshire England
17. Robert BLAKE (left his will in 1521, he was elderly, possibly b c 1450s)  - Enham Hampshire England

Colonel By Day in Ottawa, Canada

Ed and I spent yesterday in the Park area around the Bytown Museum down by the Rideau Locks at the table for the Ontario Genealogical Society, Ottawa Branch. It is the one event that we try to do every year as our helping out bit with the branch. It didn't seem as busy as other years down in the booth area but a walk back up to the top of the locks did demonstrate that there were a lot of people there. Perhaps one doesn't remember well year after year. I certainly had a hoarse voice by the end of the day so must have done quite a bit of talking. A lot of people were interested in tracing their family trees and I always give the sage advice to look at FamilySearch first and pop in your grandparents/great grandparents names to see if there is anything there for them. Their records are very extensive from many many countries around the globe.

This holiday marks the beginning of the "dog days" of summer as we gradually move into the Fall. It was cool yesterday and I was wrapped up in a big shawl all of the day. The wind off the water was cool.

It is always interesting to meet people with seven, eight and nine generation Canadian ancestry like my husband. Their roots are now deep in this country and many of them have ancestry from all over northern Europe and the British Isles also like my husband. Their ancestor stories have long been forgotten which is rather a shame. Growing up with all the stories of my ancestral families coming to Canada was fun although my own ancestry is very short here with just my mother, her father and his mother actually being born in Canada - all the rest come from 12 different English counties and more further back in time (Devon, Somerset, Hampshire, Dorset, Wiltshire, London, Surrey, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Leicestershire, East Riding of Yorkshire, Cumberland) with each of the groups coming as five separate waves and my first being my 3x great grandparents Routledge (both surname Routledge and 2nd cousins once removed with their nine children, son in law and two grandsons) in the summer of 1818 from Bewcastle, Cumberland, the next my 2x great grandfather Robert Gray coming from Etton, East Riding of Yorkshire around 1832 (and he married a Routledge daughter), then my 2x great grandparents John Pincombe from Bishops Nympton, Devon and his wife Elizabeth Rew from Selworthy, Somerset with their five children landing at the Port of New York in January 1851 and coming overland to southwestern Ontario by March 1851 (and their son William Robert Pincombe  married a daughter of Robert Gray and Mary Routledge - Grace Gray), then my grandmother Ellen Rosina Buller arrived in 1908 from Birmingham, Warwickshire and she married John Routledge Pincombe son of William Robert and Grace, finally my Blake grandparents - Samuel George Blake of Upper Clatford, Hampshire and Edith Bessie Taylor (aka Ada Bessie Cotteril Rawlings) of Kimpton, Hampshire with their son and my father who married the daughter of John Routledge Pincombe and Ellen Rosina Buller. All of their stories were passed down to me as a child.

Before the days of television we used to sit around the fireplace in the evenings before bedtime and my parents and grandparents would talk about their families. I think that that must have also been the case for the ancestors of many of those I met today but gradually over time the "older" stories didn't get passed on probably because there were exciting new stories to tell of the families that were closer in time. I try to remember to tell the stories to my own children but life is busy and one can see how that happens . . . . the stories disappear into the wells of time. Hence this blog of mine which is my living memory which I back up rather regularly. But I wonder if anyone would ever read my now over 1100 blogs!

Back to transcription.

Marriage Challenge and Andover

A discussion on Marriage Challenges on the Discussion Forum for the Guild of One Name Studies led to an interesting discovery on my part. I could assist with a Marriage Challenge by extracting the marriages that I have at the parishes in the Andover Registration District - Andover, Abbots Ann, Upper Clatford, Goodworth Clatford, and Penton Mewsey. Not sure how many of the smaller parishes that I have marriages from 1837 to the present but will check on that. I need to set up the Cardinal Points so will work away at that and then I can set up an excel file and work away at that a bit each day.

I am now up to 5108 baptisms and just three pages left on the first fiche. There are three fiches for this time period (1642 - 1684) for the baptisms, marriages and burials. My excel file includes the fiche #, line # and image # to make finding the information again quite easy.

I had decided to resign from all of the county historical societies and other groups to which I have belonged for about five or six years and more in some cases except for the Guild of One Name Studies and I received an Exit Survey back for one of the organizations. It will be difficult to fill in because I resigned mostly because I was getting overloaded with journals and I simply couldn't read them all. Now I am in the mode of deciding which journals I found most beneficial to my work and that I consistently would read other than the Guild Journal. Leaving the Guild was too awkward which was the main reason for not retrenching completely!

I mostly blame it on being able to trace most of my lines and back quite a way. Having gotten back into the 1700s with all of them and further back for a number of them, I simply do not have enough hours in the day to do research. I need to make a decision on what I want to thoroughly research and what I will leave for someone else in the future if I am so lucky as to have someone pick all of this up :)

From what I understand though Cardinal Points are the first and last marriage in a quarter for each contributing institution (churches, court houses perhaps and licensed agencies). I do not know how marriages work in England outside of Churches. I am also noticing that each institution has a page of their own in the county registry office - for instance St Mary Abbotts Ann was page 37 and St Marys Andover was page 39 and all marriages are recorded on these pages in date order - all four marriages for Andover 3rd quarter 1837 were listed for page 39 in Free BMD. The single marriage for Abbotts Ann was listed. There were five other numbers 41, 43, 45, 47 and 49. Since Ludgershall would probably have at least as many marriages as Andover they are probably the second large one. Interestingly this Registration District crosses into Wiltshire. Since these numbers appear fixed it should be possible to determine which pages belong to which parishes and I shall see if I can figure that out as I have a number of Parishes that are in Andover RD.

Andover RD

Abbotts Ann St Mary
Amport St Mary
Andover St Mary
Appleshaw St Peter
Barton Stacey All Saints
Bullington St Michael
Chilbolton St Mary
Chute
Chute Forest
Faccombe St Barnabas
Foxcott
Fyfield St Nicholas
Goodworth Clatford St Peter
Grateley St Leonard
Hurstbourne Tarrant St Peter
Kimpton St Peter and St Paul
Knights Enham St Michael the Archangel
Linkenholt St Peter
Longparish St Nicholas
Ludgershall
Monxton St Mary
North Tidworth
Penton Grafton
Penton Mewsey Holy Trinity
Quarley St Michael
Shipton Bellinger St Peter
Smannell
South Tedworth Old St Mary
Tangley St Thomas
Thruxton St Peter
Upper Clatford All Saints
Vernhams Dean St Mary
Wherwell St Peter

I have the fiche for: Abbotts Ann, Andover, Goodworth Clatford, Kimpton, Knights Enham, Penton Mewsey and Upper Clatford. However, I do not always have the marriages from 1837 to 1912 for all of these parishes. I purchased them to look at the Blake families there and I wasn't interested past 1812 in most cases and not after 1750 for many of them although I did buy them into the 1800s.

I can trace my Blake line clearly back to the 1600s so did not have a strong need for the parish records into the 1800s.