I also corresponded two days ago with a Wheedon-Greenslade family researcher. He has corrected my original thought that William Greenslade was the son of Francis (b 1750) and the son of John Greenslade and Margaret Wheedon. This particular William is accounted for in his study as having emigrated! I then returned to the drawing board and located another William son of Francis with a son Francis baptized in 1809. The Francis on the census with William in 1841 is 25 but the dates were rounded down so perhaps this is the William that I am looking for and will do more searching to determine if that is true. That pretty much cleared out the Wheedon connection except for Joan (daughter of John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade) marrying Thomas Wheedon whose connection back I have clarified. Joan Greenslade married to John Siderfin is a sister to the Francis above and that would mean that their grandchildren married as a second marriage for William late in life and for Mary as a first marriage when she was 57 years old. There were no children resulting from this marriage.
I had wondered whether the Greenslade families were related and that clarification is interesting. Since the Greenslade family had married into the Wheedon family earlier perhaps this was the impetus for the later Siderfin - Wheedon marriage with Joan Greenslade Siderfin's nephew marrying one of her daughters.
Today I am working on the research study as I need to determine how to readily submit samples to GenBank.
Showing posts with label Greenslade. Show all posts
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Wednesday, February 3, 2010
Sunday, January 31, 2010
Siderfin-Greenslade-Wheedon families
For quite a while I have meant to spend some time on the Siderfin - Greenslade - Wheedon families as they intermarried into the Siderfin family of Somerset England. Today I just happened to fall into that thought pattern once again. An email from a fellow Siderfin researcher prompted it. I am still trying to resolve the chart for the Siderfin family which James Sanders produced in his 1912 book on the Siderfin family.
I had a few marriages between the Greenslade family and the Siderfin family. A few marriages between the Wheddon family and the Siderfin family. A few marriages between the Greenslade and the Wheddon family. All members lived in the vicinity of Cutcombe or Wootton Courtney or Selworthy Somerset.
I had a small amount of information to aid me. I knew that the father of William Greenslade (widower) who married Mary Siderfin 22 Apr 1843 at Minehead was Francis. I found William on the 1841 census at Fiddington (Inwood Farm) with his son Francis (25). The Mary Siderfin that he married is the daughter of John Siderfin and Joan Adams. The late acquisition of the will of Mary Siderfin (spinster) has provided the clue for linking this set of children back to John Siderfin and Joan Adams. The parents of John Siderfin are John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade. I was always curious as to whether there was a relationship between these two Greenslade families.
Working back Francis Greenslade (baptized 3 May 1750 at Wootton Courtney) and Joane Wheddon baptized their son William 8 Feb 1782 at Wootton Courtney and the marriage of Francis Greenslade to Joane Wheddon (baptized 9 Jan 1753 Wootton Courtney) was celebrated 12 January 1774 at Wootton Courtney. It was possible to then determine working my way back that John Greenslade and Margaret Wheddon were the parents of Francis Greenslade. They married 31 Mar 1742 at Wootton Courtney. This John Greenslade was the son of Thomas Greenslade and Christian Stoate who are said to have married in 1709 at Selworthy but this marriage does not appear on the register transcriptions (I need to check my fiche to see if it is actually there).
Thomas and Christian Greenslade had two children of interest: John baptized 27 Jul 1714 at Selworthy and already mentioned above
and Joan Greenslade who was baptized 3 May 1718 at Selworthy.
Joan Greenslade married John Siderfin (mentioned earlier) 26 Mar 1743 at Cutcombe. He was baptized 14 Jan 1722 at Cutcombe. Their oldest child Mary left a will which mentions all of her nieces and nephews. Her sister Joan (baptized 8 Jan 1747 at Cutcombe) married Thomas Wheddon 16 May 1782 at Cutcombe. He was baptized 19 Mar 1754 at Wootton Courtney and the son of Attowell Wheddon and Mary White who had married 2 Dec 1751 at Taunton (St Mary).
Attowell Wheddon and Mary had two children that fit into this family scheme.
Thomas already mentioned and Joane (baptized 9 Jan 1753 at Wootton Courtney) and also mentioned as the wife of Francis Greenslade.
I have thus managed to connect all the Greenslade families and most of the Wheddon families but I still have Margaret Wheddon without parents. There is a Betty Wheddon baptized in 1721 at Wootton Courtney with parents Thomas and Joane (these are the parents of Attowell who was baptized 4 Oct 1724 at Wootton Courtney). I will continue to investigate the possibility that Margaret is their daughter but there is another Wheddon family at Wootton Courtney but they had a child in 1721 already (she wasn't Margaret :) ). The date of 1721 is a guess by another researcher so I can not stick with that in particular. Since she married in 1742 her baptism could be as late as 1725 or earlier than 1720 and I will check the registers as I have them. This is my first real try to bring some connectivity to these families.
Success and a plan to work on the missing details.
I had a few marriages between the Greenslade family and the Siderfin family. A few marriages between the Wheddon family and the Siderfin family. A few marriages between the Greenslade and the Wheddon family. All members lived in the vicinity of Cutcombe or Wootton Courtney or Selworthy Somerset.
I had a small amount of information to aid me. I knew that the father of William Greenslade (widower) who married Mary Siderfin 22 Apr 1843 at Minehead was Francis. I found William on the 1841 census at Fiddington (Inwood Farm) with his son Francis (25). The Mary Siderfin that he married is the daughter of John Siderfin and Joan Adams. The late acquisition of the will of Mary Siderfin (spinster) has provided the clue for linking this set of children back to John Siderfin and Joan Adams. The parents of John Siderfin are John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade. I was always curious as to whether there was a relationship between these two Greenslade families.
Working back Francis Greenslade (baptized 3 May 1750 at Wootton Courtney) and Joane Wheddon baptized their son William 8 Feb 1782 at Wootton Courtney and the marriage of Francis Greenslade to Joane Wheddon (baptized 9 Jan 1753 Wootton Courtney) was celebrated 12 January 1774 at Wootton Courtney. It was possible to then determine working my way back that John Greenslade and Margaret Wheddon were the parents of Francis Greenslade. They married 31 Mar 1742 at Wootton Courtney. This John Greenslade was the son of Thomas Greenslade and Christian Stoate who are said to have married in 1709 at Selworthy but this marriage does not appear on the register transcriptions (I need to check my fiche to see if it is actually there).
Thomas and Christian Greenslade had two children of interest: John baptized 27 Jul 1714 at Selworthy and already mentioned above
and Joan Greenslade who was baptized 3 May 1718 at Selworthy.
Joan Greenslade married John Siderfin (mentioned earlier) 26 Mar 1743 at Cutcombe. He was baptized 14 Jan 1722 at Cutcombe. Their oldest child Mary left a will which mentions all of her nieces and nephews. Her sister Joan (baptized 8 Jan 1747 at Cutcombe) married Thomas Wheddon 16 May 1782 at Cutcombe. He was baptized 19 Mar 1754 at Wootton Courtney and the son of Attowell Wheddon and Mary White who had married 2 Dec 1751 at Taunton (St Mary).
Attowell Wheddon and Mary had two children that fit into this family scheme.
Thomas already mentioned and Joane (baptized 9 Jan 1753 at Wootton Courtney) and also mentioned as the wife of Francis Greenslade.
I have thus managed to connect all the Greenslade families and most of the Wheddon families but I still have Margaret Wheddon without parents. There is a Betty Wheddon baptized in 1721 at Wootton Courtney with parents Thomas and Joane (these are the parents of Attowell who was baptized 4 Oct 1724 at Wootton Courtney). I will continue to investigate the possibility that Margaret is their daughter but there is another Wheddon family at Wootton Courtney but they had a child in 1721 already (she wasn't Margaret :) ). The date of 1721 is a guess by another researcher so I can not stick with that in particular. Since she married in 1742 her baptism could be as late as 1725 or earlier than 1720 and I will check the registers as I have them. This is my first real try to bring some connectivity to these families.
Success and a plan to work on the missing details.
Wednesday, January 20, 2010
Siderfin Family and continuing French Canadian Ancestry
My new correspondent and I have been sharing information. She found a new will (new to me!) at The National Archives (London UK) which has illuminated another error in James Sanders book. Definitely John Siderfin married to Joan Adams was John the son of John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade and not the son of Robert Siderfin and Grace Kent. This makes James Sanders chart completely incorrect as he shows his great grandfather as John Siderfin married to Sarah Clark being the son of John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade. This means that my Elizabeth (Betty) Siderfin (sister to John Siderfin married to Sarah Clark) was aunt to his grandfather Robert Siderfin. That means that Elizabeth Rew (Elizabeth Siderfin's daughter) was first cousin to Robert the father of Elizabeth Siderfin (mother to James Sanders). Mind you Robert was born in 1788 and Elizabeth in 1801. Then Elizabeth (daughter of Robert was born in 1817) and William Robert (my great grandfather) wasn't born until 1837. It could be the generational differences that resulted in this loss of knowledge. Plus my family emigrated to Canada in 1850. But it is still surprising that he incorrectly selected his great great grandparents. Mind you he wrote the book in the early 1900s and his mother died in 1882 and his grandfather Robert Siderfin died in 1859. James grew up at South Molton which is quite aways from the Watchett/Selworthy homes of his Siderfin ancestor. Surprisingly my Elizabeth Rew married John Pincombe at Bishops Nympton just five miles from South Molton but the discrepancy in ages may well have resulted in the mistake. In my family, the name Siderfin was never recorded on this side of the Atlantic so that family line was completely lost.
I continued working on my son-in-law's family. I am proving the 3x great grandparents now on his grandfather's side. I have managed to pull out quite a bit of information - census, CMBs and BMDs but a few still elude me. I spent part of the morning reading the 1851 census at St-Polycarpe, Vaudreuil County but did not find the Matte (Mathieu/Matts), Gagnon (Gagné), D'Outre or De La Tour families that I had hoped to find there. There were LaTour families but not the one I needed. I still need to check the marriage registration for Léon Matte and Marie Louise Gagnon at Prescott in 1865. The Geneaogical Society has transcribed the register and listed parents as Olivier Gagnon/Josephte Beruit (census shows de LaTour) and Joseph Matte/Josephte D'Outre (census shows Louis Matte/Josette Doutre). Reading the original at the Archives of Ontario will be helpful for this marriage I suspect. Because all four families were from the Vaudreuil area originally I had hoped to discover some information on the 1851 census but they may have already been moving to the Prescott area of Ontario by then. I do not find them at Prescott so possibly somewhere in between.
Today I will enter the proofs for the 3x great grandparents of the one line and then begin to work on the maternal line back to the 3x great grandparents. Putting the trees on ancestry was very very helpful with all the searching ability of this site. I had some really good hints that were most helpful.
I continued working on my son-in-law's family. I am proving the 3x great grandparents now on his grandfather's side. I have managed to pull out quite a bit of information - census, CMBs and BMDs but a few still elude me. I spent part of the morning reading the 1851 census at St-Polycarpe, Vaudreuil County but did not find the Matte (Mathieu/Matts), Gagnon (Gagné), D'Outre or De La Tour families that I had hoped to find there. There were LaTour families but not the one I needed. I still need to check the marriage registration for Léon Matte and Marie Louise Gagnon at Prescott in 1865. The Geneaogical Society has transcribed the register and listed parents as Olivier Gagnon/Josephte Beruit (census shows de LaTour) and Joseph Matte/Josephte D'Outre (census shows Louis Matte/Josette Doutre). Reading the original at the Archives of Ontario will be helpful for this marriage I suspect. Because all four families were from the Vaudreuil area originally I had hoped to discover some information on the 1851 census but they may have already been moving to the Prescott area of Ontario by then. I do not find them at Prescott so possibly somewhere in between.
Today I will enter the proofs for the 3x great grandparents of the one line and then begin to work on the maternal line back to the 3x great grandparents. Putting the trees on ancestry was very very helpful with all the searching ability of this site. I had some really good hints that were most helpful.
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