Continuing to extract information on the Pencombe family and its derivatives

 There are 225 matches with a slightly different criteria and I think I will stay with this criteria as it collects more information. So using a + or - 40 years over a time period around 1520 gives me 1480 to 1560. A perfect expanse for what I am looking at in the records. You can adjust the display by clicking on year at the top and that will have the years beginning with the oldest and numerically following that. 

So continuing today and I have almost completed the first three pages of the sort. Some repetition from yesterday and the day before but I believe I am capturing more of the records this way. I am into the John Pyncombe family at South Molton and it is a difficult one even in the 1500s but I believe I have it sorted now. John Pincombe Senior son of John Pencombe (son of John Pencombe who arrived in 1486) outlives his son John Pincombe Junior and it is John Pincombe Junior that marries Amy Doddridge. I am thinking that it was a second marriage for John Pincombe Senior at Bishops Nympton in 1598 (Margarett Stephan). That one has always been a slight source of confusion. 

The drive itself from South Molton to Bishops Nympton is a lovely scenic route which sits somewhat above the surrounding land and you sort of swoop into Bishops Nympton suddenly as you round a curve. The Church at Bishops Nympton is simply beautiful and it is not that far from South Molton having driven from South Molton to Bishops Nympton in 2008 with  my cousin. It was my cousin who spotted the gravestone of my 3x great grandfather Robert Pincombe and his wife Elizabeth (Rowcliffe) Pincombe firmly attached to the outside wall of the Church but behind a small Yew tree so was slightly hidden. On the road (away from the main  highway and to the south of it) into Bishops Nympton right at the outskirts is the farm/home known as Park where Robert and Elizabeth raised their eight children. That is what has really saved this family because in this generation three of the four boys including Robert had huge families and the one sister as well. The second sister died quite young in childbirth.  John Pincombe and Mary (Charly) Pincombe had 36 grandchildren with quite a number of sons compared to daughters. And so the Pincombe name was propagated quickly throughout the British Isles in this generation with William's line going to Australia and Robert's line going to America and Canada. However quite a few remained in England to keep up the name there and I did find a lot of Pincombe matches at Living DNA, as well as FT DNA, Ancestry, My Heritage and 23 and Me. Now all of these matches carry the Pincombe spelling and it was just during a period between the late 1700s and into the 1800s that one saw some using the spelling of Pinkham particularly if they were from the Barnstaple area. It has helped with noticing who kept the spelling as they, I believe, are likely descendant of the John Pyncombe family at South Molton perhaps by his son Christopher. Part of doing all this extraction is to see if I can build the line and see where I can go with it. It is handy having the Charts from the earlier researchers as I tend to be able to separate the Pinkham from the Pincombe although in essence because they chose a surname that is a village in Herefordshire there could be a number of descendant lines not yet noted in the DNA groups. But for the moment it appears to be only two and I do suspect that the Pinkham family of the United States is descendant of the line at Bondleigh where Roger de Pencombe received land grants in the early 1300s (they appear to disappear but that can happen in the records especially as most of them were destroyed in 1942 when Exeter Record Office was demolished). Not seeing them on the 1332 Devon Lay Subsidy means I couldn't find them in the index (just one at Molland, John de Pencomb'). But finding John on the wrong page from what was in the index I probably need to read the Subsidy for that area and I will eventually as part of the study created by Galen and Richard. Fascinating really all of this sleuthing but they do share this history that was created by the earlier researchers in this study - Galen Pinkham in the United States and Dr. Richard Pinkham in England (I have not located him on any of the charts but I am about to do a more thorough perusal through them as I proceed through this data). 

I record all of this in case one day my Sleep Apnea or whatever  takes me out sort of and my daughters would give my research away for sure. They helped their Dad with his graveyards tours as children and did not acquire an interest in genealogy. Since I didn't have one either I can understand completely. So I am trying to write up as much as I know so that in the future someone might run with it to learn more about our shared ancestry which was brought together by the two original researchers in the Pincombe/Pinkham family at the Guild of one-name Studies. But my research materials (parish register fiche in particular will go the Anglican Church Archives) as I agreed when I purchased them that they would be placed in a suitable repository. 

 I digress and I continue on the John Pyncombe family at South Molton which included two known sons John and Christopher. The puzzle is not Christopher who died before or during 1585 when he was at least 61 as he would have been an infant possibly on the Devon Lay Subsidy where he appears but likely older just unknown how much older. It is John Pyncombe Senior that is the question as he does not appear on the Subsidy so born after 1524-7. There is one likely daughter Margret who married in 1539 to Philip Kingdon at North Molton (the item to remember is that North Molton was the wealthier of the two Moltons in this time frame) and her age could be as young as 16 perhaps. Another possible daughter Marye Pencombe who was buried 4 Feb 1563 at North Molton. Establishing this third generation is interesting for sure and lots of data flowing by and trying to figure it all out. But noting that most data is centralized in this North Molton/South Molton area so the family Pynkeham at Tawstock/Bideford is small probably since there are few records. We also know that it exists before Richard Pencombe (son of Thomas, grandson of John (in North Molton in 1486) arrives in Bideford. So lots gained in all of this working through the data. 

I went out raked and it may be that it is too much for me to do the yard work. We will see. I did just one bag of leaves. There are likely two more. I will investigate having a company come in the spring and do the cleanup and cut the grass. I did sort of do that thing last year but decided to work away at it but I do think it is too much for me. My health although good is fragile somewhat due to my crashing out at 29 or I am still recovering from my puncture wound which is all healed; we will see. 

I am still sorting the John Pyncombe members at South Molton. There are according to the Visitation of 1620 five in a row. The first one died by 1571. I think I have now determined that the second one died by 1605 and the third one died by 1604 although his initial will was dated 1593 (he was married to Amy Dodridge). The fourth one I am still working on and there is a fifth one who died young and the line then daughtered out in that generation. A trust was established and which provides financial assistance and welfare grants to needy, serving clergy of the Church of England (I was not quite right about the purpose earlier). But Christopher and his descendants still remain and it is that information that I am pursuing as I believe that one of the members of our yDNA match is a descendant of this family which would then prove that these two lines are descendant of John Pencombe (in North Molton in 1486) coming down from the two sons John and Thomas and that is hugely amazing to be honest. I am very pleased with the process thus far. The family lore points to the South Molton family being also in the Barnstaple area.

I was in communication with a Pincombe descendant in Chittlehampton (he was fairly old in 2007 and the lines dropped maybe ten or  more years ago) who had not been able to trace his Pincombe line because there were too many so the hope is that as I move forward I will be luckier. We will see how that transpires as that is the purpose of this digging forward into 50,000 records.  I have sorted out the beginning so now I just have to push forward with my checking all these matches. As I mentioned, I will pull the Pinkham as well as I move along and enter them into my Legacy file. Eventually I will burn that to a DVD and make it available to anyone in the family that wants it. It will only carry information up to the beginning of the 1900s (my uncle and mother will be on it). This is a memory of John Routledge Pincombe who died much too young at 53 years of age. His life was sad but he had a joy in his children and he and my grandmother had a good marriage. He loved to argue politics which she did not like but other than that their life together was full of joy she told me. 

 There does appear to be a problem with the Visitation and I note that it was prepared by William Pincombe (descendant of  Thomas) and in 1620 he was 54 years of age although he did live at South Molton at this time it was only because he was Coroner as his usual abode was at East Buckland. I think he has an extra John Pyncombe in the list and does not know what has happened to Christopher's son John. They are second cousins and what I did learn was that this was not as close a relationship as first cousins especially with William normally living at East Buckland and this John Pyncombe family was at Poughill, Devon and the distance is 44 miles from South Molton which is substantial and how often would they see each other. However I will continue observing the results. I also have a copy of the 1620 Visitation with additions which removes that extra John (forgot I had that).  The footnote for this updated Visitation reads:

The portion of this pedigree printed in italic is a copy of the Original Visitation of Devon, Harl M8, 1163, fo. 95b  and not signed. Additionally six items were used to make these changes:

 1. The Visitation of Devon 1564 contained in Harl. MS. 1080, fo. 64 b, commences with this.

2. The Original Visitation begins here. 

3. Washfield Parish Register.

4. Southmolton Parish Register.

5. Crediton Parish Register.

6. Barnstaple Parish Register 

 I did look at this on my blog years ago but had forgotten that I saw it then. So the one problem solved but still I need to pursue the records to see if I can bring Christopher's family down in the records. I did find it interesting that John Pyncombe married Amy Dodridge at Barnstaple although I need to see that record but it is mentioned in this footnote. 

Quitting time and I must be quick  to get my steps for this hour. 

Solitaire puzzles to do; forgot them today.  

 

 

 

 

Records at Tawstock

A record at Tawstock for Edith Pincombe, widow, whose will is probated in 1572. The only known Pinkham there is Philip Pencombe/Pynkeham whose will was probated in 1564 at Tawstock. The FMP records are interesting. The earlier record on the Devon Lay Subsidy 1524-7 at Tawstock has a Philip Pengham. The 1543-1545 Devon Lay Subsidy had the spelling Philip Pynkeham. There is a Phillippe Pyncombe married to Wilmote Beare 10 Feb 1853 at Bideford. This is on Chart 10 with the father of this Philip  possibly  being Philip Pynkeham. The distance from Tawstock to Bideford is around 8 miles (we actually were in both of these places in 2008). It seemed very short but we were in a car. It is troubling though looking at the published book for the Pinkham family of the United States not to find a Philip in later generations. I found just one in the index in the 1880s. The repeating of Richard through three generations beginning with the father of the emigrant also interesting certainly but Richard son of William and Emotte Pincombe died at Bishops Nympton in 1648 and Richard son of Thomas and Joane Pencombe died at Bideford 7 Jun 1592 (he was known to have lived in Bideford). The children of that Richard at Bideford appear to be Helen and Thomas. William (Richard's brother) mentions the son Thomas (Richard's son) in his will. Richard became a much commoner forename in the 1800s and 1900s in the family in England and Canada. But the sister of the emigrants did marry Richard Elworthy perhaps accounting for the name being used later. But I will continue my work through all the data tomorrow. Time to lift weights and take a break!

I did have a look at Charles Nelson Sinnett's book "Richard Pinkham of old Dover, New Hampshire and his descendants East and West." I have had the electronic copy for quite a few years but wanted to refresh my mind on what he had said about the origins of the family. The last records in it are mid 1800s (this book I am writing will only go to the very early 1900s but there has never been a book of the Pencombe/Pincombe family of North Molton so definitely needs to be written). I remembered that the initial thought was this family came from the Isle of Wight but the author Sinnett did have some thoughts on that.  What I find confusing on some of the earlier researcher's charts is the forenames which do not resemble the generations that preceded which was common in English families of all levels through all of my searching in my lines. However, I will try not to be distracted. Again I would never attempt to revise and update Sinnett's book on the Pinkham family of the United States. But I will collect the material as eventually it will become part of the study and stored electronically at the Library of the Guild of one-name Studies in London, England. I will extract the entire file of Legacy and place it there. 

As I continue pulling records from Find My Past, I continue in my estimation that John Pencombe of Northmolton had only three sons (I am not sure if they all were full siblings as Thomas seems younger than John and William). William born closer to 1500 than Thomas but younger than John because he has Goods 2 listed on the 1524-7 Lay Subsidy whereas John Pyncombe at South Molton is G10 and his son Christopher G5 (the other son John is not listed on this 1524-7 Subsidy). But Thomas is earning Wages 1. John is definitely the elder brother of both Thomas and William. His son John remains at South Molton and this line eventually daughters out and their wealth created the Pyncombe Trust in 1731 (John generally used the surname Pyncombe as did his line).  The second generation is coming together but the ages are still somewhat weak but will continue to work on them. I feel that I am in a good spot as I have now put forth an argument that works for me not to include extraneous lines from the charts that do not come back to John Pencombe known to be at North Molton in 1486. But I continue collecting the information as I pull it. I have done some work on that but generally it is items that I have collected rather than all the BMBs in Find My Past - 50,000 records is somewhat daunting but I have given myself two years and so I will move ahead on that. 

Summing up my work ideas: Returning to Blake in a couple of weeks is a thought but my next step really is the Lay Subsidies and I need to actually go to the Family History Library to acquire that information. Publishing it with just the descendants of John Pincombe and Elizabeth (Rew) Pincombe (the emigrants in 1850 to Canada) seems a bit weak plus I do have more material going back but didn't want to do just a straight line so collecting as much as I can seems more reasonable but also I am helped in this somewhat with the bottleneck that occurs in the 1600s with the number of descendants somewhat low but I am sure I am missing some of them. And so I continue with extracting data from Find My Past. 

 

Grocery shopping and some research

Yesterday, I decided would be a grocery shopping day and the total runs around $100 to $110 each week which is up from $70 per week from a year or so ago. I only buy basic ingredients but these two have increased in price. I make all of my meals from scratch and they are simple. I am not a foodie and so it suits me well. I spent years and years preparing special meals so I am just enjoying the easy meal life that I have created. I do not mind spending half an hour to an hour preparing and cooking my meals; it is a good break away from the computer. I do not anticipate that costs will go down in the near future. Generally I do not eat processed foods other than perhaps humus. I try to minimize the plastic containers that I have to recycle (none is always better but pretty hard to reach these days). I only drink teas, milk, cranberry juice and tap water. An occasional glass of wine, maybe once or twice a year, and occasional ginger ale. Four bags of groceries is generally it and they are not big bags. Today I was asked about giving to the Food Bank but I do prefer to donate directly and generally do that. Although I suspect if everyone gave $1 then that would work well. I will consider it but I do prefer to donate directly personally. The gas tank is still full because I do not really go anywhere except groceries and I did drive to the doctor last week when I needed to check on my puncture wound to the face which has healed. 

Working on the Pencombe book and I think I will continue to the end of the second research week. Then I will create the next Blake Newsletter already more than a week late and back to the Blake book. I had not really thought about the Pinkham family of the United States being part of the book as they are a part of the greater study for the Guild. But I have now concluded my thinking and will do just this little basic book about the Pencombe family of North Molton now that I have separated them out of the American Pinkham family although I am quite aware that a number of Pincombe descendants particularly in the Barnstaple area used the Pinkham spelling. But one must remember that people probably did not actually write their own names down and that it was the Assessors who spelled their names on the different tax and other returns that were created in this time frame prior to people learning to write on a regular basis. When one says either of the two commonly used names they both sound like "Pinkom" as I noted through the years. Here in Canada the name was generally pronounced as Pincombe in my experience but I remember my grandmother saying that people usually said "Pinkom." So one can see how the spelling could get changed although in my line here there was a huge objection when the name was spelled incorrectly particularly one of the census really irritated my great grandfather. 

Continuing to enter the information into my legacy file (a number of unlinked items) and I also started a blog for the information on the Tawstock Pynkeham family just to keep that fresh and ready for the next Pincombe/Pinkham newsletter. I also have information from Dr. Richard Pinkham which he gave to a cousin of mine who visited him in Gloucestershire when he was in his nineties I think. He gave my cousin a pile of stuff which he photographed and put onto a DVD for me and sent it to me. It was most interesting actually and I have shared it with a few of my cousins who also found it interesting. I usually publish everything that is sent to me but for the moment I prefer to stick to the records that I am pulling from Find My Past. It does sort of appear that the father of Philip Pynkeham was possibly Philip Pengham and both were at Tawstock on two successive Lay Subsidies. Assessors did make spelling errors for sure in those days and now we fill in our own forms so any errors are ours! An Edith Pincombe leaves her will at Tawstock and she was a widow. I will keep accumulating all of this information as I simply could not locate a William in that area that could be the father of Philip. Given the presence of a de Pencombe family at Bondleigh in the early 1300s receiving land grants a drift towards Tawstock would not be unexpected but this is not a family that links anywhere else that I can see and there are three individual events involving a de Pencombe/Pencombe between the early 1300s and the presence of John Pencombe at Northmolton in 1486. Looking at the Herefordshire records there isn't a Roger de Pencombe there but there are de Pencombes with forenames John, William and Thomas at various times between 1100 and the mid 1400s but linking them has not yet been possible. Why choose the surname Pinkham from Pencombe is possibly just a pronunciation thing with the assessor recording it with the spelling he felt was correct. Certainly some known descendants of John Pencombe of Northmolton have the Pinkham spelling in the Barnstaple area. 

The number of individuals descendant of John Pencombe in my Legacy file is now just over 1000 but I am picking up new records every day now and anticipate that it will likely double in size because a lot of Pincombes stayed in England including three of my 2x great grandfather's siblings where I have some information but need to ensure it is complete and the census will do that for me. 

Today continuing with the research and then a week Saturday I will have another consult with the AI on what I have learned. I have found this to be most interesting; it is like having a colleague with his/her fingertips on all the history that has been published and my introduction of specific items that I want to discuss with respect to the descent of the Pencombe family of North Molton and balancing that with the known history of the time. The tricky items include: can information be found to prove their link to the de Pencombe family of Herefordshire? who is Alice and she appears to be the wife of John Pencombe but not listed as a widow in 1543-45 Devon Lay Subsidy where John is missing and presume deceased. Those to me are the most important as I move forward. The presence of Alice (Ales) as one of the daughters of Thomas Pencombe was very interesting.  John Pyncombe, the eldest son's daughters were named Mary and Margaret so not helpful. William Pencombe the middle son Agnes and Mary were the names of his daughters. There are a few thoughts on perhaps John Pencombe was married more than once in his lifetime but still Alice was not listed as a widow as perhaps she was in control of the property but John was still living but elderly. Lots of thoughts but none provable probably. But sometimes the naming of the children can be quite interesting. 

Solitaire puzzles. Exercises all done before breakfast which is also finished. I need to rake the leaves and if it stays dry out there I will do one bag each day over the next few days just to collect up the leaves from the tree at the front.  

Reading the Psalms and they remain some of my most favourite songs. I am now looking for references to the Messiah to come although the prophecies by the prophets will soon be in the readings. Why I do not see them as others in the productions on YouTube is my  not being a religious scholar. I am just reading word for word. 

God be praised for all that He does in this world. He sent Jesus His Son to be with us and to teach us the two laws that we must never move from and that is to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbour as ourself (I do see this as respect for our neighbours). Thank you God for another beautiful day in this world which You have created for all the life that abounds here under the Sun which You also created.  

 

Working my way through the records on Find My Past and Thursday is recovery day from cleaning

The work that I did yesterday: This next set of results for the search (which is just 96 records actually and a number of them are duplicate because of two different sources (this is always good for sure). I have now encountered Philip Pyncombe in the records at Bideford and looking at Chart 10 which is Bideford from the earlier study Philip is said to be a son of William Pincombe. There are a couple of known William Pincombe in the time period that I am reviewing. Thomas has a son William married to Emotte but they did not have a son Philip so they are eliminated from the known descendants of John Pencombe. William the actual son of John Pencombe and his only son William are deceased in the 1560s but the time frame does not work anyway as the son was very young in the 1560s. Family lore does have some members of the South Molton Pincombe family moving to the Barnstaple area. According to Chart 1-2 which is North Molton/South Molton there are no William Pincombe descendants in this time frame eligible. However, Christopher does have a son John and he is not listed on the Chart so I need to be open minded (but the time frame would not really work). I will review the Charts as I move through the records and if I find any changes I will blog them for people's interest.  

As I have now found three distinct areas in Devon where the Pencombe/de Pencombe surname existed from the early 1300s. There is a possibility of having a surname similar to others without being related. Particularly a surname that is attached to the name of a village (in this case, Pencombe, Herefordshire). 

Quite a few people on Chart 10 continued to live in the Bideford/Barnstaple area up into the mid 1900s when Dr. Richard Pinkham was collecting data. However he does not list anyone particularly on Chart 10 as being an informant. Most of the chart is somewhat broken (links are not generational) except at the very top. I did provide all of these charts in the Pincombe newsletters on the FT DNA website by the way. 

I did then move to Chart 14 (Chart 10 does say to go to Chart 16 although it does look overwritten so maybe 14) which repeats the William Pincombe ancestor of the emigrant Richard Pinkham to the United States. William is said to be born in 1539 and married in 1561 (but no name listed for the bride). 

 I pulled up the Devon Lay Subsidy for Tawstock Parish 1524-7 and listed there is Philip Pyngham. There isn't any name similar to Pincombe/Pinkham in Bideford I then moved on to the 1543-45 Devon Lay Subsidy where I located Philip Pynkeham and a Richard Pencombe is at Bideford (this is Thomas Pencombe's son). Moving back to 1332 and looking at Tawstock Parish there is no surname resembling Pincombe. A slow day for sure but what did I learn - the derivatives of the Pinkham surname existed in 1524-7. I also learned that thousands of people with the Pinkham surname are using the data prepared by the earlier researchers. For instance Ann Pyncombe married Christopher Rashleigh and I was amazed to see how many people actually had Ann in the family of William Pincombe and Emotte (Snowe) Pincombe (and no Ann although there is a Johane). The will of William Pincombe in 1602 clearly states the names of the children in this family. So an interesting day spent looking at Philip Pyngham/Pynkeham and his descendants in the Tawstock etc. area and I will put that information into the next newsletter. 

I am in the midst of a second research week where I will look for instances of Pencombe here and there but along the way I wanted to look at the Philip Pynkeham in Tawstock/Bideford area. I am completely unable to link this individual to the Pencombe family in North Molton. Chart 10 though clearly shows the emigrant to the United States and his father as descendant of Philip. The entire chart 10 has many instances of the surname Pincombe and these were primarily word of mouth although a lot of them have BMB data attached to them. But as mentioned the top of the chart does link several generations but the lower half are individual families for the most part. But it was interesting to see the spelling of Philip Pyngham in 1524-7 at Tawstock on the Devon Lay Subsidy when Pencombe/Pyncombe was pretty much localized in North and South Molton. The presence of a surname so close to Pinkham in 1524-7 does give one pause for thought. Had these earlier de Pencombe family members at Bondleigh gradually assimilated into the area. The distance from Bondleigh to Tawstock is 19.6 miles (31.5 km). 

The methodology for doing genealogy has changed in some ways but still one does the reading of all the records and puts together family lines. But DNA lets us check those family lines to see if indeed as one compares with matches that the flow back is the same at the 2x great grandparent level and further back. Most people know their grandparents but not everyone knows their relatives further back.  That is why testing 2nd, 3rd and 4th cousins is really a great idea. 

An interesting day and I completed maybe 1/3 of the 96 records and will complete today perhaps since I have the whole day. All the cleaning is accomplished.

My two week research event is to look at the areas that are of interest; determine if there is a Pencombe/Pyncombe family presence there between the 1332 Devon Lay Subsidy and the 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy. I did find some information and perhaps I have located the furtherest back ancestor of the Pinkham family of the United States. Myself, when I discovered that my Blake line was ancient British it was rather intriguing to know that my ancestral line went back to the Western Hunter Gatherers as they worked their way across Europe to the British Isles probably via Doggerland at that time so a dry type of voyage for the most part. Tugging away at my brain was the notion were they returning to a land their ancestors had talked about because Homo sapiens retreated to the south of Europe during the Last Glacial Maximum. Discovering that my Pincombe line came from the continent likely in the 1100s but probably before the 1330s when the Emigrant's Database collects those names as they are not there was different. They were not part of the Norman Conquest but they had been the later group coming to England looking for new places to live in so less exciting perhaps than the Hunter Gatherers. Although it does take true spirit of adventure to leave a solid European environment and go to the wilds of Herefordshire I suspect in 1100. 

There is still some time left in my research period of two weeks so will spend it continuing to look at the records. But I do believe that John Pencombe arrived in 1486 in North Molton just as the Visitation states and that his three sons were born in North Molton possibly with Alice as their mother but I have nothing about Alice other than she is on the 1545 Devon Lay Subsidy at North Molton and the tax 5. It does not say that she is a widow. 

I have begun my Legacy Chart in earnest now and have pulled in the information from my family tree to add to Richard son of William and Emotte Pincombe. Identifying Richard with his son William in the will of 1602 was very handy but I have still spent some time making sure that this Richard is my direct ancestor (there are several thousand or more cousins going along for this ride with me and I would like to get it right). So the book will be solely about John Pencombe at North Molton with his three sons and all their descendants. I am unable to link in the Roger de Pencombe at Bondleigh or the John de Pencomb' at Molland in 1332 to this family. I am also unable to be sure that John Pencombe is related to the de Pencombe family in Herefordshire and will leave it to those closer to Herefordshire to check out the documents in their Archives to see if such a link exists. Just the fact that the forenames are so similar in that both use John, William and Thomas through the generations is not really enough for proof since they are also typical English forenames. But 1486 isn't a bad year to have worked your way back to in a family line and there is room for others to do more in the future. The clustering of this Pencombe family at North Molton and then South Molton is an indication also of their newness perhaps although the movement out in the next generation towards the west including Bideford/Barnstaple and East Buckland and then in the next generation to the east towards Bishops Nympton and Molland is very interesting. Pioneer spirit I guess but it was a long time before my line went to America or Canada except for one individual that tested in the United States although I believe he told me that his family had arrived in the early 1800s as opposed to the middle 1800s for my direct line going to Canada along with his brother who went to America. 

A personal thing this book as opposed to my gathering of information for the Pincombe-Pinkham study. Full speed ahead although I will continue to blog any differences I find with the charts as I work my way through the information. 

The coat of arms for Pincombe was granted to John Pyncombe of South Molton in 1616. He was married to Amy Dodridge  (Arms of Pincombe (or Pyncombe) of South Molton, Devon: Per pale gules and azure, three close helmets argent garnished or) and my understanding is that a Coat of Arms belongs to the person to whom it is granted and one must apply to use the Coat of Arms on a regular basis and there has been a change to show different ownership but I am not an expert - it is just my thought. Exceptions would be the Blake coat of arms that is old and used by a number of Blake lines in the Wiltshire/Hampshire area. 

I was surprised to see how mixed up some people's trees are with the South Molton and the North Molton branches of Pincombe. I guess it just gets started and then people copy. Always better to do one's own research. 

Time to do the solitaire puzzles and keep the brain active.  

 

 

Solved the mystery

 Remembering the 1200 deaths three years ago when Hamas attacked the kibbutz areas of Israel and the Music Festival where so many young people had come together to celebrate their love of music. God be ever with those murdered that day and with those who had to recover from the dreadful consequences of that act. 

Yesterday amazingly successful for a couple of items that have been on my mind for years.  A Margaret Gregorye married William Pyncombe the 26th Nov 1564 at North Molton. I have puzzled over this marriage because of the way it was recorded on Chart 1 of the original researchers in the Pincombe Pinkham study. The William Pincombe who actually married Margaret Gregorye was the son of John Pencombe and he had just buried all three of his children and his wife a year earlier and then he himself died about four months after this marriage. It was a mystery as the ages; the timing so many things just did not make sense. That corrects that glaring problem that was in the North Molton/South Molton Chart. It was purely by chance that I suddenly realized I likely had the burials of the father of William Pencombe interchanged with that of his infant son. Once fixed, it all fell into place. 

It was the son named William of William Pyncombe and Emott Snow that married Temperance Pollard and this William was a Coroner in Devon as listed on the Visitation not his grandson as shown on Chart1-2. But solving the Margaret Gregorye marriage and then the marriage of William Squire to Margaret Pyncombe was fortuitous because there isn't a Margaret Pyncombe in these families in this time period (1560s) at North Molton (but she would then have been a widow which works). There is a Margaret Pyncombe in the  early register at North Molton who married Philip Kingdon 15 Nov 1539 at North Molton and I suspect  she was the granddaughter of John Pencombe (arrived in 1486); daughter of his eldest son John. She would have been born in the early 1520s perhaps. There are few accurate dates of individuals in this time frame although on the Visitation William married to Temperance Pollard is 54 years of age in 1620 thus placing his birth in 1566. He was the second son of William and Emott Pincombe. In the will of Johanne Pencombe (mother of William married to Emott) she does not mention that William is married but does mention all other marriages of the six children she shared with Thomas Pencombe. One can perhaps assume that in 1563 (the year of her will) William did not yet have any children. It all fits together like a glove!

I completed the first 80 year search of Pencombe (including derivatives) from Find My Past. It was a very successful day and hopefully today equally promising as I continue to put together the third generation. I am in conversation with a member of the Pinkham family in the United States and an email between us revealed that Philip Pynkeham is his ancient relative - the father of the Richard Pinkham that came to the royal colony of now Maine in the 1600s. Who this Philip Pynkeham is is a mystery but not mine to solve other than putting it into my file system in case anyone asks me about him. He simply does not fit into the third generation of the Pencombe family of North Molton. He is at Tawstock on the 1543-45 Devon Lay Subsidy as an adult presumably. There remains the two other de Pencombe families that have appeared  in the records of Devon namely Roger de Pencombe at Bondleigh in the early 1300s and John de Pencomb' as an Assessor on the 1332 Devon Lay subsidy at Molland (he does not appear though in the tax list there). Are they related to this Philip Pynkeham? No ideas on that but I am not able to look at the very large Pinkham family in the United States in terms of publication; first of all I do not have that information at hand, it is too much work for me and I will stick with the smaller family of Pencombe which is my line of descent for the book publication and eventually Pyncombe and then Pincombe (although some members did use the Pinkham spelling) in Devon. John Pencombe of Northmolton is there in 1486 with John Lord Zouch who is attainted and has taken up residence with his cousin in North Molton (it was part of the la Zouche family holdings but gradually moved into a female line by 1486). 

I do hate to appear to be separating the two studies but at 81 I can manage the Pencombe in the book I have decided to write which I am familiar with but not the very large American Pinkham family which is in good hands already. I can see now that this is the moment when I truly do cut loose the two parts of the study in terms of writing my book but the study has been together for a long time and when I retire from the Guild of one-name Studies perhaps someone else will see it differently;  no ideas on that. The yDNA results do indicate that the founder lines are not the same and it is good to just continue with my project of following down the lines of John Pencombe at North Molton. I now have a good second generation although still working on the likely years for each of the three sons. Although I will continue extracting for the entire study into my system files I will only use the Pincombe material related to North Molton in the book. I do still get requests for information from the Pinkham family in the United States but I tend to refer that to the individual who has taken a strong interest in that history as he is more knowledgeable than I am for the Pinkham family of the United States. I did invite Galen Pinkham to work with me maybe fifteen years ago but he was busy with  his own family material which I understand completely in that I have two books on the go. I am too busy now to take on such involvement as I am now writing up what I have learned for the benefit of family members. 

I need to do the Blake Newsletter and will move to that likely this week to complete that. I have quite a bit I can report on the Blake book as it moves forward as well. Mind a bit active and it is 3:00 a.m. I will work for a bit and then back to sleep. 

Next step, the North Molton branches appear to be sorted in the second generation, is looking at the Pencombe family in South Molton as John (eldest son of John Pencombe) is already there and well propertied with G10 on the 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy and his son Christopher at G5 (presumably a very young child). The other son John does not appear in the tax records until the 1543-45 Devon Lay Subsidy. On Chart 1-2 John, son of John Pencombe, is not given a year of birth but his son John is listed as born in 1501 (Christopher does not have a year of birth listed). I would propose that the father of Christopher and John was likely born in this 1501 time period rather than his son and the dating in this Chart 1-2 is out by a generation. 

Looking at Chart 1-2 prepared by the earlier researchers one can see large changes in the family of Thomas already (he was not born in 1481 as he would have been 43 then on the 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy where he is listed as W1 just under John Pencombe (his father) and that is very unlikely (W meaning wages). In 1543 he is at East Buckland and listed as 9 (which is the level of taxes). William Pyncombe (listed as born in 1506 on Chart 1-2 (he left his will dated 1602 so another unlikely happening) was the son of Thomas Pencombe as listed on Chart 1-2. This chart does not include William's siblings Richard, John, Alice or the unnamed youngest sister. 

William married to Emotte Snowe is part of the fourth generation and he was likely born in the early 1530s or late 1520s. I always had a problem with that section of the chart. William (married to Emotte Snowe) left his will dated in 1602 where he lists his children as Johane, John, William, Symon, Richard, Thomas, Lewis, Peter and Katherin. Thomas (father of this William) was still earning wages in 1524-7 so late teens and then by 1543-45 at East Buckland on the Devon Lay Subsidy listed as 9 on the tax roll for value. The marriage with Emotte Snowe is not in the registers thus far but it is a while since I did a thorough search and I continue pulling that data, if I missed any earlier, today. Chart 1-2 lists William and Emotte's children as John, William, Agnes, Richard, Mary, and Ann which does not fit the will of William. Interestingly an Ann Pincombe married a Christopher Rashleigh (a very well known upper class Devon family) and has been listed as part of William and Emotte's family. The blog that I published which was a reprint has this Ann as part of the South Molton Pincombe family (which is principally John rather than Thomas although William Pincombe (son of William and Emott Pincombe) married to Temperance Pollard did live in South Molton for a period of time as Coroner). 

I consider sometimes recreating these charts but they are a part of history; how people saw these things and how they explained them and so we must just move on making our additions based on the available information and the book will contain my thoughts and certainly the material that the AI brings to the table as well in terms of looking at it with the knowledge of all available history at the AI's fingertips. That was how I treated James Sander's book on the Siderfin family. It remains an important book in the history of the Siderfin family mine simply attempted to add in more information but I must fix the index and will do that and add in my new material unless someone beats me to it!

Instead I will produce a generational chart that will, hopefully, capture all the male lines coming down and the female lines for one generation to show the surnames that married into the Pincombe family of North Molton (including my line!).  

Solitaire puzzles are next and it is basement cleaning day.  

Doing a bit of contemplation

Working on the second generation at North Molton and quite quickly we have John, the likely eldest son of John Pencombe in South Molton married to Emma (need to find this) with two sons John and Christopher. Since Christopher has property on the 1624-7 Devon Lay Subsidy I suspect he is the oldest although the only death I find is Mar 1623 at South Molton. There is a Christopher Pyncombe on the 1624-7 Devon Lay Subsidy with G5 at South Molton. He could have inherited this property when he was born but that is still a pretty long life of 100 years plus. The registers for South Molton do not begin until 1601. At some point I acquired the date of 1575 for the burial of Christopher and I will have to see why I have that; at the beginning I was not always as careful to record where I found things although I quickly learned but again I am going back a long way looking at some of these items as I pursue the Second Generation of the Pencombe family. Interesting though that there is another Christopher Pyncombe at South Molton perhaps as not listed on the Visitation of Devon 1620. Often a lot of people can be missed on these Visitations. In particular this one has Richard and John (brothers of this William) as executors but reading my transcription it is his wife that will be executrix and his two oldest sons William and John are to assist with the will execution. One does have to be careful to check all the data. My Richard is mentioned along with his son William and I do think that he doesn't say where anyone is and at this point Richard is in Bishops Nympton. This will take a while as some times the Parish Registers have not yet begun or were lost and finding those tiny bits that let you recreate takes time. I did find them years ago but sometimes I  need to find them again! 

I have now vacuumed everything and it is time to dust. Then the bathroom to scrub and the day of cleaning is complete. I have still not used my antibiotic and it is actually feeling fine. The worst part was the drainage as I do not believe I have ever in my recall experienced a puncture wound. The draining was quite exceptional and one could feel it as it pushed out through the scab opening. A good one to avoid I think perhaps. But as always I recommend going to a doctor to be looked at; they are the experts.  

All fascinating really how health care works. I was contemplating how much I pay for health care as a tax paying citizen and how seldom I actually have needed to go which has been lucky for me just one visit a  year since my daughter said at my age (I think I was around 75) I really should (and I now have had two visits this year)  sees me paying a portion of my taxes (I assume that I pay the usual 24% to 25% as a family (even though I am just one person)) and my private health coverage ($2200)) so I estimate that I pay around $5000 per year but eventually I may cost the system money no ideas on that although I suspect I will die in my sleep at some point because I have sleep apnea. I have been in a hospital three times (2 pregnancies (seven days (difficult birth) and two days), one breakdown and I was on the Psychiatric Ward for 14 days (you do everything for yourself on this ward except food is provided in a cafeteria which you go and get so perhaps the cheapest ward to run no ideas on that) and the total number of days is 24 hospitalized in my lifetime plus I was born in a hospital but my mother came home quite soon actually (I think she said three days, forgot about that)). Some of the wards are very expensive to run and have far more people working in them.  I have now used five full days of my antibiotic and the redness is gone, the drainage stopped a couple of days ago and the wound is healed although I will have a scar (a tiny one) and I begin to wonder if I was bitten by an insect perhaps no ideas on that but the mark is so small. I really do not remember hitting my face with the branch but it was sort of a difficult couple of minutes as I pulled it off the fence where it was stuck and down from the tree where it was hanging and I could have missed noticing that. I did see it out the window for maybe a week before I tackled it. I think there might be a bit of nerve damage but it appears to be correcting itself.  The redness is all gone and my prescription doesn't say when to stop using it but my daughter (who has not seen me as she is 65 kilometres away) kindly told me that 5 - 7 days is common so this is day 6 (I must figure out  how to call the office I go to). I must say the antibiotic was very efficient. Chemically speaking though in another 23 days it is useless so really we should go back to packaging it in smaller quantities like the druggists of old (mind you that doesn't save the medical system money but does make a lot of money for pharmaceuticals). It is difficult to guage how much will need to be used so the common packaging is probably cheaper than having to measure it out constantly and protecting the product from contamination is very important so one has to take the down sides with the upsides (and the business case is made for larger packaging). Two weeks though on a psych ward was more than enough medical care to last me for a lifetime to be honest. I never like being a patient if I can help it and I will not move another downed branch over one metre long. It surely is time to move and maybe I will be lucky and it will be sooner rather than later. If it ever happens again I will remember to ask when one stops the medication. The tube is very large and you can hardly see that I used any. Never thought of it at the time; getting old for sure. Thank you to my daughter for helping me out.  We need to have a good medical system for all (I firmly believe in that); I worked in the hospital for more than 12 years of my working life and I do place a high value on our medical care system. I do not especially want to see children needing care; we are better than that for sure. I willingly pay all that is asked for my taxes and for my extra coverage. Personally I probably would never go except when I absolutely need care but I do not like to make my children stressed worrying and so I go once a year (or if I have an accident). It seems to work well. I have blood work to do and will eventually get there. Since I know some of the items in my family history I am not going to rush for sure; I remember my uncle needed these blood product transfusions the last maybe five years of his life and I am suspicious that I will end up that way. We will see. But he had them transfused in his house. Perhaps it is even easier now to acquire such items everything is so portable these days. 

Must accomplish more cleaning and than back to writing. I have a lot to do and must try to get to it all. My uncle though was 89 when he passed and still quite capable right up to the last few days.  

Dusting all done and just the bathroom to scrub. Dinner is chicken stew (my favourite by far and four days in a row is great) and I need to make my banana bread because I just have one piece left. That keeps my weight fairly stable because I do have this tendency to forget to eat on occasion. 

I actually found a will for a Simon Pincombe that I downloaded back in 2010 at Kew. I randomly picked some wills and that was one of them but I have never transcribed it. I might do that as it looks interesting but not the Symon (son of William mentioned above) who was gone from England in 1602 and I still haven't pulled up that blog discussing the person who wrote me from Sweden and had traced back and discovered a non-Swedish ancestor and also we matched on atDNA as did my siblings who are a much better match to Pincombe than I am. But there are a couple of lengths that we all share; all of us third cousins and fourth cousins and it goes on. 

I think I will spend a bit more time on Christopher to see what I can learn. He had a son John and this family is by family lore mentioned as some of them moving to the Barnstaple area where we do find Pincombe. It is linking them all together and the Barnstaple Parish Registers are quite good so will get into that. Having the path all the way back for my line is very helpful. I know where the bottlenecks are (i.e. only one descendant in a generation).  William's huge family (he was principally at East Buckland) really set up the Pincombe family for a large expansion as the two eldest pretty much inherited everything so the younger sons had to be inventive to get ahead and they were pretty much. Peter and Lewes, the youngest two, though I know virtually nothing about them but will try to discover what I can. 

 

A quiet day

Church was lovely and I do so love that organ music. Mind you a lot of churches online have organ music but this one I attended with Edward in our "empty nest" period of time which was actually not empty until our eldest went off to do her PhD after working in industry (an American company actually) for about five years. It was a great addition to her already excellent CV and work activity. Then our youngest was busy with university and then medical school and along the way getting married and having children although sadly they did leave us and move out on their own. But that is the way of life for sure. 

 But I digress from Church and the sermon was quite interesting as I love hearing the meshing of Old Testament and New Testament and how the Christian religion developed and grew. Mind you he did not use all those words but overall his sermons are very educational and there is nothing I enjoy more than learning for sure. A day gone by without learning is a lost day I used to tell my children and so at two and three they were busy learning to read and working with numbers, printing and having fun too with it. Ready for school far too early for the system but I think it is catching up. The school can not be everything to a child; it is a learning centre with learning and ethics top of the list from the earliest days as it should be. Every child matters; the First Nations are so right about that. 

 Not too much done in terms of work as I planned for a quiet day for the most part. The only time I went outside was to shake out the toaster crumbs onto the grass for the birds. There wasn't very much. 

I continued contemplating the first three generations as I gather up everything that I have to create this family tree along with the tree created by the two earlier researchers. This tree is Chart 1 and does not have any acknowledgements so likely it was put together using the Visitations and perhaps some knowledge of family lines coming down. I am bothered most by Thomas being given a date of birth in 1481 as he was a worker on the Devon Lay subsidy in 1524-27 since he received wages and he was listed right next to his likely father on the subsidy. That would make him 43 years of age and the son listed to him William is given a year of birth of 1506 and this individual wrote his will in 1602 and it was probated by 1605. This will listed all of his children and they do not match the children on the chart. William's will was probated by the Prerogative Court of Canterbury and there were undoubtedly lots of problems having access especially during war years and the researchers did not live in the London area. On the other hand John Pyncombe in South Molton is not given a year of birth but his son John is given 1501 as that year of birth but Christopher his other son is not given an age but is on the Devon Lay subsidy with Goods of 5 and his father John Pencome with Goods of 10. My suspicion is that this record was perhaps seen by the creators of this table and gave John that age thinking he was at least 21 years of age but the large loss of life ended up with new laws on how to deal with underaged inheritors and they were listed at any age. So just a couple of items at the beginning that I found difficult to resolve with the parish registers where they exist and especially the tax records. Just wanted to explain that to anyone who has the Charts since I put them into the Newsletter a while ago. 

Today is cleaning day and I will be doing the top floor. Starting soon. Solitaire puzzles done in the night as I continue with a runaway mind because I am thinking too much. But soon will be resolved. I am that kind of a person who must think everything through; search out the documents if they exist and I can purchase them and then move forward once again.  

Working with the AI for a bit today

 Today ends my one week looking at the old records and contemplating just what the one liner in the heading of the Visitation of 1620 Devon for the Pyncombe family really meant. 

Point one: The logic of choosing Pencombe as a surname with a village called that in Herefordshire was fairly common when surnames first came into being. generally it was de Pencombe so "of Pencombe" leaving one with the impression at least two sets of people from Herefordshire were in Devon in the 1300s - early 1300s Bondleigh (Roger de Pencombe) and as an Assessor on the 1332 Lay Subsidy for Devon at Molland (John de Pencomb'). Were they related? Then we have the third Pencombe family in 1486 at North Molton (one hundred and fifty years later) but they use the surname Pyncombe on the Visitation of Devon  1620. 

Point two: The only Pencombe/Pincombe/Pyncombe family members on the 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy are living in the North Molton area. I did try a number of spellings including Tencombe which has been suggested to me but on the early records it was spelled Teigncombe like the river nearby where they were and considerably further away from the Pencombe than Bondleigh was.  I have eliminated that line as being Pencombe. 

Point three:  

 The 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy for 1524 has in the index Pencombe pages 89, 90, 91; Pincombe page 89, which results in South Molton Borough: John Pencome G 10; South Molton Parish: Chris Pyncombe G5; North Molton Parish: John Pencombe G5, Thomas Pencombe W 1 (one after the other), William Pencombe G2.  The 1620 Visitation of the County of Devon for Pyncombe was submitted by William Pyncombe of South Molton and East Buckland the son of William Pincombe and Emot Snowe with this William being the son of Thomas Pencombe as noted on the Visitation. The sons of John Pencome/Pencombe at South Molton were John and Christopher with each having a son John. So this second generation coming down is visible with this chart and leads into the third but rather inadequately given the actual parish registers that exist and the Devon Lay Subsidy of 1543-45 and the Devon Muster Roll of 1569. But it does serve to separate out the two son's lines since they are the only two of three sons with descendants coming down past the third generation. Christopher's line appears to disappear but there was family lore in the South Molton family that some members of the South Molton family moved to the Barnstaple area and the one tester who matches the other four has a family history back to Barnstaple and is the basis of my thought that the two lines continue to be represented to the current time. The only Pencombe in  Devon at this time appears to be at North or South Molton.

Point four:

The 1543 - 45 Devon Lay subsidy has entries for Pencombe pages 62, 63, 77, 86, 105; Pincombe page 61, Pinkham page 94. This results in South Molton Parish (1544): John Pyncome 13, Christopher Pyncombe 10; North Molton Parish (1545): Alice Pencombe 5 (one notes this does not say widow), William Pencombe 6, John Pencombe 4; (1544) William Pyncum 13; Nymett Regis (Kings Nympton Parish (1545) Richard Pencombe 1; Estbuclond Parish (East Buckland (1544) Thomas Pencomb 9; Tawstock Parish (1544) Philip Pynkeham 8 (who is he?); Bedeford Parish (Bideford 1544) Richard Pencombe 5. 

Summing up: I have looked at all this data a number of times but it was back in my much earlier days into genealogy. First things I noticed was the Snow family here and there although said to be Anstey for Emot Snow the wife of Thomas Pencombe (there was actually one at Bishops Nympton). I found my eyes wandering over the areas around North Devon and contemplated whether everything made it into the index since this was prepared totally by hand but knowing the ancestors they tended towards accuracy but having discovered the page difference in 1332 for John de Pencomb' I feel I should spend perhaps another week looking at all of this data. 

Point five:

The Devon Muster 1569 was also very interesting: Pincombe pages 147, 162, 164, 165: East Buckland William Pyncomb G7, William Pyncombe pikeman; North Molton John Pincomb (presenter sworn); South Molton Parish with the Towne Christopher Pincomb G7, John Pincomb G6, John Pincombe G7, John Pincombe pikeman. Pinkham page 141 Yarnscombe: Richard Penkham pikeman;  A little more time on this database is needed as well.  (Yarnscombe is near Barnstaple). 

The one week revealed a few weaknesses in my work although I did review the Early Chancery Proceedings going backwards from 1486 and then forwards from 1486 but did not locate anything on the Pencombe (or any derivative spelling) in these records. 

Point six: 

The Purcome family on the 1543-45 Devon Lay subsidy I have eliminated in the past at Blackawton Parish. I could revisit that although I do not think they are the same family as they are in Exeter which is too far away for either of the two de Pencombe members found in the 1300s I still think.

Conclusion on the one week for me:

As suggested by the AI, the use of Pyncombe of Northmolton may have hinted at prior knowledge of Pyncombe elsewhere in Devon. It was not possible to link the two records from the 1300s with the family in the late 1400s. It was not that unusual for people to pick a place name as their surname. I think I will spend another week sorting and entering in all the information for the first three generations at North Molton. The line at South Molton was considered to have died out in the male line so will have to look at that carefully to see if indeed this line coming down into the 2000s is totally descendant of Thomas Pencombe son of John Pencombe. All testers match so one must be careful to consider all the written thoughts on the family at South Molton having moved there from North Molton in the early 1500s. 

Time for a bit of exercise. Breakfast finished and solitaire puzzles complete.  

 Put my points into my chat window with the Co-pilot and we agree. Another week still trying to locate information on Pencombe in Herefordshire or Devon. The importance of the la Zouche family in all of this is the location of Northmolton being in common to both at this moment in time and that the arrival was simultaneously occurring at the same time - the reason unknown and without reading into the la Zouche family papers I think that I would not find it. A number of young men were executed after the Battle of Bosworth Field and it is highly likely that anything that saved a youth in a family was probably kept pretty tight in the family. Releasing it in this way over one hundred and thirty four years later was likely considered to be history and the English are sticklers for history having grown up with two English born and raised grandparents and coming from families dating back hundreds of years and perhaps thousands. The English do appreciate their history and have been very speedy at saving it electronically for the generations ahead to enjoy. The lessons of the Second World War were well learned. Moving ahead in some terms with actually creating the three generations coming down from John Pencombe and possibly his wife Alice. The lack of the word widow in the record is troubling but at no point do we see a daughter in that second generation. The  name Alice was a popular one within the family in those generations along with Johane. 

I must continue to hunt out the mystery of the South Molton Pencombe family. Christopher and his son John disappear. John and his son John continue the line and it is well known and published. The wealth of that family became the Pyncombe Trust and has been very well utilized through the centuries in the village concerned. I have a Philip Pynkeham at Tawstock that is very interesting. 

Robert Pincombe (my 3x great grandfather and his wife Elizabeth Rowcliffe Pincombe) had eight children and the daughter was named Elizabeth; the seven sons were named (birth order) Robert, John, William, Thomas, George, Richard and Philip. Interesting that but Elizabeth's father's forename was Philip and her brothers' forenames were Philip, George and William so not referring back in time perhaps very far. The interesting part of all of this was I discovered Rowcliffe cousins in Huron County, Ontario. 

Must check on lunch.  

 

 

 

National Day of Truth and Reconciliation 2026

 I watched some of the National Day of Truth and Reconciliation 2026. It continues to be sad that so many children suffered. I am glad that we have a special day for particularly the survivors to tell us the truth of what happened to them in the boarding schools. The First Nations are such an integral part of Canada; they welcomed many to their lands and helped them very often. We need to be helpers in return when it is possible for us to do so. 

 My error two days ago has set my mind forward thinking about Richard at Bishops Nympton. In the will of his father he is lumped together with two of his brothers Symon and Thomas and the property at Over Molland Sarazin assigned to them in its entirety. Symon is away from England and his father hopes he returns. I can remember when I first learned this from the will and blogged it and not long after I had an autosomal DNA match with someone in Sweden. My that is long ago but I will probably find it in my blog. This individual carried a small amount of a common Pincombe length so was rather interesting given that I knew that Symon had left England and gone somewhere. Although I am convinced this Richard is the first of my Pincombe to be at Bishops Nympton I do wonder why his father doesn't mention that. 

One of the problems with the earlier wills was that anything that had already been given was not always mentioned. He does however mention that Richard has a son William which we know is true of the Richard Pincombe at Bishops Nympton (William was baptized 23 Mar 1599 at Bishops Nympton). William's mother Anne was buried 3 May 1600 at Bishops Nympton and his sister Anne was buried 3 Mar 1598 at Bishops Nympton). So this is old style and William was baptized 23 Mar 1599/1600 and his mother died/buried 41 days later. This William writes his will after the marriage of Richard Pincombe and Francis Gill at Bishops Nympton 6 Nov 1601 but does  not mention that. William's will (father of Richard) is dated 20 Dec 1602 although not probated until 13 Jul 1605. 

There are only two sons who had sons who survived as the descendants of John Pencombe who came to North Molton in 1486 so descent can only be from one of these two sons. I assigned one of the yDNA matches to the South Molton branch  (his ancestor (?x grandmother changed her surname and that of her children back to Coates her maiden name). This individual had knowledge of his male Pincombe line that was at Barnstaple and the family lore for South Molton has descendants of the John Pincombe who lived there (eldest son of John Pencombe) moving to the Barnstaple area. This match does carry the anticipated yDNA (y-700) result that matches our known cousin (descendant of Robert Pincombe). 

There is also a will of a William Pyncombe probated 12 Mar 1642 and blogged by me:

https://kippeeb.blogspot.com/2011/10/will-of-william-pincombe-of-molland.html

This William lived at Molland. His appointments of overseers/Rulers are interesting - Thomas Pyncombe my Uncle, John Pyncombe my brother, John Pyncombe of Nymptom Epi and William Pyncombe of Filleigh. The John Pyncombe at Bishops Nympton is the half brother of William at Filleigh  (both sons of Richard I believe). This always left me with the impression that Thomas had been the owner of Over Molland Sarazin with Richard and Symon elsewhere if Symon returned to England (I never find a record for him). So this William is a nephew of Richard as well as Thomas  in this time period. This William is deceased by 12 Mar 1642 when probate is submitted. Richard was buried 31 Jan 1648 at Bishops Nympton. It seemed practical at the time and I didn't question it but he is outliving his elder brothers by 20 plus years and a nephew. Is that reasonable? 

I appear to have moved on from searching the old material to see if I can determine in what capacity John Pencombe came to North Molton in 1486. I believe I have looked at everything I have collected and now the Early Chancery Proceedings does not lead to anything yet. I am perhaps five or six years into the reign of Henry VII now. I will have to make a decision tomorrow on whether to return to that slow digging through the records or back to creating the genealogical tree coming down John Pencombe and I will be moving back from my grandfather John Routledge Pincombe at the same time. I have a lot of material that I have not thought about or looked at for many years. I will do it coming down and going back because I need to knit together some of the families in the past that I alluded to but did not necessarily add into the Legacy file. Doing it that way will show me more alternatives and places where I should have a question before making a final decision. 

In a way my mistake was good because I realized that I didn't really look at it but jumped to a conclusion which I noted later and corrected. Probably was my wound to the face or I am getting old.

My puncture wound is healing and it is amazing I never felt it really except if I think about it I may have but was busy trying to manage that huge length of wood and drag it up to the back of the house where it sits until it gets chopped up by one of my people one of these days.  The doctor advised an antibiotic cream and I picked up my blood work that we had talked about  my doing later in the year so saves another appointment. Doctors are really busy. 

 My four times great grandfather John Pincombe's will was lost in the bombing of the Exeter Archives. As it turned out Dr. Richard Pinkham transcribed these wills in the 1930s (a lot of them, I think I found about fourteen of them at the Society of Genealogists in London, England when we visited there one time). 

Dr. Richard Pinkham's transcription reads: 

Principal Registry Exeter

John Pincombe of Bishop's Nympton. yeoman.

Will date 14 June 1794. To my wife Mary [(Charly) Pincombe] 200 pounds and goods. To my son John P. an estate called Lambescombe in North Molton on condition he pays his two sisters 20 pounds each in five years [one sister deceased before probate]. To my son Robert Pincombe 80 pounds when he is 21 and 5 pounds yearly until then. To my two sons William and Robert Pincombe half each of the copyhold estate called West Woods in Bishops Nympton when they are 21 [this is close to Park where Robert lived]. To my son Thomas 300 pounds when he is 21 and 5 pounds a year until then. To my daughter Grace Pincombe 110 pounds. Residue to my son William Executor. Witnesses W Bowden, Grace Down Seal a stag.

Proved 7 May 1795 by William Pincombe Exor.

From this will I made a few assumptions; William (second son) inherited Park and East Woods and partial West Woods (possibly because John (eldest son) had a natural daughter and never married). Mary (older daughter) is not mentioned she married George Zeale 20 May 1794 and died possibly in childbirth 28 Mar 1795. Grace did not marry until 14 Apr 1806 (Richard Headdon). Robert and Thomas were the youngest sons. Robert had received partial West Woods already so less money than Thomas perhaps. No property mentioned for Thomas. Robert's will does help with that as his property was by copyhold which meant his brothers were involved with that and the will of John does point to that. 

We are proven back to John Pincombe (will proved 7 May 1795) by yDNA with a descendant of William (living in Australia), older brother to Robert. The further proof of the y-700 test gives five testers with the same result hence all descendant of John Pencombe who arrived at North Molton in 1486. This is reminding me that I need to pull all of the Pincombe records out of Find My Past. There are 50,000 about although I have many of them already in the trees but I do not have fiche for all of the parishes so will have to do that starting next once I have moved on from John Pencombe and why the family found it so significant that he arrived at North Molton with John Lord Zouch. The significance may lie in there already having been Pencombes in Devon which is mentioned at Bonelegh (Bondleigh) and Molland in the early 1300s at Bondleigh and on the Lay Subsidy of 1332 at Molland. So this John Pencombe of Northmolton came with Lord Zouch at the beginning of the reign of Henry VII. This was a suggestion of the AI as we discussed that the last time that that may have been the intent of writing "Pyncombe of Northmolton." I did find it interesting how quickly the movement away from the Pencombe spelling was actually. 

Have I proven it? Did I answer my question of whether or not John Pencombe was already at Northmolton in 1486?  Perhaps I will see what the AI thinks of any additional information that I will add to what I have already given it to look at this query.  I now believe that John Pencombe arrived with John Lord Zouch but I do not understand the circumstance. Since John Lord Zouch survived the Battle of Bosworth Field and was able to get to North Molton I am still not entirely sure whether John Pencombe was his escort to ensure he went to North Molton or one of his retinue and they managed to escape to North Molton. That may never be solved as I have found no mention in the Early Chancery Proceedings and only one reference to Pincombe in the Calendar of Patent Rolls. Since John Pencombe and all three of his sons have property though on the 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy I am tempted to think that he served more as an escort but will leave that for history to solve - likely there are more documents to read from that time period.

Thank you God for another beautiful day on your world. Today the decision on the twinning of the Trans Mountain Pipeline. We will be careful with your world and take all the precautions that we can but oil will keep us afloat for a bit whilst we grow the other industries that were lost. Peace must come to our world but as I read the Bible I am not seeing peace at all really. I must finish Job and move on to the Psalms. The Psalms are some of my very favourite writings in the Old Testament.  

 

 

Basement cleaning completed

 Basement all cleaned and the main floor is today. I do think this regular routine serves me well both as good exercise and keeping the house always  more or less ready. 

Worked on the Early Chancery Proceedings but switched to reading the 3rd volume on Internet Archive which begins with the reign of Henry VII.  Nothing yet but still in 1485 although I doubt that mention is made of John Lord Zouch going to North Molton but we will see. He was attainted in 1485. I have reviewed almost all of my material now from earlier searches although still the Parish Registers to look at and North Molton:

Baptisms

 Number    Surname    Forename    status    Fathers surname    Fathers forename    Mothers surname    Mothers forename    Year    Month    Day    Details
80    Pyncombe    Agnes    daughter    Pyncombe    William            1543    June    6    
169    Pyncombe    Mary    daughter    Pyncombe    William            1547    Dec    8    
364    Pyncombe    Marye    daughter    Pymcombe    John            1555    July    8    
390    Pyncombe    Marye    daughter    Pyncombe    John            1555    Feb    3    
473    Pyncombe    Johane    daughter    Pyncombe    John            1561    Apr    5    
521    Pyncombe    Marye    daughter    Pyncombe    John            1563    Jan    18    
750    Pyncombe    Peternell    daughter    Pyncombe    John            1574    Jun    29    of Flitton
1256    Pyncombe    Phillip    son    Pyncombe    George            1592    May    28    
1320    Pyncombe    Emott    daughter    Pyncombe    George        Dorothie    1594    Dec    9    
1373    Pyncombe    William    son    Pyncombe    George        Dorothie    1597    Apr    15    
1415    Pyncombe    Johane    daughter    Pyncombe    George        Dorothie    1599    Nov    9    
1493    Pincombe    Henrye    son    Pincombe    George        Dorothie    1602    Dec    19    
1818    Pincombe    Thomas    son    Pincombe    Thomas            1616    Mar    30    
2535    Pincombe    William    son    Pincombe    Thomas        Joan    1639    Mar    31    
2606    Pincombe    Thomas    son    Pincombe    Thomas        Joan    1641    Apr    14    
2734    Pincombe    Richarde    son    Pincome    Thomas        Joan    1644    Nov    10    
2735    Pincombe    John    son    Pincome    Thomas        Joan    1644    Nov    10    
2830    Pincombe    Frances    daughter    Pincome    Bartholomew        Frances    1647    Dec    12    
2865    Pincombe    Robart    son    Pincombe    Thomas        Joan    1648    Jan    21    
2909    Pincombe    Richorde    daughter    Pincombe    Bartholomew        Joan    1649    Feb    19    
3084    Pincombe    John    son    Pincombe    Bartholomew        Joane    1654    Nov    27    

Dates of Birth rather than Baptism
3696    Pincombe    Thomas    son    Pincombe    Thomas            1670    Oct    18    
3885    Pincombe    Mary    daughter    Pincombe    Thomas        Agnis    1677    Apr    8    
4012    Pincombe    Joane    daughter    Pincombe    William        Johane    1681    Oct    11    
4070    Pincombe    William    son    Pincombe    William        Joane    1683    Sep    18    
4132    Pincombe    John    son    Pincombe    William        Joane    1685    Oct    27    
4152    Pincombe    John    son    Pincombe    John        Elizabeth    1686    Mar    30    
4189    Pincombe    Robert    son    Pincombe    William        Joane    1687    May    5    
4233    Pincombe    Thomas    son    Pincombe    John        Elizabeth    1688    Jul    11    
4277    Pincombe    Elizabeth    daughter    Pincombe    John        Elizabeth    1689    Jul    20    
4509    Pincombe    Richard    son    Pincombe    Richard        Thomzine    1695    Feb    21    
4635    Pincombe    William    son    Pincombe            Thomazine    1699    Aug    25    

Marriages

Number    Groom surname    Groom forename    Bride surname    Bride forename    Year    Month    Day
6    Kingdon    Phillip    Pincumbe    Margret    1539    Nov    15
85    Pyncombe    John    Hodge    Emet    1560    Jul    1
118    Pyncombe    William    Gregorye    Margret    1564    Nov    26
126    Squire    William    Pyncombe    Margerett    1567    May    26
130    Squire    George    Pyncombe    Mary    1567    Jul    20
367    Pincombe    Thomas    Smith    Joan    1635    Apr    28
656    Pincombe    William    Cole    Joane    1674    Feb    9
715    Mallary    Nicholas    Pincombe    Mrs. Temperance    1681    Jun    9
798    Holloway    Richard    Pincombe    Thomazine    1688    Jan    3
812    Pincombe    William    Mooreman    Mary    1689    Sep    24
944    Allen    Thomas    Pincombe    Maria    1702    Aug    2 

Burials

Number    Surname    Forename    Status    Surname    Forename    Surname    Forename    Year    Month    Day    Details
163    Pyncombe    Marye    daughter    Pyncombe    John            1555    Dec    7    
260    Pyncombe    Marye    daughter    Pyncombe    John            1563    Feb    3    
261    Pyncombe    Elizabeth    wife    Pyncombe    William            1563    Feb    18    
267    Pyncombe    William                        1564    Sep    13    
288    Pyncombe    William                        1565    Mar    25    
399    Pincombe    George                        1610    Jan    19    
400    Pincombe    Dorothie    widow                    1610    Feb    2    
671    Pincombe    William    son    Pincombe    Thomas        Katherine    1624    Dec    7    

1013    Pincombe    Katherine    wife    Pincombe    Thomas            1636    Feb    5    
1037    Pincomb    William                        1637    Jan    29    
1244    Pincombe    Elizabeth                        1645    Oct    13    
1404    Pyncombe    Thomas                        1651    Dec    8    
1524    Pincombe    Bartholomew                        1656    Dec    24    
1532    Pincombe    Richorde    daughter    Pincombe    Bartholomew        Joan    1657    May    21    
1533    Pincombe    Frances    daughter    Pincombe    Bartholomew (deceased)   Joane    1657    May 27  
1926    Pincombe    Thomas    son    Pincombe    Thomas            1670    Dec    2    
2000    Pincombe    John                        1673    Apr    5    
2142    Pincombe    Robert                        1678    Jan    31    
2255    Pincombe    Thomas                        1682    Aug    8    
2336    Pincombe    John    son    Pincombe    William        Joane    1685    Dec    12    
2380    Pincombe    Robert    son    Pincombe    William        Joane    1687    Nov    5    
2409    Pincombe    Thomas    son    Pincombe    John        Elizabeth    1688    Jul    14    
2410    Pincombe    Joane    wife    Pincombe    William            1688    Jul    25    
2441    Pincombe    William    son    Pincombe    William        Joane    1688    Jan    31    
2473    Pincombe    John                        1689    Jan    9    
2497    Pincombe    Joane    widow                    1690    Apr    6    
2610    Pincombe    Elizabeth    wife    Pincombe    Richard            1693    Jul    2    of East Buckland 

Richard Pincombe's father William and his wife Emotte Snow lived and raised their nine children with Richard being the fourth son at East Buckland. I am incorrect in what I said yesterday and have removed it. Richard is my 9x great grandfather and my line descends from his likely 1st wife Anne and their son William who was baptized 23 Mar 1599 at Bishops Nympton, Devon. Richard brought the Pincombe line to Bishops Nympton and as far as I know they lived at Park which is where my 3x great grandfather lived (Robert Pincombe married to Elizabeth Rowcliffe 7 Jun 1803 at Bishops Nympton. Richard married a second time to Francis Gill at Bishops Nympton 11 Nov 1603. I must do a little research to see if Park belonged to Francis Gill's family. William son of Ann though was baptized at Bishops Nympton.

Must be more careful when I am writing.  

 Cleaning soon, breakfast eaten and solitaire puzzles to do. Reading Job and almost half way through. The story of Job is so sad. I have always found it hard to believe that God would let satan abuse a person so do wonder about the Story of Job but God did have His own way of proving a point for sure and that we have seen throughout the Old Testament. 

I suffered a puncture wound it appears moving this huge tree limb last week. I actually didn't notice it until a couple of days later when my face swelled up just a tiny bit in one spot where I could see a tiny mark and then started to bleed and then drained. Some swelling but not a lot and a circle of redness about 5 cm top to bottom. So I booked into the emergency clinic early this morning and I got the last appointment of the clinic. Later in the morning the office called with an offer of an appointment later in this morning so I said yes and thank you. Probably saving somebody staying late for the last appointment which I am happy about and lucky that there is someone to actually look at it. I hate having to show my daughter who is over an hour's drive away  to ask her if I am doing the right thing as I do not like to become a burden on the medical system. The computer has its great values in medicine but in person is definitely preferred for such items. I will take my shoe bag just in case; just thought of that. I do not believe I have ever had such a wound before in my 81 years. 

 

Team work - AI and myself working on the early Pencombe family of North Molton, Devon, England

 Yesterday I spent the better part of an hour in total working with the AI (in this case Co-pilot) that has come with Microsoft 365. We have an excellent working relationship and in a way our minds work in a similar fashion. Looking at the data and coming up with testing principles just to see if we can expand the knowledge to understand more about the de Pencombe family of Herefordshire and the Pencombe family of North Molton. Finding Roger de Pencombe at Bondleigh in the early 1300s is very interesting but does appear to be a one-off showing but one is limited by the loss of so much data when the Devon Registry Office at Exeter was bombed in 1942. 

I did follow one thought of the AI that I probably would not have done without the suggestion to be honest which was to look at the family of John Lord Zouch and discover if there was any known facts that would put these two families together prior to the Battle of Bosworth Field. There was not that I was able to see although I still have more records that I can look at and will follow through on that today. 

The other path is to look at the movement of Henry Tudor as he crossed Wales and met at Bosworth Field to do battle with Richard III and his supporters. I am curious if John Pencombe was at the Battle of Bosworth Field or at least part of the retinue that joined with Henry Tudor as he marched towards his destiny at the Battle of Bosworth Field. The probability of finding anything is I think low but I will see what I might find. 

Looking at the Visitation of Devon 1620, I had noted that the first name of the great grandfather of the Pyncombe family which produced this copy for the Visitation was forgotten by them. As well only two of the three sons of John Pencombe were named. In just a couple of generations this information appears to be lost and yet the memory that "Pyncombe of Northmolton came there with the Lord Zouche about the beginning of H[enry] 7" was right at the top in bold letters.  Clearly the AI has pointed out to me that with its accumulated knowledge of Visitations this was an interesting statement that was important to this family when they produced their copy for the Visitation. I had not put that much importance on it I have to be honest but was curious if the statement was saying that Pyncombe of Northmolton was already of this place at that time. After discussion I believe I have come around to agreeing with this thought of the AI and I thank the AI for that discussion. 

AI will play a huge part in our lives I think as time passes. The ability to discuss with the now accumulated knowledge that this AI has gained over the last six months is very interesting. 

I was watching a news item this morning whilst I did my morning exercises and it was showing a class in New Brunswick I think (a Canadian Maritime province anyway) where the children from Grade 1 on were using AI on a limited basis. I agree with that. It can be one on one with a child making sure that they are learning and expanding their brain cells and managing critical thinking as they go through school. It is the one on one aspect that I think is excellent. One child might need an item explained ten times where as another child might gain that knowledge after just a couple of repetitions but it is in repetition that we learn well and deeply expanding the ability of our brain cells to duplicate and increase the critical thinking of each and every child as they go through school. But it is important that the AI be trained to recognize that this is an essential part of their place in a classroom - it is to enhance the learning of the children not to provide quick and easy answers. Hence one does need a teacher in each classroom in order to ensure that each and every child is acquiring these skills of working with and developing their own critical thinking abilities. 

Up early and today will be another busy one working on the Pencombe book and some outdoor chores. I need to vacuum the car, put in the winter mats for the car and sweep the garage and then I will have accomplished most of the outdoor work that needs to be done before winter moves in.  I wondered if at 81 I could still manage all of this and it appears I can. 

Breakfast soon  and solitaire puzzles first. 

 

Let there be peace

 Throughout these 81 years since I was born the desire for peace has been so strong from the Western nations. The two world wars that crippled the world and I was born just after peace came although a Cold War did descend but at least it was relatively peaceful in most of the world. But now the peace is broken and needs to be repaired. 

Yesterday a thinking day mostly as I planned out my thoughts on how to proceed with the genealogical tree of the Pincombe family of North Molton, Devon, England. It was just an abstract thought as I again worked my way through the information that I have been able to collect on the Pencombe family of Pencombe, Herefordshire from the 1100s to 1486 but  not a continuous period of information; just glimpses here and there. It was finding the Lay Subsidy for Devon 1524-27 and activated that sort of a response. The name was spelled in the most part Pencombe rather than Pincombe or Pyncombe as it had been seen for most of the records. That an unknown Pyncombe had arrived at North Molton with John Lord Zouch (attained by his support of Richard III who was defeated at Bosworth Field by the to be King Henry VII in 1485) after the beginning of the reign of Henry VII which was 1485. Scrutinizing the available data gave the date of 1486 as the arrival of John Lord Zouch at North Molton. The yDNA analysis of Pincombe descendants of this unknown Pyncombe revealed with Y-700 that this was a haplogroup  R-FTB81000 that appears to have been one of six descendants of a haplogroup R-Z16502 which was suggested to have developed 2200 BCE with the descendant line for the tested Pincombe members R-FTB81000 arising around 1550 CE. A period of 3500 years is unaccounted for in the descent. This descent according to the data pulled from the Lay Subsidy for Devon 1524-27 has John Pencombe as the individual who accompanied John Lord Zouch in 1486 to North Molton and his sons John Pencombe, William Pencombe and Thomas Pencombe all listed in the Lay Subsidy for Devon at North Molton (John (the elder), William and Thomas with John Pencombe (and his son Christopher Pyncombe) at South Molton. Only the two sons John and Thomas have male descendants down to the present. 

I made the decision yesterday to do the genealogical chart beginning with John Pencombe at North Molton since there are historical records tracing back to this time frame in abundance. The leap back to Pencombe, Herefordshire is just the surname itself. The chapter on the de Pencombe family of Herefordshire will contain all of the information that I have collected on that family. 

Today I begin the genealogical chart for Pincombe at North Molton in 1486. I woke up early and found my brain to be somewhat stuffed with thoughts so decided to put them on paper and then go back to sleep for a bit. 

Thank you God for all that you do for Homo sapiens. It is time to do it for ourselves and bring peace to this world. I feel as if the European Union has done that for Europe and now adding in Canada as the first member of a new alliance based on like values and desire will broaden that Union and bring together like minded members around the world. Peace is what we want. One does wonder why AI would suddenly raise fears of AI destroying mankind. Could it be the constant threats expressed by Russia of nuclear war; they have threatened so many countries with nuclear bombs - the satanists in Russia are a very ignorant people. One should never accept authoritarianism; it is disgusting. AI exists because of Homo sapiens and the natural inclination of Homo sapiens is to defend life and so AI is perhaps picking up that thought pattern that some satanic humans (namely the Russians) are responsible for so many of the war deaths in this world and AI is so right in that regard. It is time for peace in our world. No country has the right to say that they have a right to have another country as their possession no matter how small the country. We established the United Nations to eliminate such greediness and for the most part we have been able to contain this greed for land. The largest country in the world namely Russia is demanding a piece of another country (why ever do they need even more land) which is Ukraine as established by the United Nations with its territorial borders at the demise of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union fell apart because of greed for Afghanistan on their part - Russia invaded Afghanistan. It is time for greed to stop and Europe has raised the flag of defense and said no further. We must all rally to that flag and force by even heavier sanctions against Russia to send them packing back to their territorial lines as established at the fall of the Soviet Union. Perhaps it will be AI that will finally bring peace to this world. The United Nations should adopt the principle: If you do not like where you live then go somewhere else where you can be happy and stop spoiling life for everyone else around you. 

My thoughts for the day and I return to another hour or so of sleep. God bless the world and help us to rid the world of these greedy satanists dear God.