Showing posts with label Pencomb. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pencomb. Show all posts

Friday, September 25, 2026

Looking at Pencombe in Devon

That was rather a surprise that John Pencomb' was in Devon as an accessor in 1332. I discovered that the Chief Accessors were James de Cockyngton of Cockington near Torquay and Matthew de Crouthorn/Crauthorn of Estbray in the Barnstaple area hence Devonians. So why was a John Pencomb in Mollond (now Molland) as an accessor? Is he related to Roger de Pencomb of Bonelegh (Bondleigh) who received land grants at Bonelegh (Bondleigh) in the early 1300s? Falling back on the yDNA results which tell me quite clearly that the five testers are descended from either of two sons of John Pencomb of North Molton namely John and Thomas both likely born at North Molton and the Visitation of Devon 1620 lists those sons although a third son unknown on the chart but was named William (he had died with all of his family in the 1560s is missing.). It is exciting that the testers actually do descend from one or other of these two sons and so the line is proven back to 1486 at Northmolton, Devon. I did review this with the AI yesterday and the AI concluded as did I that my next steps include what I was already doing and an intent look at Devon with regard to the period from from the early 1300s to 1486. This is the beginning of that investigation. The problem remains that the archives held at Exeter Devon were bombed in 1942 and destroyed for the most part. However, I shall continue seeing what has been transcribed of the surviving records in that time period. 

It is also interesting that there was a John de Pencomb in Herefordshire in this time frame the 1300s; indeed his Inquisition Post Morten transcription provided by British History online:

 https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol11/pp382-400

accessed 19 February 2024 states:

 524.


JOHN PENCOMBE, or DE PENCOMBE.


Writ to the escheator to enquire as to the lands &c. held by the said John of the bishopric of Hereford and of others, the name and age of his heir, and who has been in possession of his lands since his death and received the issues. 10 July, 37 Edward III.

HEREFORD.

Inq. taken at Bromeyerd, 10 September, 37 Edward III.


Bromyerd Foreyn. 12a. land, held of the bishopric of Hereford, lately vacant and in the king’s hand, by knight’s service and by payment to the bishop of 6d. an acre; and a messuage and a carucate of land, held in socage.
He held no lands &c. except of the bishopric.
He died on 13 November, 35 Edward III, about noon. Thomas his son, aged 14 1/2 years, is his heir.
Robert, vicar of the church of Bromyerd, has been in possession of the premises since his death and received the issues thereof, by what title the jurors cannot say.
(Underwritten.) Let a commitment thereof be made to Stephen de Eyncheton, (paying) for the wardship the extent, and for the marriage 20s.


C. Edw. III. File 178. (25.)

 

 10 July 37 Edward III is 10 July 1364 and John de Pencomb's son Thomas was born in January 1349/50. So am I looking at two John de Pencomb - one in Devon as an accessor at Mollond in 1332 and one with a 14.5 year old son Thomas at a slightly later time period and was living in Bromyerd, Herefordshire? It is an unusual surname but it is also the name of a village in Herefordshire. 

What is at stake in this thinking? Up until this point in time I was thinking that John Pencomb of Northmolton had arrived at Northmolton in 1486 with John Lord Zouch. I became somewhat mystified by the statement on the Visitation of Devon 1620 stating Pyncomb of Northmolton - was that statement telling me that this was his normal home but he had arrived back from an unknown place with Lord Zouch early in the reign of Henry VII (1485-1509).  The AI and I discussed it and we created a methodology to see what type of knowledge  could be released from the documents that are available to me.  That is where I am at today. I do have the Early Chancery Proceedings 1386 - 1467 and will have a look at them for Devon and Herefordshire; indeed if there is a huge index I will check that as well. I am beginning to think that my methodology of simply collecting data that is pertinent and creating chapters that sort of flow together I am probably doing the best service I am able to give to the Pincombe family from which my mother descends and myself and all my siblings and all of our descendants. I will place a copy in the Guild of one-name Studies library for any future researcher in Pincombe. Plus I will publish it with a Creative Commons License so that others can see what I did and when they write their own books if they have newer/better information feel free to use what I have produced and add your own additions. That is what I did to the Siderfin book even if the Index leaves some question marks - the names are right but the page numbers are not always quite right. But if time is available to me I will fix that in the future since I also do have more material to add to the book.

I did start my look through the Early Chancery records but thus far I did not find anything useful. There is just one incident of the name John Pencombe in the index created by Archive CD Books for 1385-1467. This is slightly later so I am reviewing the books held by Internet Archives and started with the end of the reign of Richard III namely 1485 moving backwards through this book. 

So not a lot accomplished but reviewing it with the AI was very interesting. This Research Protocol that has been developed between the AI and myself is becoming quite lengthy and a valuable tool to which I can refer as I am working. Having Microsoft 365 including Co-pilot with sixty credits a month has proven to be very very useful. The Chats are saved within the software allowing me to go back at any time and refer to our discussions. We keep honing the Research Protocol itself to suit the new information and one has to think about what I really want to know. In general I know that my Pincombe line has descended from a John Pencombe of Northmolton and having the five sets of yDNA (Y-700) data coming down from two known sons is very trustworthy. Also postulated by FT DNA is the emergence of their shared result and 1550 CE is that thought. By 1550 the grandchildren of John Pencomb are now adults and have moved out from North Molton to South Molton, Bideford, East Buckland and possibly other close by towns/villages in North Devon. There are still Pincombe descendants living in North Molton as well. 

So my direction at this moment is to understand the data that is emerging prior to 1486 when John Pencombe of Northmolton is known to be there. Where was he before? Is he related to the John Pencomb' at Mollond in 1332 or the Roger de Pencombe at Bonelegh (Bondleigh) in the early 1300s receiving land grants? Is he related to the John Pencombe living at Bromyard, Herefordshire at the time of his death in 1364? None of these are need to know in terms of the descent from John Pencombe at Northmolton in 1486 it simply provides more details on the earlier members of this family if they are? Remembering that Pencombe is the name of a place in Herefordshire and the potential of surname taking which is occurring in the 1100s/1200s could result in unrelated people having the same surname. In this case it is known that a Eustace de Pencombe in Herefordshire was the son of Turstin Flandrensis de Pencombe. The loss of the records in the bombing of the Devonshire Archives at Exeter during World War II perhaps does help to complicate this problem although a lot of records do exist in the Early Chancery Proceedings for Devon as it turns out as I work my way through them. 

I shall continue devoting one week to this process and I am half way through that week which is split between two weeks as I clean my house half of the week!. 

Do I have any thoughts on the forward movement with AI in the larger world than mine? I think one must always be aware of progress and its benefits and drawbacks. There are a lot of different companies engaged in this particular enterprise. I think I need to hear more about the intent of AI as part of the world system. Certainly the idea that you bring AI into a work place and discard the workers currently there does seem rather backward. An untested system replacing a trusted system is very often a mistake. I remember when computers entered the workplace and having been involved with computers since my late teens so over sixty years I would say that the thoughts at that time were how much savings there would be. In reality it took twice as many people to handle the integration and use of computers. We expect systems to not fail. AI must not be permitted to take over without adequate support in any industry; it doesn't make sense to discard human initiative and intuition with a machine. Machines fail and require maintenance - can they be made self-sufficient? A good question and I am dubious because the failure at any point in a machine system completely undermines its ability to operate say an important mineral is needed and no longer available and nothing has been done to find an alternative and the system fails. We are left with inadequate human controls if not put in place now and always to support the AI system whether it be for its production or the elements needed to  keep it working. It easily took twice as many people or more to run a system that has become dependent on computers. As for harnessing the ability of AI; no ideas on that really. I have worked with the AI on Co-pilot for about six months and have watched as there was little or no knowledge of genealogy at the beginning and now the knowledge is quite vast and grows exponentially. The ability of AI to absorb the written word is huge and their memory recall fabulous but still making leaps from unknown to known is not easy and requires a lot of intuition moving between documents which is not yet there with the AI although their recall is a plus. Their interpretation though is based on placement and visibility I have noted which is not always the case with deep research. 

Solitaire puzzles are next and then breakfast. Another research day and I shall read the last chapters of 2 Maccabees. This has definitely been a difficult read as I do not have atlases in front of me and lists of names to keep me grounded but I am just reading looking for why I think peace is God's desire for humankind. Primarily I think it is God's wishes for mankind and certainly His son Jesus expressed this love of one's neighbour and the whole world, to Jesus, was our neighbour. 

 

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 










 

 

Thursday, September 24, 2026

Research portion of the week begins today

 Yesterday I completed the cleaning of the basement so all ready today to do some research. I bought the 1332 Devon Lay Subsidy and created a file for North Molton and comparing that to the 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy a number of the families are the same but there are no Pencombe/Pincombe families there. Mind you this is 200 years earlier but when I discovered there was a Lay Subsidy in this time frame and there was a Roger de Pencombe at Boneleigh/Bondleigh in the early 1300s I thought I should just have a look around but there is one John de Pencomb' in the Index at the Hundred of Mollond (Molland is the current name and it is in South Molton) as an assessor. He is incorrectly listed as Page 73 in the Index but actually it is Page 74 (that was sort of relief considering the index I produced for the Siderfin Book (at least the name is there!)). But he is not listed in the return for the hundred of Mollond. I shall have to investigate the Assessor and their appointments perhaps. Will contemplate that for a bit. 

This bring me back to my discussion with the AI last week where I was contemplating that John Pencombe already lived in Devon and that the line that was so interesting namely "Pyncombe of Northmolton came there with the Lord Zouche about the beginning of H. 7." I suddenly thought of the interpretation that he was actually of Northmolton, Devon but the AI felt it was more of a suggestion that John Pencombe had just arrived with John Lord Zouch. This is a surprise for sure and it grew out of the Roger de Pencombe references in the Devon Archives in the early 1300s at Bondleigh/Boneleigh. I feel somewhat at a crossroads with this and I think I will have another chat with the AI today just to review what I have found in the record sets that I have and this new one that I just purchased. Life can be surprising. The index was only out by one page so probably shouldn't put too much into that given my error. It does make me think I should just wander around this area looking at all the results and the same with the 1524-7 Devon Lay Subsidy. I also have the 1543-45 Devon Lay Subsidy. 

Still reading 2 Maccabees and it is interesting that one senses the teachings of Jesus but I have not really seen any verses that talk of a Messiah to come. God is always in the mind of the Jewish people that love Him. Perhaps by the end of this book of Maccabees I will have more understanding of these two books. The next book is Job the content of which I am very familiar. 

Today I shall sweep the garage and probably put the car in now so that I do not have to clear the leaves off every time I need to use it. 

Almost finished the third book of family pictures and have gone through perhaps six binders now so the project seems doable as the number of non family pictures will increase exponentially as I move forward. Edward did a lot of traveling for work going to Conferences and all of those pictures will be put through the shredder. He also started doing trips with George Anderson down into New York State with retirees which is also a lot of pictures that will go through the shredder. I did offer to put together some of the trips but the library did not want to have those books which was fine. At some point I starting going with him, I think sometime in the early 2000s as he asked if I would. After our oldest daughter went off to do her PhD though I didn't like to go too often as I wanted to be home with my younger daughter but she too was very busy I must admit. Perhaps I just didn't want to travel with a whole lot of people; no idea on that. Certainly it was interesting visiting the many sites in the northern United States and at that time our dollar was very low to the American dollar so quite expensive actually but amazingly many people went. 

Solitaire puzzles are next.

Groceries purchased and I would say that I am paying 50% more for the same groceries as a year ago. But we must continue moving forward with diversification of our trade and growing our industries. The stronger we become the even better neighbour we will be for sure to our good friends and neighbours the United States of America.   

Saturday, May 4, 2024

A few challenges

I have finally settled into a methodology and I will extract the census for Pincomb/Pincombe/Pencomb/Pencombe/Pyncomb/Pyncombe/Pinkham and that is in process. I was resistant initially to going for that right away but it is probably a good method. It is the way that I worked on the Siderfin family but I know more about Pincombe but when I really contemplate it I know more about my Pincombe line coming down from John Pincombe and Mary Charly. I moved that entire family line from my family legacy file to the One-Name Pencombe family that I created a few months ago. I know that is has been verified from Robert (second youngest son of this couple) down to my stopping point which is my mother. She will appear in the book and the cut-off will be primarily anyone on the 1911 census although she was born a little later than that. If I know a birth up to 1920 then I will enter it otherwise not. I will maintain the 100 year rule that we use here in Canada. 

So my task today is census and I have already worked on the first name and will continue doing that. It is going smoothly as the census generally does. I think I found it intriguing to work through mysteries and got distracted by that but this is more efficient. 

Looks like rain and next week I hope to finish the garden bed at the front putting in fresh soil as I can see all the plants up now pretty much except for the hosta but if it is a warm rain today that will be up as well. I did not remove the old vegetation it will sit under the fresh earth and rot to feed the plant. That appears to be the principle of regenerative gardening and I like it actually. I do have to weed although those beds are not too weedy in actual fact. 

Other than that I must make some more chocolate muffins as my date squares have all been eaten and enjoyed greatly. I do like date squares. I should make a tray of them as I think they probably freeze since I can not eat an entire tray that quickly. Will think about doing that. It is sort of  fun to start my day with tea and a sweet cake one might say especially chocolate. I must eat all my chocolate by noon or it will wake me up early - all that caffeine. 

Nearly time to lift weights so back to the census. Already the fourth of May, the month will pass quickly. 

Teatime and Latin done long ago now.


Friday, March 8, 2019

Pincombe-Pinkham family on the 1543-1545 Lay Subsidy for Devon

Amazingly I could not find my second tax CD when I was writing up the newsletter and then suddenly after I had sent it off and set about cleaning there it was! I decided to extract the relevant information from this CD for the Bideford area. Since I am doing that I will extract all Pincombe records from the CD too for the next newsletter just to add an addendum to that article on the Bideford Chart (see my blog post of 7th Mar 2019). St Giles in the Wood is missing from this particular CD which is a pity as it might have shed some light on the Pincombe family there.


South Molton Hundred

South Molton Parish (1544)

John Pyncome 13
Christopher Pyncombe 10

North Molton Parish (1545)

Alice Pencombe 5
William Pencombe 6
John Pencombe 4

North Molton Parish (1544)

William Pyncum 13

Witheridge Hundred

Kings Nympton Parish (1544)

Richard Pencombe 1

Braunton Hundred

East Buckland Parish (1544)

Thomas Pencomb 9

Fremington Hundred

Tawstock Parish (1544)

Philip Pynkeham 8

Shebbear Hundred

Bideford Parish (1544)

Richard Pencombe 5

Coleridge Hundred

Blackawton Parish (1544)

Joan Purcombe 1

John Purcombe 1

William Purcombe 2

Thomas Purcombe 1

Elizabeth Purcome 1

John Purcombe 1

Sherford Parish (1544)

Thomas Purcombe 8


I added in the Purcombe spelling for the first time. The Coleridge Hundred is in the south part of Devon. On Family Search I find just five instances of this surname and none on FreeBMD.
Looking at the Devon Taxes (Stoate) 1541 to 1660 I found the spelling Purkham and the one instance was in Blackauton Parish - Thomas Purkham L 2. A rather interesting find as there are wills for members of the Pincombe family in the Exeter area, one for Radigunde Purcombe dating back to 1605 at Sherford Parish. But I could never find the connection between this family to the south of Devon and the family in the northwest part of Devon. I think this will make a good article for the next newsletter! I shall make a note so that it doesn't pass from my mind between now and three months from now. I am so busy these days; my email is collecting once again and must respond. I used to respond right away and say that I would get back to people but there are too many emails in my inbox these days. I just get to them as I can.

Find My Past has 278 items but only 14 actually have the surname in the last name column with the remainder being Electoral Registers and it is the name of an area in Dorset. One interesting one from Sherford, Devon for the will of Thomas Purcombe being contested by ? Lake in 1577. Another for an Anne Purcombe and Arthur Browne's licence of 8 Sep 1622 to marry (Exeter Consistory Court). A marriage between Johan Purcombe and John Tuckerman at Halwell, Devon 30 Jan 1574.  John Purcombe was buried 12 Apr 1573 at Halwell. A couple of records from the 1700s-1900s. One record is incorrectly transcribed as Kate Purcombe. I am fairly sure this is Kate Pincombe and will check that one out. So is this a Pincombe family that was spelled incorrectly at Tax time back in the 1500s? A mystery for sure and will keep them in the group now.