Siderfin-Greenslade-Wheedon families

For quite a while I have meant to spend some time on the Siderfin - Greenslade - Wheedon families as they intermarried into the Siderfin family of Somerset England. Today I just happened to fall into that thought pattern once again. An email from a fellow Siderfin researcher prompted it. I am still trying to resolve the chart for the Siderfin family which James Sanders produced in his 1912 book on the Siderfin family.

I had a few marriages between the Greenslade family and the Siderfin family. A few marriages between the Wheddon family and the Siderfin family. A few marriages between the Greenslade and the Wheddon family. All members lived in the vicinity of Cutcombe or Wootton Courtney or Selworthy Somerset.

I had a small amount of information to aid me. I knew that the father of William Greenslade (widower) who married Mary Siderfin 22 Apr 1843 at Minehead was Francis. I found William on the 1841 census at Fiddington (Inwood Farm) with his son Francis (25). The Mary Siderfin that he married is the daughter of John Siderfin and Joan Adams. The late acquisition of the will of Mary Siderfin (spinster) has provided the clue for linking this set of children back to John Siderfin and Joan Adams. The parents of John Siderfin are John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade. I was always curious as to whether there was a relationship between these two Greenslade families.

Working back Francis Greenslade (baptized 3 May 1750 at Wootton Courtney) and Joane Wheddon baptized their son William 8 Feb 1782 at Wootton Courtney and the marriage of Francis Greenslade to Joane Wheddon (baptized 9 Jan 1753 Wootton Courtney) was celebrated 12 January 1774 at Wootton Courtney. It was possible to then determine working my way back that John Greenslade and Margaret Wheddon were the parents of Francis Greenslade. They married 31 Mar 1742 at Wootton Courtney. This John Greenslade was the son of Thomas Greenslade and Christian Stoate who are said to have married in 1709 at Selworthy but this marriage does not appear on the register transcriptions (I need to check my fiche to see if it is actually there).

Thomas and Christian Greenslade had two children of interest: John baptized 27 Jul 1714 at Selworthy and already mentioned above

and Joan Greenslade who was baptized 3 May 1718 at Selworthy.

Joan Greenslade married John Siderfin (mentioned earlier) 26 Mar 1743 at Cutcombe. He was baptized 14 Jan 1722 at Cutcombe. Their oldest child Mary left a will which mentions all of her nieces and nephews. Her sister Joan (baptized 8 Jan 1747 at Cutcombe) married Thomas Wheddon 16 May 1782 at Cutcombe. He was baptized 19 Mar 1754 at Wootton Courtney and the son of Attowell Wheddon and Mary White who had married 2 Dec 1751 at Taunton (St Mary).

Attowell Wheddon and Mary had two children that fit into this family scheme.

Thomas already mentioned and Joane (baptized 9 Jan 1753 at Wootton Courtney) and also mentioned as the wife of Francis Greenslade.

I have thus managed to connect all the Greenslade families and most of the Wheddon families but I still have Margaret Wheddon without parents. There is a Betty Wheddon baptized in 1721 at Wootton Courtney with parents Thomas and Joane (these are the parents of Attowell who was baptized 4 Oct 1724 at Wootton Courtney). I will continue to investigate the possibility that Margaret is their daughter but there is another Wheddon family at Wootton Courtney but they had a child in 1721 already (she wasn't Margaret :) ). The date of 1721 is a guess by another researcher so I can not stick with that in particular. Since she married in 1742 her baptism could be as late as 1725 or earlier than 1720 and I will check the registers as I have them. This is my first real try to bring some connectivity to these families.

Success and a plan to work on the missing details.

Doutre family

Still working on the Matte-Gagnon family, I decided to continue working on Josephte Doutre as I was having no luck at all with Olivier Gagnon.

Josephte Doutre is named Josette Doutre on the census. She was born at Plantagenet ON 5 Jan 1825 and baptized 9 Feb 1825 at Montébello (the priest duly recorded that she had been born at Plantagenet which was most helpful). Her parents were Etienne Denis Doutre and Victoire Lalonde from her baptism and the marriage which I obtained online (can not find on ancestry yet) 26 Jun 1844 at Saint Luc, Curran, Prescott County, Ontario. Although I prefer to find the marriage, finding Josephte's baptism which agrees with the online record of Etienne Doutre as her father and Victoire Lalonde as her mother I decided to find their marriage. Etienne Doutre and Victoire Lalonde were married at St Michel, Vaudreuil 4 Feb 1822. She was his second marriage.

Parents of Etienne Doutre: Féréole Doutre and Marie Cecile Forgette dite Despatie who married 28 Feb 1775 at Terrebonne. He was a soldier sent from France in the late 1750s.

Féréole Doutre parents were: Joseph Doutre and Francisca Sobraques.

Marie Cecile Forgette dite Despatie's parents were Jean Baptiste Despatie dit Forgette and Marie-Anne Ménard. They were married 29 Oct 1738 at Ste Famille, Boucherville. I continued tracing back through the Despatie dit Forgette and Ménard families.

Looking at Jean Baptiste Despatie dit Forgette and his parents were: Jean Baptiste Forgette and Jeanne Beaudouin and they married 22 Nov 1700 at Repentigny. Continuing with the Forgette dite Despatie line, the parents of Jean Baptiste were Nicolas Forgette dite Despatie and Marie Madeleine Martin who married at Québec City 6 Feb 1653. Nicolas' parents were Paul Forgette and Nicole Chevalier who married in France. Marie Madeleine Martin's parents were Abraham Martin and Marguerite Langlois and they married in France. I need to find baptisms for all of these individuals.

Then looking at Jeanne Beaudouin's parents who were: Jean Baudouyn and Charlotte Chauvin. They married the 27 Nov 1663 at Notre-Dame, Montréal. Surprisingly the baptism of Charlotte Chauvin was 5 Apr 1651 at Montréal (which would make her only 12 years old so perhaps the baptism was delayed). Her parents were Michel Chauvain and Anne Archambault who married 27 July 1647 at Québec City. Their marriage records their parents as Gabriel Chauvain and Marie Arouard and Jacques Archambault and Francoise Toros (both recorded as parishes in France). Jean Baudouyn's parents were Jean Baudouyn and Jeanne Berthet (recorded as parishes in France).

Now to try and find Olivier Gagnon's line tomorrow.

Séguin family

I continued working on the Séguin family and the marriage of the parents of Antoinette Séguin celebrated 16 Apr 1812 at Ste Madeleine, Riguad reveals the parents of this couple.

Parents of Hyacinthe Séguin: Hyacinthe Séguin dit Laderoute and Marie Louise Rouleau.

Parents of Monique Villeneuve: Simon Villeneuve and Madeleine Sabourin.

I found the baptism for Hyacinthe Séguin (28 May 1788 at Ste Anne de Bellevue, Montréal) and Monique Villeneuve (3 July 1792 at Oka, Deux Montagnes). Monique appears to have died between 1852 and 1861 as Hyacinthe is a widower on the 1861 census.

I then found the marriage of Hyacinthe's parents: Hyacinthe Séguin dit Laderoute and Marie Louise Rouleau which was celebrated 7 Feb 1785 at St Michel, Vaudreuil. The marriage lines revealed the parents of this couple.

Parents of Hyacinthe Séguin dit Laderoute: Hyacinthe Pascal Séguin dit Laderoute and Elizabeth Brabant.

Parents of Marie Louise Rouleau: Joseph Rouleau and Marie Louise Pilon. I did not follow the Rouleau family back yet but will do so later.

I will continue working on the Séguin family today.

Bertrand and Séguin families

I decided to move on from the Whalen/Welland family as I was not finding any information that was helpful for this line.

I have a marriage for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin at St Jean Baptiste, L'Orginal, Prescott Co UC 7 Feb 1842. I asked for an online verification and did receive one. It would still be nice to view the register I must admit and I hope to do that when next we are in Toronto.

Parents of Julien Vital Bertrand listed were: Antoine Bertrand and Josette (Marie Josephte ?) Cholet.

Parents of Antoinette Séguin listed were: Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve.

I did find a baptism for Julien Vital Bertrand 28 Apr 1814 at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud, LC. The baptism for Antoinette Séguin is said to be 15 Jun 1815 also at Ste Madeleine, Rigaud but the baptism I find for a daughter of this couple is named Monique Noelette (in this time period who appears to have survived) - 25 Dec 1815 (born 25 Dec 1815). The date online of 15 Jun is from a family website. There was a daughter baptized 22 November 1814 (born 21 November 1814) which would make the June birthdate a seven months baby at most and likely less than that. I suspect the date is in error. I wonder though whether the name Antoinette by which she is known is perhaps a Confirmation name since her recorded name is Monique Noelette.

Looking at the census that I can find for Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin I find her birth dates various (1852 (birthdate 1815), 1861 (birthdate 1813) and 1871 (birthdate 1814). She is always listed as 1 to 2 years older than Julien (his birth dates range from 1817 to 1815 although his baptism is clearly found to be 28 April 1814). Hyacinthe and Monique had a daughter in 1813 (they married in 1812) but I find a burial for Rosalie at four days of age. They also had a daughter mentioned earlier Madeleine Monique in November 1814 who was buried 5 Sep 1815. I find three daughters born after Monique Noelette in 1817, 1818 and 1820 and then Hyacinthe is born in 1821.

Searching for the burials of Julien Vital Bertrand and Antoinette Séguin did not locate a burial for either. The census shows them to be at Petite Nation, Ottawa West, Québec in 1852, André Avellin in 1861 and Hull on the 1871 census. I do not find them on the 1881 census. Their daughter Antoinette marries in 1877 at Hull but they do not appear on the 1881 census with this young couple.

However, I feel that I have established that Antoinette Séguin is the daughter (Monique Noelette) of Hyacinthe Séguin and Monique Villeneuve and that the father of Hyacinthe is also Hyacinthe as he is listed as fils on the baptisms of their children. That is also helpful. I will continue working back on this family line today.

Pougeolle dit Perpignan and Dassilva dit Portugais

I was quite amazed as the family lines for Elizabeth (Isabelle) Thibaut dite Labbé were really difficult to read on the marriage register of 1784. Jean François Thibaut (father of Elizabeth Thibaut) married Marie Françoise Pougeolle dit Perpignan 28 Sep 1784 at Notre-Dame, Québec City. Jean François' parents were Charles François Thibaut and his mother is Catherine and possibly Bissoneau but I continue to check out the last name as it is a little difficult to read. However the names of Marie Françoise's parents are quite clearly Jean François Pougeolle dit Perpignan and Marie Angélique Dassilva dite Portugais. They married at Québec City 12 Nov 1764 and again their parents names were quite legible.

Jean François' parents: Jean Pougeolle dit Perpignan and Maria Pia

Marie Angélique's parents: Jean Baptiste Dassilva dit Portugais and Marie Girard who married at Québec City 24 Nov 1744.

Jean Baptiste Dassilva parents were: Jean Baptiste Dassilva dit Portugais and Angélique Rosalie Amyot dit Lincourt who married at Québec City 26 Oct 1727.

Marie Girard parents were: Jean Girard and Catherine Bouré who married at Charlesbourg 16 May 1703.

Carrying on with the Dassilva line I was able to continue tracing back at Québec City and discovered Jean Baptiste's parents to be Pierre (Pedro Da Silva) Dassilva dit Portugais who was born circa 1647 at Lisbon Portugal and died in 1717 at Québec City. He married Jeanne Greslon dit Laviolette 16 May 1677 at Beaupré, Québec. The parents of Pierre were Joseph Dassilva dit Portugais and his wife Marie François from the marriage registration for Pierre and Jeanne. Jeanne was born 9 Feb 1663 at Chateau Richer, Québec and the daughter of Jacques Greslon dit Laviolette and Jeanne Vigneault who married 3 Jul 1657 at Québec City. Their parents (all born and married in France) were Jacques Greslon and his wife Cathrine (last name I need to decipher) and Abel Vignau and his wife Susane Bonnear (?). Their parishes were listed on the marriage registration. The last set of couples are 12x great grandparents to our son in law (paternal side). A truly remarkable history tracing back to the early days of New France. Once I reach back into the 1700s I can find others searching these family lines but I am on my own through the 1800s and 1900s for the most part.

The breakthrough on this line was my eldest daughter reading the register over my shoulder and realizing that I was misreading the last letter of Pougeolle (I had an a and nothing came up for this name). Once we changed the last letter to an "e" and entire family history unfolded before our eyes as it is written up in the following website. I then verified all the marriages in the Notre Dame parish register.

http://acanadianfamily.com/2009/02/04/from-lisbon-to-la-nouvelle-france-the-portuguese-desilvas/

A very interesting website which traces this family down to the marriage of Jean Franç Pougeolle dit Perpignan and Marie Angélique Dassilva dite Portugais 12 Nov 1764 at Notre-Dame, Québec. This couple's daughter Marie Françoise Pougeolle dit Perpignan married Jean François Thibaut 28 Sep 1784 at Notre-Dame, Québec and their daughter Elizabeth Thibaut dite Labbé married Jean Baptiste Fournier dit Larose 1809 at Notre-Dame, Québec thus solving the mystery of Elizabeth's mother's name which was so difficult to interpret on the marriage registration.

Elizabeth was the mother of Emilie Fournier dite Larose who married Jean Thomas Whelan (Welland) 13 Jan 1835 which was my starting point two days ago. I still have not solved the Whelan/Welland family although did discover that Arthur a brother to Thomas lived at Aylmer, Québec and on the 1911 census stated his ancestry as Irish which could be very helpful. I know that Jean Thomas was born in Québec around 1814 and I have been busy reading the registers. I am up to page 90 in 1814. The Whelan name is a fairly common one in Ottawa but they do not appear to be connected to this family which the priest actually records as Welland. The Whelan being used at a later period. Welland though does not lead me backwards in time at all.

Today I will spend time once again on the Whelan/Welland families and see if I can solve that mystery. Thomas Welland married Elizabeth Pepin dite Lachance but I do not have a marriage for them yet and they are the parents of Jean Thomas Whelan/Welland who married Emilie Fournier dite Larose.

Whelan/Welland and Fournier dit Larose families

I have been trying different approaches to work on the Whelan/Welland family. Knowing the history of this family might be helpful. The family is at Quebec City in the early 1800s and I know that Marie Emélie Whelan who was baptized 27 Jun 1843 at Notre-Dame is the daughter of Jean Thomas Whelan/Welland and that by the census he is born circa 1814. Jean Thomas Whelan married Emilie Fournier dite Larose (b c 1816 Quebec) were married 13 Jan 1835 at Notre-Dame, Quebec City. I have been lucky with Emilie as I found her parents to be Jean Baptiste Fournier dit Larose and Elisabeth Thibaut dite Labbé who married at Quebec city 10 Oct 1809.

I then found the parents of Jean Baptiste Fournier dit Larose to be Jérome Fournier dit Larose and Magdeleine Godin who also married at Quebec City 17 Jan 1786.

Magdeleine's parents were Thiery Gaudin and Marguerite Lefebvre who married 7 Jan 1755 at St Jean Baptiste, Les Ecureuils de Portneuf. Reading their marriage lines yielded parents as: Jean Gaudin and Geneviève François and Nicolas Lefebvre and Marguerite Godbout. Although World Connect suggests parents for all four of these people I shall work on this marriage as their suggestions seem to have parents a little older than I would have thought. I need to read the registers for this time period.

Going back to Jérome Fournier dit Larose I found his parents to be Emerie Fournier dit Larose and Marguerite Guenet and they married 14 Feb 1757 at Notre-Dame, Quebec City. I will continue working on the Fournier and Whelan/Welland lines today.

Girard family of Lauzon, Bellechasse and Beaumont

I tackled the Girard family of Lauzon Lévis Québec yesterday and was quite successful. Marie Girard was the mother of Marie Josephte Patri and I managed to find her baptism at St Etienne Beaumont 2 May 1797. The index listed her as the daughter of Pierre Patry and Marie Girard. I then found the actual baptismal lines but found that the priest did not specify "fils" or "fille" but there had been a son Joseph born to this couple one year earlier and a check of the register revealed that he did not die before the birth of this child. I could not, however, find her burial. Although Marie Girard was born/baptized at Lauzon she married Pierre Patry 18 Nov 1782 at St Michel Bellechasse. Pierre was buried there 8 Sep 1821 but I haven't found a burial for Marie yet. Marie's parents were: Joseph Girard and Marie Marguerite Labrecque. They were married at St Etienne but Joseph was born at Lauzon with Marie Labrecque being born at Bellechasse. Joseph and Marie married 27 Feb 1763 at St Etienne Beaumont. I found Joseph's baptism at St Joseph de la Pointe de Lévis, Lauzon 1 May 1740. His parents were Claude Girard (baptized 28 Feb 1704 St Etienne Beaumont) and Suzanne Guay. They were married 27 Nov 1736 at St Joseph de la Pointe de Levis, Lauzon. Claude's parents were Jacques Girard (baptized 29 Sep 1662 at Québec City and Mathurine Poiré baptized 20 Dec 1672 at Québec City and they married 24 Apr 1687 at Québec (I think, still finding that marriage).

The parish registers for St Etienne, Beaumont are quite well done with an index which is fairly legible. I was easily able to find all the children born to Pierre Patry and Marie Girard.

I again looked at my Siderfin family for a short time. I need to take a couple of hours to work through all the material again before my correspondent gets back to me in a couple of weeks time.

Siderfin Family and continuing French Canadian Ancestry

My new correspondent and I have been sharing information. She found a new will (new to me!) at The National Archives (London UK) which has illuminated another error in James Sanders book. Definitely John Siderfin married to Joan Adams was John the son of John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade and not the son of Robert Siderfin and Grace Kent. This makes James Sanders chart completely incorrect as he shows his great grandfather as John Siderfin married to Sarah Clark being the son of John Siderfin and Joan Greenslade. This means that my Elizabeth (Betty) Siderfin (sister to John Siderfin married to Sarah Clark) was aunt to his grandfather Robert Siderfin. That means that Elizabeth Rew (Elizabeth Siderfin's daughter) was first cousin to Robert the father of Elizabeth Siderfin (mother to James Sanders). Mind you Robert was born in 1788 and Elizabeth in 1801. Then Elizabeth (daughter of Robert was born in 1817) and William Robert (my great grandfather) wasn't born until 1837. It could be the generational differences that resulted in this loss of knowledge. Plus my family emigrated to Canada in 1850. But it is still surprising that he incorrectly selected his great great grandparents. Mind you he wrote the book in the early 1900s and his mother died in 1882 and his grandfather Robert Siderfin died in 1859. James grew up at South Molton which is quite aways from the Watchett/Selworthy homes of his Siderfin ancestor. Surprisingly my Elizabeth Rew married John Pincombe at Bishops Nympton just five miles from South Molton but the discrepancy in ages may well have resulted in the mistake. In my family, the name Siderfin was never recorded on this side of the Atlantic so that family line was completely lost.

I continued working on my son-in-law's family. I am proving the 3x great grandparents now on his grandfather's side. I have managed to pull out quite a bit of information - census, CMBs and BMDs but a few still elude me. I spent part of the morning reading the 1851 census at St-Polycarpe, Vaudreuil County but did not find the Matte (Mathieu/Matts), Gagnon (Gagné), D'Outre or De La Tour families that I had hoped to find there. There were LaTour families but not the one I needed. I still need to check the marriage registration for Léon Matte and Marie Louise Gagnon at Prescott in 1865. The Geneaogical Society has transcribed the register and listed parents as Olivier Gagnon/Josephte Beruit (census shows de LaTour) and Joseph Matte/Josephte D'Outre (census shows Louis Matte/Josette Doutre). Reading the original at the Archives of Ontario will be helpful for this marriage I suspect. Because all four families were from the Vaudreuil area originally I had hoped to discover some information on the 1851 census but they may have already been moving to the Prescott area of Ontario by then. I do not find them at Prescott so possibly somewhere in between.

Today I will enter the proofs for the 3x great grandparents of the one line and then begin to work on the maternal line back to the 3x great grandparents. Putting the trees on ancestry was very very helpful with all the searching ability of this site. I had some really good hints that were most helpful.

Jean Baptiste Neveu family

I have been searching for information on the Neveu family for quite a while. I had good luck with searching finding them first on the census 1911, 1901, 1891, 1881 at Pte Gatineau PQ and then into the parish register for St François de la Sales at Pte Gatineau. This let me take them back a couple of generations leading me back to Grenville and St Benoit.

I decided to utilize the search engine of ancestry by breaking up the tree into four sections (each grandparent) and that proved to be highly successful as the search engine then selected records that fitted the data that I have on hand. I found at least 30 new items looking at the first branch of the tree. I make the trees private since my purpose in putting them up is to assist me in finding records. Eventually I will give all the information to our children to set up their own family tree webpage. That is probably a few years off as it will take me quite a bit of time to prove all of these lines.

Now I shall get back to proving the 3x great grandparents. I was getting bogged down trying to find particular marriages but using the Ancestry search engine has proven to be most successful. I also look at World Connect and do a Google search to see what other people have found as that is quite valuable in research as well I have found. Without family stories, researching family lines is quite difficult I noticed with my husband's research. Most of his family stories had been lost by the time that he started researching. Vague family lore about Dutchess County was about all he had to go on. His lines have been here since the 1600s with just one exception his great grandparents who came directly from Germany to New York and then up to Canada in 1846 and 1866 respectively.

Brunet family

Today I decided to work on the Brunet family today. I found the marriage of Augustin Lauzon and Hélèna Brunet 17 Sep 1889 at Notre Dame de la Salette, Papineau, Québec. I know from the baptism and marriage of their son that these are the correct names for his parents. First problem that I encountered was not finding a death or burial for them. I know that they are on the census in 1911 at Sturgeon Falls Nipissing. This census also gave me their month and date of birth which let me find their baptisms (his at St Grégoire in Buckingham, hers at St Adèle, Terrebone) and verify their parents names having both their names from the marriage registration and baptisms. The only difference I found was in the date of birth on the census for Hélèna was out by four years.

Parents of Augustin Lauzon: Joseph Lauzon and Rosalie Thibaut
Parents of Hélèna Brunet: Jean-Baptiste and Olive (Olivine) Constantineau

Looking at the Brunet line first I found the marriage of Jean Baptiste Brunet and Olive Constantineau at Ste Adèle Terrebone 24 Jan 1859.

Parents: of Jean Baptiste Brunet: Jean Baptiste Brunet and Louise Brunet (dit Lelang)
Parents: of Olive Constantineau: Joseph Constantineau and Alice Deguire (dit Larose)

I was able to find the baptism of Jean Baptiste Brunet and his parents are listed as: Jean Baptiste Brunet and Louise Brunet

The marriage of Jean Baptiste Brunet and Louise Brunet dit Lelang was 11 Jan 1836.

Parents of Jean Baptiste Brunet: François Brunet and Angélique Bal.... (unsure)
Parents of Louise Brunet dit Lalang: Jean Baptiste Brunet dit Lelang and Marie Aurelele Bourgeois

One of my curiosities is whether Jean Baptiste Brunet dit Lelang and François Brunet are related (i.e. cousins since one has a dit name). The other is to find the baptisms to verify the spelling of their mother's maiden names. Finding the marriages would also be helpful. That will be one of my quests on Ancestry today.

Routledge

Back to the Routledge family with a surprise email asking for information on the Thomas Routledge family that emigrated to Canada from Bewcastle Cumberland in 1818. I did have a bit of a breakthrough with this family via the following web abstract (the notations are another research in our Routledge research group):

Carlisle Record Office Will of Archibald FORRESTER of Cleughside, Bewcastle [Bc] 1767, pg 63. [I’ve included this one since it names many Routledges with places]
Grace Forrester, deceased poss. The mother of John Routledge
John Forrester, Wit
Adam Routledge s o Mary, Wid
George Routledge, of Oakshaw, Bc, father of 2 children
Grace Routledge, daughter of [d o ] Mary Routledge, Wid
Henry Routledge, s o Mary R*
Henry Routledge of Borderrigg, dec., father of 3 children
John Routledge s o Mary R*, Wid
John Routledge, my “sister’s son, possibly s o Grace
Leondard Routledge of Oakshaw
Mary Routledge of Crossgreens or Strandsheads, Wid, mother of Grace, Mary, Adam, John & Henry
Mary Routledge, d o Mary, Wid
William Routledge of Oakshaw, deceased, father of William R*
William Routledge of Oakshaw s o late William Routledge
Francis Armstrong, Wit
Catherine Dowglass of Ash w o Thomas Douglas
Thomas Dowglass [sic Douglas] of Ash husband of Catherine
Catherine Henderson d o Robert & Helenor Henderson
Helenor Henderson wife of Robert and mother of Catherine
Robert Henderson husband of Helenor & father of Catherine
Alexander Kennedie of Cleughside, Friend husband of Sibella
Catherine Kennedie of Cleughside, d o Alexander
Elizabeth Kennedie of Cleughside
John Kennedie of Cleughside s o Alexander
Sibella Kennedie of Cleughside w o Alexander
William Kennedie of Cleughside s o Alexander


I need to purchase this will and discover the context for all of this information. Finding both sides of my Routledge family (Thomas Routledge's parents and his wife Elizabeth Routledge's parents) and in that magic timeframe of 1767 is amazing. Henry (as the will notes) is deceased with three children (William who died in 1772, Thomas (my ancestor) and Margaret (born posthumously about five months after her father's death). George and Grace (parents of Elizabeth) are mentioned and it is George of Oakshaw. Grace is the daughter of Mary Routledge widow and the marriage that fits (looking at the baptisms of the five children mentioned) is Thomas Routledge (Hill) and Mary Routledge (Kirkbeckstown) although the will mentions Mary Routledge of Crossgreens or Strandsheads. Crossgreens and Strandsheads is less than 1 km from Broderigg where Henry was living. Hill is about 2 km to the northeast and Kirkbeckstown is about 2 km to the southwest. The marriage of Mary Routledge and Thomas Routledge was 18 Nov 1733. As I work my way through the Routledge family I am realizing that I need to look at the registers for all the villages around Bewcastle in order to capture all the information. George's wife Grace was buried at Stapleton.

No more French Canadian research today. Tomorrow will see me back at that.

Jacques Watier family

I made an interesting discovery as I worked my way back through the Lanoie family. They are located at Sturgeon Falls on the census. I had been looking for the marriage of the parents of Dora Lanoie and did know from her marriage to Telesphore Lauzon that their names were Félix Lanoie and Céline Rhéaume. I found their marriage 24 Jul 1878 at Cyrville and discovered that Félix Lanoie's parents were: Jacques Lanoie and Émélie Boileau. I then searched online and discovered that Jacques name was listed as Jacques Watier dit Lanoie but I could not find the marriage of Jacques and Émélie. By luck I did find the burial for Émélie Boileau and discovered that she was listed as the widow of Jacques Lanoie tying the names together. The date in a personal family tree that I found listed the marriage as 9 Feb 1832. I searched on Watier and Boileau and found the marriage of Hyacinthe Boileau and Sophie Watier (same parents!). I moved back in the register to check out 9 Feb 1832 and discovered that the marriage of Jacques and Émélie was actually 9 Jan 1832 and the name of the groom was Jacques Watier son of Antoine Watier (deceased) and his wife Marie Josephte Dubois. One of the webpages (personal family) that I looked at gave the possible reason for the name Lanoie as:

There's a site on the city of Laon in French.

http://damien-peiffer.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html

Scroll down to the photo of the train & medieval church. It says, "Laon is a French commune situated in the dept. of Aisne, region of Picardy. Its name is pronounced "lan". Its inhabitants are called Laonnais, pronounced "lanoi." Perhaps that is the reason for this "dit" name: Thomas Watier dit Laonnois.

This Thomas was a royal notary in Montréal and he married Marie Josephte Lalonde. What I now need to prove with records is that the Antoine Watier married to Marie Josephte Dubois is their son. The personal trees I found online do make this connection but I would like some paperwork if I can find it.

I continue working on this tree as I promised to give a copy to my son-in-law's paternal grandmother and I wanted to add a few generations to it before doing so.

I have a couple of other projects that I will start to concentrate on as well now that those long cold winter days are here once again. Our temperature has been somewhat moderated by the Atlantic current this last week but the deep freeze will eventually reach us I suspect :)

French Canadian ancestry - Lauzon

I had a very successful day looking at the Lauzon family and discovered a tree online which I shall pursue with the actual records. I tend to do genealogy from the respect of what others have done before me. The Lauzon family has been quite researched I have discovered with at least five distinct trees online tracing back to the founding couple Pierre Lauzon and Anne Boivin. The line I am looking at descends through their son Gilles and Marie Archambault, their son Gilles and Marie-Anne Grolx, their son Gilles and Marie Anne Viau dit Lesperance, their son Joseph and Marie Catherine Fontigney dite St Jean. This marriage I have found on Drouin and was the point that I was at in my research yesterday when I found the earlier information where I now need to locate the records. I have the marriage for Augustin (son of Joseph and Marie Catherine) who married Clemence Chaumont to their son Joseph married to Rosalie Thibaut. Their son Augustin married Hélèna Brunet at Notre Dame de la Salette, Papineau and their eldest son Joseph Telesphore Augustin Lauzon married Dora Lanoie at Sturgeon Falls in 1910. I wondered if this was correct but my good fortune yesterday was to find Augustin and Hélèna at Sturgeon Falls on the 1901 census so this marriage is now working for the tree.

I now have all the information for the tree for the Lauzon family back nine generations (chart is nine generations) once I find all the records before the marriage of Joseph Lauzon and Marie Catherine Fontigney dite St Jean. I would also like to find all the baptisms and burials before I actually give the chart away. I am still lacking information on some of the feeder lines into this family Brunet, Constantineau, Deguire dit LaRose, Brunet dit Lalang, Lanoie, Boileau, Rhéaume, and St Armour. For the first four I need two generations and for the next four I need three generations. So still quite a bit of work.

That still leaves me with three other main lines (Grégoire, Bédard and Mourier). I already know the Mourier line will be more difficult because the furtherest back member that I have traced thus far was born in France in 1845 (although still four generations have been born in Canada!). Amazingly in this entire family that I have researched thus far this is the only individual not born in Canada until we get back into the 1600s (earliest baptism thus far is 1639). An amazing number of French Canadian families (no duplicates thus far) is part of this entire tree. I am putting the emphasis on this research now because of the new baby coming in the spring (our daughter's first niece or nephew, her husband's brother's child). It would be so nice to have a chart all ready for the baby.

Today I shall find the proofs for the Lauzon family and then continue working on the other feeder families for this particular main line.

Back to Genealogy

Today I want to work on the French Canadian ancestry of our son-in-law. I have already been working on the parents of his paternal grandmother seeking out their baptisms and I have been successful. I am hoping that if there is an error she will spot it as she looks over any papers she might have for her family. I want to complete as much of the chart as possible and at the moment I only go back to her 2x great grandparents and the chart has room back to her 5x great grandparents. But I shall work back by generation collecting baptism/birth, marriage and burial/death records from Drouin on Ancestry. I also want to go to Library and Archives Canada to check out the directories for the families (and any other information that might be helpful). I will look at all the published histories for any of these families. So far I am looking at Grégoire, Lauzon, Tremblay, Lanoie, Rheaume, Brunet, Labelle, Séguin, Potvin, Giroux, Blondin, Lacroix, Thibaut, Constantineau, Boileau, St Amour and that is just back to the 2x great grandparents.

A mystery for me is their path and it lead to questions in my mind. The families are in the western area of Québec opposite Ottawa ON and then a movement up to Sturgeon Falls and then back again to Ottawa for one line and the other line comes immediately to the Embrun area. Am I right with the Sturgeon Falls families? I continue to look for proof but it is not impossible for one young man to travel from Papineauville to Sturgeon Falls I do not think but I would like more proof than just the baptisms and marriages. The burials are past the date of record in Ancestry so I will need to try and find that information another way.

Today I shall move back another generation looking for information that I didn't find earlier. As I move back though I have already found baptisms/marriages and burials for a number of the ancestors. It will be a little quicker and then I can start working on the 3x, 4x and 5x great grandparents and see how much information I can find. Unfortunately a lot of these families have not been researched which makes it even more important to try and find information and especially pictures if they are obtainable.

I will also spend a little more time on my Siderfin family today and continue to send information to my new correspondent.

2010 - New Year and first post

The New Year has arrived and it is already the fourth day in before my first post of the year. We have had a few snowfalls of mostly 5 to 10 centimetres so our ground level is gradually building up. The advantage of the cold is the more compacted snow falls :) The snow will now build up (unless global warming hits us) until mid April when it will rapidly decrease yielding the green fields of May. It is always that way here and the green generally survives until mid Summer (and all summer if no drought) when we start watering a little. I can only remember a couple of years when water was rationed in our area. With the Ottawa River only steps away we always have plenty of water.

Our Christmas Tree is waiting to come down on the 6th although I may take it down today. This is the shortest season on record for us as the tree did not go up until after the wedding on the 19th. We just never got to decorating it. The last of the wedding cupcakes are being eaten and there is just 1/4 of the golf cake left.

Last night I backed up my machine on my external drive so I am ready to start once again to search through the records but I shall concentrate for the moment on our son-in-law's families. I want to complete the chart for his paternal grandmother. I am hoping that we might be able to get some pictures as well to add to the tree.

I will also spend some time on the Siderfin family with the new information which I received from a descendant of the elusive Thomas Siderfin baptized 1777 and the youngest brother of my 3x great grandmother Elizabeth (Betty) Siderfin baptized 1759. Grace (their mother) did not mention Thomas in her will but she wrote the will before he was born. Why she didn't add a codicil is a mystery. His father Robert mentioned only his three sons in his will (John, Robert and Thomas). Robert died at Selworthy and Grace at Knowle but she was widowed 11 years and I suspect was living with her eldest son John at Knowle. She was only 68 when she died. The published book on this family has done a rather interesting thing. First of all the father of my Elizabeth (and her siblings John, Mary, Grace, Elizabeth, Ann, Robert and Thomas) is said to be Robert brother to Augustine. The father of John, Robert and Thomas is said to be Robert son of Augustine. They both have Grace Kent are their wife. I have searched the records for Selworthy and do not find two Robert Siderfins married to Grace . Since Robert brother to Augustine would have been 67 when he married and 74 when my 3x great grandmother was born I have always been somewhat dubious but being new to Genealogy I did not feel that I could challenge the book without a good deal of proof. My 2x great grandmother Elizabeth Rew was born at Bratton (property which had been given to Robert and Thomas by their father Robert) and in 1841 we find John Rew and Robert Siderfin with Ann sister to Robert and Elizabeth living at Higher Upcott Farm (Wootton Courtney). Finding them together is quite fascinating. We know at this point John Rew traveled back to Devon with his son Thomas and his daughter Elizabeth (Rew) Pincombe as he died at Thomas' farm Sheepwash in 1848. Unfortunately Robert Siderfin didn't live to 1851 to show us the relationship but one would hardly expect to find him living at the Nurcombe farm if he wasn't related to Ann. Interestingly the Chapman family that is found there is also related to the Nurcombe family. These were difficult times for small farmers as the land was being reclaimed by land owners and many of them were without land to farm. John and Robert though were quite elderly and could simply have decided to no longer farm.

However, I digress. My correspondent finds that her ancestors were born at Derby whereas I have them born in Somerset. I was incorrect and made those corrections. That is a project for today aside from the work on French Canadian ancestry. I do want to eventually get back to my Blake family and the records I was transcribing. The new DNA Blake webpages are excellent and I hope will lead to a discovery about my Blake line. Thus far no one has tested other than my brother for the Hampshire line as far as I can tell. Most of the individuals testing are for the Irish Blake lines, the Devon Blake lines and the Norfolk Blake lines. I am still not sure that anyone has tested that can trace back to Somerset or Wiltshire. The new site though is dedicated to the Blake family and an excellent resource for anyone searching out their Blake ancestry.