To really determine if the matches that you see are real you need to triangulate the results and I finally have a set of results where I can do that.
My Pincombe family which has been slow to work on in terms of DNA has proven to be my first family where I can triangulate results. This is an interesting family and it is also one of my one name studies so I have been looking at the paper/microfilmed records since 2006. The study was first begun in the 1930s by a young family doctor in England who was in the mid 1990s approaching his mid 90s and had to give up his research due to failing eyesight. But in 65 years he collected a lot of material including making abstracts of the Pincombe/Pinkham wills located at the Devon Record Office prior to the bombing of that office during World War II. Even better he deposited that material at the Society of Genealogists where a fourth cousin of mine (Pincombe) made copies of his charts and sent them off to me (she was not aware of the will abstracts at that time, I found them on a visit to the SOG library in 2013). His premise along with another researcher from the United States was that the Pincombe and the Pinkham family shared common ancestry and looking at the family charts that he produced this does appear to be the case where Pincombe and Pinkham were used interchangeably in several of the these families' trees. My own line at Bishops Nympton/South Molton/North Molton and area used the Pincomb/Pincombe spelling with no exceptions thus far. Although here in Canada my great grandfather and his family were recorded on the census as Pinkham once. I think that must have brought a sharp rebuke on his part as it was considered to be extremely important to get the spelling of this name right and that carried on right down to my mother and her brother - essential to spell the name Pincombe!
The story really begins in Bishops Molton Devon where Richard Pincombe (son of William Pincombe and Emotte Snow) first appears in the parish registers there baptizing his son William along with his wife Anne. The next appearance is the burial of his wife and a young daughter and all of this occurring between 1598 and 1601. Richard remarried at Bishops Nympton and it is these two lines of his that form the Pincombe families that are found in Bishops Nympton right up to the middle of the 20th century. My mother knew her family line back to John Pincombe and Grace Manning who married at Bishops Nympton 20 Mar 1725 and baptized three children there:
William Pincombe baptized 20 Jun 1727 and married to Grace Smyth 13 Jun 1758 at North Molton (Grace's parents were John Smyth and Grace Shapland). They had one son William who was 21 years of age when he died and his parents both died in 1783.
John Pincombe baptized 13 Feb 1728 and married to Mary Charley/Charlie 8 Nov 1767 at Bishops Nympton. They had six children. Mary is perhaps the daughter of Hugh and Mary Charley of Kentisbury or of Richard and Joan Charley of Comb Martin (the second one is a new possibility suggested to me by a cousin (by DNA testing). All of their children married and the lines at Bishops Nympton come from these children or from the children of John Pincombe and Johane Blackmoore who married 25 Sep 1655 also at Bishops Nympton.
Grace baptized 7 Mar 1732 and married to John Butcher 31 Mar 1755 at Bishops Nympton. They had four children with two dying as infants and Grace herself was buried 16 Jun 1763 at Bishops Nympton.
I decided that to do a good job on this one name study I needed to understand my family very well and that has been a good tactic for me. Others go into one name study to find their family lines but in my case my lines were known to me in both Blake and Pincombe for centuries back. Hence I could provide material that could help people to either belong to my lines or eliminate all of them and concentrate in another area. Then DNA became the tool of the day and I decided to try and use it to look at the one name study for the Pincombe/Pinkham family.
It was an almost immediate failure as the yDNA of known long standing Pinkham lines did not match the yDNA result of my fifth cousin in Australia. I moved back from looking at yDNA but then autosomal DNA became more interesting and available and I suddenly had a couple of cousins that I could triangulate results to give me sections of chromosome that I could label Pincombe. That has moved along somewhat and I would now like to separate those "Pincombe" areas into "Rew," "Rowcliffe," and "Charley/Charlie." That will require more matches but I wanted to be ready to do that and so I charted the common areas thus far in our joint Pincombe ancestry.
The two individuals that I have so far with known Pincombe ancestry with respect to mine are a fourth cousin and a third cousin once removed. In all cases my siblings match these two individuals better than I do. The advantage to testing siblings is becoming more and more apparent as autosomal testing begins to dominate family studies other than straight line back yDNA studies. I know that Chromosome 6 and Chromosome 11 both contain matches with three sets of people (where my siblings and I constitute one set) and we know that we all share the same common ancestry from Robert Pincombe and Elizabeth Rowcliffe who married at Bishops Nympton 7 Jun 1803 and Robert was a son of John Pincombe and Mary Charley/Charlie mentioned earlier. Robert and Elizabeth had eight children and one of these children emigrated to the United States, two emigrated to Canada (a third also emigrated but was lost in the sinking of the Bark John in 1855 along with his entire family), one emigrated to Australia but his family remained in England, two others remained in England with one marrying and the eighth died at fifteen years of age. The Canadian family is mine and one of the sons of one of the emigrant families married a daughter of the other emigrant family thus creating a rather good set of Pincombe results for DNA investigation to compare with descendants which may enable the marking of sections as mentioned above (the wifes of these Pincombe men).
More results are coming so I should soon be able to report on this triangulation effort and assist other Pincombe descendants who suspect they may be related to this particular Pincombe line. Since I have for the most part traced down all of the lines from Richard first at Bishops Nympton in 1598, I am able to help people link to my line. I would like to do the same with other Pincombe families who also emigrated to Canada as I suspect they are descendant of the Bishops Nympton/North Molton/South Molton Pincombe families. This will be a rather interesting tool I think but needs more people to test their autosomal DNA who have Pincombe ancestry.
I also have Pinkham autosomal results and knowing that this surname was not used in my line by the holders throughout the centuries it is not likely that we will find common points of ancestry between us and that is the case thus far but some of the Pincombe/Pinkham lines did use the surname interchangeably so these lines may be assisted by autosomal testing once we have built up a large enough set of data to utilize in that regard. The test though is limited to fourth cousin or less for largish chunks of autosomal DNA to match but there could be over time smaller chunks of DNA that could be attached to particular surnames although I like to work with 10 centimorgan lengths but time will tell just how small a chunk could be labeled. DNA is a new field and evolving rapidly. When my husband and I first tested back in 2006 it was a novelty. I did it to see my route out of Africa for both my maternal and paternal lines (my brother kindly tested for me).
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Friday, January 31, 2014
Will of Robert Blake of Andover, Hampshire - The Hampshire Record Office 1678A-10, probated 24 Dec 1678
Robert Blake of Andover is the Testator. He was possibly buried at Andover although does ask to be buried at Knights Enham. The burial in the Andover Parish Register was 7 October 1678. He was buried in woolen and referred to as Mr Robert Blake. He mentions a son John but there wasn’t a John baptized to Robert Blake at Andover in this time frame. The only John is baptized by William Blake.
There are children baptized by a Mr Edward Blake (a brother Edward was mentioned in the will below) at Andover (and his wife was Margery with children John, Peter, Mary). Edward was buried 15 Mar 1653 (and he was of Charlton) and Robert speaks of his son as being under 21 at the time of writing of his will. Was this Robert Blake young (ie under 40)?
I have not done very much work on the Robert Blake line as most of it was prepared by Charlou Dolan and blogged by me earlier (I am still in the process of verifying dates with the Andover Register):
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/02/robert-blake-family-at-knights-enham.html
Names mentioned in the will
Robert Blake, gent, Andover, testator
Hester Blake, wife of Robert the testator
John Francis, land owner
John Blake, son of testator, under 21 years possibly as not 21 when will was written
James Blake, second son of testator’s brother Edward
Edward Blake, brother of testator, deceased
William Goodale, land owner
William Beare, land owner
Richard Dennett, land owner
John Linlay, land owner
Robert Blake, son of the testator’s brother Richard
Richard Blake, brother of testator
Joane Blake, niece, goddaughter of testator, sister of Robert (daughter of Richard)
Mary Blake, niece, sister of Robert (daughter of Richard)
Francis Lap
Mrs Abagail Blake, sister in law of testator
Mr John Taylor, brother in law of testator
Mrs Sara Taylor, wife of John Taylor
Mr Edward Pile, cousin of testatorm overseer
Mr John Taylor, father in law of testator, overseer
Samuel Spring, witness
Gabriell Hancocke, witness
George Potticary, witness
Peter Bankes, witness
Ann Holdway, witness
Thomas Feilder, accessor
Richard Butcher, accessor
Mr Edward Blake who was buried in 1653 lived at Foxcott (near Charlton and often Charlton is considered part of Foxcott and the testator mentions Charleton). I have three baptisms for Edward and Margery’s children at Andover: John baptized 19 Sep 1630, Peter baptized 25 Jun 1632 and Mary baptized 19 Mar 1633. The testator names brothers Edward and Richard. I need to do a little work on separating out the families at Andover in this time period but will read the other wills that I have for this time period first. Interestingly there is a baptism for John Blake son of Robert and Esther Blake 2 Jun 1668 at Devizes St Mary in Wiltshire.
That thought reminded me that I have been through this thinking pattern before and it is the will of Hester Blake, widow, living at Winchester who left her will which was probated 5 Oct 1689. She remembers family members in her will by the name of Taylor but does not mention her father John Taylor who is perhaps deceased but does mention her uncle William Taylor living at Eaton Wiltshire.
Hester’s will was blogged:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/10/will-of-hester-blake-widow-winton.html
Thus John (son of the testator) has survived at least to 1689. I do not believe this is my ancestor who married by 1683 to Elizabeth (unknown) and I have not yet found their marriage. Their first son was John who died as an infant in 1683. In total they had eleven children but did not name even one Robert or one Hester. Although it is fascinating finding this will with an elusive John Blake who was in the right time frame I am confident that he is not my ancestor.
Would Robert and Hester have married at Devizes where there was a John baptized in 1668 (he would have been 21 when his mother died? Her aunt lived at Bromham which is just 3 miles from Devizes. Working on the other Blake wills at Andover may help to put this Robert Blake line together.
The inventory is very interesting and I have blogged it as well.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 30 Jan 2014
Source: Hampshire Record Office, 1678A-10
Testator: Robert Blake
Place: Andover, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 19 Sep 1678, probated 24 Dec 1678
Condition: 17th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: 1678A-10
1 The Nineteenth day of Septemb[e]r in the yeere of o[u]r Lord One Thousand Sixe hundred Seventy and Eight
2 I Robert Blake of Andever in the County of South[amp]ton gent being sick and weake in body but of sound
3 and perfect mind and good memory (praised be my God) revoking all former Wills and Testam[ent]ts
4 doe make and ordine this my last Will and Testament in manner and forme following
5 First and before all World respects I com[m]end my Soule to God my heavenly father that gave
6 it Who of his free grace and exceeding riches of his love hath redeemed it by the blood of his onely
7 son my Saviour o[u]r Lord Jesus Christ and my body to be decently interred in the Church of
8 Knights Enham at the discretion of my executrix hereaft[e]r named to rest in assured hope to be partaker of the
9 resurrection of the Just And as concerning those goods and worldly estate w[hi]ch it hath pleased God
10 of his abundant goodness to blesse me w[i]thall I give and bestow the same in manner and forme
11 following Inprimis I give unto the poore of the Tithing of Charleton in the parish of Andover
12 aforesaid the som[m]e of Five pounds Twenty Shillings whereof to be distributed amongst them
13 at or shortly after the time of my Funerall and th[e]oth[e]r Foure pounds w[i]thin the space of One
14 yeere then next ensuing at Foure quarterly payments to be distributed amongst them at the
15 discretion of my executrix Item I give to the poore of the Borough of Andever Forty Shillings
16 to be distributed amongst them in bread at or neere the time of my Funerall at the discretion
17 of my executrix Item I give unto such preacher as shall preach my fun[er]all sermon Twenty
18 Shillings Item whereas I have formerly made a Conveyance and settlement of my lands
19 lying in Charleton aforesaid w[hi[ch] were heretyfore purchased of one John Francis unto div[er]se uses
20 herein conteined and expressed the Remainder thereof unto me my heires and assignes Now my
21 Will and meaning is that if John my onely child shall happen to decease before his age of Twenty
22 and One yeeres or marriage Then in such case I give devise and bequeath the same lands and
23 all my estate therein after my Wyves life unto James Blake (second son of my brother Edward
24 Blake deceased) his heires and assignes for ever Whereas I am seised of an estate of
25 inheritance in Fee simple of and in certeine lands lying in Charleton aforesaid being reputed to be
26 a yardlandslying in Charleton aforesaid com[m]only called by the name of Crookebeggs being
27 heretofore the lands of the Lord Sandys and also of and in certain other lands lying in Charlton
28 aforesaid w[hi]ch I have lately purchased of William Goodale William Beare Richard Dennett and John
29 Linelay I give devise and bequeath the same lands unto my son John To have and to Hold unto him
30 and to the heires of his body lawfully to be begotten But in case my son John shall happen to
31 decease before his age of Twenty and one yeeres or marriage Then in such case I give and
32 bequeath the same lands unto Hester my welbeloved wife for and during soe long time as she shall
33 live sole and unmarried And after her marriage or decease I give and devise the same unto
34 Robert Blake (son of my broth[e]r Richard Blake) his heires and assignes for ever Provided allwayes and my
35 Will and meaning is that in case the same lands shall happen to come unto the said Robert Blake
36 That then he the said Robert Blake shall w[i]thin the space of Sixe yeeres then next ensuing paye
37 unto Joane Blake my Goddaughter and sist[e]r of him the said Robert the som[m]e of One hundred pounds
38 in case she shalbe then living And in case she shalbe then dead Then my Will is that the same One
39 hundred pounds be paid unto Mary another sist[e]r of the said Robert in case she be then living And
40 my Will is that my said lands shalbe chargable and liable to the payment thereof unto them as it
41 shall happen Item I give and bequeath unto the said Joane Blake Five pounds to be paid unto
43 her at her age of Twenty and One yeeres or day of marriage w[hi]ch shall first happen the same to
44 be paid of out of such moneys as her father oweth unto me in case the same shalbe received by my
45 executrix or my son John from him the said Richard Blake her father and not otherwise to be
46 paid unto her Item I give and bequeath unto my Wife Hester the som[m]e of Two hundred pounds
47 All the rest and residuye of moneys and debts whatsoever due and owing unto me on Mortgage
48 Bonds Bills penalties or by Booke Contract or otherwise howsoever together w[i]th the whole advantange
49 benefit to be made of them or any of them for or by reason of any forfeiture or forfeitures of
[signed with Robert Blake’s signature at the bottom of first page] Robert Blake
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50 them or any of them in land or money or elsewise howsoever [obliterated]
51 chamber in Lincolnes Inne w[hi]ch I purchased of and from Francis Lap Esq[uie]r (my debts legacies
52 and funeral expencs out of the same being deducted dischardged paid) I give and bequeath
53 the same unto my son John To have and to hold unto him his heires executo[r]s administrato[r]s and
54 assignes for ever Whom I charge as the Words of a tender and loving father that as he may
55 expect the blessing of God on him and his to be obedient and dutifull unto his mother and
56 to hearken as well unto her Counsell admonition and advice as also of my Overseers
57 hereinafter named Provided all ways and my Will and meaning is that my Wife shall have the disposal
58 ordering and management in trust of all my estate aswell reall as personal herein
59 before by me given and bequeathed unto my son until such time as he shall accomplish
60 his age of Twenty and One yeeres in case she shall live soe long sole and unmarried
61 But in case she shall happen to marry Then my Will is that my son shall have the benefit
62 and the management and disposal thereof and my Wife and such second husband not to have
63 any intermeddling therew[i]th And my Will and meaning is that in eyther case my Wife
64 shalbe accomptable unto my son of such profit benefit and advantage as she shall make
65 receive and have during such her ordering disposal and management thereof she being
66 allowed and deducting and defalking out of the same all such reasonable charges expences
67 and disbursements w[hi]ch she shalbe putt onto aswell in and about the maintenance education
68 and bringing up of my son (whom I would have to be brought up in learning and in such manner
69 as my Wife shalbe thereonto advised by my Overseers hereaft[e]r named) as also in and about the
70 execution of my Trust in her reposed as aforesaid And in case my son shall happen to decease
71 before his age of Twenty and One yeeres or marriage Then all my debts personal estate and
72 benyfitt of my Mortgage herein before bequeathed unto him shall remayne unto my executrix I make
73 and ordeine my Wife to be the sole executrix of this my last Will and Testament And my Will is
74 that mourning rings shalbe given by her unto Mrs Abigail Blake my sist[e]r in law Mr John Taylor arm and unto
75 his wife Mr Richard Blake my brother and Mrs Sara Taylor my sist[e]r in law And I intreat my loving Cousin
76 Mr Edward Pile and my loving father in law Mr John Taylor theld[e]r to be Overseers of this my last
77 Will and Testament intreating them to be ayding and assisting unto my executrix in the performance of the same
78 And I give unto each of them as alsoe unto the Wife of my said Cousin Pile a mourning ring to weare in
79 remembrance of me In Wittnes Whereof I have to this my Will conteyning Two sheets of paper
80 subscribed my name to the first sheete and to the last sheete sett my hand and seale and declared the
81 same to be my last Will and Testament the day and yeere abovewritten
82 Robert Blake
83 Signed sealed and declared in the p[re]sence of Samuel Spring Gabriell Hancocke George Potticary Peter Bankes Ann (the marke of) X Holdway
84 Vicesimo quarto die mensis Decembris Anno d[omi]ni 1678
85 Probatum fuit humoi testamentum in commisa forma coram
86 venti viro Waltera Darell Sacre Theologie Professore Archi[diaco]no
87 Archinatus Winton[iensis] Comissa adue Executrici in humoi Testament
88 nominat etc de bene etc deg solvenda debita et legata etc
Jurat p[er]sonata juxta etc Salvo ___ __________
[Page 3]
89 A true and perfect Inventory
90 of all and Singuler the goods and Chattalls
91 of Robert Blake late of Andover in the
92 County of South[amp]ton gent deceased
93 taken and appraised the thirtieth
94 day of October in the yeere of o[u] Lord
95 1678 by us Thomas Feilder and Richard
96 Butcher whose names are under
97 written as followeth
98 I £ s d
99 Impris His Wearing appareill his Watch and Goldring x 0 0
100 In the Kitchin
101 Item One long Table board and Frame
102 One little Table board and Frame
103 One Bacon Rack One trancher
104 Rack Five Joynd Stooles Foure
105 Wooden Chaires One
106 Cupboard and Iron Jack one
107 Iron bonk one paire of greate xi xv __
108 Andirons one paire of little
109 Andirons one paire of Tongs
110 One Fire pan One Fender
111 Three Broaches Two dripping
112 pans One paire of Bellowes
113 One Screene and other small utensills
114 In the Studdy
115 Item One deskbord and Bookes and Shelves v 0 0
116 In the parlour
117 Item One Table board and Frame one
118 little Table board and Frame one
119 dozen of Red leather chaires
120 One paire of Brasse Andirons iiij iiij __
121 One Fire pan and tongs One little
122 paire of brasse Andirons Two
123 Red Courpotts and two red Window
124 Curtaines
125 In the pantrey
126 Item One Safe one little Table board
127 One Meals Tubb and Flower 0 x 0
128 Tubb One little chaire one little
129 Stoole and Frying pan and other
130 Small utensills
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131 In the Celler
132 Item Seaven Barrells One
133 powdering Tubb Three
134 Tubbs one Silt Two kivers j vj viij
135 one Meshingvate one Tin
136 boile Four Woodden Horses
137 and other Small utensills
138 In the Great Chamb[e]r
139 Item One Standing Bedsteed with
140 Cord and Matt one Feather bed
141 one Feather Bolster Two
142 downe pillows one white
143 Rugge One Counter paine
144 and paire of Blancketts with
145 curtaines and veileants Sixe xxvj viiij ij
146 Wrought Chaires Two
147 Wrought Stooles One Couch
148 Two little side Table boards
149 One paire of Brasse Andirons
150 One Brasse Fire pan one
151 paire of Brasse Tongs Two
152 looking Glasses One Frame
153 with escutcheons and Armes
154 wrought in needleworke
155 In the Little Chamber next to the greate Chamber
156 Item One Standing Bedsteed with
157 Cord and Matt one Feather bed
158 One Feather Bolster Two
159 Feather Pillowes One rugge
160 One paire of Blancketts One v xiiij iiij
161 Joynd Presse and One paire of
162 Curteines and Veilants
163 In the Chamber over the Parlour and in the Maides Chamber
164 Item One Standing Bedsteed with
165 Cord and Matt Curtaines
166 veilants rods and one Feather Bed and
167 Bolster Two Feather Pillowes
168 and rugge Two Blanketts One
169 Chest of drawers Three
170 Trunkes One wicker Chaire and three xij vij __
171 other chaires and one looking Glasse
172 One low Bedsteed Two Feather Beds
173 Two Feather Bolsters Two Feather
174 Pillowes Two ruggs Two paire of
175 Blancketts and other small utensills
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176 Item In plate xij 0 0
177 Item In Linnen x 0 0
178 Item In Pewter vij x 0
179 Item In Brasse ij x 0
180 Item One Horse with Saddle and Bridle ij x 0
181 In the Backside
182 Item In Wood x 0 0
183 Item In Hay iij 0 0
184 Item Corne in the Barne iij 0 0
185 Item Two Stockes of Bees 0 xij 0
186 Item A Bedsteed and Bedding at his
187 Chamb[e]r in Lincolns Inne ij x 0
188 Item In Spereits debts and upon
189 Bonds Bills Mortgages and other d 0 0
190 Specilties
191 The somme of this Inventory comes to dcxxi xvij v
192 In desperate debts cl 0 0
193 Item for things forgotten iij 0 0
194 Thomas Feilder
195 Richard Butcher
196 Sum total 775 18 8
197
There are children baptized by a Mr Edward Blake (a brother Edward was mentioned in the will below) at Andover (and his wife was Margery with children John, Peter, Mary). Edward was buried 15 Mar 1653 (and he was of Charlton) and Robert speaks of his son as being under 21 at the time of writing of his will. Was this Robert Blake young (ie under 40)?
I have not done very much work on the Robert Blake line as most of it was prepared by Charlou Dolan and blogged by me earlier (I am still in the process of verifying dates with the Andover Register):
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/02/robert-blake-family-at-knights-enham.html
Names mentioned in the will
Robert Blake, gent, Andover, testator
Hester Blake, wife of Robert the testator
John Francis, land owner
John Blake, son of testator, under 21 years possibly as not 21 when will was written
James Blake, second son of testator’s brother Edward
Edward Blake, brother of testator, deceased
William Goodale, land owner
William Beare, land owner
Richard Dennett, land owner
John Linlay, land owner
Robert Blake, son of the testator’s brother Richard
Richard Blake, brother of testator
Joane Blake, niece, goddaughter of testator, sister of Robert (daughter of Richard)
Mary Blake, niece, sister of Robert (daughter of Richard)
Francis Lap
Mrs Abagail Blake, sister in law of testator
Mr John Taylor, brother in law of testator
Mrs Sara Taylor, wife of John Taylor
Mr Edward Pile, cousin of testatorm overseer
Mr John Taylor, father in law of testator, overseer
Samuel Spring, witness
Gabriell Hancocke, witness
George Potticary, witness
Peter Bankes, witness
Ann Holdway, witness
Thomas Feilder, accessor
Richard Butcher, accessor
Mr Edward Blake who was buried in 1653 lived at Foxcott (near Charlton and often Charlton is considered part of Foxcott and the testator mentions Charleton). I have three baptisms for Edward and Margery’s children at Andover: John baptized 19 Sep 1630, Peter baptized 25 Jun 1632 and Mary baptized 19 Mar 1633. The testator names brothers Edward and Richard. I need to do a little work on separating out the families at Andover in this time period but will read the other wills that I have for this time period first. Interestingly there is a baptism for John Blake son of Robert and Esther Blake 2 Jun 1668 at Devizes St Mary in Wiltshire.
That thought reminded me that I have been through this thinking pattern before and it is the will of Hester Blake, widow, living at Winchester who left her will which was probated 5 Oct 1689. She remembers family members in her will by the name of Taylor but does not mention her father John Taylor who is perhaps deceased but does mention her uncle William Taylor living at Eaton Wiltshire.
Hester’s will was blogged:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/10/will-of-hester-blake-widow-winton.html
Thus John (son of the testator) has survived at least to 1689. I do not believe this is my ancestor who married by 1683 to Elizabeth (unknown) and I have not yet found their marriage. Their first son was John who died as an infant in 1683. In total they had eleven children but did not name even one Robert or one Hester. Although it is fascinating finding this will with an elusive John Blake who was in the right time frame I am confident that he is not my ancestor.
Would Robert and Hester have married at Devizes where there was a John baptized in 1668 (he would have been 21 when his mother died? Her aunt lived at Bromham which is just 3 miles from Devizes. Working on the other Blake wills at Andover may help to put this Robert Blake line together.
The inventory is very interesting and I have blogged it as well.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 30 Jan 2014
Source: Hampshire Record Office, 1678A-10
Testator: Robert Blake
Place: Andover, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 19 Sep 1678, probated 24 Dec 1678
Condition: 17th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: 1678A-10
1 The Nineteenth day of Septemb[e]r in the yeere of o[u]r Lord One Thousand Sixe hundred Seventy and Eight
2 I Robert Blake of Andever in the County of South[amp]ton gent being sick and weake in body but of sound
3 and perfect mind and good memory (praised be my God) revoking all former Wills and Testam[ent]ts
4 doe make and ordine this my last Will and Testament in manner and forme following
5 First and before all World respects I com[m]end my Soule to God my heavenly father that gave
6 it Who of his free grace and exceeding riches of his love hath redeemed it by the blood of his onely
7 son my Saviour o[u]r Lord Jesus Christ and my body to be decently interred in the Church of
8 Knights Enham at the discretion of my executrix hereaft[e]r named to rest in assured hope to be partaker of the
9 resurrection of the Just And as concerning those goods and worldly estate w[hi]ch it hath pleased God
10 of his abundant goodness to blesse me w[i]thall I give and bestow the same in manner and forme
11 following Inprimis I give unto the poore of the Tithing of Charleton in the parish of Andover
12 aforesaid the som[m]e of Five pounds Twenty Shillings whereof to be distributed amongst them
13 at or shortly after the time of my Funerall and th[e]oth[e]r Foure pounds w[i]thin the space of One
14 yeere then next ensuing at Foure quarterly payments to be distributed amongst them at the
15 discretion of my executrix Item I give to the poore of the Borough of Andever Forty Shillings
16 to be distributed amongst them in bread at or neere the time of my Funerall at the discretion
17 of my executrix Item I give unto such preacher as shall preach my fun[er]all sermon Twenty
18 Shillings Item whereas I have formerly made a Conveyance and settlement of my lands
19 lying in Charleton aforesaid w[hi[ch] were heretyfore purchased of one John Francis unto div[er]se uses
20 herein conteined and expressed the Remainder thereof unto me my heires and assignes Now my
21 Will and meaning is that if John my onely child shall happen to decease before his age of Twenty
22 and One yeeres or marriage Then in such case I give devise and bequeath the same lands and
23 all my estate therein after my Wyves life unto James Blake (second son of my brother Edward
24 Blake deceased) his heires and assignes for ever Whereas I am seised of an estate of
25 inheritance in Fee simple of and in certeine lands lying in Charleton aforesaid being reputed to be
26 a yardlands
27 heretofore the lands of the Lord Sandys and also of and in certain other lands lying in Charlton
28 aforesaid w[hi]ch I have lately purchased of William Goodale William Beare Richard Dennett and John
29 Linelay I give devise and bequeath the same lands unto my son John To have and to Hold unto him
30 and to the heires of his body lawfully to be begotten But in case my son John shall happen to
31 decease before his age of Twenty and one yeeres or marriage Then in such case I give and
32 bequeath the same lands unto Hester my welbeloved wife for and during soe long time as she shall
33 live sole and unmarried And after her marriage or decease I give and devise the same unto
34 Robert Blake (son of my broth[e]r Richard Blake) his heires and assignes for ever Provided allwayes and my
35 Will and meaning is that in case the same lands shall happen to come unto the said Robert Blake
36 That then he the said Robert Blake shall w[i]thin the space of Sixe yeeres then next ensuing paye
37 unto Joane Blake my Goddaughter and sist[e]r of him the said Robert the som[m]e of One hundred pounds
38 in case she shalbe then living And in case she shalbe then dead Then my Will is that the same One
39 hundred pounds be paid unto Mary another sist[e]r of the said Robert in case she be then living And
40 my Will is that my said lands shalbe chargable and liable to the payment thereof unto them as it
41 shall happen Item I give and bequeath unto the said Joane Blake Five pounds to be paid unto
43 her at her age of Twenty and One yeeres or day of marriage w[hi]ch shall first happen the same to
44 be paid of out of such moneys as her father oweth unto me in case the same shalbe received by my
45 executrix or my son John from him the said Richard Blake her father and not otherwise to be
46 paid unto her Item I give and bequeath unto my Wife Hester the som[m]e of Two hundred pounds
47 All the rest and residuye of moneys and debts whatsoever due and owing unto me on Mortgage
48 Bonds Bills penalties or by Booke Contract or otherwise howsoever together w[i]th the whole advantange
49 benefit to be made of them or any of them for or by reason of any forfeiture or forfeitures of
[signed with Robert Blake’s signature at the bottom of first page] Robert Blake
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50 them or any of them in land or money or elsewise howsoever [obliterated]
51 chamber in Lincolnes Inne w[hi]ch I purchased of and from Francis Lap Esq[uie]r (my debts legacies
52 and funeral expencs out of the same being deducted dischardged paid) I give and bequeath
53 the same unto my son John To have and to hold unto him his heires executo[r]s administrato[r]s and
54 assignes for ever Whom I charge as the Words of a tender and loving father that as he may
55 expect the blessing of God on him and his to be obedient and dutifull unto his mother and
56 to hearken as well unto her Counsell admonition and advice as also of my Overseers
57 hereinafter named Provided all ways and my Will and meaning is that my Wife shall have the disposal
58 ordering and management in trust of all my estate aswell reall as personal herein
59 before by me given and bequeathed unto my son until such time as he shall accomplish
60 his age of Twenty and One yeeres in case she shall live soe long sole and unmarried
61 But in case she shall happen to marry Then my Will is that my son shall have the benefit
62 and the management and disposal thereof and my Wife and such second husband not to have
63 any intermeddling therew[i]th And my Will and meaning is that in eyther case my Wife
64 shalbe accomptable unto my son of such profit benefit and advantage as she shall make
65 receive and have during such her ordering disposal and management thereof she being
66 allowed and deducting and defalking out of the same all such reasonable charges expences
67 and disbursements w[hi]ch she shalbe putt onto aswell in and about the maintenance education
68 and bringing up of my son (whom I would have to be brought up in learning and in such manner
69 as my Wife shalbe thereonto advised by my Overseers hereaft[e]r named) as also in and about the
70 execution of my Trust in her reposed as aforesaid And in case my son shall happen to decease
71 before his age of Twenty and One yeeres or marriage Then all my debts personal estate and
72 benyfitt of my Mortgage herein before bequeathed unto him shall remayne unto my executrix I make
73 and ordeine my Wife to be the sole executrix of this my last Will and Testament And my Will is
74 that mourning rings shalbe given by her unto Mrs Abigail Blake my sist[e]r in law Mr John Taylor arm and unto
75 his wife Mr Richard Blake my brother and Mrs Sara Taylor my sist[e]r in law And I intreat my loving Cousin
76 Mr Edward Pile and my loving father in law Mr John Taylor theld[e]r to be Overseers of this my last
77 Will and Testament intreating them to be ayding and assisting unto my executrix in the performance of the same
78 And I give unto each of them as alsoe unto the Wife of my said Cousin Pile a mourning ring to weare in
79 remembrance of me In Wittnes Whereof I have to this my Will conteyning Two sheets of paper
80 subscribed my name to the first sheete and to the last sheete sett my hand and seale and declared the
81 same to be my last Will and Testament the day and yeere abovewritten
82 Robert Blake
83 Signed sealed and declared in the p[re]sence of Samuel Spring Gabriell Hancocke George Potticary Peter Bankes Ann (the marke of) X Holdway
84 Vicesimo quarto die mensis Decembris Anno d[omi]ni 1678
85 Probatum fuit humoi testamentum in commisa forma coram
86 venti viro Waltera Darell Sacre Theologie Professore Archi[diaco]no
87 Archinatus Winton[iensis] Comissa adue Executrici in humoi Testament
88 nominat etc de bene etc deg solvenda debita et legata etc
Jurat p[er]sonata juxta etc Salvo ___ __________
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89 A true and perfect Inventory
90 of all and Singuler the goods and Chattalls
91 of Robert Blake late of Andover in the
92 County of South[amp]ton gent deceased
93 taken and appraised the thirtieth
94 day of October in the yeere of o[u] Lord
95 1678 by us Thomas Feilder and Richard
96 Butcher whose names are under
97 written as followeth
98 I £ s d
99 Impris His Wearing appareill his Watch and Goldring x 0 0
100 In the Kitchin
101 Item One long Table board and Frame
102 One little Table board and Frame
103 One Bacon Rack One trancher
104 Rack Five Joynd Stooles Foure
105 Wooden Chaires One
106 Cupboard and Iron Jack one
107 Iron bonk one paire of greate xi xv __
108 Andirons one paire of little
109 Andirons one paire of Tongs
110 One Fire pan One Fender
111 Three Broaches Two dripping
112 pans One paire of Bellowes
113 One Screene and other small utensills
114 In the Studdy
115 Item One deskbord and Bookes and Shelves v 0 0
116 In the parlour
117 Item One Table board and Frame one
118 little Table board and Frame one
119 dozen of Red leather chaires
120 One paire of Brasse Andirons iiij iiij __
121 One Fire pan and tongs One little
122 paire of brasse Andirons Two
123 Red Courpotts and two red Window
124 Curtaines
125 In the pantrey
126 Item One Safe one little Table board
127 One Meals Tubb and Flower 0 x 0
128 Tubb One little chaire one little
129 Stoole and Frying pan and other
130 Small utensills
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131 In the Celler
132 Item Seaven Barrells One
133 powdering Tubb Three
134 Tubbs one Silt Two kivers j vj viij
135 one Meshingvate one Tin
136 boile Four Woodden Horses
137 and other Small utensills
138 In the Great Chamb[e]r
139 Item One Standing Bedsteed with
140 Cord and Matt one Feather bed
141 one Feather Bolster Two
142 downe pillows one white
143 Rugge One Counter paine
144 and paire of Blancketts with
145 curtaines and veileants Sixe xxvj viiij ij
146 Wrought Chaires Two
147 Wrought Stooles One Couch
148 Two little side Table boards
149 One paire of Brasse Andirons
150 One Brasse Fire pan one
151 paire of Brasse Tongs Two
152 looking Glasses One Frame
153 with escutcheons and Armes
154 wrought in needleworke
155 In the Little Chamber next to the greate Chamber
156 Item One Standing Bedsteed with
157 Cord and Matt one Feather bed
158 One Feather Bolster Two
159 Feather Pillowes One rugge
160 One paire of Blancketts One v xiiij iiij
161 Joynd Presse and One paire of
162 Curteines and Veilants
163 In the Chamber over the Parlour and in the Maides Chamber
164 Item One Standing Bedsteed with
165 Cord and Matt Curtaines
166 veilants rods and one Feather Bed and
167 Bolster Two Feather Pillowes
168 and rugge Two Blanketts One
169 Chest of drawers Three
170 Trunkes One wicker Chaire and three xij vij __
171 other chaires and one looking Glasse
172 One low Bedsteed Two Feather Beds
173 Two Feather Bolsters Two Feather
174 Pillowes Two ruggs Two paire of
175 Blancketts and other small utensills
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176 Item In plate xij 0 0
177 Item In Linnen x 0 0
178 Item In Pewter vij x 0
179 Item In Brasse ij x 0
180 Item One Horse with Saddle and Bridle ij x 0
181 In the Backside
182 Item In Wood x 0 0
183 Item In Hay iij 0 0
184 Item Corne in the Barne iij 0 0
185 Item Two Stockes of Bees 0 xij 0
186 Item A Bedsteed and Bedding at his
187 Chamb[e]r in Lincolns Inne ij x 0
188 Item In Spereits debts and upon
189 Bonds Bills Mortgages and other d 0 0
190 Specilties
191 The somme of this Inventory comes to dcxxi xvij v
192 In desperate debts cl 0 0
193 Item for things forgotten iij 0 0
194 Thomas Feilder
195 Richard Butcher
196 Sum total 775 18 8
197
Monday, June 13, 2011
Vincent at Spetisbury
The Vincent family at Spetisbury remains completely unknown to me. Ann Vincent married John Knight 9 Jun 1783 at Spetisbury. John Knight was not the son of William Knight and Mary Dashwood it would appear but was he a brother to William Knight father of Ellis Knight who married Eleanor daughter of John Knight and Ann Vincent? That is one of the puzzles that I hope the Dorset registers for the 1700s (once they are up on Ancestry) might help to solve. Most Knight researchers do make this connection and I have accepted their statements but remain unconvinced although do have the family lore of a cousin relationship between Ellis and Eleanor.
The OPC Dorset site does offer a list for the marriages at Spetisbury in the 1700s and I find:
9 Aug 1792 John Vincent and Elizabeth Evans married with Thomas Knight as a witness (Thomas though was often a witness so probably doesn't mean anything particularly)
2 Apr 1793 Joseph Vincent of Dewlish and Elizabeth Meader married (Thomas Knight witness)
24 Jul 1796 George Florance and Elizabeth Vincent married
26 Mar 1799 Benjamin Garrett and Amelia Vincent married (Henry Knight witness and again he was often so)
The next Vincent marriages are into the 1830s. I am curious why the marriage of John Knight and Ann Vincent in 1783 does not appear as other researchers have given me this information. From 1754 onwards where the listing of witnesses is recorded there is often a member of the Knight family with the earlier Knight being Henry. By 1774 the Knight member is Thomas. and by 1794 we are back to Henry Knight.
The militia list of 1787 for Spetisbury lists two John Knight - one is a bricklayer with 1 child and the second is a servant bricklayer (apprentice perhaps?). There is also a William Knight bricklayer. By 1787 John and Ann Knight appear to have just the one child Eleanor Knight. Is the date of their marriage in error (and the place). The mention of a Vincent at Dewlish attracted my interest. There are a lot of Vincent marriages at Dewlish but not a marriage for John Knight and Ann Vincent. There are eight children attributed to this couple by other researchers:
Eleanor Knight baptized 12 Dec 1786 at Spetisbury (married to Ellis Knight and my 2x great grandparents)
Elizabeth Ann Knight born circa 1790 and married to Ambrose Cousins 31 Mar 1818 at Spetisbury
Thomas Knight born circa 1794 at Spetisbury
Jemina Knight born circa 1798 at Spetisbury married to Thomas Randall 22 Aug 1825 at Spetisbury
Benjamin Knight born circa 1799 at Spetisbury married to Caroline Loader 26 Sep 1820 at Spetisbury
Joseph Knight born circa 1800 at Spetisbury married to Ann Robbins 23 Sep 1822 at Corfe Mullen
James Knight born circa 1802 at Spetisbury married to Frances Butcher 16 Aug 1829 at St Pancras (London)
Samuel Knight born circa 1806 at Spetisbury
I am left to ponder whether these are all their children and the next research day for Vincent may find the earlier registers for Dorset online at Ancestry.
The OPC Dorset site does offer a list for the marriages at Spetisbury in the 1700s and I find:
9 Aug 1792 John Vincent and Elizabeth Evans married with Thomas Knight as a witness (Thomas though was often a witness so probably doesn't mean anything particularly)
2 Apr 1793 Joseph Vincent of Dewlish and Elizabeth Meader married (Thomas Knight witness)
24 Jul 1796 George Florance and Elizabeth Vincent married
26 Mar 1799 Benjamin Garrett and Amelia Vincent married (Henry Knight witness and again he was often so)
The next Vincent marriages are into the 1830s. I am curious why the marriage of John Knight and Ann Vincent in 1783 does not appear as other researchers have given me this information. From 1754 onwards where the listing of witnesses is recorded there is often a member of the Knight family with the earlier Knight being Henry. By 1774 the Knight member is Thomas. and by 1794 we are back to Henry Knight.
The militia list of 1787 for Spetisbury lists two John Knight - one is a bricklayer with 1 child and the second is a servant bricklayer (apprentice perhaps?). There is also a William Knight bricklayer. By 1787 John and Ann Knight appear to have just the one child Eleanor Knight. Is the date of their marriage in error (and the place). The mention of a Vincent at Dewlish attracted my interest. There are a lot of Vincent marriages at Dewlish but not a marriage for John Knight and Ann Vincent. There are eight children attributed to this couple by other researchers:
Eleanor Knight baptized 12 Dec 1786 at Spetisbury (married to Ellis Knight and my 2x great grandparents)
Elizabeth Ann Knight born circa 1790 and married to Ambrose Cousins 31 Mar 1818 at Spetisbury
Thomas Knight born circa 1794 at Spetisbury
Jemina Knight born circa 1798 at Spetisbury married to Thomas Randall 22 Aug 1825 at Spetisbury
Benjamin Knight born circa 1799 at Spetisbury married to Caroline Loader 26 Sep 1820 at Spetisbury
Joseph Knight born circa 1800 at Spetisbury married to Ann Robbins 23 Sep 1822 at Corfe Mullen
James Knight born circa 1802 at Spetisbury married to Frances Butcher 16 Aug 1829 at St Pancras (London)
Samuel Knight born circa 1806 at Spetisbury
I am left to ponder whether these are all their children and the next research day for Vincent may find the earlier registers for Dorset online at Ancestry.
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