Rosa de Lima Séguin dite Ladéroute married Antoine Grégoire 30 Aug 1869 at Basilica de Notre Dame, Ottawa and her parents were identified as Antoine Séguin dit Ladéroute and Marie-Anne Groux who were themselves married 21 Jul 1851 also at Basilica de Notre Dame, Ottawa.
M 31 Antoine Ladéroute et Marianne Groux
Le vingt-un juillet mil huit cent cinquante-un
dispense de deux bans accordé et publication un fois fait
d'une paroisse de mariage entre Antoine Ladéroute, de Bytown,
fils majeur de Joseph Ladéroute et de Françoise de Chantale
Brabant, d'une part, et Marianne Groux, de Bytown, fille
majeure de Louis Groux et de Marie-Anne Lafantasie
d'autre part, ne s'étant découvert aucun empechement, nous
prete soussigné, curé de Bytown, avons reçu le mutuel consente
ment des parties contractantet et leur avons donné la bénédic
tion nuptiale, en présence de Jean Baptiste Foubert, de
Edouard Robillard et autres, Antoine Pérault, Rosalie
Barthiaume.
D Dandurand Pretre
The parents of Antoine Ladéroute being thus identified as Joseph Ladéroute and Françoise de Chantal Brabant who were themselves married 10 Jan 1803 at Oka (Deux Montagnes).
M Jos. Séguin et Jeanne Brabant
L'an mil huit cent trois le dix janvier après
la publication de trois bans nous soussigné _____
j'ai donné la bénédiction nuptiale a Joseph
Séguin fils maueur hyacinte Séguin cap ______
et de Susanne Leger de le paroisse _____ et a Jeanne
braban fille mineure de louis braban et défunte
catherine touranjeau aprés avoir reçu leur consente
ment mutuel en présence de jean _____
touranjeau grandpere de l;épouse et
charles braban oncle de l'épouse d'
antoine touranjeau, louis braban _____ de
l'époux, _____Seguin frere de l'époux et
Guillaume Seguin les quels ont ___déclare ne la voir
l'époux _____
signe avec nous
____ Barbart [signed]
Lacoste Pretre
The parents of Joseph Séguin dit Ladéroute being thus identified Hyacinte Séguin et Susanne Léger who were themselves married 26 Feb 1770 Pointe-Claire (Montréal).
M Hiacinte Séguin et Suzanne Léger
La publication de deux bans faite par dex dimanches consecutifs
au prone de la messe paroissials entre hiacinte Séguin veuf de
M Elizabeth Brabant, fils de feu Louis Séguin dit Ladéroute et de
Marianne Raizenne Ses pere et mere de la paroisse de Soulange
d'une part, et susanne Léger fille de charles Léger dit parisien et de
Françoise leduc ses pere et mere de cette paroisse d'autre part
(et semblable publication ayant été faite d'autre paroisse de Sou
lange comme il ____ app___ par le Certificant de Monsiegneur denault curé
missionaire d'écolle costa entre nos mains) sans avoir découvert
aucun empechement ni opposition, je soussigné ayant reçu
leur mutuel consentement de présent mariage Nous ay donné
la bénédiction nuptiale (non obstrant la defaut de la publication
d'une ban dont les deux parties ont obtenu dispense de ____
Montgoltier grand vicaire de ce diocese no_______ mains
en présence de françois seguin frere, hiacinte germain beau
frere de l'époux qui a signé dud. charles leger pere et
Rene Leduc oncle de l'épouse qui n'ont su signer de la
_______
germaint andre germain [signed]
antoine lalonde [signed]
Sartalon Pretre
The parents of Hyacinthe being thus identified as Louis Séguin dit Ladéroute and Marie Anne Raizenne who were themselves married 8 Apr 1736 at Oka. This marriage is found in Tanguay although the date is not recorded. I have not yet found the marriage but this is the date generally used for this marriage. The parents of Louis Séguin were identified as Jean Baptiste Séguin and Geneviève Barbeau who were themselves married 7 Jun 1710 at Boucherville. The parents of Jean Baptiste Séguin are identified as François Séguin and Françoise Jeanne Petit and they were married 31 Oct 1672 at Boucherville. François was the emigrant and so Generation 1. The present family is descended from three children of François Séguin and Jeanne Petit. Jean Petit was a Fille des Roi.
Jean Baptiste Séguin married to Geneviève Barbeau is Generation 2. His brother Pierre Séguin married to Marie Barbe Filion 4 Feb 1704 at Boucherville is Generation 2. Their daughter Françoise Séguin married to Antoine Vermet 17 Apr 1730 at St François (ile de Jesus) is Generation 3. His sister Françoise Séguin married Charles Patenotre 8 Feb 1694 at Montréal and is Generation 2.
Louis Séguin (son of Jean Baptiste) married to Marie Anne Raizenne is Generation 3. This generation is descended from two other sons of Jean Baptiste namely Jean Baptiste Séguin dit Ladéroute who married Catherine Raizenne and is Generation 3. The daughter of this Jean Baptiste and Catherine was Elisabeth Séguin dite Ladéroute and she married Antoine Quesnel 15 Nov 17612 at Lac des Deux Montagnes and is Generation 4. Pierre Séguin dit Ladéroute (son of Jean Baptiste) married Marie Josephte Mallet 3 Feb 1739 at Ste Anne de Bellevue (Montréal) and is Generation 3. The daughter of Pierre and Marie Josephte was Marie Geneviève Séguin dite Ladéroute and she married Jean Noel Tourangeau and is Generation 4.
Hyacinthe Pascal Séguin dit Ladéroute married Marie Elizabeth Brabant 16 Nov 1761 at Ste Anne de Bellevue (Montréal) and is Generation 4. Hyacinthe also married Suzanne Léger and is Generation 4. This generation is also descended from the sister of Hyacinthe Marie Catherine Séguin who married Captain Françoise Villeneuve 18 Aug 1783 at Oka and is Generation 4.
Joseph Athanase Séguin (son of Hyacinthe and Suzanne) married to Jeanne Françoise de Chantale Brabant is Generation 5. Hyacinthe Séguin dit Ladéroute (son of Hyacinthe and Marie Elizabeth) married to Marie Louise Rouleau 7 Feb 1785 at Vaudreuil is Generation 5.
Antoine Séguin dit Ladéroute (son of Joseph and Jeanne Françoise) married to Marie Anne Groux is Generation 6. Hyacinthe Séguin (son of Hyacinthe and Marie Louise Rouleau) married to Marie Monique Villeneuve 16 Apr 1812 at Vaudreuil is Generation 6. Their daughter Antoinette Séguin married to Julien Vital Bertrand 7 Feb 1842 at L'Original is Generation 7.
Rosa de Lima Séguin dit Ladéroute (daughter of Antoine and Marie Anne) married to Antoine Grégoire is Generation 8.
A very complicated descendancy for the Séguin dit Ladéroute family of the present generation and I will continue to transcribe documents on future research days. The present family is also descended from the emigrant Jacques Séguin married to Marie Badel 28 Nov 1689 at Montréal (son of Jean Séguin married to Marguerite Dupuis in France) and Jacques is Generation 1. Their daughter Barbé Charlotte Séguin married to Pierre Sabourin 23 Nov 1716 at Montréal is Generation 2.
Showing posts with label Bertrand. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bertrand. Show all posts
Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Saturday, June 4, 2011
Bertrand Family
Collecting records of the Bertrand family (ancestors of Antoinette Bertrand married to Marius Mourier 1877 at Hull) and transcribing them for the Research day on the Bertrand Family.
M de Antoine Bertran et de Josephte Cholette
Le onze janvier mil huit cent deux nous pretre
soussigné après la publication de trois bans de mariage
entre antoine bertran fils majeur de Louis bertran
et de marie josephte boyer Ses pere et mere cultivateurs
en cette paroisse et consentante au mariage d'une part
et Josephte Cholette fille mineure d'hicanthe cholette
et de marie magdelene roy ses pere et mere cultivateurs
en cette paroisse et consentants aussi au dit mariage et
ne s'étant trouvé aucun empechement au ses dit
mariage Leur avons donné La bénédiction nuptiale
après avoir reçu leur consentement mutuel en
présence de Louis bertran pere de l'époux de pierre
bertran frere, de Laurent et vital bertran oncles
paternels de pierre et alexis boyer oncles mater
nels de françois vital bertran cousin germain
de louis joseph bogne ami, d'hicanthe cholet
pere de l'épouse de joseph chevrier oncle (pere)
paternel de françois roy oncle maternel de
françois cholette frere, de vincent Labie beau frere
d'hacinthe et denys et ignace gauthier cousins
de jean baptiste cam__nault ____ ami desquels
témoins hiacinthe cholette et laurent et vital
bertran louis joseph borgné ont signé et les
autres ont declaré ne le savoir _____après
Lecture faite. un mot interligne bon
vital bertrand [signed]
hicanthe cholette [signed]
Laurent Bertrand [signed]
L J Borgne [signed]
Between the third and fourth lines was a notation "feu Charlotte [B or R]endroyrd. Having so many family members mentioned really helps to place this bride and groom into the correct family lines. The parents of Antoine Bertrand being identified as Louis Bertrand and Marie Josephte Boyer. I will transcribe their marriage the next research day.
M de Antoine Bertran et de Josephte Cholette
Le onze janvier mil huit cent deux nous pretre
soussigné après la publication de trois bans de mariage
entre antoine bertran fils majeur de Louis bertran
et de marie josephte boyer Ses pere et mere cultivateurs
en cette paroisse et consentante au mariage d'une part
et Josephte Cholette fille mineure d'hicanthe cholette
et de marie magdelene roy ses pere et mere cultivateurs
en cette paroisse et consentants aussi au dit mariage et
ne s'étant trouvé aucun empechement au ses dit
mariage Leur avons donné La bénédiction nuptiale
après avoir reçu leur consentement mutuel en
présence de Louis bertran pere de l'époux de pierre
bertran frere, de Laurent et vital bertran oncles
paternels de pierre et alexis boyer oncles mater
nels de françois vital bertran cousin germain
de louis joseph bogne ami, d'hicanthe cholet
pere de l'épouse de joseph chevrier oncle (pere)
paternel de françois roy oncle maternel de
françois cholette frere, de vincent Labie beau frere
d'hacinthe et denys et ignace gauthier cousins
de jean baptiste cam__nault ____ ami desquels
témoins hiacinthe cholette et laurent et vital
bertran louis joseph borgné ont signé et les
autres ont declaré ne le savoir _____après
Lecture faite. un mot interligne bon
vital bertrand [signed]
hicanthe cholette [signed]
Laurent Bertrand [signed]
L J Borgne [signed]
Between the third and fourth lines was a notation "feu Charlotte [B or R]endroyrd. Having so many family members mentioned really helps to place this bride and groom into the correct family lines. The parents of Antoine Bertrand being identified as Louis Bertrand and Marie Josephte Boyer. I will transcribe their marriage the next research day.
Thursday, April 28, 2011
Bertrand Family
The Bertrand family of French Canadian descent is very well published. Initially I was unable to attach Antoinette to her correct Bertrand family line. I still have not found the marriage registration for Antoinette Bertrand and Marius Mourier in 1877 at Hull Québec. Today, I shall again search out the death registration on Ancestry to see if I am able to locate one for Antoinette Bertrand now that 1936 is available.The death registration for Marius Mourier gives the name of his father as Jean Calixte Mourier. Her father is listed as Julien Bertrand and her mother as Antoinette Séguin. Since I am unable to find the marriage registration thus far, finding her parents on the death registration is the next best thing (and she is identified correctly as the widow of Marius Mourier). The informant was her younger daughter Marie Louise Proulx.
This verification is excellent as the published source that I found listed her parents as Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin.
Again I will place the Bertrand family into folders and thus far I only have the last two generations with the pertinent documents. One project for this family will be to pull all the documents available back to the emigrant ancestor. In this case, the emigrant ancestor was Jean Bertrand who married Marie Charlotte Brard 23 Sep 1697 at Notre-Dame, Montréal. Looking at Tanguay, (although I have found a few errors in Tanguay I still consider this to be the best reference tool in terms of looking at an entire family of an emigrant) there are a number of Jean Bertrand marriages and according to the published records bringing us down to Julien Vital Bertrand we would select their son Jacques who married Marie Louise Dumouchel 19 Sep 1729 at Notre Dame, Montréal. Their son Michel Louis married Marie Josephte Boyer dit St-Germain 10 Aug 1778 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Their son Antoine married Marie Josephte Cholet 11 Jan 1802 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Julien Vital was a son of this couple. Tanguay only takes us to Michel Louis being identified as the son of Jacques Bertrand married to Marie Louise Dumouchel. but it is a good starting point. I need to then locate the marriage of Julien Vital Bertrand and Anoinette Séguin which I did by writing to a rootsweb site which promised lookups of the Registers at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orignal, Prescott, Ontario. This is also on the nosorigines website. I also found on WorldConnect
Married: 07 FEB 1842 in Paroisse Saint-Jean-Baptiste, L'Orignal, Comté de Prescott, Ontario, Canada 3
* Note:
Original :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
On the seventh of February eighteen hundred and forty two, after two publications of banns at our parochial mase of L'Orignal, I the undersigned priest have joined & maried Julien Vital Bertrand son of age of Antoine Bertrand and of the late Joseph Cholette and to Antoinette Séguin daughter of Hiacinthe Seguin and of Monique Villeneuve of Hawkesbury in presence of Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Translation :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
Le sept Février mil huit cent quarante et deux, après la publication de deux bans aux messes paroissiales de L'Orignal. Je prêtre soussigné ai joint et marié Julien Vital Bertrand fils majeur d'Antoine Bertrand et de feue Joseph Cholette et a Antoinette Séguin fille de Hiacinthe Seguin et de Monique Villeneuve de Hawkesbury en présence de Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Short of seeing the original register all of these items, the transcription is certainly very convincing.
The parents of Julien Vital Bertrand are named as Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet. It would appear that Julien Vital Bertrand has moved on from Vaudreuil where he was born and from Rigaud where his mother was buried in 1836 to L'Original. . This is a distance of approximately 20 kilometres.
From Wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Orignal,_Ontario):
L'Orignal is a village and former municipality, now part of Champlain Township in eastern Ontario, Canada. It likely took its name from its location on the Ottawa River once known as Pointe à l'Orignal (French for "Moose Point"), where moose crossed the river.
The marriage of Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet was celebrated 11 Jan 1802 at St Michel, Vaudreuil. I did find the scan of their marriage on ancestry and downloaded a copy to my files. However, Tanguay does not have this marriage so I must work my way back another generation to Michel Louis Bertrand and Marie Josephte Boyer dit St Germain who married 10 Aug 1778 at St Michel, Vaudreuil according to the published information on this family. Both Louis Michel and Marie Josephte appear to be widowed at the time of their marriage. One notes from given baptismal records that Louis Michel would have been 41 years of age and Marie Josephte 37 years of age. In order to find the parents of Luis Michel I need to find his first marriage. His first wife was Marie Charlotte Bertrand and they married 10 June 1763 at LaPrairie. Louis Michel parents were recorded as Jacques Bertrand and Marie Louise Dumouchelle. Tanguay records their marriage as 19 Sep 1729 at Montréal which I shall verify on my next study day for the Bertrand family. So Jean is the first generation, Jacques is the second generation, Louis Michel is the third generation, Antoine is the fourth generation, Julien Vital is the fifth generation and Antoinette is the sixth generation. I can now separate the files into folders with the Bertrand folder.
This verification is excellent as the published source that I found listed her parents as Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin.
Again I will place the Bertrand family into folders and thus far I only have the last two generations with the pertinent documents. One project for this family will be to pull all the documents available back to the emigrant ancestor. In this case, the emigrant ancestor was Jean Bertrand who married Marie Charlotte Brard 23 Sep 1697 at Notre-Dame, Montréal. Looking at Tanguay, (although I have found a few errors in Tanguay I still consider this to be the best reference tool in terms of looking at an entire family of an emigrant) there are a number of Jean Bertrand marriages and according to the published records bringing us down to Julien Vital Bertrand we would select their son Jacques who married Marie Louise Dumouchel 19 Sep 1729 at Notre Dame, Montréal. Their son Michel Louis married Marie Josephte Boyer dit St-Germain 10 Aug 1778 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Their son Antoine married Marie Josephte Cholet 11 Jan 1802 at Saint Michel, Vaudreuil. Julien Vital was a son of this couple. Tanguay only takes us to Michel Louis being identified as the son of Jacques Bertrand married to Marie Louise Dumouchel. but it is a good starting point. I need to then locate the marriage of Julien Vital Bertrand and Anoinette Séguin which I did by writing to a rootsweb site which promised lookups of the Registers at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orignal, Prescott, Ontario. This is also on the nosorigines website. I also found on WorldConnect
Married: 07 FEB 1842 in Paroisse Saint-Jean-Baptiste, L'Orignal, Comté de Prescott, Ontario, Canada 3
* Note:
Original :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
On the seventh of February eighteen hundred and forty two, after two publications of banns at our parochial mase of L'Orignal, I the undersigned priest have joined & maried Julien Vital Bertrand son of age of Antoine Bertrand and of the late Joseph Cholette and to Antoinette Séguin daughter of Hiacinthe Seguin and of Monique Villeneuve of Hawkesbury in presence of Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Translation :
M.5 Julien Vital Bertrand & Antoinette Seguin
Le sept Février mil huit cent quarante et deux, après la publication de deux bans aux messes paroissiales de L'Orignal. Je prêtre soussigné ai joint et marié Julien Vital Bertrand fils majeur d'Antoine Bertrand et de feue Joseph Cholette et a Antoinette Séguin fille de Hiacinthe Seguin et de Monique Villeneuve de Hawkesbury en présence de Pierre Chabot & Marc Rochon
Signature :
P. Lefaivre Ptre
Short of seeing the original register all of these items, the transcription is certainly very convincing.
The parents of Julien Vital Bertrand are named as Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet. It would appear that Julien Vital Bertrand has moved on from Vaudreuil where he was born and from Rigaud where his mother was buried in 1836 to L'Original. . This is a distance of approximately 20 kilometres.
From Wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Orignal,_Ontario):
L'Orignal is a village and former municipality, now part of Champlain Township in eastern Ontario, Canada. It likely took its name from its location on the Ottawa River once known as Pointe à l'Orignal (French for "Moose Point"), where moose crossed the river.
The marriage of Antoine Bertrand and Marie Josephte Cholet was celebrated 11 Jan 1802 at St Michel, Vaudreuil. I did find the scan of their marriage on ancestry and downloaded a copy to my files. However, Tanguay does not have this marriage so I must work my way back another generation to Michel Louis Bertrand and Marie Josephte Boyer dit St Germain who married 10 Aug 1778 at St Michel, Vaudreuil according to the published information on this family. Both Louis Michel and Marie Josephte appear to be widowed at the time of their marriage. One notes from given baptismal records that Louis Michel would have been 41 years of age and Marie Josephte 37 years of age. In order to find the parents of Luis Michel I need to find his first marriage. His first wife was Marie Charlotte Bertrand and they married 10 June 1763 at LaPrairie. Louis Michel parents were recorded as Jacques Bertrand and Marie Louise Dumouchelle. Tanguay records their marriage as 19 Sep 1729 at Montréal which I shall verify on my next study day for the Bertrand family. So Jean is the first generation, Jacques is the second generation, Louis Michel is the third generation, Antoine is the fourth generation, Julien Vital is the fifth generation and Antoinette is the sixth generation. I can now separate the files into folders with the Bertrand folder.
Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Mourier Family of Ottawa ON
The Mourier Family of Ottawa ON was a mystery until I chanced upon a reference to Maurice-Calixte Mourier in Les Français au Québec 1765-1865: un mouvement migratoire méconnu, Marcel Fournier was the author. Item #1357 on page 318 lists the following:
Mourier, Maurice-Calixte, oblat de Marie-Immaculee, ne le 16 aout 1835 a Romans sur Isere (Drome), de l'union de Jean-Calixte Mourier et de Melanie Monestier. Ordonne le 17 decembre 1859 a Ajaccio, il arive au Canada le 28 mars 1863. Il oeuvre a Ottawa, a la baie d'Hudson, a Hull, a Betsiamites, au lac Temiscamingue et a Pointe-Bleue. Il décède à Lachine le 5 aout 1912.
Fournier, Marcel, 1946-. Les Français au Québec, 1765-1865 : un mouvement migratoire méconnu / Marcel Fournier ; préface de Claude Galarneau -- Sillery, Québec : Éditions du Septentrion, 1995. -- 386 p. : ill., cartes, fac-sim., portr. ; 23 cm. -- ISBN 2894480253 -- AMICUS No. 13888218
I had finally solved the puzzle of why Marius-Joseph Mourier (born 16 Aug 1845 at Romans sur Isere (Drome)) the son of Jean-Calixte Mourier and Marie-Melanie Monestier had emigrated to Canada in 1873 (from the 1901 census). Possibly chain migration as his brother had preceded him in Canada arriving in 1863. His brother was a priest in Ottawa.
Marius Mourier married Antoinette Bertrand in 1877 in Hull Quebec. I have not yet located the marriage registration for this couple. Antoinette was the daughter of Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin according to published reports. The 1881 Census (East Ottawa Ward) we find Marius Mourier, aged 38 and Antoinette Mourier aged 23 with Marius born in France and Antoinette born in Quebec. The 1891 Census Morris Murier aged 45, born in France, parents both born in France and their children Adele, Gabrielle, Leon, and twins Honore and Anna with all born in Ontario except Leon who was born in France (but registered in Ontario). The 1901 Census all ten years older, place of birth for Leon left blank and the twins are missing, new daughter Marie Louise. The 1911 Census all ten years older and only Marie Louise is living with them. All other details the same. There is a new person (possibly a sister in law - difficult to read) from France. She is 65 years old.
I sorted into generations and this time Marius is generation one, coming down to Gabrielle is generation two and then following to the third generation which married into the Bédard family. Online I did find parents for Jean-Calixte Mourier (father of Marius) named Pierre Joseph Mourier and Marie Adélaide Virginie. I shall follow my usual process looking at NosOrigines, World Connect and Ancestry for further information.
Nosorigines ou GenealogieQuebec is my source for the information and they list Jean-Calixte as being born 29 March 1800 at Romans, département de la Drome, France and that he died 25 Apr 1886 at the age of 86 in Romans, France. Only three children are listed and two of them came to Canada. The third and eldest was their daughter who did not marry. No further information is available at this website. I did not find any information on World Connect. Ancestry family trees are all personal and no further information was found. Interesting that Jean Calixte died in 1886 as that is the year the son Leon was said to have been born in France.
There is more information online now for French records and I shall pursue that the next time that I am researching Mourier.
Mourier, Maurice-Calixte, oblat de Marie-Immaculee, ne le 16 aout 1835 a Romans sur Isere (Drome), de l'union de Jean-Calixte Mourier et de Melanie Monestier. Ordonne le 17 decembre 1859 a Ajaccio, il arive au Canada le 28 mars 1863. Il oeuvre a Ottawa, a la baie d'Hudson, a Hull, a Betsiamites, au lac Temiscamingue et a Pointe-Bleue. Il décède à Lachine le 5 aout 1912.
Fournier, Marcel, 1946-. Les Français au Québec, 1765-1865 : un mouvement migratoire méconnu / Marcel Fournier ; préface de Claude Galarneau -- Sillery, Québec : Éditions du Septentrion, 1995. -- 386 p. : ill., cartes, fac-sim., portr. ; 23 cm. -- ISBN 2894480253 -- AMICUS No. 13888218
I had finally solved the puzzle of why Marius-Joseph Mourier (born 16 Aug 1845 at Romans sur Isere (Drome)) the son of Jean-Calixte Mourier and Marie-Melanie Monestier had emigrated to Canada in 1873 (from the 1901 census). Possibly chain migration as his brother had preceded him in Canada arriving in 1863. His brother was a priest in Ottawa.
Marius Mourier married Antoinette Bertrand in 1877 in Hull Quebec. I have not yet located the marriage registration for this couple. Antoinette was the daughter of Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin according to published reports. The 1881 Census (East Ottawa Ward) we find Marius Mourier, aged 38 and Antoinette Mourier aged 23 with Marius born in France and Antoinette born in Quebec. The 1891 Census Morris Murier aged 45, born in France, parents both born in France and their children Adele, Gabrielle, Leon, and twins Honore and Anna with all born in Ontario except Leon who was born in France (but registered in Ontario). The 1901 Census all ten years older, place of birth for Leon left blank and the twins are missing, new daughter Marie Louise. The 1911 Census all ten years older and only Marie Louise is living with them. All other details the same. There is a new person (possibly a sister in law - difficult to read) from France. She is 65 years old.
I sorted into generations and this time Marius is generation one, coming down to Gabrielle is generation two and then following to the third generation which married into the Bédard family. Online I did find parents for Jean-Calixte Mourier (father of Marius) named Pierre Joseph Mourier and Marie Adélaide Virginie. I shall follow my usual process looking at NosOrigines, World Connect and Ancestry for further information.
Nosorigines ou GenealogieQuebec is my source for the information and they list Jean-Calixte as being born 29 March 1800 at Romans, département de la Drome, France and that he died 25 Apr 1886 at the age of 86 in Romans, France. Only three children are listed and two of them came to Canada. The third and eldest was their daughter who did not marry. No further information is available at this website. I did not find any information on World Connect. Ancestry family trees are all personal and no further information was found. Interesting that Jean Calixte died in 1886 as that is the year the son Leon was said to have been born in France.
There is more information online now for French records and I shall pursue that the next time that I am researching Mourier.
Saturday, April 23, 2011
Blake Family One Name Study and Bédard
With my membership in the Guild of One Name Studies comes the perk of Marriage Challenges. These are very handy especially with the price of a marriage registration certificate being now nine pounds sterling. The marriages help to establish the family lines in the 1800s and are an absolute must in any family study. I am slowly working away on the 30,000 Blake marriages in England matching up couples where possible but individual marriage challenges do this for me automatically as the data is pulled from the original parish registers and civil registers. I searched out my marriages for two today and I had already prepared my excel file for both of them so it was an easy transfer. I hadn't matched up all the marriages using the census so I proceeded to do that and it is a lengthy task to do 35 marriages working through FreeBMD and the census.
I am also working on the The Blake Newsletter and it was written by Barrie Blake this time. I am just adding or revising a couple of items - we do each others and that works very well as it is really difficult to proofread your own work.
It is certainly nice to be settling back into regular research. I need to now plan my research time for the French Canadian lines of our son in law. I have allotted one hour per day (it can easily run to two hours because of the placement) to work on each of his 32 3x great grandparents. This may seem like a lot but indeed I could just as easily of gone back to the 6x great grandparents and worked on all of them as well. It is a consideration on my part as I have assigned 28 to their own individual day and then I have placed two on the weekends where it works otherwise I have three in one day on a weekday because the calendar doesn't have an exact number of days per month. My own lines I have rotating on an eight week basis - five to a week but I do not have nearly as many of my 4x great grandparents covered in my research!
I will be working on Bédard, Whélan, Matte, Gagnon, Mourier, Bertrand, Nepveu, Audet dit Lapointe, Grégoire, Séguin dit Ladéroute, Tremblay, Labelle, Lauzon, Brunet, Lanoie, Rhéaume, Dumoulin, Renaud, Larente dit Vinet, Cadieux, Clément, Charlebois, Pomainville, Pilon, Prévost, Desjardins, Deschatelets, Quesnel, St-Jean, Lavigne, Chénier and Racine. I am considering doing a second month which would include Patry, Fournier dit Larose, Bénoit dit Vaillacourt, Doutre, Monestier, Piché, Richer, Hémard dit Poitvin, Groux, Bernard dit Blondin, Lacroix, Thibaut, Constantineau, Boileau, Payette dit St-Amour, Sarrazin, Demers, Blais, Racicot, Lamarque dit Matthieu, Chantal, Desloges dit Poirier, Monette dit Boiseux, Creujeur (Kruger), St-Denis, Legault, D'Amour, Campeau, and Douras (Douvas). This would then take me back to the 4x great grandparents and mostly in the early 1800s/late 1700s. I have already taken his lines back to early New France and to the parents in France but I have not yet collected all the registrations. I would also like to now seek out the notary records and other records that might be at Library and Archives Canada which would give a fuller picture of these families.
I shall follow approximately the same process each day. First I will check to make sure I have all the registrations from Ancestry or the LDS website as an image in the family folder. Then within each folder I shall arrange them by generation from the emigrant. If I eventually find the registrations for these families in France then I shall simply alter the arabic to a roman numeral with the roman numerals marking the generations back from the emigrant and the parents being the I generation. I shall then check Tanguay to see if what I have also blends in with what he has (I started to use Tanguay about a year after I started). In the cases where I am still in the late 1700s, Tanguay is great to help you look at the lines going back to the emigrant. I shall also have a look at Ancestry family trees and World Connect. I will also search the Library and Archives Canada website to note items that I wish to check on my next visit.
Process:
I am also working on the The Blake Newsletter and it was written by Barrie Blake this time. I am just adding or revising a couple of items - we do each others and that works very well as it is really difficult to proofread your own work.
It is certainly nice to be settling back into regular research. I need to now plan my research time for the French Canadian lines of our son in law. I have allotted one hour per day (it can easily run to two hours because of the placement) to work on each of his 32 3x great grandparents. This may seem like a lot but indeed I could just as easily of gone back to the 6x great grandparents and worked on all of them as well. It is a consideration on my part as I have assigned 28 to their own individual day and then I have placed two on the weekends where it works otherwise I have three in one day on a weekday because the calendar doesn't have an exact number of days per month. My own lines I have rotating on an eight week basis - five to a week but I do not have nearly as many of my 4x great grandparents covered in my research!
I will be working on Bédard, Whélan, Matte, Gagnon, Mourier, Bertrand, Nepveu, Audet dit Lapointe, Grégoire, Séguin dit Ladéroute, Tremblay, Labelle, Lauzon, Brunet, Lanoie, Rhéaume, Dumoulin, Renaud, Larente dit Vinet, Cadieux, Clément, Charlebois, Pomainville, Pilon, Prévost, Desjardins, Deschatelets, Quesnel, St-Jean, Lavigne, Chénier and Racine. I am considering doing a second month which would include Patry, Fournier dit Larose, Bénoit dit Vaillacourt, Doutre, Monestier, Piché, Richer, Hémard dit Poitvin, Groux, Bernard dit Blondin, Lacroix, Thibaut, Constantineau, Boileau, Payette dit St-Amour, Sarrazin, Demers, Blais, Racicot, Lamarque dit Matthieu, Chantal, Desloges dit Poirier, Monette dit Boiseux, Creujeur (Kruger), St-Denis, Legault, D'Amour, Campeau, and Douras (Douvas). This would then take me back to the 4x great grandparents and mostly in the early 1800s/late 1700s. I have already taken his lines back to early New France and to the parents in France but I have not yet collected all the registrations. I would also like to now seek out the notary records and other records that might be at Library and Archives Canada which would give a fuller picture of these families.
I shall follow approximately the same process each day. First I will check to make sure I have all the registrations from Ancestry or the LDS website as an image in the family folder. Then within each folder I shall arrange them by generation from the emigrant. If I eventually find the registrations for these families in France then I shall simply alter the arabic to a roman numeral with the roman numerals marking the generations back from the emigrant and the parents being the I generation. I shall then check Tanguay to see if what I have also blends in with what he has (I started to use Tanguay about a year after I started). In the cases where I am still in the late 1700s, Tanguay is great to help you look at the lines going back to the emigrant. I shall also have a look at Ancestry family trees and World Connect. I will also search the Library and Archives Canada website to note items that I wish to check on my next visit.
Process:
- Label generations within the family folder
- Pull missing registrations from Ancestry and LDS website
- Check Tanguay
- Check Ancestry family trees
- Check World Connect family trees
- Search LAC for incidences of family name
Monday, August 30, 2010
Library and Archives Canada
We spent Friday and part of Saturday at Library and Archives Canada. Ed wanted to verify some of the newspaper obituaries for the article on his Great Grandfather Wilhelm Schultz who had come from Germany in about 1866 to Oxford/Brant Counties area.
This man had been quite a mystery through the years. We have a beautiful picture of Wilhelm, his wife Rachel Niemann and their three children plus the original baptismal certificate for his grandmother Ida Caroline Wilhelmina Schultz. We have three census reporting this family in 1871, 1881 and 1891. We finally found the marriage registration but we were unsure as it read John Fred William Muller and Freidericka Naumann and the marriage date 25 Dec 1866. We knew they were married around that time as their first son Charles was born 22 October 1867.
I decided to look up the Bertrand family because of conflicting marriages that I had found online. I now have the information from the archives which was prepared by a noted genealogist of the day. I shall try to figure out which one is correct.
An email from my Blake correspondent got me thinking about the Blake Wiltshire Lineage Chart again. I have two William Blakes living at Andover in the 1500s. The one is the son of Nicholas Blake (and my 11x great grandfather) and the second has been to date unknown. The chart shows a line down through William Blake married to Avice Ripley and living at Andover. This William is said to be a son of Roger Blake and Mary Baynard. The visitation does not list a William. However, the interesting part is that the daughter Margaret of William Blake and the son John of William Blake (my 11x great grandfather) married Margaret the daughter of William Blake. The suspicion is that the line is simply in the wrong place and it should show Margaret as the daughter of William Blake (the caption in the circle states that Margaret is the daughter of William Blake aforesaid and he is the only candidate for that!) in the chart marrying John Blake the son of William Blake who is not on the chart. Hopefully I will be able to clarify that when we are in London at Kew. It would be a somewhat monumental step forward in linking the Blake family at Andover with the Blake family at Calne. There is still the mystery of exactly who is the Blake who was married to the widow Jone Blake who left a will dated 23 Mar 1527 at Knights Enham (near Andover). But solving the above mystery would at least link the families on that line and seeing them both living at Eastontown in that time frame one is left to work out the relationship between these two family lines that marry at Andover.
This man had been quite a mystery through the years. We have a beautiful picture of Wilhelm, his wife Rachel Niemann and their three children plus the original baptismal certificate for his grandmother Ida Caroline Wilhelmina Schultz. We have three census reporting this family in 1871, 1881 and 1891. We finally found the marriage registration but we were unsure as it read John Fred William Muller and Freidericka Naumann and the marriage date 25 Dec 1866. We knew they were married around that time as their first son Charles was born 22 October 1867.
I decided to look up the Bertrand family because of conflicting marriages that I had found online. I now have the information from the archives which was prepared by a noted genealogist of the day. I shall try to figure out which one is correct.
An email from my Blake correspondent got me thinking about the Blake Wiltshire Lineage Chart again. I have two William Blakes living at Andover in the 1500s. The one is the son of Nicholas Blake (and my 11x great grandfather) and the second has been to date unknown. The chart shows a line down through William Blake married to Avice Ripley and living at Andover. This William is said to be a son of Roger Blake and Mary Baynard. The visitation does not list a William. However, the interesting part is that the daughter Margaret of William Blake and the son John of William Blake (my 11x great grandfather) married Margaret the daughter of William Blake. The suspicion is that the line is simply in the wrong place and it should show Margaret as the daughter of William Blake (the caption in the circle states that Margaret is the daughter of William Blake aforesaid and he is the only candidate for that!) in the chart marrying John Blake the son of William Blake who is not on the chart. Hopefully I will be able to clarify that when we are in London at Kew. It would be a somewhat monumental step forward in linking the Blake family at Andover with the Blake family at Calne. There is still the mystery of exactly who is the Blake who was married to the widow Jone Blake who left a will dated 23 Mar 1527 at Knights Enham (near Andover). But solving the above mystery would at least link the families on that line and seeing them both living at Eastontown in that time frame one is left to work out the relationship between these two family lines that marry at Andover.
Wednesday, January 27, 2010
Bertrand and Séguin families
I decided to move on from the Whalen/Welland family as I was not finding any information that was helpful for this line.
I have a marriage for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orginal, Prescott Co UC 7 Feb 1842. I asked for an online verification and did receive one. It would still be nice to view the register I must admit and I hope to do that when next we are in Toronto.
Parents of Julien Vital Bertrand listed were: Antoine Bertrand and Josette (Marie Josephte ?) Cholet.
Parents of Antoinette Séguin listed were: Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve.
I did find a baptism for Julien Vital Bertrand 28 Apr 1814 at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud, LC. The baptism for Antoinette Séguin is said to be 15 Jun 1815 also at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud but the baptism I find for a daughter of this couple is named Monique Noelette (in this time period who appears to have survived) - 25 Dec 1815 (born 25 Dec 1815). The date online of 15 Jun is from a family website. There was a daughter baptized 22 November 1814 (born 21 November 1814) which would make the June birthdate a seven months baby at most and likely less than that. I suspect the date is in error. I wonder though whether the name Antoinette by which she is known is perhaps a Confirmation name since her recorded name is Monique Noelette.
Looking at the census that I can find for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin I find her birth dates various (1852 (birthdate 1815), 1861 (birthdate 1813) and 1871 (birthdate 1814). She is always listed as 1 to 2 years older than Julien (his birth dates range from 1817 to 1815 although his baptism is clearly found to be 28 April 1814). Hyacinthe and Monique had a daughter in 1813 (they married in 1812) but I find a burial for Rosalie at four days of age. They also had a daughter mentioned earlier Madeleine Monique in November 1814 who was buried 5 Sep 1815. I find three daughters born after Monique Noelette in 1817, 1818 and 1820 and then Hyacinthe is born in 1821.
Searching for the burials of Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin did not locate a burial for either. The census shows them to be at Petite Nation, Ottawa West, Québec in 1852, André Avellin in 1861 and Hull on the 1871 census. I do not find them on the 1881 census. Their daughter Antoinette marries in 1877 at Hull but they do not appear on the 1881 census with this young couple.
However, I feel that I have established that Antoinette Séguin is the daughter (Monique Noelette) of Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve and that the father of Hyacinthe is also Hyacinthe as he is listed as fils on the baptisms of their children. That is also helpful. I will continue working back on this family line today.
I have a marriage for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orginal, Prescott Co UC 7 Feb 1842. I asked for an online verification and did receive one. It would still be nice to view the register I must admit and I hope to do that when next we are in Toronto.
Parents of Julien Vital Bertrand listed were: Antoine Bertrand and Josette (Marie Josephte ?) Cholet.
Parents of Antoinette Séguin listed were: Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve.
I did find a baptism for Julien Vital Bertrand 28 Apr 1814 at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud, LC. The baptism for Antoinette Séguin is said to be 15 Jun 1815 also at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud but the baptism I find for a daughter of this couple is named Monique Noelette (in this time period who appears to have survived) - 25 Dec 1815 (born 25 Dec 1815). The date online of 15 Jun is from a family website. There was a daughter baptized 22 November 1814 (born 21 November 1814) which would make the June birthdate a seven months baby at most and likely less than that. I suspect the date is in error. I wonder though whether the name Antoinette by which she is known is perhaps a Confirmation name since her recorded name is Monique Noelette.
Looking at the census that I can find for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin I find her birth dates various (1852 (birthdate 1815), 1861 (birthdate 1813) and 1871 (birthdate 1814). She is always listed as 1 to 2 years older than Julien (his birth dates range from 1817 to 1815 although his baptism is clearly found to be 28 April 1814). Hyacinthe and Monique had a daughter in 1813 (they married in 1812) but I find a burial for Rosalie at four days of age. They also had a daughter mentioned earlier Madeleine Monique in November 1814 who was buried 5 Sep 1815. I find three daughters born after Monique Noelette in 1817, 1818 and 1820 and then Hyacinthe is born in 1821.
Searching for the burials of Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin did not locate a burial for either. The census shows them to be at Petite Nation, Ottawa West, Québec in 1852, André Avellin in 1861 and Hull on the 1871 census. I do not find them on the 1881 census. Their daughter Antoinette marries in 1877 at Hull but they do not appear on the 1881 census with this young couple.
However, I feel that I have established that Antoinette Séguin is the daughter (Monique Noelette) of Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve and that the father of Hyacinthe is also Hyacinthe as he is listed as fils on the baptisms of their children. That is also helpful. I will continue working back on this family line today.
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