Principally I purchased the Parish Registers of North Molton to look at the Pincombe family there especially given that these registers go back to 1539. I expected to find quite a few entries for the Pincombe family in the 1500s and was somewhat incorrect in that regard. However I did find some entries. At the end of 1568 I now have transcribed 645 baptisms, 140 marriages and 307 burials. The burials are a surprise really as I have found with most other parishes that I have transcribed that the baptisms and burials were much more equal.
Looking at the Pincombe family -
Baptisms:
Pyncombe Agnes daughter Pyncombe William 1543 June 6
Pyncombe Mary daughter Pyncombe William 1547 Dec 8
Pyncombe Marye daughter Pymcombe John 1555 July 8
Pyncombe Marye daughter Pyncombe John 1555 Feb 3
Pyncombe Johane daughter Pyncombe John 1561 Apr 5
Pyncombe Marye daughter Pyncombe John 1563 Jan 18
Marriages:
Kingdon Phillip Pincumbe Margret 1539 Nov 15
Pyncombe John Hodge Emet 1560 Jul 1
Locke William Pyncombe Ales 1561 Nov 29
Pyncombe William Gregorye Margret 1564 Nov 26
Squire William Pyncombe Margerett 1567 May 26
Squire George Pyncombe Mary 1567 Jul 20
Burials:
Pyncombe Marye daughter Pyncombe John 1555 Dec 7
Pyncombe Marye daughter Pyncombe John 1563 Feb 3
Pyncombe Elizabeth wife Pyncombe William 1563 Feb 18
Pyncombe William 1564 Sep 13
Pyncombe William 1565 Mar 25
The results thus far from the North Molton Parish Register continue to encourage me to see that there were other lines of Pincombe at North Molton than what is accounted for in the Visitations. The baptisms of two Maryes in 1555 (one was buried before the other was baptized) and they are listed as daughters of John. This may or may not be John Pincombe son of William Pincombe married to Emotte Snowe as Johane Pencombe in her will mentions her son John with one daughter and Johane was already born as the daughter of John Pincombe and Emot Hodge who married in 1560. It is always possible that he was married twice and both daughters died and there is the death of a daughter Mary 3 Feb 1563 but the will of Johane Pencombe was dated 7 May 1563 and since this is old style February follows May instead of preceding it.
The marriages include Margaret Pincombe marrying in 1539, Alice Pincombe marrying in 1561, Margaret Pincombe marrying in 1567 and Mary Pincombe marrying in 1567. From the will of John Pincombe the elder (dated 25 Jul 1604 and found in my blog 4 Aug 2011) we know that he had two daughters Alice married to Roger Webber and Agnes married to unknown Selye so I am able to eliminate these two as being one of the marriages in the North Molton Parish Register.
In the will of Johane Pencombe she names her two son in laws (see my blog 31 Jul 2011) as John Locke and John Jasse. Well the marriages lines for Ales Pyncombe read William Lock as her husband. There are no children mentioned for the Locke marriage and only one child for the Jasse marriage. As well this family lived at East Buckland which also had a Church but the Parish Registers do not begin until later in to 1600s.
The William Pincombe who marries Margret Gregorye 26 Nov 1564 is he a widower? The marriage lines do not yield that information. There is a William Pincombe who has buried a wife Elizabeth 18 Feb 1563. Is he the father of Agnes baptized 1543 and Mary baptized 1547? Is he the William buried 25 Mar 1565 and who is the William buried 13 Sep 1564? William becomes a fairly common name in the Pincombe family but there isn't a William mentioned in the Visitations until the third generation and this William baptizing children in the 1540s at North Molton would have had to be in the 2nd generation. The Mary who married George Squire 20 Jul 1567 could be Mary daughter of William Pincombe baptized 8 Dec 1547. Perhaps that would have William himself born around 1515 +/- 5 years since there was a daughter Agnes baptized to William Pincombe at North Molton in 1543. Another interesting fact is that both John (one of them) and Thomas Pincombe named a son William. There isn't a William Pincombe baptized at North Molton up to 1568.
Why two burials for William Pincombe? Was there a son William born and baptized elsewhere and then the father William was buried in 1565?
Who is Margaret Pincombe who married PhilipKingdon 15 Nov 1539. Her birth would also have been in the 1515 +/- 5 range. Was she a sister to Thomas, John and John Pincombe known sons of the unknown Pincombe who came to North Molton in 1485 (by the Visitation of Devon).
A lot of questions from this first few years of Parish Registers at North Molton.
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Monday, August 29, 2011
Sunday, July 31, 2011
Will of Johanne Pencombe - widow of East Buckland, Devon - PROB 11/76 - Image reference 242/207
Since I have only read the many Pincombe wills and have not transcribed them I decided that I would spend a little time working on the transcriptions. The will of Johanne Pencombe was written 7 May 1563 and she states that she is a widow of East Buckland (Devon) and lists her sons and sons in law. The sons are William, Richard and John and the sons in law are John Locke and John Jasse. The 1620 Visitation of Devon ( The visitation of the county of Devon in the year 1620, ed. by Frederic Thomas Colby, published 1872, London, UK by the Harlein Society, Publication, Volume 6, page 250) Thomas Pyncombe of Filleigh and East Buckland had a son William who married Emotte Snowe and they had nine children mentioned in yesterday's will transcription. no siblings are mentioned in the Visitation for William. Trying to give this somewhat of a date line William wrote his will in 1602 and it was probated 1605. He mentions grandchildren so is not that young but could one say that he might be as old as 70; his wife Emotte left a will (destroyed in the WWII bombing of Exeter) dated 1620. Thinking that through was he likely closer to 50 when he died which would yield late 1540s and early 1550s as his birth date? Emotte however had a brother William whose daughter Honor married in 1570. Could it be that Emotte perhaps lived to be quite elderly; perhaps as much as 90 years? The East Buckland Parish Registers do not commence until 1684 so are too late to help me with any such decisions. If one thought that Emotte was quite elderly when she died in 1620, then William could have been 70 in 1605 and born n the mid 1530s.
Enter the will of Johanne Pencombe date 1563 in which she mentions her sons William, John and Richard and sons in law John Locke and John Jasse plus she mentions grandchildren to whom she is giving each a heifer. Johane is not young when she dies. She could though be in her 50s rather than older which would place her birth around 1500 - 1510. A son born in the mid 1530s that is her oldest (since he is executor of her will) sounds plausible or he could have been born earlier and she later. But the time frame is interesting. Her husband could be Thomas Pyncombe who lived at Filleigh and died at East Buckland. This Thomas is said to be a son of the Pyncombe that accompanied Lord Zouch to North Molton in 1485. This unknown Pyncombe is said to have three sons - two named John and one named Thomas. Looking at the subsidies paid by the Pyncombe family in the 1500s and 1600s I am tempted to believe that there were actually two sons who came with the original Pyncombe and they had the three sons mentioned above. The time frame suggests that all the Pincombes listed would have needed to have parents older than the Visitation chart suggests (a generation appears to be missing) to satisfy the following information gleaned from Genuki where there is an index prepared by a number of transcribers of Beckerlegge, J.J. (Ed.). Index of the Wills and Administrations relating to the County of Devon proved in the Court of the Archdeaconry of Barnstaple, 1563-1858 (5 vols.) and these wills were held at the Devon Record Office (and fortunately prepared before they were destroyed in WWII bombing). The two wills that I have posted the last two days will not be in this list because they were probated at London. Noting the different spelling of the name between Bideford and North Molton Pynckham and Pyncombe. The name is pronounced "pink um" which is the other spelling commonly found at this time along with Pincombe but both are pronounced the same although when I was a child I usually heard it pronounced as "Pin cumb" but I grew up in London, Ontario, Canada and 100 years nearly after my 2x great grandfather had arrived in Canada. The yDNA of descendants of each of these two family lines at 25 markers is 22/25 - but does it prove a relationship. That remains to be seen.
Pyncombe William North Molton DEV 1567
Pynckham William Bideford DEV 1570
Pincombe Edith Tawstock DEV widow 1572
Pyncombe Peternell North Molton DEV 1591
Pincombe Richard Bideford DEV 1592
Pyncombe Edward Tawstock DEV 1594
Pyncombe Anthony Warkleigh DEV 1596
Pinckomb North Molton DEV 1610
Pinckombe North Molton DEV 1610
Pynckomb South Molton DEV 1614
Pynckomb North Molton DEV 1615
Pynckomb John Barum [Barnstaple] DEV 1616
Pyncombe Emot East Buckland DEV 1620
Pyncombe Peter Bideford DEV 1622
Pyncombe George North Molton DEV 1624
Pyncombe John Molland DEV 1625
Pyncombe Lodovic West Buckland DEV 1625
Pyncombe Joan Yarnscombe DEV 1628
Pyncombe Ann South Molton DEV 1630
Pyncombe Philip Bideford DEV 1632
Pyncombe Amia Molland DEV 1636
Pyncombe William Alwington DEV 1637
Pyncombe William Alwington DEV 1637
Pyncombe Mary Molland DEV 1637
Pincombe William Bideford DEV 1641
Pyncomb Henry South Molton DEV 1644
Pincomb Anthony Ashreigney DEV 1662
Pincomb Mary Buckland Filleigh DEV 1662
Pincomb Thomas Bideford DEV 1663
All of these wills were probated at Barnstaple. When I discovered this online I had to rethink my Pincombe line in the late 1400s to the early 1600s. There were too many people leaving wills. I had originally postulated that William (d. 1605)'s seven sons had been the progenitors of these many lines but there are too many wills in the 1500s for that to be true.
I now postulate that there is a generation missing on the Visitation between Thomas Pyncombe of Filleigh and East Buckland and the unknown Pyncombe who lived at North Molton and had arrived circa 1485 in the company of Lord Zouch. Why would this unknown Pyncombe name two of his sons John? This isn't unheard of actually as I have instances in the Blake family in this time period when sons were called John the Elder and John the Younger; Robert the elder and Robert the younger. They appear to have the same mother so not a second family. However, the number of wills left in the 1500s by Pincombes makes this seem less likely. The charts that I have from an earlier group that studied the Pincombe family certainly has some interesting "heads" of Pincombe families in the areas mentioned above. They did not attempt to link them back to the Pincombe in 1485 at North Molton. Rather they begin suddenly in the early to mid 1500s.
The will of Johanne Pencombe for anyone interested is below, I have included the probate as well to show that William did assume responsibility for his mother's will :
Recorded: 30 July 2011
Source: Public Record Office, London, UK, PROB 11/76 - Image reference 242/207
Place: East Buckland, Devon, England
Type of Record: Will
Dated: 7 May 1563
Condition: photocopy, bold, old English writing
[In margin] T[estator] Johanne Pencombe
1 In the name of God, Amen. In the yeare
2 of our Lord God one thousand fyve hundred sixtie three and in the seaventh daie
3 of Maye That I Johane Pencombe widdowe of Est Buckland beinge of whole mynde
4 and in good remembrance (lauded be god) make and ordaine this my last will and
5 testament in this manner and forme followinge First I bequeathe my soule unto
6 allmightie God and my bodie to be buried in the Churche of Est Buckland there Item
7 I bequeath unto Richard Pencombe my sonne twentie poundes And to his sonne a
8 heafer of three yeares of age. Item I bequeath to John Locke my sonne in Law nyne
9 poundes. Item I bequeath to John Pencombe my sonne nyne poundes And to his
10 daughter a heafer. Item I bequeath to John Jasse my sonne in Lawe nyne poundes
11 Item I bequeath to John Jasse the younger six poundes thirteene shillings four pence
12 Item to Anne Takle twentie shillings Item to Amye Rolle six shillings eight pence
13 Item to Roberte Hollaniore a yearlinge Item to Thomas Hichton a ewe. Item to everie
14 of my Children's Children five shillinges eight pence. Item unto every of my godchildren
15 twelve pence apeece. Item to the poore twentie shillings. The residue of all my goodes
16 and everie parte thereof as well moveable as unmoveable not gyven nor bequeathed I give
17 and bequeath unto William Pencombe my sonne whome I make my executor and he to
18 bestowe it as he seemeth best And alsoe I devise and ordaine Sir John Taye John Hartill
19 and Richard Lympstable to be my overseers and wittnesses of this my last will and Testament
21 Probatum fuit Testamentum
22 Suprascriptum apud London coram venerabili, viro mag[ist]ro Will[iel]mo Levin Legium
23 Doctore ad exercend officium magisteri custodis sive Comissarii Curie Prerogative
24 Cant ltime deputat vicesimo tertio die mensis Octobris Anno Domini millesimo quin
25 Nonagesimo Juramento Thome Redman notary public procuratoris Willi[a]m Pencombe filii of
26 Executoris in h[uius]mo[d]i testamento nominat Qui commissa fuit administerato bonorum iurium et creditorum
27 Dicti defuncti de bene et fideliter administerand ad sancta dei Evangelia Jurat
Is this William married to Emotte Snow? No children are mentioned for William; no gifts as mentioned to the other grandchildren. Richard (my ancestor) was their fourth son (some could have died and been lost to time though; I keep remembering that). This will actually supports my idea that they married in the latter part of the 1560s rather than early on. William could be the youngest son as well and has remained at East Buckland to manage their farm there which is located at Filleigh. Filleigh is close to East Buckland having driven those roads a few years ago. It is a quick five minutes from East Buckland Church to Filleigh by car. I did not find a gravestone for any Pincombes at East Buckland but I also didn't find anything that old there. Either the Church has sunk or the ground has filled in around the Church as it sits in somewhat of a hollow. Or did they do it on purpose to protect it. The outside of the Church is very very old and I will add a picture to this blog. The inside at first glance strikes you as very fresh and modern looking except as you look about you realize that the wood is incredibly old but the condition of the Church is amazing for such an old building.
St Michael's Church, East Buckland (22 Apr 2008)
The interior of St Michael's Church, East Buckland (22 Apr 2008)
We had traveled a basically one lane road (with laybys periodically) through West Buckland and into East Buckland and the road was bordered with hedges about 14 feet high. We then continued on the road going south east towards South Molton and passed Filleigh on the way a distance of about 2 miles from East Buckland. Westcott is at Filleigh and was mentioned in William's will.
This will is dated 7 May 1563 but in the catalogue listing it is dated 23 October 1590 and the Probate note attached to the will does give this date as the date of probate. Why ever a will would be held for 27 years is amazing really and why do it in 1590? I wonder what the reason was for the late probate. Was it because of a sudden realization on the part of the Executor that it exceeded the limit for the Diocese to probate?
Enter the will of Johanne Pencombe date 1563 in which she mentions her sons William, John and Richard and sons in law John Locke and John Jasse plus she mentions grandchildren to whom she is giving each a heifer. Johane is not young when she dies. She could though be in her 50s rather than older which would place her birth around 1500 - 1510. A son born in the mid 1530s that is her oldest (since he is executor of her will) sounds plausible or he could have been born earlier and she later. But the time frame is interesting. Her husband could be Thomas Pyncombe who lived at Filleigh and died at East Buckland. This Thomas is said to be a son of the Pyncombe that accompanied Lord Zouch to North Molton in 1485. This unknown Pyncombe is said to have three sons - two named John and one named Thomas. Looking at the subsidies paid by the Pyncombe family in the 1500s and 1600s I am tempted to believe that there were actually two sons who came with the original Pyncombe and they had the three sons mentioned above. The time frame suggests that all the Pincombes listed would have needed to have parents older than the Visitation chart suggests (a generation appears to be missing) to satisfy the following information gleaned from Genuki where there is an index prepared by a number of transcribers of Beckerlegge, J.J. (Ed.). Index of the Wills and Administrations relating to the County of Devon proved in the Court of the Archdeaconry of Barnstaple, 1563-1858 (5 vols.) and these wills were held at the Devon Record Office (and fortunately prepared before they were destroyed in WWII bombing). The two wills that I have posted the last two days will not be in this list because they were probated at London. Noting the different spelling of the name between Bideford and North Molton Pynckham and Pyncombe. The name is pronounced "pink um" which is the other spelling commonly found at this time along with Pincombe but both are pronounced the same although when I was a child I usually heard it pronounced as "Pin cumb" but I grew up in London, Ontario, Canada and 100 years nearly after my 2x great grandfather had arrived in Canada. The yDNA of descendants of each of these two family lines at 25 markers is 22/25 - but does it prove a relationship. That remains to be seen.
Pyncombe William North Molton DEV 1567
Pynckham William Bideford DEV 1570
Pincombe Edith Tawstock DEV widow 1572
Pyncombe Peternell North Molton DEV 1591
Pincombe Richard Bideford DEV 1592
Pyncombe Edward Tawstock DEV 1594
Pyncombe Anthony Warkleigh DEV 1596
Pinckomb North Molton DEV 1610
Pinckombe North Molton DEV 1610
Pynckomb South Molton DEV 1614
Pynckomb North Molton DEV 1615
Pynckomb John Barum [Barnstaple] DEV 1616
Pyncombe Emot East Buckland DEV 1620
Pyncombe Peter Bideford DEV 1622
Pyncombe George North Molton DEV 1624
Pyncombe John Molland DEV 1625
Pyncombe Lodovic West Buckland DEV 1625
Pyncombe Joan Yarnscombe DEV 1628
Pyncombe Ann South Molton DEV 1630
Pyncombe Philip Bideford DEV 1632
Pyncombe Amia Molland DEV 1636
Pyncombe William Alwington DEV 1637
Pyncombe William Alwington DEV 1637
Pyncombe Mary Molland DEV 1637
Pincombe William Bideford DEV 1641
Pyncomb Henry South Molton DEV 1644
Pincomb Anthony Ashreigney DEV 1662
Pincomb Mary Buckland Filleigh DEV 1662
Pincomb Thomas Bideford DEV 1663
All of these wills were probated at Barnstaple. When I discovered this online I had to rethink my Pincombe line in the late 1400s to the early 1600s. There were too many people leaving wills. I had originally postulated that William (d. 1605)'s seven sons had been the progenitors of these many lines but there are too many wills in the 1500s for that to be true.
I now postulate that there is a generation missing on the Visitation between Thomas Pyncombe of Filleigh and East Buckland and the unknown Pyncombe who lived at North Molton and had arrived circa 1485 in the company of Lord Zouch. Why would this unknown Pyncombe name two of his sons John? This isn't unheard of actually as I have instances in the Blake family in this time period when sons were called John the Elder and John the Younger; Robert the elder and Robert the younger. They appear to have the same mother so not a second family. However, the number of wills left in the 1500s by Pincombes makes this seem less likely. The charts that I have from an earlier group that studied the Pincombe family certainly has some interesting "heads" of Pincombe families in the areas mentioned above. They did not attempt to link them back to the Pincombe in 1485 at North Molton. Rather they begin suddenly in the early to mid 1500s.
The will of Johanne Pencombe for anyone interested is below, I have included the probate as well to show that William did assume responsibility for his mother's will :
Recorded: 30 July 2011
Source: Public Record Office, London, UK, PROB 11/76 - Image reference 242/207
Place: East Buckland, Devon, England
Type of Record: Will
Dated: 7 May 1563
Condition: photocopy, bold, old English writing
[In margin] T[estator] Johanne Pencombe
1 In the name of God, Amen. In the yeare
2 of our Lord God one thousand fyve hundred sixtie three and in the seaventh daie
3 of Maye That I Johane Pencombe widdowe of Est Buckland beinge of whole mynde
4 and in good remembrance (lauded be god) make and ordaine this my last will and
5 testament in this manner and forme followinge First I bequeathe my soule unto
6 allmightie God and my bodie to be buried in the Churche of Est Buckland there Item
7 I bequeath unto Richard Pencombe my sonne twentie poundes And to his sonne a
8 heafer of three yeares of age. Item I bequeath to John Locke my sonne in Law nyne
9 poundes. Item I bequeath to John Pencombe my sonne nyne poundes And to his
10 daughter a heafer. Item I bequeath to John Jasse my sonne in Lawe nyne poundes
11 Item I bequeath to John Jasse the younger six poundes thirteene shillings four pence
12 Item to Anne Takle twentie shillings Item to Amye Rolle six shillings eight pence
13 Item to Roberte Hollaniore a yearlinge Item to Thomas Hichton a ewe. Item to everie
14 of my Children's Children five shillinges eight pence. Item unto every of my godchildren
15 twelve pence apeece. Item to the poore twentie shillings. The residue of all my goodes
16 and everie parte thereof as well moveable as unmoveable not gyven nor bequeathed I give
17 and bequeath unto William Pencombe my sonne whome I make my executor and he to
18 bestowe it as he seemeth best And alsoe I devise and ordaine Sir John Taye John Hartill
19 and Richard Lympstable to be my overseers and wittnesses of this my last will and Testament
21 Probatum fuit Testamentum
22 Suprascriptum apud London coram venerabili, viro mag[ist]ro Will[iel]mo Levin Legium
23 Doctore ad exercend officium magisteri custodis sive Comissarii Curie Prerogative
24 Cant ltime deputat vicesimo tertio die mensis Octobris Anno Domini millesimo quin
25 Nonagesimo Juramento Thome Redman notary public procuratoris Willi[a]m Pencombe filii of
26 Executoris in h[uius]mo[d]i testamento nominat Qui commissa fuit administerato bonorum iurium et creditorum
27 Dicti defuncti de bene et fideliter administerand ad sancta dei Evangelia Jurat
Is this William married to Emotte Snow? No children are mentioned for William; no gifts as mentioned to the other grandchildren. Richard (my ancestor) was their fourth son (some could have died and been lost to time though; I keep remembering that). This will actually supports my idea that they married in the latter part of the 1560s rather than early on. William could be the youngest son as well and has remained at East Buckland to manage their farm there which is located at Filleigh. Filleigh is close to East Buckland having driven those roads a few years ago. It is a quick five minutes from East Buckland Church to Filleigh by car. I did not find a gravestone for any Pincombes at East Buckland but I also didn't find anything that old there. Either the Church has sunk or the ground has filled in around the Church as it sits in somewhat of a hollow. Or did they do it on purpose to protect it. The outside of the Church is very very old and I will add a picture to this blog. The inside at first glance strikes you as very fresh and modern looking except as you look about you realize that the wood is incredibly old but the condition of the Church is amazing for such an old building.
St Michael's Church, East Buckland (22 Apr 2008)
The interior of St Michael's Church, East Buckland (22 Apr 2008)
We had traveled a basically one lane road (with laybys periodically) through West Buckland and into East Buckland and the road was bordered with hedges about 14 feet high. We then continued on the road going south east towards South Molton and passed Filleigh on the way a distance of about 2 miles from East Buckland. Westcott is at Filleigh and was mentioned in William's will.
This will is dated 7 May 1563 but in the catalogue listing it is dated 23 October 1590 and the Probate note attached to the will does give this date as the date of probate. Why ever a will would be held for 27 years is amazing really and why do it in 1590? I wonder what the reason was for the late probate. Was it because of a sudden realization on the part of the Executor that it exceeded the limit for the Diocese to probate?
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