Will some of the earlier wills that I have still to work on help out with this Blake line at East/West Tytherley and Lockerley? The will of Walter Blake and as mentioned in the will yesterday for John Blake of Over Eldon, this Walter is the brother of John Blake and also of Robert Blake of Lockerley. The will is probated just six days after the death of Walter and the two named individuals are Annie [wife] and William Blake (perhaps the eldest son) since he is also named first in the order of the four children named by Walter namely William, John, Freeiswynd and Alice. It is possible that these children are young as neither of the girls are married in 1553 at the latest when John writes his will and mentions the children of his brother Walter.
I will come back and complete the probates later as they take quite a bit of time and in this case his wife and son William probated the will.
Walter mentions his parent’s wills or perhaps just his fathers as there is a will for Robert Blake of Lockerley written 22 Oct 1545 which I shall do next. That might answer the next question in my mind. Who is Robert Blake of Lockerley. There is a brother of Walter named Robert who lives at Lockerley.
Just to place these place names into context with respect to Andover; Lockerley is 13 miles south south west; East Tytherley is 11 miles south south west and Kings Somborne (Over Eldon is located in this parish) is 9 miles south. On the other hand, Kings Somborne is 8 miles west of Winchester, East Tytherley is 2 miles west of Winchester and Lockerley is 13 miles west. With regard to Salisbury, Lockerley is 10 miles east south east, East Tytherley is 10 miles east and Kings Somborne is 14 miles east.
These three areas mark specific centers where Blake families are found even in this early time period. Given that the results of my families yDNA does not match a known Blake line in the Winchester/Southampton area and the possible yDNA for the Salisbury area, one is left to conclude that there are a number of distinct Blake lines in the Hampshire/Wiltshire/Dorset/Berkshire areas. Why did they choose Blake as a surname? That is the question that has taken me on this rather long journey into the history of the Blake family. Certainly some of these families are related but is it by marriage? At an earlier time frame did some of the males take on the surname of a Blake daughter? Of course, there is always the possibility of illegitimacy back in the 1300s/1400s but I suspect that the acquisition of the surname Blake may have been through marriage rather than a Blake daughter having a child out of wedlock. These Blake families knew each other although did not generally refer to each other as cousin thus far in my transcriptions of these early wills where other Blake families are mentioned but not as relations.
Gradually as I continue with my one name study of the Blake family, I am acquiring an enormous appreciation for the Blake researchers that have come before me. I wish I had more of their information which they acquired on the one hand but on the other hand, I am not limited by their interpretations. Coming from what appears to be a rather small branch of this Andover Blake family, I have no preconceived notions about this family. Other than my father and grandfather mentioning Old Hall where their ancient ancestor lived, any real information on the Blake family handed down to me is limited to their time at Upper Clatford from the mid 1700s on.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 19 Mar 2014
Source: Family Search Film 186689, Catalogue C-687, number 105
Testator: Walter Blake
Place: East Tytherley, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 9 Jul 1547, probated 15 Jul 1547
Condition: 16h century English, legible copy
[Wrapper]: 1547 Walterus blake estitherley
[Wrapper]: Test[a]m[ent] Walteri Blake de 1547
1 In dei no[m]i[n]e Amen The ix th day of July In the yere of o[u]r lorde god m ccccc xl
2 vij th I Walter Blake of Est tedurley hole of mynde and seke in body makyth my
3 testament in this maner folwyng first I gyve and bequeth my soul to god my
4 body to be buried in the church lyttyn of saynt peter In Est tedurley beside
5 my frendys In p[ri]mis I gyff to my mother churche of the holy trinitie iiij d It[e]m
6 I gyff to my brother John Blake of over Elden xx shepe the one halfe males
7 the other ewys It[e]m to my brother Robert Blake of lokerley street vj shepe
8 half males half yewys It[e]m I gyf to will[ia]m Chroscyll one ewe and a lam[b]
9 It[e]m I will that John Blake my brother and Richerd Basset be my oversears
10 of this my testament And eyther of them to have for ther labo[u]rs vj s viij d It[e]m
11 I wyll to have my father and mothers obyt to be kept yerely and to byingd
12 for my discharge Accordyng to ther wyllys for my discharge to the which
13 I was sworne that they may be remembred yerely And I and all my good
14 fends sawlys and all estym sawles w[i]th them The residew of all my goods
15 not bequeathed my detts payde I gyf and bequeth to Annye Blake my wyf
16 to Will[ia]m Blake John Blake Freeiswynd Blake and Alice Blake my children
17 whome I make myne executors that they dispose for my soule as they thynke
18 best Also I will that all my othere goods be devydid to my saide executors
19 In this man[ner] Fyrst Annye my saide wyfe to have the one half of my saide
20 goods And my other iiij children being executors w[i]th her to have the
21 other half equally devidid amongs them iiij At the discret[i]on of my saide
22 supervisors Thes being witness George Boner John Colyns and John pragnge
23 w[i]th others
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Thursday, March 20, 2014
Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Will of Augustine Blake, Yeoman, Lockerley - The National Archives PROB 11/1829/430, probated 13 Aug 1658
I first discovered Austin Blake in the Tax rolls of Hampshire at West Tytherley in 1665 with the hearth tax return. In 1665 there was an Andrew Blake and a John Blake at Lockerley. At Lockerly in 1571 there was a Marmaduke Blake and a William Blake. There was an Augustien Blake baptized 19 Dec 1598 at Andover the son of John Blake (C05807-2 Family Search). There were at least two John Blake marriages at Andover in the 1590s and it isn't possible to isolate which John is the father of this Augustine or to determine if this is the Augustine found later at East Tytherley. Interestingly Augustine identifies his brother as John Blake. John Blake (one or many) baptized a number of children at Andover between 1592 and 1615: namely, (unknown) son baptized 29 Apr 1592, ......e son baptized 23 Nov 1594, John baptized 24 Aug 1596, Joan daughter baptized 17 Oct 1596, Augustine baptized 19 Dec 1598, Roberd son baptized 14 Mar 1600, Peter son baptized 11 Apr 1603, Dorothy daughter baptized 8 Aug 1615.
Why would this family have made a move to East Tytherley though between 1598 and 1636 when Augustine married there?
Augustine Blake the testator was married to Christian Couse at East Tytherley 30 Jan 1636 (M15502-1 Family Search). Note the spelling of Joane Cowse witness to the will below and I do wonder about the correct spelling of this surname. If this is Augustine born at Andover he would be 38 years old in 1636 and 60 in 1658 when his will was probated. A baptism for Christian Cowse was found at East Tytherley 29 Nov 1615 with John Cowse listed as father (C15502-1 Family search). No marriage found on Family Search for John Cowse 1600 to 1616 at East Tytherley. Find My Past has Augustine's burial at Lockerley as 4 Mar 1657. He must have written his will on his deathbed as it was dated 2 Mar 1657.
Children born to Augustine and Christian (Family Search C15502-1):
Augustine Blake baptized 9 Jan 1637 at East Tytherley
Nicholas Blake baptized 1 Mar 1639 at East Tytherley
Hugh Blake baptized 25 Apr 1641 at East Tytherley
The Austin Blake in the Tax rolls at West Tytherley is likely the Augustine Blake baptized 9 Jan 1637 at East Tytherley. Missing from these baptisms are the other children of Augustine and Christina namely: Joane, Mary, Richard, and Christian (with the last three it being noted that they are not yet 21. Later Augustine mentions there are four children not yet 21 and that would include Hugh who was baptized in 1641. Perhaps Nicholas has died as there isn't any mention of him in the will.
Held at the Hampshire Record Office in Winchester is a will for Walter Blake of East Tytherley which was probated in 1547. No idea on who Walter Blake is and given the date of his probate he would be a contemporary of Nicholas and his brother Robert. No mention of Walter Blake in any old records that I have found thus far other than this will.
East Tytherley is two miles north of Lockerley and 2 miles east south east of West Tytherley. Also East Dean is 1.6 miles WSW of East Tytherley and 2.0 miles WSW of West Dean and to give it a perspective with regard to Andover which is 12 miles NNE of East Tytherley. Because of the proximity to Wiltshire the need to transcribe those wills I have from the Swindon and Wiltshire Record Office becomes ever more apparent as most of them are from the 1500s. I believe that I will move to the Wiltshire Blake wills once I have completed Hampshire Wills in my possession. I have quite a number of Wiltshire wills and perhaps these will help to reveal the Blake family in this border area of Wiltshire/Hampshire/Dorset.
One interesting discovery as I trawled through some Family Search information on William Mershe was the discovery that he had married Mary Couse 8 Jun 1645 at East Tytherley. It would appear perhaps that William is not so much his brother in law but rather the husband of his wife's sister since Mary and Christian both have the surname Couse.
Augustine proved to be a popular forename in the Blake family with Richard Blake baptizing a son Augustine 22 Apr 1703 at West Tytherley, Augustine and Prudence Blake baptizing a son Augustine 22 Apr 1742 at West Tisted and Augustine and Elizabeth Blake baptizing a son Augustine 8 Aug 1698 at Basingstoke.
Looking at the Hampshire Record Office online catalogue there is a will of Augustine Blake of West Tytherley probated 1708, There is a will and inventory of Augustine Blake of West Tytherley, collarmaker probated 1767 and 16 Dec 1689 there is a lease for three lives given to Augustine Blake of West Tytherley, brickburner for land, messuage, coppice and meadow. It does appear that they do stay in the West Tytherley area. The wills I can request as images and in the future I have a list that I want to acquire. They must wait for the moment though until I have cleared my desk i.e. computer file of all the wills I have on hand. At first I thought to work through each one but now I am of the opinion that I need to transcribe them, then go through them and link them as I am able (have done some of this whilst working on them) and separate them into sets (i.e. by family, by area).
Selecting Lockerley as my search term for the Hampshire Record Office from 1500 to 1700 reveals a couple of interesting items:
Will of Robert Blake of Wallop Street Lockerley, 1545B/022 probated 1545
Will and inventory of Robert Blake of Street, Lockerley 1554U/03 probated 1554
Inventory of Marmaduke Blake, parish not given 1581AD/07 probated 1581 (his will is to come)
Probate inventory and renunciation of John Blake of Lockerley, husbandman 1670AD/016 probated 1670
This is likely the John Blake buried 23 Apr 1670 at Lockerley (Hampshire Genealogical Society).
Perhaps the last item might reveal information on Augustine if it happens to be his brother John whom he names in his will.
There are 271 wills held by the Wiltshire Record Office between the early 1500s and the middle 1800s for Blake family members. I have about 25 of the earliest ones which I will transcribe once Hampshire and a couple of extraneous wills are transcribed that I think might be helpful for the Rigge family and one other. Once Hampshire is complete I will return to my alphabetical listing and will begin at Hertsfordshire then London, Middlesex, Norfolk, Oxfordshire, etc.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 14 Oct 2012
Source: The National Archives, PROB 11/1829/430
Name of testator: Augustine Blake, Yeoman
Place: Lockerly, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Dated:2 Mar 1657, probated 13 Aug 1658
Read: Electronic file images
Condition: middle English, 17th century, tiny writing, fairly clear copy
[In margin] Augustine Blake
[In margin] 370
1 In the name of God Amen
2 I Augustine Blake of Lockerly in the County of South[amp]ton yeoman doth
3 here make my last Will, and Testament. first I bequeath my soule into ye hand
4 of Allmighty God, and my body to be buryed in the Churchyard of Lockerly. Item,
5 first I give to my sonne Hew ten pounds. Item, I give to my daughter Joane
6 ten pounds, to bee paid according to the discretion of my Executor. Item, I give
7 to my sonne Augusten ten pounds. Item, I give to my daughter Mary ten pounds.
8 Item, I give to my sonne Richard ten pounds. Item, I give to my daughter Christia[n]
9 ten pounds, to be paid when they come to the full age of one, and twenty yeares, and
10 if it shall please God that eyther of them deceased before, his, or her, the portion of
11 him or her to remayne to the other to bee devided between them by even and equall
12 por[t]ions, and I make Christian Blake my wife my full, and whole Executor of all
13 my goods household stuffe, and lumber whatsoever, and to receive all whatsoever is
14 due to mee, and to pay all my debts due to others and if my wife doe marry with any
15 man without the consent of William Mersh my brother in Law, to pay the summe
16 of Twenty pounds to William Mersh within one and twenty days after her
17 marriage to the use of my foure youngest children to increase their possessions, And
18 I heartily desire my brother John Blake, and William Mersh to be my Over-
19 seers, to see this my last Will, and Testament full filled, and I doe give to my
20 Overseers twelve pence a peice for their paines In witness hereof I Augusten
21 Blake doe here upon Sett my hand, and seale dated the second day of March
22 in ye year of our Lord God one thousand six hundred fifty and seven, the
23 marke of Augusten Blake. / Signed, and sealed in the p[re]sencs of the mark
24 of Joane Cowse, William Mearsh
25 This Will was proved at London the thirteenth day of August, one thousand
26 six hundred fifty eight before the Judges for probate of Wills etc. by the oath of
27 Christian Blake ye relicte sole Ex[ecu]trix etc to whom Admon etc was Comitted she
28 being first by Commission sworne truely to Administer etc.
Why would this family have made a move to East Tytherley though between 1598 and 1636 when Augustine married there?
Augustine Blake the testator was married to Christian Couse at East Tytherley 30 Jan 1636 (M15502-1 Family Search). Note the spelling of Joane Cowse witness to the will below and I do wonder about the correct spelling of this surname. If this is Augustine born at Andover he would be 38 years old in 1636 and 60 in 1658 when his will was probated. A baptism for Christian Cowse was found at East Tytherley 29 Nov 1615 with John Cowse listed as father (C15502-1 Family search). No marriage found on Family Search for John Cowse 1600 to 1616 at East Tytherley. Find My Past has Augustine's burial at Lockerley as 4 Mar 1657. He must have written his will on his deathbed as it was dated 2 Mar 1657.
Children born to Augustine and Christian (Family Search C15502-1):
Augustine Blake baptized 9 Jan 1637 at East Tytherley
Nicholas Blake baptized 1 Mar 1639 at East Tytherley
Hugh Blake baptized 25 Apr 1641 at East Tytherley
The Austin Blake in the Tax rolls at West Tytherley is likely the Augustine Blake baptized 9 Jan 1637 at East Tytherley. Missing from these baptisms are the other children of Augustine and Christina namely: Joane, Mary, Richard, and Christian (with the last three it being noted that they are not yet 21. Later Augustine mentions there are four children not yet 21 and that would include Hugh who was baptized in 1641. Perhaps Nicholas has died as there isn't any mention of him in the will.
Held at the Hampshire Record Office in Winchester is a will for Walter Blake of East Tytherley which was probated in 1547. No idea on who Walter Blake is and given the date of his probate he would be a contemporary of Nicholas and his brother Robert. No mention of Walter Blake in any old records that I have found thus far other than this will.
East Tytherley is two miles north of Lockerley and 2 miles east south east of West Tytherley. Also East Dean is 1.6 miles WSW of East Tytherley and 2.0 miles WSW of West Dean and to give it a perspective with regard to Andover which is 12 miles NNE of East Tytherley. Because of the proximity to Wiltshire the need to transcribe those wills I have from the Swindon and Wiltshire Record Office becomes ever more apparent as most of them are from the 1500s. I believe that I will move to the Wiltshire Blake wills once I have completed Hampshire Wills in my possession. I have quite a number of Wiltshire wills and perhaps these will help to reveal the Blake family in this border area of Wiltshire/Hampshire/Dorset.
One interesting discovery as I trawled through some Family Search information on William Mershe was the discovery that he had married Mary Couse 8 Jun 1645 at East Tytherley. It would appear perhaps that William is not so much his brother in law but rather the husband of his wife's sister since Mary and Christian both have the surname Couse.
Augustine proved to be a popular forename in the Blake family with Richard Blake baptizing a son Augustine 22 Apr 1703 at West Tytherley, Augustine and Prudence Blake baptizing a son Augustine 22 Apr 1742 at West Tisted and Augustine and Elizabeth Blake baptizing a son Augustine 8 Aug 1698 at Basingstoke.
Looking at the Hampshire Record Office online catalogue there is a will of Augustine Blake of West Tytherley probated 1708, There is a will and inventory of Augustine Blake of West Tytherley, collarmaker probated 1767 and 16 Dec 1689 there is a lease for three lives given to Augustine Blake of West Tytherley, brickburner for land, messuage, coppice and meadow. It does appear that they do stay in the West Tytherley area. The wills I can request as images and in the future I have a list that I want to acquire. They must wait for the moment though until I have cleared my desk i.e. computer file of all the wills I have on hand. At first I thought to work through each one but now I am of the opinion that I need to transcribe them, then go through them and link them as I am able (have done some of this whilst working on them) and separate them into sets (i.e. by family, by area).
Selecting Lockerley as my search term for the Hampshire Record Office from 1500 to 1700 reveals a couple of interesting items:
Will of Robert Blake of Wallop Street Lockerley, 1545B/022 probated 1545
Will and inventory of Robert Blake of Street, Lockerley 1554U/03 probated 1554
Inventory of Marmaduke Blake, parish not given 1581AD/07 probated 1581 (his will is to come)
Probate inventory and renunciation of John Blake of Lockerley, husbandman 1670AD/016 probated 1670
This is likely the John Blake buried 23 Apr 1670 at Lockerley (Hampshire Genealogical Society).
Perhaps the last item might reveal information on Augustine if it happens to be his brother John whom he names in his will.
There are 271 wills held by the Wiltshire Record Office between the early 1500s and the middle 1800s for Blake family members. I have about 25 of the earliest ones which I will transcribe once Hampshire and a couple of extraneous wills are transcribed that I think might be helpful for the Rigge family and one other. Once Hampshire is complete I will return to my alphabetical listing and will begin at Hertsfordshire then London, Middlesex, Norfolk, Oxfordshire, etc.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 14 Oct 2012
Source: The National Archives, PROB 11/1829/430
Name of testator: Augustine Blake, Yeoman
Place: Lockerly, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Dated:2 Mar 1657, probated 13 Aug 1658
Read: Electronic file images
Condition: middle English, 17th century, tiny writing, fairly clear copy
[In margin] Augustine Blake
[In margin] 370
1 In the name of God Amen
2 I Augustine Blake of Lockerly in the County of South[amp]ton yeoman doth
3 here make my last Will, and Testament. first I bequeath my soule into ye hand
4 of Allmighty God, and my body to be buryed in the Churchyard of Lockerly. Item,
5 first I give to my sonne Hew ten pounds. Item, I give to my daughter Joane
6 ten pounds, to bee paid according to the discretion of my Executor. Item, I give
7 to my sonne Augusten ten pounds. Item, I give to my daughter Mary ten pounds.
8 Item, I give to my sonne Richard ten pounds. Item, I give to my daughter Christia[n]
9 ten pounds, to be paid when they come to the full age of one, and twenty yeares, and
10 if it shall please God that eyther of them deceased before, his, or her, the portion of
11 him or her to remayne to the other to bee devided between them by even and equall
12 por[t]ions, and I make Christian Blake my wife my full, and whole Executor of all
13 my goods household stuffe, and lumber whatsoever, and to receive all whatsoever is
14 due to mee, and to pay all my debts due to others and if my wife doe marry with any
15 man without the consent of William Mersh my brother in Law, to pay the summe
16 of Twenty pounds to William Mersh within one and twenty days after her
17 marriage to the use of my foure youngest children to increase their possessions, And
18 I heartily desire my brother John Blake, and William Mersh to be my Over-
19 seers, to see this my last Will, and Testament full filled, and I doe give to my
20 Overseers twelve pence a peice for their paines In witness hereof I Augusten
21 Blake doe here upon Sett my hand, and seale dated the second day of March
22 in ye year of our Lord God one thousand six hundred fifty and seven, the
23 marke of Augusten Blake. / Signed, and sealed in the p[re]sencs of the mark
24 of Joane Cowse, William Mearsh
25 This Will was proved at London the thirteenth day of August, one thousand
26 six hundred fifty eight before the Judges for probate of Wills etc. by the oath of
27 Christian Blake ye relicte sole Ex[ecu]trix etc to whom Admon etc was Comitted she
28 being first by Commission sworne truely to Administer etc.
Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Y DNA and deep ancestry
I am in the process of writing up an article for our Blake Newsletter (http://blakeheritage.synthasite.com/the-blake-newsletter.php) which will be published 1st of April 2011. It will be the second issue of this first volume. Barrie Blake created the January issue discussing Heraldry (display of ermine) which can be found at the website mentioned above). Heraldry is a very important part of the Blake Family knowledge because coats of arms were used by a number of the different founding lines. I hope that in one of Barrie's newsletters he tells us something about why particular items were chosen for the individual Blake coats of arms. In the case of my line, why the sheafs of wheat. I might think it was because they were landowners but perhaps there is a deeper significance.
In the course of writing up the article on Y DNA and deep ancestry, I have ended up producing two newsletters and will let Barrie choose the one that he feels best suits our newsletter style. The other one I will then put into my blog because it has a lot of links to a European website that I have just been observing and it is incredible for its depth of study on the European lines and their origins.
I plan to return to the Abbotts Ann Parish Registers after completing the newsletter and will also continue working on my gedcom to be put up on the Blake Heritage site. I would like it to be very complete in terms of all the wills that I have transcribed thus far and the BMB records that I have gleaned from the parish registers that I have transcribed.
Carrying on with yesterday's discussion on the various papers, original records that I am examining once again as I work through my additions to my Blake family tree, I mentioned the paper in The American Genealogist written by Paul Reed. He mentioned that "The Robert Blake of Enham, who was Nicholas Blake's uncle is ancestor of Mary Blake, grandmother of the immigrant Shadrack Hapgood. The will of this Robert Blayke was dated 16 Dec 1522 and though no date of probate was attached, it is listed in the year 1522 in the manuscript calendar. He mentioned his son Thomas Blayke, his son Richard Blayke (executor), Andrew Blayke, William Blayke (no specific relationship stated) and Robert Blayke (no relationship stated). The son Richard died the same year as his father. Richard's will, recorded in Latin, was dated 12 April and proved 23 May 1522. He [Richard] mentioned his wife, my brother Thomas Blayke, Robert Blayke my father and my mother."
Shadrack Hapgood was the son of Joanne Scullard and Thomas Hapgood who married 25 Oct 1641 at Andover Hampshire England. Joanna Scullard was the daughter of Shadrack Scullard and Marye Blake who married probably in 1603. Although the IGI lists their marriage as being in Andover (patron entry), there isn't a marriage in the Andover register for this couple. Perhaps they married at Knights Enham as that was Mary's birthplace. The Knights Enham (extant) registers do not begin until later in the 1600s. Mary's parents were first cousins with Nicholas the son of John Blake the younger and Dorothy Blake the daughter of John Blake the elder. Both Johns were sons of Robert Blake (brother to Nicholas Blake (d 1547)). The reference to Mary being a descendant of Robert who left a will in 1522 does not appear to fit the details. Paul Reed says that Robert was an uncle to Nicholas (d 1547) so must also have been an Uncle to Robert the brother of Nicholas and this Robert left a will in 1542. However, has Paul put together a scenario that might shed some light on this family in the early 1500s.
This Robert (d 1522) has a son Thomas and a son Richard (who also died in 1522). The Andrew Blake it is noted has no specific relationship. William and Robert also carry the notation no specific relationship. The puzzle of when the death of Richard occurred relative to his father's is perhaps solved by his comment that the actual will was written in December 1521 although not entered into the calendar until probate perhaps. Richard's death was sudden perhaps whereas his father may have already been ill and perhaps succumbed shortly after his son's death. The interesting part in all of this is Thomas. There is a Thomas who leaves a will at Andover in 1541. If Paul Reed is correct and this Robert is a brother to the father of Nicholas (d 1547) and Robert (d 1542), then we have a second line of Blake which dates back to before 1500 at Andover. The name of the one brother would be Robert and the name of the second brother unknown (but married to Jone who left a will in 1527).
In this same will we have three Blake members with no relationship stated: Andrew, William and Robert. In 1522. Nicholas (d 1547) and Robert (d 1542) are probably adults given the calculations I went through in a blog a couple of weeks ago. Nicholas was possibly born in the late 1480s and Robert a similar time period. I wonder why Paul Reed refers to Robert as an uncle of Nicholas. I do not see anything in this text that proves that Robert was his uncle. On the next page of the article Paul Reed's quotes the will that Jone Blake (mother of Nicholas and Robert) left dated 28 Mar 1527. Nicholas' name is written before Robert so one might assume he is the eldest.
One other piece of information in the paper, mentions that Robert Blake's widow was Matilda or Mawde who died in 1525 leaving a will which no longer survives There is a marriage of Robert Blake to Maude Snell as a patron entry on the IGI. I suspect at this point only the manor records for Knights Enham/Kings Enham can provide the answers I am looking for with regard to any connection between Robert Blake married to Maude Snell and Blake married to Jone .
Finding that this Robert Blake has sons Richard and Thomas is rather interesting though given that there are wills at Andover for a Richard (d 1522) and a Thomas (d 1541). Wills at Andover in this time period listed in the Hampshire Record Office Catalogue for Blake:
1522B/03 Will of Richard Blake (Blayke) of Knights Enham, Hampshire 1522
1522B/04 Will of Robert Blake (Blayke) of Knights Enham, Hampshire 1522
1528B/06 Will of Joan Blake 'of Enham' [=Knights Enham?], Hampshire, widow 1528
1541U/06 Will of Thomas Blake of Andover, Hampshire 1541
1542B/06 Will of Robert Blake of Enham, Andover, Hampshire 1542
1546B/017 Will of Agnes Blake of Quarley, Hampshire, wife of Harry 1546
1546B/018 Will of Harry Blake of Quarley, Hampshire 1546
1547B/008 Will of Walter Blake of East Tytherley, Hampshire 1547
The first five wills in this list have already been put into family grouping but who are the other three people who left wills in the Andover area in the 1540s? Who is Harry (Henry?) Blake and who is Walter Blake? To really put the family together in the 1500s I think we need to know the origins of these two Blake families as well. As soon as the opportunity arises I shall attempt to get hold of those two wills.
If Paul Reed is correct in naming Robert as an uncle of Nicholas (d 1547) then how early was this family at Knights Enham - again a query that might be best answered by the Manor Records. Do they, as some researchers have in their trees, trace back to Henry Blake married to Margaret Billet at Calne? Is their line second cousin to Robert Blake married to Avis Wallop (and first cousin to his father Robert Blake married to Avice Malwyn)? This is the point at which Somerby created a history for the Blake family at Andover. He claimed that William (brother to Robert Blake married to Avice Malwyn) had sons William and Robert. This Robert would be the Robert married to Maude Snell and one is left to presume that the husband of Jone (d 1527) was William. Looking at this from the naming of children - Nicholas named his eldest son William and Robert named his third son William (first son was Robert and second son was John (the elder)). Nicholas' son William named his eldest son John and his second son William. There was always a William Blake in these lines down to the mid 1600s. The Robert Blake line coming down not so often.
However, Horatio Somerby gave children to William supposed brother of Robert that were incorrect - Nicholas was correct but Humphrey was wrong. The wife of William was not Mary as he stated but would have been Jone who left a will in 1547. This is the beginning of the falsification as the history backwards is verified by the College of Arms Chart and the Visitations. The need to eliminate this falsification is shown by the number of family books that are published by descendants of the Blake family particularly in the United States who lift the information on the parentage of Humphrey from this book attaching it as shown in the book to their own line back to Humphrey. Paul Reed's article is greatly appreciated for bringing that to the attention of Blake researchers. However, he has introduced a new query into the study with his comment that Robert (d 1522) was an uncle to Nicholas. Perhaps I will write a query to TAG, as we are subscribers, which might generate a little discussion now that I have clearly put together his thoughts in my mind at least.
In the course of writing up the article on Y DNA and deep ancestry, I have ended up producing two newsletters and will let Barrie choose the one that he feels best suits our newsletter style. The other one I will then put into my blog because it has a lot of links to a European website that I have just been observing and it is incredible for its depth of study on the European lines and their origins.
I plan to return to the Abbotts Ann Parish Registers after completing the newsletter and will also continue working on my gedcom to be put up on the Blake Heritage site. I would like it to be very complete in terms of all the wills that I have transcribed thus far and the BMB records that I have gleaned from the parish registers that I have transcribed.
Carrying on with yesterday's discussion on the various papers, original records that I am examining once again as I work through my additions to my Blake family tree, I mentioned the paper in The American Genealogist written by Paul Reed. He mentioned that "The Robert Blake of Enham, who was Nicholas Blake's uncle is ancestor of Mary Blake, grandmother of the immigrant Shadrack Hapgood. The will of this Robert Blayke was dated 16 Dec 1522 and though no date of probate was attached, it is listed in the year 1522 in the manuscript calendar. He mentioned his son Thomas Blayke, his son Richard Blayke (executor), Andrew Blayke, William Blayke (no specific relationship stated) and Robert Blayke (no relationship stated). The son Richard died the same year as his father. Richard's will, recorded in Latin, was dated 12 April and proved 23 May 1522. He [Richard] mentioned his wife, my brother Thomas Blayke, Robert Blayke my father and my mother."
Shadrack Hapgood was the son of Joanne Scullard and Thomas Hapgood who married 25 Oct 1641 at Andover Hampshire England. Joanna Scullard was the daughter of Shadrack Scullard and Marye Blake who married probably in 1603. Although the IGI lists their marriage as being in Andover (patron entry), there isn't a marriage in the Andover register for this couple. Perhaps they married at Knights Enham as that was Mary's birthplace. The Knights Enham (extant) registers do not begin until later in the 1600s. Mary's parents were first cousins with Nicholas the son of John Blake the younger and Dorothy Blake the daughter of John Blake the elder. Both Johns were sons of Robert Blake (brother to Nicholas Blake (d 1547)). The reference to Mary being a descendant of Robert who left a will in 1522 does not appear to fit the details. Paul Reed says that Robert was an uncle to Nicholas (d 1547) so must also have been an Uncle to Robert the brother of Nicholas and this Robert left a will in 1542. However, has Paul put together a scenario that might shed some light on this family in the early 1500s.
This Robert (d 1522) has a son Thomas and a son Richard (who also died in 1522). The Andrew Blake it is noted has no specific relationship. William and Robert also carry the notation no specific relationship. The puzzle of when the death of Richard occurred relative to his father's is perhaps solved by his comment that the actual will was written in December 1521 although not entered into the calendar until probate perhaps. Richard's death was sudden perhaps whereas his father may have already been ill and perhaps succumbed shortly after his son's death. The interesting part in all of this is Thomas. There is a Thomas who leaves a will at Andover in 1541. If Paul Reed is correct and this Robert is a brother to the father of Nicholas (d 1547) and Robert (d 1542), then we have a second line of Blake which dates back to before 1500 at Andover. The name of the one brother would be Robert and the name of the second brother unknown (but married to Jone who left a will in 1527).
In this same will we have three Blake members with no relationship stated: Andrew, William and Robert. In 1522. Nicholas (d 1547) and Robert (d 1542) are probably adults given the calculations I went through in a blog a couple of weeks ago. Nicholas was possibly born in the late 1480s and Robert a similar time period. I wonder why Paul Reed refers to Robert as an uncle of Nicholas. I do not see anything in this text that proves that Robert was his uncle. On the next page of the article Paul Reed's quotes the will that Jone Blake (mother of Nicholas and Robert) left dated 28 Mar 1527. Nicholas' name is written before Robert so one might assume he is the eldest.
One other piece of information in the paper, mentions that Robert Blake's widow was Matilda or Mawde who died in 1525 leaving a will which no longer survives There is a marriage of Robert Blake to Maude Snell as a patron entry on the IGI. I suspect at this point only the manor records for Knights Enham/Kings Enham can provide the answers I am looking for with regard to any connection between Robert Blake married to Maude Snell and
Finding that this Robert Blake has sons Richard and Thomas is rather interesting though given that there are wills at Andover for a Richard (d 1522) and a Thomas (d 1541). Wills at Andover in this time period listed in the Hampshire Record Office Catalogue for Blake:
1522B/03 Will of Richard Blake (Blayke) of Knights Enham, Hampshire 1522
1522B/04 Will of Robert Blake (Blayke) of Knights Enham, Hampshire 1522
1528B/06 Will of Joan Blake 'of Enham' [=Knights Enham?], Hampshire, widow 1528
1541U/06 Will of Thomas Blake of Andover, Hampshire 1541
1542B/06 Will of Robert Blake of Enham, Andover, Hampshire 1542
1546B/017 Will of Agnes Blake of Quarley, Hampshire, wife of Harry 1546
1546B/018 Will of Harry Blake of Quarley, Hampshire 1546
1547B/008 Will of Walter Blake of East Tytherley, Hampshire 1547
The first five wills in this list have already been put into family grouping but who are the other three people who left wills in the Andover area in the 1540s? Who is Harry (Henry?) Blake and who is Walter Blake? To really put the family together in the 1500s I think we need to know the origins of these two Blake families as well. As soon as the opportunity arises I shall attempt to get hold of those two wills.
If Paul Reed is correct in naming Robert as an uncle of Nicholas (d 1547) then how early was this family at Knights Enham - again a query that might be best answered by the Manor Records. Do they, as some researchers have in their trees, trace back to Henry Blake married to Margaret Billet at Calne? Is their line second cousin to Robert Blake married to Avis Wallop (and first cousin to his father Robert Blake married to Avice Malwyn)? This is the point at which Somerby created a history for the Blake family at Andover. He claimed that William (brother to Robert Blake married to Avice Malwyn) had sons William and Robert. This Robert would be the Robert married to Maude Snell and one is left to presume that the husband of Jone (d 1527) was William. Looking at this from the naming of children - Nicholas named his eldest son William and Robert named his third son William (first son was Robert and second son was John (the elder)). Nicholas' son William named his eldest son John and his second son William. There was always a William Blake in these lines down to the mid 1600s. The Robert Blake line coming down not so often.
However, Horatio Somerby gave children to William supposed brother of Robert that were incorrect - Nicholas was correct but Humphrey was wrong. The wife of William was not Mary as he stated but would have been Jone who left a will in 1547. This is the beginning of the falsification as the history backwards is verified by the College of Arms Chart and the Visitations. The need to eliminate this falsification is shown by the number of family books that are published by descendants of the Blake family particularly in the United States who lift the information on the parentage of Humphrey from this book attaching it as shown in the book to their own line back to Humphrey. Paul Reed's article is greatly appreciated for bringing that to the attention of Blake researchers. However, he has introduced a new query into the study with his comment that Robert (d 1522) was an uncle to Nicholas. Perhaps I will write a query to TAG, as we are subscribers, which might generate a little discussion now that I have clearly put together his thoughts in my mind at least.
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