Wednesday, August 27, 2014

City of Ottawa Archives - BIFHSGO section

My husband had a meeting at the City of Ottawa Archives today so I tagged along to have a look at the BIFHSGO and OGS collections of British material.

I never noticed the Pipe Rolls for Hampshire in their library before so spent my entire time with those particular items and interestingly enough all the Pipe Rolls for Winchester Bishopric have been digitized at the Hampshire Record Office in Winchester from 1208 to 1710. If I ever get to Winchester I shall spend some time with that set of documents.

The Pipe Roll of the Bishopric of Winchester 1301 - 2 (Hampshire Record Series Volume 14) (ISBN: 1859751083 / 1-85975-108-3)

The Pipe Roll of the Bishopric of Winchester 1409-10
Mark Page (editor)
Published by Hampshire County Council, Winchester, first edition, "Hampshire Record" series, volume XVI, 1999
ISBN 10: 1859752845 / ISBN 13: 9781859752845

Both of these books are held by the BIFHSGO library at the City of Ottawa Archives.

There has been a little discussion on the origin of the Blake Surname recently with another member of the Guild. I have steered away from Niger as having been a possible earlier spelling of Blake and the Pipe Rolls for 1301-2 had a rather interesting entry at Wargrave. In the paragraph under Prequisities there is a Hamo Niger listed and a John Blak listed. Found it rather interesting and the Pipe Rolls gives the modern name for Niger as Black. I have pretty much thought that way from the time that I took this study up and this does help me along that path.

I am though starting to rethink my thought that Blake might be a characteristic surname. Not leaving it entirely but giving it more thought. In 1301 there were already seven different men with the Blak/le Blak surname listed in the Bishopric of Winchester Pipe Rolls. In 1274 there was a Richard le Blak at Rouen, Normandy requesting permission to set up a market in England. Alice la Blak is a daughter of Richard at Wargrave Berkshire. Is John a son of Richard? Is Laurence a son of Richard?  Is Hamo a son of Richard/brother of Richard? Walter is a son of Hamo. Is William a son of Richard?

However, we still do have the several different haplogroups for Blake in the yDNA study and they are quite different including several different I haplogroups and several different R haplogroups both R1a and R1b.

Place                                Surname    Forename       Date
Wargrave                        Blak          John              1301-2
Havant                             Blak         Laurence       1301-2
Wargrave                         Blak, la    Alice              1301-2  (daughter of Richard le Blak)
Wargrave                         Blak, le    Richard          1301-2
Merdon                            Blak, le    Thomas          1301-2
Waltham St Lawrence     Blak          Hamo             1301-2
Waltham St Lawrence     Blak          Walter            1301-2 (son of Hamo Blak)
Staplegrove                     Blake, le    William         1301-2

Bishops Sutton               Blake          Emma            1409-10
Holway                          Blake           John               1409-10
Soke                               Blake          William          1409-10

Wargrave is a hundred in Berkshire at this time period and includes the parishes of Waltham St Lawrence, Warfield and Wargrave. It is 35 miles NE of Andover just to place it into the context of the Blake family at Andover.

Havant is near Portsmouth and so 33 miles SE of Andover.

Merdon included the present parish of Hursley. Hursley is slightly south west of Winchester and 14 miles SSE of Andover.

Staplegrove remains somewhat of a mystery as one tends to think of Somersetshire with this village name.

Bishops Sutton is to the east of Winchester and 18 miles ESE of Andover.

Holway is again a Somersetshire name.

Soke is a mystery.

Nevertheless, exciting finding so many different Blak/le Blak/Blake names in 1301-2 in Hampshire.

Looking at the Calender of Patent Rolls in this time period:

1305 3 20 Westminster le Blake Henry Dorsetshire
1305 3 20 Westminster le Blak Robert Dorsetshire
1315 7 12 Westminster le Blake John Berkshire
1323 7 24 Faxfleet le Blak Simon Hampshire
1340 9 18 Andover le Blake John Berkshire
1340 9 18 Andover le Blake Roger Berkshire
1343 5 16 Westminster Blake Robert Hampshire
1352 11 26 Westminster la Blake Alice Hampshire
1352 11 26 Westminster le Blake Walter Hampshire
1352 11 26 Westminster le Blake Henry Hampshire
1355 11 12 Woodstock Blake Adam Wiltshire
1357 10 21 Westminster Blake Robert Wiltshire
1365 10 18 Westminster Blake Robert Wiltshire 
1386 1 28 Westminster Blake John Wiltshire
1386 2 12 Westminster Blake Robert Wiltshire
1389 9 15 Clarendon Manor Blake John Hampshire

1392 7 20 Windsor Blake Thomas Hampshire
1394 2 12 Westminster Blake John Hampshire
1402 10 13 Westminster Blake Andrew Hampshire
1405 5 22 Westminster Blake John Hampshire
1421 4 24 Westminster Blake John Hampshire
1452 6 16 Westminster Blake George Hampshire

The Blake Pedigree Chart at the Swindon and Wiltshire Record Office has the son of Richard Blague/Blaake as  Henry Blague / Blaake married to Elizabeth Dorrant (daughter of Edward Dorrant).  The only time frame at the beginning of the chart is the notation that events occurred during the reigns of Edward I and Edward II (1272-1307 and 1307-1327). The deeding of a property in Essex also mentioned took place in 1302. However it wasn't Richard Blague/Blaake who deeded that property it was Roger le Blake of Madebrook, Herefordshire. A small error in reality but it does leave one to wonder if Roger and Richard were related and the story simply went a bit astray through the years! There is a Roger Blake in Berkshire in 1340 mentioned in the Calendar of Patent Rolls.

I keep remembering that the Roman Legion could move from Devon to London in just over a day's forced march so what could a man on horseback do? The fields of England could be and likely were easily traversed on horseback.

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