The last 30 emails have finally been reached. They all need a response of one sort or another. They range from 2017 to 2019 although most are 2019. They have all had a preliminary response (mostly I will get back to you when I get a chance) but each one require me to work through one of my descendant lines.
It will be nice to be finished. I would like to get back to the Blake wills. I also want to get back to writing up the children of my 2x great grandparents John Blake and Ann Farmer. I am working on child # 4 of 10 children. One is written up, my great grandfather, and three of them have smaller families but three of them had quite large families so will take some time to finish them and move on to Samuel Knight and Louisa Butt, the parents of my great grandmother Blake. A woman described to me by my father as being a very warm person with long blond hair braided and wrapped around her hair like a crown he used to say. I have a picture of her with her hair arranged that way. He loved going to see her in Goodworth Clatford where they lived when he was young. His grandfather was strict and he had to always mind him but his grandmother adored him he said.
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Wednesday, November 27, 2019
Monday, January 5, 2015
John Coleman (1737-1780)
52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 1
Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, unknown, Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, Durnford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Ann (unknown), Sherwood, unknown, Habberfield, Collings, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Canham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown
I decided to take on the 52 Ancestor Challenge this year. Monday was to be my day to look at my 4x great grandparents (all of whom are listed above as I know them with doubt for the last section from Woodcock to the last unknown). In total there are more than 52 names listed but I will only pick the ones for whom I have information and am fairly sure of my ancestry.
John Coleman, one of my 4x great grandfathers (we have 32 4x great grandfathers in total), was baptized 13 Feb 1737 at Upper Clatford. The priest has noted that he is the son of Clement Coleman and Dinah Bever. I am unable to find their marriage at Upper Clatford or in the surrounding areas but I do not have all the registers for this area. In total this couple baptized 8 children at Upper Clatford between 1737 and 1751. Two of these children died of measles in 1756.
John Coleman married Elizabeth Pearce 7 Oct 1771 at Abbots Ann. Elizabeth will be one of the 52 ancestors so will not write too much about her other than to say that they have two children baptized at Abbots Ann. Since John Coleman's parents and grandparents before them ran an Inn at Goodworth Clatford and the Pearce family were involved in running Inns at Abbots Ann my suspicion is that they were involved in running an Inn at Abbots Ann but I have not yet found any record of licenses there as I have at Goodworth Clatford. John died young at the age of 43 when his children were just seven and five years of age. He was buried at Upper Clatford (was there a Coleman family plot there?). I have not yet determined that but both of his parents were buried at Upper Clatford - his father Clement 8 Feb 1753 and his mother Dinah 7 May 1783.
My ancestry including John Coleman:
1. Elizabeth KIPP
2. Ernest Edward George BLAKE (b 20 Aug 1904) - Eastleigh Hampshire England
3. Samuel George Blake (b 10 Feb 1875) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
4. Edward Blake (b 2 Jan 1845) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
5. John BLAKE (b 25 Feb 1799) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
6. Sarah COLEMAN (b 15 Jun 1773) - Abbotts Ann Hampshire England
7. John COLEMAN (b 13 Feb 1737) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
8. Clement COLEMAN (b 25 Oct 1704) - Goodworth Clatford Hampshire England
9. Clement COLLMAN
Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, unknown, Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, Durnford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Ann (unknown), Sherwood, unknown, Habberfield, Collings, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Canham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown
I decided to take on the 52 Ancestor Challenge this year. Monday was to be my day to look at my 4x great grandparents (all of whom are listed above as I know them with doubt for the last section from Woodcock to the last unknown). In total there are more than 52 names listed but I will only pick the ones for whom I have information and am fairly sure of my ancestry.
John Coleman, one of my 4x great grandfathers (we have 32 4x great grandfathers in total), was baptized 13 Feb 1737 at Upper Clatford. The priest has noted that he is the son of Clement Coleman and Dinah Bever. I am unable to find their marriage at Upper Clatford or in the surrounding areas but I do not have all the registers for this area. In total this couple baptized 8 children at Upper Clatford between 1737 and 1751. Two of these children died of measles in 1756.
John Coleman married Elizabeth Pearce 7 Oct 1771 at Abbots Ann. Elizabeth will be one of the 52 ancestors so will not write too much about her other than to say that they have two children baptized at Abbots Ann. Since John Coleman's parents and grandparents before them ran an Inn at Goodworth Clatford and the Pearce family were involved in running Inns at Abbots Ann my suspicion is that they were involved in running an Inn at Abbots Ann but I have not yet found any record of licenses there as I have at Goodworth Clatford. John died young at the age of 43 when his children were just seven and five years of age. He was buried at Upper Clatford (was there a Coleman family plot there?). I have not yet determined that but both of his parents were buried at Upper Clatford - his father Clement 8 Feb 1753 and his mother Dinah 7 May 1783.
My ancestry including John Coleman:
1. Elizabeth KIPP
2. Ernest Edward George BLAKE (b 20 Aug 1904) - Eastleigh Hampshire England
3. Samuel George Blake (b 10 Feb 1875) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
4. Edward Blake (b 2 Jan 1845) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
5. John BLAKE (b 25 Feb 1799) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
6. Sarah COLEMAN (b 15 Jun 1773) - Abbotts Ann Hampshire England
7. John COLEMAN (b 13 Feb 1737) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
8. Clement COLEMAN (b 25 Oct 1704) - Goodworth Clatford Hampshire England
9. Clement COLLMAN
Saturday, April 6, 2013
Lambden Research Day and Abbots Ann Parish Registers
My Lambden family when I first discovered them about eight years ago in my early years of Genealogy ended up being partially known by me because of Elizabeth Lambden who was my grandfather's great grandmother whom he knew about from his grandmother Anne (Farmer) Blake. Elizabeth Lambden lived to be 96 years of age dying in 1862. A remarkable age at that time and she worked most of those years being a shepherdess the last years of her life (with her son William Farmer).
Elizabeth Lambden married Isaac Farmer 16 Aug 1789 at Woodhouse, Andover. It must have been interesting times as the baptism of their first son, William Farmer, took place on 16 Aug 1789 as well. William was born 16 Jul 1789. He married Hannah Green 31 Jul 1823 at Andover. They had a large family of three daughters and four sons. I have met a number of descendants of this family on Genes Reunited.
Elizabeth's father was Nathanael Lambden and he appears to have been a wheelwright. He signed the marriage registration of his daughter as did Isaac Farmer Elizabeth's husband. Elizabeth made her mark. I already discussed Isaac Farmer and the possibility of him being the son of John Farmer of Collingbourne Kingston.
Because sorting these individuals out is really dependent on transcribing the parish registers for these various places (unless they come online) I am going to once again reserve this research period for transcribing the Abbots Ann Parish Registers and once completed I will go back and finish Andover and Upper Clatford and then move to Goodworth Clatford. In the meantime others are also researching Isaac Farmer and Elizabeth Lambden and I will see how their research transpires since I have given them all the details that I had acquired on this family a few years ago. They live in England and are closer to the "record" houses than I am. Really these families need to have someone who can go to the record offices and spend time going through all the different possible records.
Abbots Ann Parish Registers are moving slowly and I managed to do the burials from 1653 to 1656 yesterday (I do not know if the burials from 1598 to 1652 are extant. That remains to be seen as I work my way through this early register which is difficult to read and not always chronological. I also did the marriages from 1653 to 1656. No new baptisms and they remain at 1636 as the last year entered. This will be a rather large file by the time I reach the mid 1900s with 607 baptisms, 113 marriages and 197 burials thus far and three hundred years to go.
Elizabeth Lambden married Isaac Farmer 16 Aug 1789 at Woodhouse, Andover. It must have been interesting times as the baptism of their first son, William Farmer, took place on 16 Aug 1789 as well. William was born 16 Jul 1789. He married Hannah Green 31 Jul 1823 at Andover. They had a large family of three daughters and four sons. I have met a number of descendants of this family on Genes Reunited.
Elizabeth's father was Nathanael Lambden and he appears to have been a wheelwright. He signed the marriage registration of his daughter as did Isaac Farmer Elizabeth's husband. Elizabeth made her mark. I already discussed Isaac Farmer and the possibility of him being the son of John Farmer of Collingbourne Kingston.
Because sorting these individuals out is really dependent on transcribing the parish registers for these various places (unless they come online) I am going to once again reserve this research period for transcribing the Abbots Ann Parish Registers and once completed I will go back and finish Andover and Upper Clatford and then move to Goodworth Clatford. In the meantime others are also researching Isaac Farmer and Elizabeth Lambden and I will see how their research transpires since I have given them all the details that I had acquired on this family a few years ago. They live in England and are closer to the "record" houses than I am. Really these families need to have someone who can go to the record offices and spend time going through all the different possible records.
Abbots Ann Parish Registers are moving slowly and I managed to do the burials from 1653 to 1656 yesterday (I do not know if the burials from 1598 to 1652 are extant. That remains to be seen as I work my way through this early register which is difficult to read and not always chronological. I also did the marriages from 1653 to 1656. No new baptisms and they remain at 1636 as the last year entered. This will be a rather large file by the time I reach the mid 1900s with 607 baptisms, 113 marriages and 197 burials thus far and three hundred years to go.
Wednesday, April 3, 2013
Coleman Research Day and Abbots Ann Parish Registers
My last Coleman research day was 5 Apr 2011 and the research plan developed to move forward was to transcribe the Goodworth Clatford parish registers but only if Abbots Ann was complete. My Coleman family lived at Abbots Ann and before that Upper Clatford and prior to that at Goodworth Clatford.
Last blog on Coleman family:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/04/coleman-family-at-goodworth-clatford.html
Just to remind myself of my Coleman family, Sarah Coleman married Thomas Blake 10 Jun 1792 at Upper Clatford. Sarah was baptized 15 June 1773 at Abbots Ann the daughter of John Coleman and Elizabeth Pearce who were themselves married 7 Oct 1771 at Abbots Ann. Sarah and Thomas had ten children of whom the last two died (Henry and Joanna) and the fourth (Joanna) died as infants and the seventh child Sarah died at the age of three. All the rest survived to adulthood but two died rather young the sixth child George (35 years of age) and the eighth child Charlotte (31 years of age). The longest living child was Mary who lived to be 87 years of age and then John (my ancestor) who was 74 years of age when he died. Thomas the fifth child may have also been into his 70s but I haven't found his death registration yet. The remaining child, William, the eldest, was 70 years of age when he died.
Sarah died 3 Jul 1816 (her last child had been born 31 May 1816 dying 3 Jun 1816). Sarah's father John Coleman was baptized 13 Feb 1736 at Upper Clatford and he was buried 2 Jul 1780 at Upper Clatford (44 years of age). There were just the two children for John Coleman and Elizabeth Pearce - Sarah and her brother William who was baptized 12 Mar 1775 at Upper Clatford. William married Mary Wright (marriage not yet found) and they had at least one son William.
Moving further back John was the eldest son of Clement Coleman and Dinah Bever. Clement and Dinah had eight children of whom four died of measles as recorded in the Parish Registers of Upper Clatford. I have not yet traced down the remaining children other than John although I do have the Parish Registers of Upper Clatford transcribed up to 1812. A quick check of the excel file for Upper Clatford shows that the eight children were baptized at Upper Clatford but none after that time up to 1812. Burials at Upper Clatford show widow Coleman buried 20 Aug 1642, Clement Coleman buried 8 Feb 1753 and then the four children Clement buried 9 Mar 1756, Mary Elizabeth buried 13 Mar 1756, Henry buried 13 May 1763 and James the fourth child who died young is not listed and Dinah herself buried 7 May 1783. There are only two Coleman marriages at Upper Clatford - Sarah married to Thomas Blake and her mother Elizabeth Coleman (widow) married John Head 10 Oct 1781.
I can move back one more generation from Clement Coleman and he was baptized 25 Oct 1704 at Goodworth Clatford the son of Clement Coleman and Katherine Holeridge who were themselves married 6 Oct 1695 at Goodworth Clatford. They had four daughters and the one son. Their eldest daughter Katherine Coleman (baptized 3 Aug 1696 at Goodworth Clatford) married Charles Dear 10 May 1723 at Goodworth Clatford. Katherine ran an Inn at Upper Clatford and this was possibly a joint effort with Clement but the licenses for this only go back to the time after Clement died (likely before 1721). Their other daughters were Elizabeth baptized 27 Apr 1698 at Goodworth Clatford, Mary (baptism not yet located) and Ann baptized 28 Apr 1710 at Goodworth Clatford. Prior to this time I have no ideas on where the Coleman or the Holeridge family were located.
The Hampshire Record Office online catalogue has 50 wills for members of the Coleman family between 1515 and 1785 but none of them appear to be for any of the members of the Coleman family thus far known to me. Searching on Clement Coleman does not give my any records that are relevant. Any Google searches bring up my webpages for the most part.
I think perhaps my time might be best spent on the Abbots Ann Parish Registers at this stage so I will proceed using up my one hour on the Coleman family for this pursuit. When I last transcribed Abbots Ann I was at 1612 for baptisms, 1598 for marriages and 1597 for burials. The Subsidy 1571-1598 at Abbots Ann does not list any Coleman family members.
I shall keep my blog open in case I come across any interesting entries and will publish the blog after I have put in my one hour on the parish registers of Abbots Ann.
There is one missing entry in Family Search for Thomas Whicher son of Thomas Whicher baptized 2 May 1613. Occasionally there are misses in the Parish Register Transcriptions for Family Search. Although the spelling looks like Whicher I note that Whityere is a commoner name in the parish register.
Future Coleman days will be devoted to the Abbots Ann Parish Registers which is also good for my Blake one name study.
Last blog on Coleman family:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/04/coleman-family-at-goodworth-clatford.html
Just to remind myself of my Coleman family, Sarah Coleman married Thomas Blake 10 Jun 1792 at Upper Clatford. Sarah was baptized 15 June 1773 at Abbots Ann the daughter of John Coleman and Elizabeth Pearce who were themselves married 7 Oct 1771 at Abbots Ann. Sarah and Thomas had ten children of whom the last two died (Henry and Joanna) and the fourth (Joanna) died as infants and the seventh child Sarah died at the age of three. All the rest survived to adulthood but two died rather young the sixth child George (35 years of age) and the eighth child Charlotte (31 years of age). The longest living child was Mary who lived to be 87 years of age and then John (my ancestor) who was 74 years of age when he died. Thomas the fifth child may have also been into his 70s but I haven't found his death registration yet. The remaining child, William, the eldest, was 70 years of age when he died.
Sarah died 3 Jul 1816 (her last child had been born 31 May 1816 dying 3 Jun 1816). Sarah's father John Coleman was baptized 13 Feb 1736 at Upper Clatford and he was buried 2 Jul 1780 at Upper Clatford (44 years of age). There were just the two children for John Coleman and Elizabeth Pearce - Sarah and her brother William who was baptized 12 Mar 1775 at Upper Clatford. William married Mary Wright (marriage not yet found) and they had at least one son William.
Moving further back John was the eldest son of Clement Coleman and Dinah Bever. Clement and Dinah had eight children of whom four died of measles as recorded in the Parish Registers of Upper Clatford. I have not yet traced down the remaining children other than John although I do have the Parish Registers of Upper Clatford transcribed up to 1812. A quick check of the excel file for Upper Clatford shows that the eight children were baptized at Upper Clatford but none after that time up to 1812. Burials at Upper Clatford show widow Coleman buried 20 Aug 1642, Clement Coleman buried 8 Feb 1753 and then the four children Clement buried 9 Mar 1756, Mary Elizabeth buried 13 Mar 1756, Henry buried 13 May 1763 and James the fourth child who died young is not listed and Dinah herself buried 7 May 1783. There are only two Coleman marriages at Upper Clatford - Sarah married to Thomas Blake and her mother Elizabeth Coleman (widow) married John Head 10 Oct 1781.
I can move back one more generation from Clement Coleman and he was baptized 25 Oct 1704 at Goodworth Clatford the son of Clement Coleman and Katherine Holeridge who were themselves married 6 Oct 1695 at Goodworth Clatford. They had four daughters and the one son. Their eldest daughter Katherine Coleman (baptized 3 Aug 1696 at Goodworth Clatford) married Charles Dear 10 May 1723 at Goodworth Clatford. Katherine ran an Inn at Upper Clatford and this was possibly a joint effort with Clement but the licenses for this only go back to the time after Clement died (likely before 1721). Their other daughters were Elizabeth baptized 27 Apr 1698 at Goodworth Clatford, Mary (baptism not yet located) and Ann baptized 28 Apr 1710 at Goodworth Clatford. Prior to this time I have no ideas on where the Coleman or the Holeridge family were located.
The Hampshire Record Office online catalogue has 50 wills for members of the Coleman family between 1515 and 1785 but none of them appear to be for any of the members of the Coleman family thus far known to me. Searching on Clement Coleman does not give my any records that are relevant. Any Google searches bring up my webpages for the most part.
I think perhaps my time might be best spent on the Abbots Ann Parish Registers at this stage so I will proceed using up my one hour on the Coleman family for this pursuit. When I last transcribed Abbots Ann I was at 1612 for baptisms, 1598 for marriages and 1597 for burials. The Subsidy 1571-1598 at Abbots Ann does not list any Coleman family members.
I shall keep my blog open in case I come across any interesting entries and will publish the blog after I have put in my one hour on the parish registers of Abbots Ann.
There is one missing entry in Family Search for Thomas Whicher son of Thomas Whicher baptized 2 May 1613. Occasionally there are misses in the Parish Register Transcriptions for Family Search. Although the spelling looks like Whicher I note that Whityere is a commoner name in the parish register.
Future Coleman days will be devoted to the Abbots Ann Parish Registers which is also good for my Blake one name study.
Friday, June 3, 2011
Coleman at Abbotts Ann, Upper Clatford and Goodworth Clatford
My strategy for the use of this research time was to either begin the Goodworth Clatford Parish Registers or continue with Abbotts Ann if not completed. However I also have had a project ongoing of typing the Hampshire Hearth Tax Assessment from 1665 which is missing its index for some of the pages in particular C. Once I have completed the Hampshire Hearth Tax Assessment from 1665 I will continue on with the Coleman family or the Parish Registers which ever is still incomplete.
I think that learning more about the Coleman family which did not remain for many generations in any one place can only be accomplished by reading the various parish registers in this area. The 1665 Hearth Tax Assessment for Andover Division lists only one Coleman in Thorngate Hundred and the Town of Wellow namely Thomas Coleman. Since my first mention of my line thus far is Clement Collman who was likely born at at least 1675 and died by 1721 at Goodworth Clatford where he and his wife Katherine (Holeridge) Coleman ran a pub of some sort as I have a copy of the License for 1721 at Goodworth Clatford. Where Clement Coleman was born or the names of his parents is totally unknown to me. Wellow in Hampshire is referred to as East Wellow and it is partially in the hundred of Amesbury, county Wiltshire as well as being in the Thorngate Hundred of Hampshire. East Wellow is close to Romsey and there is a road (known as the Romsey Road) which travels northward past Goodworth Clatford - coincidence or other I have, at this point of time, no way of telling.
An even earlier record the West Hampshire Lay Subsidy Assessments for Andover Division lists a John Colman at Kings Somborne Hundred, Compton and Brook Tithing and in Brooke (in 1571) for John Colman. Brooke interestingly enough also lies on the Romsey Road south of Kings Somborne. Again coincidence or all part of the same family. It does not appear to be that common a surname in this time frame. The spelling Collman was used by the earlier family.
I think that learning more about the Coleman family which did not remain for many generations in any one place can only be accomplished by reading the various parish registers in this area. The 1665 Hearth Tax Assessment for Andover Division lists only one Coleman in Thorngate Hundred and the Town of Wellow namely Thomas Coleman. Since my first mention of my line thus far is Clement Collman who was likely born at at least 1675 and died by 1721 at Goodworth Clatford where he and his wife Katherine (Holeridge) Coleman ran a pub of some sort as I have a copy of the License for 1721 at Goodworth Clatford. Where Clement Coleman was born or the names of his parents is totally unknown to me. Wellow in Hampshire is referred to as East Wellow and it is partially in the hundred of Amesbury, county Wiltshire as well as being in the Thorngate Hundred of Hampshire. East Wellow is close to Romsey and there is a road (known as the Romsey Road) which travels northward past Goodworth Clatford - coincidence or other I have, at this point of time, no way of telling.
An even earlier record the West Hampshire Lay Subsidy Assessments for Andover Division lists a John Colman at Kings Somborne Hundred, Compton and Brook Tithing and in Brooke (in 1571) for John Colman. Brooke interestingly enough also lies on the Romsey Road south of Kings Somborne. Again coincidence or all part of the same family. It does not appear to be that common a surname in this time frame. The spelling Collman was used by the earlier family.
Tuesday, April 5, 2011
Coleman family at Goodworth Clatford, Upper Clatford and Abbotts Ann
I can trace my Coleman family back to Clement Coleman marrying Katherine Holeridge at Goodworth Clatford 6 Oct 1695. Prior to that date I have not yet found either of these families at Goodworth Clatford but I have the fiche for the Parish Registers and will eventually transcribe them. I will follow my quick regime to look at the Coleman family in Hampshire by checking FMP, Ancestry.ca, and World Connect. I may glance at Mocavo but I am finding it tends towards American Records although does pull up some of the English when they have been scanned at American libraries.
Checking Find My Past did not reveal any new information, I had hoped to find a burial for Clement in the Hampshire Burial Records. I do find the later burials for this family in the burial records but Clement eludes me. By 1717 his widow Katherine Coleman is running the alehouse at Goodworth Clatford and she continues to do so until at least 1723. Their only son Clement was born in 1704.
202M85/1/23 Alehouse Licence - Goodworth Clatford : Catherine Coleman 1717-1723
This record is from the Hampshire Record Office Catalogue and I will continue to monitor this site as well. I must add it to my King Research survey the next time.
Ancestry.ca was my next checkpoint and the only family tree that lists Clement is my own.
World Connect is the same as Ancestry and I continue to be the only person publicly searching for this Coleman family. Clement Coleman (baptized 25 Oct 1704) married Dinah Beaver in 1737 at Upper Clatford. This marriage occurred slightly after the birth of their first son John who was baptized 13 Feb 1737 with their remaining children (William, Mary Elizabeth, Thomas, Clement, James, Anthony and Henry) all being listed as the children of this couple after their marriage. I did not find their marriage at Upper Clatford. This family had a somewhat tragic happening with the father Clement and two of his children Mary Elizabeth and Clement dying of measles in 1753 and 1756. James died at 14 and Henry at 12 of unknown causes. John, my ancestor died at 43 years of age just nine years after marring Elizabeth Pearce 7 Oct 1771 at Abbotts Ann. His daughter Sarah Coleman married Thomas Blake 10 Jun 1792 at Upper Clatford. I want to learn more about the Coleman family at all three of the villages - Goodworth Clatford, Upper Clatford and Abbotts Ann.
Baptisms at Upper Clatford
Marriages at Upper Clatford
Burials at Upper Clatford
Checking Find My Past did not reveal any new information, I had hoped to find a burial for Clement in the Hampshire Burial Records. I do find the later burials for this family in the burial records but Clement eludes me. By 1717 his widow Katherine Coleman is running the alehouse at Goodworth Clatford and she continues to do so until at least 1723. Their only son Clement was born in 1704.
202M85/1/23 Alehouse Licence - Goodworth Clatford : Catherine Coleman 1717-1723
This record is from the Hampshire Record Office Catalogue and I will continue to monitor this site as well. I must add it to my King Research survey the next time.
Ancestry.ca was my next checkpoint and the only family tree that lists Clement is my own.
World Connect is the same as Ancestry and I continue to be the only person publicly searching for this Coleman family. Clement Coleman (baptized 25 Oct 1704) married Dinah Beaver in 1737 at Upper Clatford. This marriage occurred slightly after the birth of their first son John who was baptized 13 Feb 1737 with their remaining children (William, Mary Elizabeth, Thomas, Clement, James, Anthony and Henry) all being listed as the children of this couple after their marriage. I did not find their marriage at Upper Clatford. This family had a somewhat tragic happening with the father Clement and two of his children Mary Elizabeth and Clement dying of measles in 1753 and 1756. James died at 14 and Henry at 12 of unknown causes. John, my ancestor died at 43 years of age just nine years after marring Elizabeth Pearce 7 Oct 1771 at Abbotts Ann. His daughter Sarah Coleman married Thomas Blake 10 Jun 1792 at Upper Clatford. I want to learn more about the Coleman family at all three of the villages - Goodworth Clatford, Upper Clatford and Abbotts Ann.
Baptisms at Upper Clatford
| Coleman | William | son | Coleman | Clement | Dinah | 1738 | December | 30 | |
| Coleman | Elizabeth | daughter | Coleman | Clement | Dinah | 1740 | January | 25 | |
| Coleman | Thomas | son | Coleman | Clemens | Dinah | 1742 | October | 21 | |
| Coleman | Clement | son | Coleman | Clement | Dinah | 1744 | May | 8 | |
| Coleman | James | son | Coleman | Clement | Dinah | 1750 | April | 15 | |
| Coleman | Anthony | son | Coleman | Clement | Dinah | 1750 | July | 10 | |
| Coleman | Henry | son | Coleman | Clement | Dinah | 1751 | December | 2 | |
| Coleman | William | son | Coleman | John | Elizabeth | 1775 | March | 12 |
Marriages at Upper Clatford
| Blake | Thomas | Upper Clatford | Coleman | Sarah | Upper Clatford | 1792 | June | 9 | Jane Tanner, John Philpotte | |||
| Head | John | Upper Clatford | Coleman | Elizabeth | Upper Clatford (widow) | 1781 | October | 10 | Martha Kimber, George Gale | |||
Burials at Upper Clatford
| Coleman | widow | 1642 | August | 20 | |||||
| Coleman | Clement | 1753 | February | 8 | |||||
| Coleman | Clement | son | Coleman | Dinah | 1756 | March | 9 | ||
| Coleman | Mary | daughter | Coleman | Dinah | 1756 | March | 13 | ||
| Coleman | Henry | 1763 | May | 13 | |||||
| Coleman | John | 1779 | July | 2 | |||||
| Coleman | Dinah | 1783 | May | 7 |
| Strategy for two months time will be starting transcription of the Goodworth Clatford Parish Registers (this may be replaced by Abbotts Ann Parish Records if they are not yet complete). |
Thursday, February 10, 2011
Upper Clatford complete to 1812
I have completed the Upper Clatford Parish Registers to the end of 1812 and I am proofreading them today. Hopefully it will not take me too long. I learned about what I thought I would learn from the Upper Clatford marriages. There was a Blake family there in the 1600s and likely descendant of the Peter Blake family. This Peter descends from Nicholas Blake. It is interesting to find my Blake family there from the mid 1700s on. One wonders if they realized that they were related to the earlier Blake family that was there. My grandfather used to say that the Blake family had been at Upper Clatford for at least 500 years when I was young so possibly he did know but did not fill in enough details for my eight year old mind to retain that knowledge. We are not, however, directly descendant of the Peter Blake line that lived there. He would have been a many times great grand uncle.
There was a Pearse family at Upper Clatford which greatly interested me in that Elizabeth Pearse married to John Coleman was one of my 4x great grandmothers. I have no idea if there is any relationship between these Pearse families. Elizabeth is likely baptized at Collingbourne Kingston, Wiltshire. John and Elizabeth were married at Abbotts Ann. This is my next block of transcription to do once Upper Clatford is proofread.
The final tally for records in Upper Clatford includes 1683 baptisms, 349 marriages and 1161 burials. The burials to baptisms ratio shows a very healthy population at Upper Clatford with over 500 baptisms compared to burials. The Church of All Saints at Upper Clatford was a busy place when we visited. There were a number of people there in the church and visiting the graveyard. It is a quiet peaceful place and the mystical part of me left my memories of my grandfather with the nearest tree. Some of the trees have been there for long enough to have been touched by my grandfather. It was a heady moment for me to be there where he had been. He talked a great deal about Upper Clatford in the last years of his life. Although he lived at Eastleigh from his 20s on until coming to Canada when he was 39 in 1913, the love he had for his home village was quite easy to see. His father, Edward Blake, lived at Goodworth Clatford the last years of his life. My father could remember that and said that his grandfather used to walk to Upper Clatford from the nursing home he lived in (Yew Cottage) in order to see his home town once again. Edward, father to Samuel, died in 1916 at Yew Cottage. I didn't try to find it when we visited but we may try the next time as we will spend a couple of days in that area.One of my grandfather's younger brothers is buried at Goodworth Clatford - Edward Sidney Blake was buried in 1898.
Back to transcription proofreading and I shall probably get a start on Abbotts Ann just for a change. For Abbotts Ann I have the registers from 1561 right up to the mid 1960s. I may transcribe this one right up to 1837 initially and further later. My interest is primarily in the Coleman and Pearse families there but also to see if I can discover the Blake family there and whether Robert Blake and Elizabeth Russell of Andover did end up in Abbotts Ann. The time period of the early 1700s is difficult in this set of records but will try to transcribe as much as I am able.
There was a Pearse family at Upper Clatford which greatly interested me in that Elizabeth Pearse married to John Coleman was one of my 4x great grandmothers. I have no idea if there is any relationship between these Pearse families. Elizabeth is likely baptized at Collingbourne Kingston, Wiltshire. John and Elizabeth were married at Abbotts Ann. This is my next block of transcription to do once Upper Clatford is proofread.
The final tally for records in Upper Clatford includes 1683 baptisms, 349 marriages and 1161 burials. The burials to baptisms ratio shows a very healthy population at Upper Clatford with over 500 baptisms compared to burials. The Church of All Saints at Upper Clatford was a busy place when we visited. There were a number of people there in the church and visiting the graveyard. It is a quiet peaceful place and the mystical part of me left my memories of my grandfather with the nearest tree. Some of the trees have been there for long enough to have been touched by my grandfather. It was a heady moment for me to be there where he had been. He talked a great deal about Upper Clatford in the last years of his life. Although he lived at Eastleigh from his 20s on until coming to Canada when he was 39 in 1913, the love he had for his home village was quite easy to see. His father, Edward Blake, lived at Goodworth Clatford the last years of his life. My father could remember that and said that his grandfather used to walk to Upper Clatford from the nursing home he lived in (Yew Cottage) in order to see his home town once again. Edward, father to Samuel, died in 1916 at Yew Cottage. I didn't try to find it when we visited but we may try the next time as we will spend a couple of days in that area.One of my grandfather's younger brothers is buried at Goodworth Clatford - Edward Sidney Blake was buried in 1898.
Back to transcription proofreading and I shall probably get a start on Abbotts Ann just for a change. For Abbotts Ann I have the registers from 1561 right up to the mid 1960s. I may transcribe this one right up to 1837 initially and further later. My interest is primarily in the Coleman and Pearse families there but also to see if I can discover the Blake family there and whether Robert Blake and Elizabeth Russell of Andover did end up in Abbotts Ann. The time period of the early 1700s is difficult in this set of records but will try to transcribe as much as I am able.
Thursday, January 27, 2011
Carter family at Upper Clatford and Andover
The Carter family at Upper Clatford and Andover has interested me for awhile because I have at least one marriage and possibly two into this family. One of them is likely a daughter of the Carter family at Andover.
Thomas King married Mary Carter 10 Jan 1728 at Upper Clatford and I am not sure of Mary Carter's parents or where she was born. The marriage lines state that they are both of this parish. There are at least four Carter families at Upper Clatford in the early to mid 1660s - Thomas, Henery, Michaell and John. However by the late 1600s there is Thomas only but no daughter Mary in the IGI. The Register is becoming more difficult to read by the 1670s and continues thus into the early 1700s. Perhaps I will find a Mary hidden away in there somewhere that was missed in the IGI. On the other hand there are at least half of a dozen Carter families at Andover and there are Marys the right age there. The wills of the Carter family might help me and I have collected all those as well. Gyles Carter in 1675 at Andover, Richard Carter in 1684 at Andover, Robert Carter in 1725 at Andover, John Carter in 1780 at Andover, and Mary Carter widow in 1828 at Andover. These were all at the National Archives in Kew. There are other wills for Carter family members at Upper Clatford namely John Carter in 1732 and Thomas Carter in 1732. Robert Carter in 1732 leaves a will at Andover and the last three are from the Hampshire Record office. I need to purchase the Carter wills at Upper Clatford.
Once I have transcribed all these registers then I will work on the wills. It is so much easier when I know the families through the baptisms to work on the wills I find. There is still a Carter family at Upper Clatford in the 1900s with a will for George Carter farmer. On the 1911 Census he is living at Eastbury House in Upper Clatford.
Continuing on with the Upper Clatford Parish Registers and as of the end of 1670 there are 688 baptisms. Considering I have all the baptisms up to 1970 this is going to be a very large file when complete. Although we drove around Upper Clatford somewhat it did not seem like that large a village but looking at the map we only skirted around the outside going to the Church and then continuing on the road to Goodworth Clatford. Looking at the village in Google Maps reveals a fairly large village surrounded by farmland except to the north where Andover is located on the other side of the highway which runs between the two. There was a copse of trees to the north of the village which blocked the highway and Andover from view. It was an extremely quiet village considering the main highway was so close.
I would like to visit Upper Clatford again one day and actually walk on some of the streets and climb Bury Hill if that is possible. My grandfather used to describe the village to me and the Bury Hill so I am keen to look at it more closely. The Church was most interesting and the centre of the community I think. It was very busy the day that we were there with a number of people inside. It was amazing being there actually. The next time we are there I shall miss my cousins very much as they were with us last time and Ivan passed away this past year. This time it will be my husband and myself.
Thinking of going to England we also want to go to Norfolk and visit Aylmerton, East Runton, Sherringham where his Abbs line originated. His Mary Abbs came to Canada in about 1832/33 with her parents William Abbs and Martha Chapman as a child of 13/14 years of age. Finding her last year was one of my husbands "great events" in that he had been searching for her for awhile - a Eureka moment!
Thomas King married Mary Carter 10 Jan 1728 at Upper Clatford and I am not sure of Mary Carter's parents or where she was born. The marriage lines state that they are both of this parish. There are at least four Carter families at Upper Clatford in the early to mid 1660s - Thomas, Henery, Michaell and John. However by the late 1600s there is Thomas only but no daughter Mary in the IGI. The Register is becoming more difficult to read by the 1670s and continues thus into the early 1700s. Perhaps I will find a Mary hidden away in there somewhere that was missed in the IGI. On the other hand there are at least half of a dozen Carter families at Andover and there are Marys the right age there. The wills of the Carter family might help me and I have collected all those as well. Gyles Carter in 1675 at Andover, Richard Carter in 1684 at Andover, Robert Carter in 1725 at Andover, John Carter in 1780 at Andover, and Mary Carter widow in 1828 at Andover. These were all at the National Archives in Kew. There are other wills for Carter family members at Upper Clatford namely John Carter in 1732 and Thomas Carter in 1732. Robert Carter in 1732 leaves a will at Andover and the last three are from the Hampshire Record office. I need to purchase the Carter wills at Upper Clatford.
Once I have transcribed all these registers then I will work on the wills. It is so much easier when I know the families through the baptisms to work on the wills I find. There is still a Carter family at Upper Clatford in the 1900s with a will for George Carter farmer. On the 1911 Census he is living at Eastbury House in Upper Clatford.
Continuing on with the Upper Clatford Parish Registers and as of the end of 1670 there are 688 baptisms. Considering I have all the baptisms up to 1970 this is going to be a very large file when complete. Although we drove around Upper Clatford somewhat it did not seem like that large a village but looking at the map we only skirted around the outside going to the Church and then continuing on the road to Goodworth Clatford. Looking at the village in Google Maps reveals a fairly large village surrounded by farmland except to the north where Andover is located on the other side of the highway which runs between the two. There was a copse of trees to the north of the village which blocked the highway and Andover from view. It was an extremely quiet village considering the main highway was so close.
I would like to visit Upper Clatford again one day and actually walk on some of the streets and climb Bury Hill if that is possible. My grandfather used to describe the village to me and the Bury Hill so I am keen to look at it more closely. The Church was most interesting and the centre of the community I think. It was very busy the day that we were there with a number of people inside. It was amazing being there actually. The next time we are there I shall miss my cousins very much as they were with us last time and Ivan passed away this past year. This time it will be my husband and myself.
Thinking of going to England we also want to go to Norfolk and visit Aylmerton, East Runton, Sherringham where his Abbs line originated. His Mary Abbs came to Canada in about 1832/33 with her parents William Abbs and Martha Chapman as a child of 13/14 years of age. Finding her last year was one of my husbands "great events" in that he had been searching for her for awhile - a Eureka moment!
Thursday, January 13, 2011
Thomas Blake at Upper Clatford
I have completed the baptisms at Andover up to the end of December 1756 and there are 11,785 baptisms from the beginning of the registers to this date at St Marys Andover. Next the burials and then the marriages and I will be ready to move on to Penton Mewsey parish registers. Having just discussed Charles Blake at Abbotts Ann I now move to remind myself of what I know about my own line at Upper Clatford going back to Andover.
My Blake line which runs back from my father who was born at Eastleigh HAM in 1904 to his father born at Upper Clatford HAM in 1875 (Samuel George Blake). Samuel's father was Edward Blake and his mother Maria Jane Knight. Edward was born at Upper Clatford in 1845 and Maria Jane Knight was born at Turnworth, DOR in 1849. Maria Jane Knight's family lines are fairly well defined back into the mid 1700s and I will speak about the Knight family in another blog.
Edward Blake's parents were John Blake (b 1799 Upper Clatford) and Ann Farmer (b 1804 Woodhouse, Little London, Andover). Again I have acquired some information on the Farmer line back into the mid 1700s and it too will be discussed in another blog.
John Blake's parents were Thomas Blake (b 1767 Upper Clatford) and Sarah Coleman (b 1773 Abbotts Ann HAM). The Coleman family dates back to Goodworth Clatford in the late 1600s and they were inn keepers there with more information to come on this line later.
Thomas Blake was born posthumously in Oct 1767 after the death of his father Joseph (b 1730 Andover) in May 1767 and his older brother Thomas also in May 1767. Thomas' mother was Joanna King b 1736 Upper Clatford. She was the only surviving child of Thomas King and Mary Carter who had married 10 Jan 1728. Both of them were older (Thomas King was likely b 1688 Upper Clatford and Mary Carter was likely b 1692 Andover) and only two children were baptized to this couple Elizabeth b 1735; d 1735 and Joanna b 1736. Thomas King in his will 1762 mentioned the daughter Mary of John Blake (malster at Abbotts Ann). Is it significant that he doesn't mention Mary the wife of John (her grave would indicate that she was still living)? I am looking for a connection between Thomas King and John Blake and why they mention each others children in their respective wills (written more than 30 years apart). The mother of Joseph Blake is still a mystery although signs point towards it being Ann Carter and the wife of Thomas King was Mary Carter. John Blake leaves money to the Church at Upper Clatford and what significance should I find there? All these little questions emerged from John's will. Nice to see Thomas Blake mentioned there but so many new questions emerged.
Joseph Blake's father is Thomas Blake and he was baptized in 1730 at Andover. This Thomas is the son of Thomas Blake and Mary Spring who married in 1708 at Andover. I am fairly quickly answering the question of which Thomas this was in that Thomas Blake (b 1671) does not appear on the Poll book in 1710 and as the nephew of Peter Blake one would have expected him to be there I think. More proof still needed. The other Thomas that is a candidate is the son of John Blake and Elizabeth and baptized 1685 at Andover. Although this John Blake appears to be the son of William Blake and Ann Hellier I am holding that in abeyance because the father of Thomas (b 1671) is John the brother of William Blake married to Ann Hellier. I need to resolve this issue before moving back to the father of William and John and he was William Blake married to Dorothy Madgwick.
The line continues back to Richard Blake married to Jone Blake. These two bring the two Blake lines at Andover together in that Richard and Jone are both great grandchildren of Mr. Blake and Jone Blake. Jone left a will in 1527 naming her children: Robert, Nicholas and Elizabeth (married to Mr. Mylne). Jone was descended from Robert (his grandaughter (her father was Robert)) and Richard was descended from Nicholas his grandson (his father was William). Although I still need to work out which Thomas married Mary Spring the ultimate way back is the same result - Nicholas and Robert Blake as my two Blake lines at Andover and they were brothers.
My Blake line which runs back from my father who was born at Eastleigh HAM in 1904 to his father born at Upper Clatford HAM in 1875 (Samuel George Blake). Samuel's father was Edward Blake and his mother Maria Jane Knight. Edward was born at Upper Clatford in 1845 and Maria Jane Knight was born at Turnworth, DOR in 1849. Maria Jane Knight's family lines are fairly well defined back into the mid 1700s and I will speak about the Knight family in another blog.
Edward Blake's parents were John Blake (b 1799 Upper Clatford) and Ann Farmer (b 1804 Woodhouse, Little London, Andover). Again I have acquired some information on the Farmer line back into the mid 1700s and it too will be discussed in another blog.
John Blake's parents were Thomas Blake (b 1767 Upper Clatford) and Sarah Coleman (b 1773 Abbotts Ann HAM). The Coleman family dates back to Goodworth Clatford in the late 1600s and they were inn keepers there with more information to come on this line later.
Thomas Blake was born posthumously in Oct 1767 after the death of his father Joseph (b 1730 Andover) in May 1767 and his older brother Thomas also in May 1767. Thomas' mother was Joanna King b 1736 Upper Clatford. She was the only surviving child of Thomas King and Mary Carter who had married 10 Jan 1728. Both of them were older (Thomas King was likely b 1688 Upper Clatford and Mary Carter was likely b 1692 Andover) and only two children were baptized to this couple Elizabeth b 1735; d 1735 and Joanna b 1736. Thomas King in his will 1762 mentioned the daughter Mary of John Blake (malster at Abbotts Ann). Is it significant that he doesn't mention Mary the wife of John (her grave would indicate that she was still living)? I am looking for a connection between Thomas King and John Blake and why they mention each others children in their respective wills (written more than 30 years apart). The mother of Joseph Blake is still a mystery although signs point towards it being Ann Carter and the wife of Thomas King was Mary Carter. John Blake leaves money to the Church at Upper Clatford and what significance should I find there? All these little questions emerged from John's will. Nice to see Thomas Blake mentioned there but so many new questions emerged.
Joseph Blake's father is Thomas Blake and he was baptized in 1730 at Andover. This Thomas is the son of Thomas Blake and Mary Spring who married in 1708 at Andover. I am fairly quickly answering the question of which Thomas this was in that Thomas Blake (b 1671) does not appear on the Poll book in 1710 and as the nephew of Peter Blake one would have expected him to be there I think. More proof still needed. The other Thomas that is a candidate is the son of John Blake and Elizabeth
The line continues back to Richard Blake married to Jone Blake. These two bring the two Blake lines at Andover together in that Richard and Jone are both great grandchildren of Mr.
Friday, January 7, 2011
St Marys Church at Andover
We did not visit St Marys Church at Andover when we went to Upper Clatford. We were with my cousin and there was so much he wanted to show us in the area around Andover that we decided not to go into Andover itself. That is one place I would like to visit although I suspect it was probably bombed during the war so that old areas are probably gone for the most part. There were Blake families in Andover (mine) and Blake families at Enham (mine as well). But which Enham - Knights Enham or Kings Enham? Also there were Blake families at Finckley, Foxcott (likely mine), Charleton, Penton Mewsey, Abbotts Ann, Monxton, Vernham Dean and I still have other registers to look at with regard to this family.
But were they all the same Blake family? That is a curiosity for me that only yDNA testing can probably resolve. The variety of yDNA in the Blake family includes: R1a, R1b, I1, I2a (my line), I2b and as we continue with the study perhaps there will be other haplogroups. There are two William Blake families at Andover and/or Eastontown. There actually would appear to be two Blake families at Eastontown with the forename William in the mid 1500s. One would definitely be the son of Nicholas by wills and subsidy records. The other William is a bit of a mystery. Is he a son of Roger Blake and Mary Baynard as shown on the Wiltshire Chart mentioned earlier in my blogs? He is said to be married to Avice Ripley (daughter of Sir Gervase Ripley of Ripon Hampshire). William son of Nicholas is married to Elizabeth and leaves a will in 1582 naming his children (and wife). The other William is also said to have died in 1582 but his children are different from William son of Nicholas plus his wife is Avice.
It is interesting to contemplate - was William married twice? This is a question that I cannot answer but one would think that he would have mentioned the children from both marriages if that was the case. The answer lies in reading the manor books for Eastontown (Andover) and that will be one of my prime targets when we next go to Salt Lake City. I wish they were not in Latin but will work away at that problem.
Continuing with the burials at St Marys Andover, I now have 7575 burials to the end of December 1721. There were 9138 baptisms at St Mary Andover by the end of December 1721 so a good growth situation at Andover. New families have moved in and we are just now approaching the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in England (between 1760 and 1780 appears to be the generally accepted time period for the commencement of this enormous change in what was primarily a manual labour and draft-animal–based economy towards machine based manufacturing. Towns were fairly small and the rural areas large with many hands needed to work the farms.
I will continue working on the Burials at St Marys heading to 1746 (25 years to do) and also reading my book on the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. It has proven to be most interesting reading. The sources listed include many of the books published about the Colonels of the 23rd Regiment as well as biographies about these particular men. My book report will mention some of the famous colonels of the regiment who went on to greater glory within the British Army.
Perhaps this weekend I will extract the names that have been at Andover since the early registers. I will select a cut off date of 1620 and then do 100 years to 1720. The variety of "home" locations for people marrying at Andover has also increased and I will augment that list as well. I am still hoping it will be helpful for me eventually.
One other mystery that I have in this area is the Coleman/Collman family at Goodworth Clatford. Sarah Coleman was my 3x great grandmother married to Thomas Blake at Upper Clatford. I can trace Sarah back several generations, her father was John Coleman son of Clement Coleman and Dinah Bever. This Clement was the son of Clement Collman and Katherine Holeridge. I have copies of an Inn License for Katherine Coleman in the 1720s at Goodworth Clatford and Clement and Katharine married at Goodworth Clatford 6 Oct 1695. But there I am still waiting but do need to transcribe the Goodworth Clatford registers just to be sure I haven't missed an earlier entry for either or both of them.
But were they all the same Blake family? That is a curiosity for me that only yDNA testing can probably resolve. The variety of yDNA in the Blake family includes: R1a, R1b, I1, I2a (my line), I2b and as we continue with the study perhaps there will be other haplogroups. There are two William Blake families at Andover and/or Eastontown. There actually would appear to be two Blake families at Eastontown with the forename William in the mid 1500s. One would definitely be the son of Nicholas by wills and subsidy records. The other William is a bit of a mystery. Is he a son of Roger Blake and Mary Baynard as shown on the Wiltshire Chart mentioned earlier in my blogs? He is said to be married to Avice Ripley (daughter of Sir Gervase Ripley of Ripon Hampshire). William son of Nicholas is married to Elizabeth
It is interesting to contemplate - was William married twice? This is a question that I cannot answer but one would think that he would have mentioned the children from both marriages if that was the case. The answer lies in reading the manor books for Eastontown (Andover) and that will be one of my prime targets when we next go to Salt Lake City. I wish they were not in Latin but will work away at that problem.
Continuing with the burials at St Marys Andover, I now have 7575 burials to the end of December 1721. There were 9138 baptisms at St Mary Andover by the end of December 1721 so a good growth situation at Andover. New families have moved in and we are just now approaching the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in England (between 1760 and 1780 appears to be the generally accepted time period for the commencement of this enormous change in what was primarily a manual labour and draft-animal–based economy towards machine based manufacturing. Towns were fairly small and the rural areas large with many hands needed to work the farms.
I will continue working on the Burials at St Marys heading to 1746 (25 years to do) and also reading my book on the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. It has proven to be most interesting reading. The sources listed include many of the books published about the Colonels of the 23rd Regiment as well as biographies about these particular men. My book report will mention some of the famous colonels of the regiment who went on to greater glory within the British Army.
Perhaps this weekend I will extract the names that have been at Andover since the early registers. I will select a cut off date of 1620 and then do 100 years to 1720. The variety of "home" locations for people marrying at Andover has also increased and I will augment that list as well. I am still hoping it will be helpful for me eventually.
One other mystery that I have in this area is the Coleman/Collman family at Goodworth Clatford. Sarah Coleman was my 3x great grandmother married to Thomas Blake at Upper Clatford. I can trace Sarah back several generations, her father was John Coleman son of Clement Coleman and Dinah Bever. This Clement was the son of Clement Collman and Katherine Holeridge. I have copies of an Inn License for Katherine Coleman in the 1720s at Goodworth Clatford and Clement and Katharine married at Goodworth Clatford 6 Oct 1695. But there I am still waiting but do need to transcribe the Goodworth Clatford registers just to be sure I haven't missed an earlier entry for either or both of them.
Wednesday, November 3, 2010
Marriage Challenge and Andover
A discussion on Marriage Challenges on the Discussion Forum for the Guild of One Name Studies led to an interesting discovery on my part. I could assist with a Marriage Challenge by extracting the marriages that I have at the parishes in the Andover Registration District - Andover, Abbots Ann, Upper Clatford, Goodworth Clatford, and Penton Mewsey. Not sure how many of the smaller parishes that I have marriages from 1837 to the present but will check on that. I need to set up the Cardinal Points so will work away at that and then I can set up an excel file and work away at that a bit each day.
I am now up to 5108 baptisms and just three pages left on the first fiche. There are three fiches for this time period (1642 - 1684) for the baptisms, marriages and burials. My excel file includes the fiche #, line # and image # to make finding the information again quite easy.
I had decided to resign from all of the county historical societies and other groups to which I have belonged for about five or six years and more in some cases except for the Guild of One Name Studies and I received an Exit Survey back for one of the organizations. It will be difficult to fill in because I resigned mostly because I was getting overloaded with journals and I simply couldn't read them all. Now I am in the mode of deciding which journals I found most beneficial to my work and that I consistently would read other than the Guild Journal. Leaving the Guild was too awkward which was the main reason for not retrenching completely!
I mostly blame it on being able to trace most of my lines and back quite a way. Having gotten back into the 1700s with all of them and further back for a number of them, I simply do not have enough hours in the day to do research. I need to make a decision on what I want to thoroughly research and what I will leave for someone else in the future if I am so lucky as to have someone pick all of this up :)
From what I understand though Cardinal Points are the first and last marriage in a quarter for each contributing institution (churches, court houses perhaps and licensed agencies). I do not know how marriages work in England outside of Churches. I am also noticing that each institution has a page of their own in the county registry office - for instance St Mary Abbotts Ann was page 37 and St Marys Andover was page 39 and all marriages are recorded on these pages in date order - all four marriages for Andover 3rd quarter 1837 were listed for page 39 in Free BMD. The single marriage for Abbotts Ann was listed. There were five other numbers 41, 43, 45, 47 and 49. Since Ludgershall would probably have at least as many marriages as Andover they are probably the second large one. Interestingly this Registration District crosses into Wiltshire. Since these numbers appear fixed it should be possible to determine which pages belong to which parishes and I shall see if I can figure that out as I have a number of Parishes that are in Andover RD.
Andover RD
Abbotts Ann St Mary
Amport St Mary
Andover St Mary
Appleshaw St Peter
Barton Stacey All Saints
Bullington St Michael
Chilbolton St Mary
Chute
Chute Forest
Faccombe St Barnabas
Foxcott
Fyfield St Nicholas
Goodworth Clatford St Peter
Grateley St Leonard
Hurstbourne Tarrant St Peter
Kimpton St Peter and St Paul
Knights Enham St Michael the Archangel
Linkenholt St Peter
Longparish St Nicholas
Ludgershall
Monxton St Mary
North Tidworth
Penton Grafton
Penton Mewsey Holy Trinity
Quarley St Michael
Shipton Bellinger St Peter
Smannell
South Tedworth Old St Mary
Tangley St Thomas
Thruxton St Peter
Upper Clatford All Saints
Vernhams Dean St Mary
Wherwell St Peter
I have the fiche for: Abbotts Ann, Andover, Goodworth Clatford, Kimpton, Knights Enham, Penton Mewsey and Upper Clatford. However, I do not always have the marriages from 1837 to 1912 for all of these parishes. I purchased them to look at the Blake families there and I wasn't interested past 1812 in most cases and not after 1750 for many of them although I did buy them into the 1800s.
I can trace my Blake line clearly back to the 1600s so did not have a strong need for the parish records into the 1800s.
I am now up to 5108 baptisms and just three pages left on the first fiche. There are three fiches for this time period (1642 - 1684) for the baptisms, marriages and burials. My excel file includes the fiche #, line # and image # to make finding the information again quite easy.
I had decided to resign from all of the county historical societies and other groups to which I have belonged for about five or six years and more in some cases except for the Guild of One Name Studies and I received an Exit Survey back for one of the organizations. It will be difficult to fill in because I resigned mostly because I was getting overloaded with journals and I simply couldn't read them all. Now I am in the mode of deciding which journals I found most beneficial to my work and that I consistently would read other than the Guild Journal. Leaving the Guild was too awkward which was the main reason for not retrenching completely!
I mostly blame it on being able to trace most of my lines and back quite a way. Having gotten back into the 1700s with all of them and further back for a number of them, I simply do not have enough hours in the day to do research. I need to make a decision on what I want to thoroughly research and what I will leave for someone else in the future if I am so lucky as to have someone pick all of this up :)
From what I understand though Cardinal Points are the first and last marriage in a quarter for each contributing institution (churches, court houses perhaps and licensed agencies). I do not know how marriages work in England outside of Churches. I am also noticing that each institution has a page of their own in the county registry office - for instance St Mary Abbotts Ann was page 37 and St Marys Andover was page 39 and all marriages are recorded on these pages in date order - all four marriages for Andover 3rd quarter 1837 were listed for page 39 in Free BMD. The single marriage for Abbotts Ann was listed. There were five other numbers 41, 43, 45, 47 and 49. Since Ludgershall would probably have at least as many marriages as Andover they are probably the second large one. Interestingly this Registration District crosses into Wiltshire. Since these numbers appear fixed it should be possible to determine which pages belong to which parishes and I shall see if I can figure that out as I have a number of Parishes that are in Andover RD.
Andover RD
Abbotts Ann St Mary
Amport St Mary
Andover St Mary
Appleshaw St Peter
Barton Stacey All Saints
Bullington St Michael
Chilbolton St Mary
Chute
Chute Forest
Faccombe St Barnabas
Foxcott
Fyfield St Nicholas
Goodworth Clatford St Peter
Grateley St Leonard
Hurstbourne Tarrant St Peter
Kimpton St Peter and St Paul
Knights Enham St Michael the Archangel
Linkenholt St Peter
Longparish St Nicholas
Ludgershall
Monxton St Mary
North Tidworth
Penton Grafton
Penton Mewsey Holy Trinity
Quarley St Michael
Shipton Bellinger St Peter
Smannell
South Tedworth Old St Mary
Tangley St Thomas
Thruxton St Peter
Upper Clatford All Saints
Vernhams Dean St Mary
Wherwell St Peter
I have the fiche for: Abbotts Ann, Andover, Goodworth Clatford, Kimpton, Knights Enham, Penton Mewsey and Upper Clatford. However, I do not always have the marriages from 1837 to 1912 for all of these parishes. I purchased them to look at the Blake families there and I wasn't interested past 1812 in most cases and not after 1750 for many of them although I did buy them into the 1800s.
I can trace my Blake line clearly back to the 1600s so did not have a strong need for the parish records into the 1800s.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
Mailbox
Today was clean up the mailbox day - reducing over 300 emails down to the 70 emails for which I need to do material things - due date for BIFHSGO journal is now; updates to the Genuki church locations (about 25 have collected over the past month with people visiting churches which is great); emails to new members of the Hampshire DNA group (my numbers have climbed this month); marriage challenges to check and see if there are any Pincombe or Siderfin marriages to find, and a few other items.
Still waiting for my death certificate for Mary Blake - I am hoping it is my great grandmother's registration as I still am missing her death date. I purchased an earlier one but it was incorrect although right time frame (1930). This one is 1928 and I think it may be right as the death was in Bridport where her son and his family lived. Referring to her as Mary seems strange as she was always Maria Jane or Maria on the census through the years including the 1911 census. Her husband Edward died in 1916 and I rather think that she and Great Aunt Annie lived together in the Yew Cottage at Goodworth Clatford until Annie married again in 1923. After that I know that she lived with each of her children for six months at a time because my father mentioned that about his grandmother whom he remembered. Since she wouldn't come to Canada they used to send money for her to have on a regular basis while she lived with her other children. Also Harry in Toronto did the same thing (my father's uncle).
Tomorrow another busy day with dancing in the evening. I want to scrub down the walls in the hallway and kitchen. That will almost finish the main floor. I need to enter the fiche into Library Thing and there is quite a bit to do there. I am in a "housecleaning mood" it would appear plus we want to get all of our books, music, and genealogical material into Library Thing as an inventory.
Still waiting for my death certificate for Mary Blake - I am hoping it is my great grandmother's registration as I still am missing her death date. I purchased an earlier one but it was incorrect although right time frame (1930). This one is 1928 and I think it may be right as the death was in Bridport where her son and his family lived. Referring to her as Mary seems strange as she was always Maria Jane or Maria on the census through the years including the 1911 census. Her husband Edward died in 1916 and I rather think that she and Great Aunt Annie lived together in the Yew Cottage at Goodworth Clatford until Annie married again in 1923. After that I know that she lived with each of her children for six months at a time because my father mentioned that about his grandmother whom he remembered. Since she wouldn't come to Canada they used to send money for her to have on a regular basis while she lived with her other children. Also Harry in Toronto did the same thing (my father's uncle).
Tomorrow another busy day with dancing in the evening. I want to scrub down the walls in the hallway and kitchen. That will almost finish the main floor. I need to enter the fiche into Library Thing and there is quite a bit to do there. I am in a "housecleaning mood" it would appear plus we want to get all of our books, music, and genealogical material into Library Thing as an inventory.
Sunday, October 4, 2009
Maria Jane Blake nee Knight
I have been looking for the Death Registration for my great grandmother Maria Jane married to Edward Blake 29 Oct 1870 at Upper Clatford about as long as I have been doing research (6 years). I have searched the GRO Index a number of times in the early days and came up with one possibility and ordered the certificate. It was incorrect as I was misinterpreting the family lore about her youngest son. Going back to England and meeting with his direct line I refocused my thoughts with regard to where Maria Jane was after Edward died 18 July 1916 at Yew Cottage Goodworth Clatford. With the arrival of the 1911 census I have discovered that Edward, Maria Jane and Henry were at Yew Cottage in 1911. I have also discovered that the marriages of Mary Elizabeth and Edith Kathryn were also at Goodworth Clatford in 1907 and 1911 respectively. I have also just found that Sarah Ann's second marriage (she was widowed during the first world war) was also at Goodworth Clatford in 1923. The death of Edward in 1916 and the death of George Mattocks (Sarah Ann's first husband) would have meant the mother and daughter were both widowed within a couple of weeks of each other and Sarah had a son who was six years old. I know that Sarah taught school at Upper Clatford on into the 1950s. Having now visited the area Sarah could easily have lived at Goodworth Clatford and taught school at Upper Clatford. I also know that Maria started living with all her children sometime in the 1920s and spending six months with each of her children before she died. With this information at hand I again searched the Death Registrations from 1923 on and I found five individuals who could conceivably be my great grandmother but the last one in the third quarter of 1928 caught my eye as she had died at Bridport. Bridport is where my grandfather's youngest brother lived and so I think I have now found Maria Jane but her name was listed as Mary and her age as 90. It is quite easy to make a mistake between 90 and 80 and Maria is found less commonly these days. There wasn't a Mary Blake on the 1911 census at Bridport born in 1850 plus or minus 5 years. I have now ordered the certificate and we shall see if my much longer think through has been more effective than my rambunctious thinking of my early days in Genealogy! Genealogy is always a surprise.
Still reading The Knights Templar and feel a real affinity with the book. They espouse my thoughts on the Celtic Church of England and its influence in those early years of Christianity. Although many say that Henry VIII was the root cause of the Church of England no longer being in communion with the Roman Church I tend to think that it was a process that had been at work for centuries as the Celtic wing of the Church gained supremacy with regard to their discussions with the monarchy. Henry had something he wanted and the Celtic Church knew a way for him to do it that allowed their wing to become the main wing of the Church of England.
I have to decide which wills and other documents to transcribe this week. I have done some of the easier ones and now it is probably time to try a few of the really hard to read ones! I have several really good ones that will be a test of the eyesight and patience. Initially one jumps at the BMBs and BMDs to find one's relative but gradually I have come to realize that I need so much more in terms of information in order to firmly tie down the particular line without a trace of doubt.
Still reading The Knights Templar and feel a real affinity with the book. They espouse my thoughts on the Celtic Church of England and its influence in those early years of Christianity. Although many say that Henry VIII was the root cause of the Church of England no longer being in communion with the Roman Church I tend to think that it was a process that had been at work for centuries as the Celtic wing of the Church gained supremacy with regard to their discussions with the monarchy. Henry had something he wanted and the Celtic Church knew a way for him to do it that allowed their wing to become the main wing of the Church of England.
I have to decide which wills and other documents to transcribe this week. I have done some of the easier ones and now it is probably time to try a few of the really hard to read ones! I have several really good ones that will be a test of the eyesight and patience. Initially one jumps at the BMBs and BMDs to find one's relative but gradually I have come to realize that I need so much more in terms of information in order to firmly tie down the particular line without a trace of doubt.
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Hinxman and Blake
We spent the morning at the Ottawa City Archives where the Ottawa Branch of the OGS has their library and we helped to sort through the books. We are moving from the present building to a brand new archives building at the end of next year and the plan is to catalogue the books using the Dewey Decimal system (modified for genealogy). Right now we are going through them to verify the current list.
This afternoon I decided to transcribe some documents that I purchased from the Hampshire Record Office a couple of years ago. This one was from 1685 and was an Indenture between Christian Hinxman (widow of Joseph Hinxman (first cousin to my 8x great grandfather William Blake)) and Thomas Barber. The interesting part is the description of the property which runs along beside Peter Blake at Clatford. This is William's brother and part of the proof that he is still alive in 1685 (he died shortly thereafter although appears on the 1686 Hampshire Visitation). I have a number of Hinxman documents in this time frame as I was trying to locate information on my William who, after completing his degree at Oxford and being an incumbent at a Church in Warwickshire for one year and then teaching in Staffordshire for one year, returned to Andover, married, they had four children (two survived), and then lived at Foxcott as far as I can tell the last twenty years of his life where he died in 1696. He does not leave a will. Finding information on him has proven to be very difficult. He sells off all of his leases over a 20 year period. One might think he was ill but he lived to be 81 years of age - outliving a number of his siblings. My 7x great grandfather (his grandson) only outlived him by 18 years (he was 29 when he died). It has led to a paucity of data on this particular timeperiod for my Blake line.
We also entered another 50 Music CDs into Library Thing and just have about the same left to do, one row of books on the bookcase which I missed as they were hidden behind the music CDs. Also we have decided to enter the records into Library Thing as well and the music tapes. Once I have entered all the fiche then our job is finished on this floor. Our little townhouse has three floors each one stuffed with books and other genealogical material for our lines.
This was our dancing lesson evening and we learned the Fox Trot. Actually I know how to dance although I am somewhat rusty. But we did extremely well with the Fox Trot.
This afternoon I decided to transcribe some documents that I purchased from the Hampshire Record Office a couple of years ago. This one was from 1685 and was an Indenture between Christian Hinxman (widow of Joseph Hinxman (first cousin to my 8x great grandfather William Blake)) and Thomas Barber. The interesting part is the description of the property which runs along beside Peter Blake at Clatford. This is William's brother and part of the proof that he is still alive in 1685 (he died shortly thereafter although appears on the 1686 Hampshire Visitation). I have a number of Hinxman documents in this time frame as I was trying to locate information on my William who, after completing his degree at Oxford and being an incumbent at a Church in Warwickshire for one year and then teaching in Staffordshire for one year, returned to Andover, married, they had four children (two survived), and then lived at Foxcott as far as I can tell the last twenty years of his life where he died in 1696. He does not leave a will. Finding information on him has proven to be very difficult. He sells off all of his leases over a 20 year period. One might think he was ill but he lived to be 81 years of age - outliving a number of his siblings. My 7x great grandfather (his grandson) only outlived him by 18 years (he was 29 when he died). It has led to a paucity of data on this particular timeperiod for my Blake line.
We also entered another 50 Music CDs into Library Thing and just have about the same left to do, one row of books on the bookcase which I missed as they were hidden behind the music CDs. Also we have decided to enter the records into Library Thing as well and the music tapes. Once I have entered all the fiche then our job is finished on this floor. Our little townhouse has three floors each one stuffed with books and other genealogical material for our lines.
This was our dancing lesson evening and we learned the Fox Trot. Actually I know how to dance although I am somewhat rusty. But we did extremely well with the Fox Trot.
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Blake and Hinxman Families - 2
I continued looking at the wills for the Blake and Hinxman families yesterday and comparing with the family tree that I have constructed for the Blake and Hinxman lines at Andover. Locating John Blake who died in 1796 at Abbotts Ann is part of that puzzle. Possibly he was married in Andover 9 Jun 1747 to Mary Dowling. Having located this marriage on the IGI I will investigate the Dowling family. A cursory glance reveals a Mary Dowling baptized at Upper Clatford 24 Nov 1728 with parents George Dowling and Ane. There is a George Doling married to Anne Lashley 4 Aug 1717 at Abbotts Ann. Needless to say all of these places are very close together and in the will of John Blake he remembers the Church at Upper Clatford as well as the Church at Abbotts Ann. Perhaps one more check back on this Dowling family in the IGI. There is a George Dowling (son of William and Alise Dowling) baptized at Goodworth Clatford 24 Nov 1695. There are three William Dowling marriages so that is the end of that thought on the IGI for the moment. None of these marriages leads to a Blake connection though. Looking at John Blake with a wife baptized 1728, I searched the IGI for a John Blake baptized 1720 + or - 10 years. There are no "extracted" entries for a baptism of a John Blake in the Andover area between 1710 and 1730. There are two patron entries that are interesting - Andover and Penton Mewsey. The Penton Mewsey family I do have some data on and this is a Blake family that were maltsters. Interesting thinking and will draw out some information from the registers to look at some of these possibilities - I have the registers for Abbotts Ann, Penton Mewsey and I am in the midst transcribing the registers for Andover. Likely I will let this sit for a bit until I reach this time period with the Andover Register. What I was looking for was a link between the King family at Upper Clatford and the Blake family at Abbotts Ann because they remember each other's children in their wills.
Few people have worked on the Hinxman family thus far. My correspondent on the Blake family and one descendant of the Jane Hinxman/Samuel Noyse family appear to be the only two on ancestry. There is on World Connect, however, a rather large listing of the Noyse family although the Noyse family at Andover does not appear to be linked into the rather extensive listings of the Noyse families in England. But no information on the Hinxman family. The Hinxman family is quite small on the census (less than 50 on 1841, 1851 and 1861) and mostly at West Deane Wiltshire. I do not actually think my answers lie with this family now that I have looked at their wills since they do not mention William Blake or his descendants. Ellener mentions only her brothers Peter and Nicholas and her two sisters married to Bayley and Savage. By the time of her will in the 1650s William and John have both died (her brothers), her sisters Elizabeth Hapgood (deceased) and Dorothy Burmington (not mentioned). Richard her brother is not mentioned although still known to be alive. None of her siblings children are mentioned. This has its pros and cons - not mentioning william's children doesn't mean that the links do not exist but on the other hand, a listing of these children in someone's will would be very handy - William b 1647, John b 1649.
One interesting fact is known that there were three Blake children all born between 1709 and 1717 (likely) who appeared to be linked in some way. My ancestor Thomas was baptized in 1709 at Andover and appears to be the only son of Thomas Blake and Mary Spring. John Blake who died in 1796 at Abbotts Ann was likely born in this time interval (he likely married in 1747 so could have been born as late as 1725 or 1726 but he was already established as a maltster and that might have been a challenge at a youngish age). Charles Blake (the other key to the puzzle of John Blake Maltster at Abbotts Ann's Will in 1792) married Mary Prince in 1737 at Abbotts Ann. The Prince family were landowners. the father of Charles Blake is also unknown and he was likely born by no latter than 1717. Edward Blake at Abbotts Ann has the longest history at Abbotts Ann but is not the father of either of these two since his children are baptized in the 1750s at Abbotts Ann. I need to look at Edward Blake and see if I can link him back to one of the Blake lines at Andover.
John Blake is the only one of the three men (John Blake, Charles Blake and my Thomas Blake) still alive when he wrote his will in 1792 but he remembers the child of Charles (also Charles) and the grandchildren of these two men. He does not, however, give anything to the second family of Charles (his first wife was Jane Gilbert whom I discussed earlier and her connection back to the Blake family). The Elizabeth Blake who is the ancestor of Jane Gilbert and whose mother was Elizabeth Hinxman is another clue in the puzzle. Finding the marriage of Elizabeth Hinxman to an unknown Blake would be most helpful as she is the mother of Thomas and Elizabeth Blake. Elizabeth married a Monk and then a Kidgell and it is from the Kidgell line that the Gilbert connection emerges. Not remembering the second set of children is quite significant I think and points back to the Gilbert connection as being the more important link to John Blake. But what is the link for my Thomas Blake? His mother Joanna King's father Thomas King remembers the daughter of John Blake in his will. But looking at John Blake's wife Mary Dowling who was actually baptized at Upper Clatford (John remembers the Church at Upper Clatford in his will) I do not find any link to the King family since Thomas King married Mary Carter. There does not appear to be a linkage there. Ann Blake (sister to Thomas Blake at Upper Clatford) appears to be keeping house for John Blake at Abbotts Ann but I wouldn't think that that would be a sufficient reason to remember her two brothers.
More things to ponder as I work my way back. I haven't really touched the Blake family for a long time but the contact from another Blake researcher has inspired me once again to look deeper at all the information and see what kind of linkages that I can find and especially I would like more evidence for the connection from William (b 1615) to John (b 1649) to Thomas (b 1685) to Thomas (b 1709). All baptisms at Andover and the registers appear to logically link these families but I am only up to the early 1630s for my line by line transcription. Surprises may lie in wait for me in this line.
Today I shall continue transcribing some of my records that I am finding to be most interesting and I want to read all the material that the other researcher has sent to me. I will construct more family trees on paper as visualizing the information is easiest for me on a large floor chart.
Few people have worked on the Hinxman family thus far. My correspondent on the Blake family and one descendant of the Jane Hinxman/Samuel Noyse family appear to be the only two on ancestry. There is on World Connect, however, a rather large listing of the Noyse family although the Noyse family at Andover does not appear to be linked into the rather extensive listings of the Noyse families in England. But no information on the Hinxman family. The Hinxman family is quite small on the census (less than 50 on 1841, 1851 and 1861) and mostly at West Deane Wiltshire. I do not actually think my answers lie with this family now that I have looked at their wills since they do not mention William Blake or his descendants. Ellener mentions only her brothers Peter and Nicholas and her two sisters married to Bayley and Savage. By the time of her will in the 1650s William and John have both died (her brothers), her sisters Elizabeth Hapgood (deceased) and Dorothy Burmington (not mentioned). Richard her brother is not mentioned although still known to be alive. None of her siblings children are mentioned. This has its pros and cons - not mentioning william's children doesn't mean that the links do not exist but on the other hand, a listing of these children in someone's will would be very handy - William b 1647, John b 1649.
One interesting fact is known that there were three Blake children all born between 1709 and 1717 (likely) who appeared to be linked in some way. My ancestor Thomas was baptized in 1709 at Andover and appears to be the only son of Thomas Blake and Mary Spring. John Blake who died in 1796 at Abbotts Ann was likely born in this time interval (he likely married in 1747 so could have been born as late as 1725 or 1726 but he was already established as a maltster and that might have been a challenge at a youngish age). Charles Blake (the other key to the puzzle of John Blake Maltster at Abbotts Ann's Will in 1792) married Mary Prince in 1737 at Abbotts Ann. The Prince family were landowners. the father of Charles Blake is also unknown and he was likely born by no latter than 1717. Edward Blake at Abbotts Ann has the longest history at Abbotts Ann but is not the father of either of these two since his children are baptized in the 1750s at Abbotts Ann. I need to look at Edward Blake and see if I can link him back to one of the Blake lines at Andover.
John Blake is the only one of the three men (John Blake, Charles Blake and my Thomas Blake) still alive when he wrote his will in 1792 but he remembers the child of Charles (also Charles) and the grandchildren of these two men. He does not, however, give anything to the second family of Charles (his first wife was Jane Gilbert whom I discussed earlier and her connection back to the Blake family). The Elizabeth Blake who is the ancestor of Jane Gilbert and whose mother was Elizabeth Hinxman is another clue in the puzzle. Finding the marriage of Elizabeth Hinxman to an unknown Blake would be most helpful as she is the mother of Thomas and Elizabeth Blake. Elizabeth married a Monk and then a Kidgell and it is from the Kidgell line that the Gilbert connection emerges. Not remembering the second set of children is quite significant I think and points back to the Gilbert connection as being the more important link to John Blake. But what is the link for my Thomas Blake? His mother Joanna King's father Thomas King remembers the daughter of John Blake in his will. But looking at John Blake's wife Mary Dowling who was actually baptized at Upper Clatford (John remembers the Church at Upper Clatford in his will) I do not find any link to the King family since Thomas King married Mary Carter. There does not appear to be a linkage there. Ann Blake (sister to Thomas Blake at Upper Clatford) appears to be keeping house for John Blake at Abbotts Ann but I wouldn't think that that would be a sufficient reason to remember her two brothers.
More things to ponder as I work my way back. I haven't really touched the Blake family for a long time but the contact from another Blake researcher has inspired me once again to look deeper at all the information and see what kind of linkages that I can find and especially I would like more evidence for the connection from William (b 1615) to John (b 1649) to Thomas (b 1685) to Thomas (b 1709). All baptisms at Andover and the registers appear to logically link these families but I am only up to the early 1630s for my line by line transcription. Surprises may lie in wait for me in this line.
Today I shall continue transcribing some of my records that I am finding to be most interesting and I want to read all the material that the other researcher has sent to me. I will construct more family trees on paper as visualizing the information is easiest for me on a large floor chart.
Sunday, December 7, 2008
Results of Research at Salt Lake City - 6 Dec 2008
No new work on the images from Salt Lake City today. I decided instead to look at Abbots Ann where my Pearce family lived. Elizabeth Pearce married John Coleman 7 Oct 1771 at Abbots Ann. John was baptized 13 Feb 1737 at Upper Clatford which seems to tell a tale of declining fortune in this family. The Coleman family had been Inn Keepers at Goodworth Clatford. His grandparents Clement and Katherine (Holeridge) Coleman had continuously held a licence there from 1716 to 1726 (Clement died in 1721). His father Clement was baptized at Goodworth Clatford 25 Oct 1704 and married to Dinah Bever (marriage date unknown which is a reminder that I need to check the fiche for Goodworth Clatford and Upper Clatford for this marriage as I work my way back). Elizabeth Pearce I hadn't been able to locate so decided to spend some time looking at the fiche for Abbots Ann and discovered Elizabeth Pearce's baptism 26 Jul 1739 although very very difficult to read. Her parents were William Pearce and Elizabeth. Possibly this is the marriage between William Pearce and Elizabeth Hopgood 25 Apr 1736 at Collingbourne Kingston as I can not find a marriage in this time frame in the Abbots Ann Register. There are two earlier Pearce marriages at Abbots Ann with one for a William and the other for a Peter (1707 and 1704). It was this Peter that attracted my attention as I found his Inn license from the 1720s time period at Abbots Ann. I have started to transcribe the register for Abbots Ann but it is a very slow process as the earliest register is one of the worst that I have seen. I did feel that this was a successful find though for Elizabeth Pearce.
I added Roberts to my webpage just to increase the possibility of locating descendants of this family line. Ellen Roberts married Thomas Taylor 29 Jun 1857 at Birmingham. She was less than 16 years old (b 18 Oct 1841; bap 6 Dec 1841 St Martin Birmingham), her mother had died two years earlier and the name of one of the witnesses at the marriage was the next door neighbour of this family on the 1841 census (Sarah Hadley) whom Thomas married 27 Dec 1859. Thomas himself died in 1860 or 1861 as he isn't alive on the 1861 census (Sarah is a widow with his three sons). This is my mtDNA line with my thought that this Ellen is the mother of my Ellen Taylor (b 9 Oct 1859 at Birmingham). Ellen Roberts had three brothers: Thomas (b 2 Sep 1843; bap 6 Nov 1843 St Martin Birmingham), James (b 5 Oct 1845; bap 8 Jan 1846 St Martin Birmingham), and Joseph (b 27 Sep 1847, bap 18 Oct 1847 St Martin Birmingham). Joseph was married to Mary Maria Odams Dec quarter 1869 at Aston Warwick. They had four children: Elizabeth b 1875, William b 1878, Alfred b 1885, Nellie b 1888 all born at Birmingham. The parents of Ellen Roberts were: Thomas Roberts and Ellen Lawley married 29 Nov 1840 at St Martins Birmingham. Ellen's father was Joseph Lawley and according to the census of 1851 Ellen was born at Wellington Shropshire. The possible trek back on my mtDNA continues to be brickwalled in the Midlands.
We attended the Opera Doctor Atomic at the theatre live streamed from the Met in New York City. It was my first event out since I took ill. I debated going as I am still having some pain in my ribs where I fell down but it ended up being quite practical. We sat near the level and by the edge as I didn't want anyone to accidentally knock me down! Opera was very well done.
Christmas Tree up this evening and will finish decorating when everyone is here tomorrow.
Finished proofreading Ed's UEL newsletter that he produced for the Branch. I want to continue to decrease my external commitments and I am looking at what else I can handoff or eliminate from my responsibilities. Although I enjoy the DNA work I have decided I do not really have time to become heavily involved in course writing which is one item that I have been mulling around. I have spent a fair amount of time reading and preparing but I do not think that I want to spend the time on it.
I added Roberts to my webpage just to increase the possibility of locating descendants of this family line. Ellen Roberts married Thomas Taylor 29 Jun 1857 at Birmingham. She was less than 16 years old (b 18 Oct 1841; bap 6 Dec 1841 St Martin Birmingham), her mother had died two years earlier and the name of one of the witnesses at the marriage was the next door neighbour of this family on the 1841 census (Sarah Hadley) whom Thomas married 27 Dec 1859. Thomas himself died in 1860 or 1861 as he isn't alive on the 1861 census (Sarah is a widow with his three sons). This is my mtDNA line with my thought that this Ellen is the mother of my Ellen Taylor (b 9 Oct 1859 at Birmingham). Ellen Roberts had three brothers: Thomas (b 2 Sep 1843; bap 6 Nov 1843 St Martin Birmingham), James (b 5 Oct 1845; bap 8 Jan 1846 St Martin Birmingham), and Joseph (b 27 Sep 1847, bap 18 Oct 1847 St Martin Birmingham). Joseph was married to Mary Maria Odams Dec quarter 1869 at Aston Warwick. They had four children: Elizabeth b 1875, William b 1878, Alfred b 1885, Nellie b 1888 all born at Birmingham. The parents of Ellen Roberts were: Thomas Roberts and Ellen Lawley married 29 Nov 1840 at St Martins Birmingham. Ellen's father was Joseph Lawley and according to the census of 1851 Ellen was born at Wellington Shropshire. The possible trek back on my mtDNA continues to be brickwalled in the Midlands.
We attended the Opera Doctor Atomic at the theatre live streamed from the Met in New York City. It was my first event out since I took ill. I debated going as I am still having some pain in my ribs where I fell down but it ended up being quite practical. We sat near the level and by the edge as I didn't want anyone to accidentally knock me down! Opera was very well done.
Christmas Tree up this evening and will finish decorating when everyone is here tomorrow.
Finished proofreading Ed's UEL newsletter that he produced for the Branch. I want to continue to decrease my external commitments and I am looking at what else I can handoff or eliminate from my responsibilities. Although I enjoy the DNA work I have decided I do not really have time to become heavily involved in course writing which is one item that I have been mulling around. I have spent a fair amount of time reading and preparing but I do not think that I want to spend the time on it.
Saturday, November 22, 2008
Results of Research at Salt Lake City - 21 Nov 2008
I completed the transcription for the Protestation Returns for Lanercost and I am now in proofreading mode. I have three entries that are somewhat curious but for the most part the transcription went very well. I will share this with the Routledge/Nixon/Hetherington/Foster/ study group. We have been working together for about two years now and the latest accumulation of data (Land Tax Assessments) has been most interesting in letting me look at my Oakshaw Routledge family. This is a family that dominated the area known as Oakshaw and included Parkhead, Flatt, Raw, Broderrigg and a few other places. My own direct line - Thomas Routledge and Elizabeth Routledge (both descendants of the Oakshaw Routledge family) emigrated to Canada in 1818 with their nine children, son in law and two grandsons. We still do not know if they came as a group but when they arrived they received land from Colonel Talbot in London Township. My 2x great grandmother would have been 14 years old when she arrived. I will continue the transcription of the Protestation Returns for Eskdale Ward since it will help other members of the group. I am primarily interested in Bewcastle (I already have this transcription from the Carlisle Record Office), Lanercost, Farlam, and Arthuret. Thomas and Elizabeth were second cousins once removed. My other names in Cumberland are Tweddle, Story, Robson and Bushby thus far. All the rest appear to be Routledge and the Oakshaw family were known for marrying first, second and third cousins thus keeping all of their properties in the family.
My other project yesterday was to work on my Hampshire webpages and I have two new Church photographs to put up but the server is being upgraded this weekend so will have to wait until next week. I have a number of pictures that we took at Upper Clatford, Abbots Ann, and Goodworth Clatford that I will add as well. I would like to start adding to the pages of Genuki Hampshire but at the moment the site really works very well and the OPC site is growing quickly. The Knight family has done a really terrific job of setting this up and my little bit of advertisement on Genuki at least gives it another avenue for people to see it, add to it and use it. I did the Knights Enham records and I am working on Abbotts Ann and it is truly a labour of love as the old records are very very difficult to read.
Today we have company to look at our slides from England - these are whittled down to just 1200 but we have maintained the daily integrity so that we can just pass by days that they have seen and do not want to repeat. We will do hors d'oeuvres around 4:00 and I am going to make mini Shepherd's pie, cheese baking powder biscuits and a salad tray with dip just to give it an English flair. For dinner, a sirloin tip roast of beef, garlic mashed potatoes, roasted carrots and green beans with a chicken soup to start. Red wine from Niagara will complete the main course with condiments of pickled beets and sweet and sour pickles. For dessert we will have pound cake (300 grams of butter, 5 eggs, 600 mls of sugar and 700 mls of flour), pumpkin custard, and liqueur. Then tea or coffee as we watch the last of the slides. We have owed this dinner invitation for about two years! Somehow genealogy has completely dominated our lives and we spend hours and hours each day working on our family lines plus doing the group work that keeps genealogy publication moving along.
My other project yesterday was to work on my Hampshire webpages and I have two new Church photographs to put up but the server is being upgraded this weekend so will have to wait until next week. I have a number of pictures that we took at Upper Clatford, Abbots Ann, and Goodworth Clatford that I will add as well. I would like to start adding to the pages of Genuki Hampshire but at the moment the site really works very well and the OPC site is growing quickly. The Knight family has done a really terrific job of setting this up and my little bit of advertisement on Genuki at least gives it another avenue for people to see it, add to it and use it. I did the Knights Enham records and I am working on Abbotts Ann and it is truly a labour of love as the old records are very very difficult to read.
Today we have company to look at our slides from England - these are whittled down to just 1200 but we have maintained the daily integrity so that we can just pass by days that they have seen and do not want to repeat. We will do hors d'oeuvres around 4:00 and I am going to make mini Shepherd's pie, cheese baking powder biscuits and a salad tray with dip just to give it an English flair. For dinner, a sirloin tip roast of beef, garlic mashed potatoes, roasted carrots and green beans with a chicken soup to start. Red wine from Niagara will complete the main course with condiments of pickled beets and sweet and sour pickles. For dessert we will have pound cake (300 grams of butter, 5 eggs, 600 mls of sugar and 700 mls of flour), pumpkin custard, and liqueur. Then tea or coffee as we watch the last of the slides. We have owed this dinner invitation for about two years! Somehow genealogy has completely dominated our lives and we spend hours and hours each day working on our family lines plus doing the group work that keeps genealogy publication moving along.
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