An excellent summation of the Blake descendants of Humphrey Blake at Overstowey is available at the Blake Museum in Bridgwater Somerset UK. The chart indicates that it is an extract and it commences with information on Humphrey Blake of Overstowey who died in 1558. This Humphrey is the father of Robert Blake who was a Merchant at Bridgwater with Robert being the grandfather of Lord High Admiral Sir Robert Blake (son of Humphrey Blake of Bridgwater 1563-1625).
Of particular interest to me is the indication that Thomas Blake yeoman of Wedmore (will (1581) transcribed in my blog of 13 Apr 2012) was a son of Humphrey Blake of Overstowey (1558) and thus a brother to Robert Blake merchant at Bridgwater as mentioned above.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/04/will-of-thomas-blake-of-wedmore.html
Thomas had four children mentioned in his will namely: Thomas, John, Luce and Elizabeth. Thus far I have not traced this family down and given their close relationship with the Overstowey family would likely be an interesting line to follow.
The yDNA study for the Blake family has two new member results in and one matches 32/37 Group E with known English ancestry from the early 1600s to the present. The differences CDYa/b (common amongst sibling descendants, fast moving marker), DYS570 (fast moving marker), DYS460 (could help to separate out family lines), DYS464 (common amongst sibling descendants, fast moving marker), DYS459 (could help to separate out family lines). Although 32/37 may be related rather than are related having the same surname from the same general area of England is rather interesting. I shall attempt to take the line of the newest tester back a few generations.
The other new member is testing I2b1 same as the haplogroup of the Theophilus Blake descendants but he is separated from them by 13 markers on 37 so unlikely to be descendant of this line. With the I haplogroup he could be from anywhere in the British Isles. I believe I will name this group British Isles Ancestry (2) for the moment.
Blake yDNA study site at FT DNA:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/blake/default.aspx?section=yresults
Group E results tend to make me think that my line is a second distinct line at Andover Hampshire with Group E perhaps predominating there. Blake descendants of the Andover Hampshire family testing would help to confirm that thought. My own ancestral line is small from the mid 1600s to the early 1800s.
Friday, July 27, 2012
Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Blake yDNA results
Some interesting results in the Blake yDNA study:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/blake/default.aspx?section=yresults
The two latest results belong to I2b1 and R1b. The I2b1 is not in the Theophilus Blake grouping. The R1b matches another member of the group and I hope to be able to tell more about this particular grouping for the Blake family.
Still busy working on Blake marriages and I am now into Buckinghamshire. This process is working quite well and I have found a number of the couples on the census. When I move to putting families together I think that the study will be quite effective.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/blake/default.aspx?section=yresults
The two latest results belong to I2b1 and R1b. The I2b1 is not in the Theophilus Blake grouping. The R1b matches another member of the group and I hope to be able to tell more about this particular grouping for the Blake family.
Still busy working on Blake marriages and I am now into Buckinghamshire. This process is working quite well and I have found a number of the couples on the census. When I move to putting families together I think that the study will be quite effective.
Friday, July 13, 2012
Blake marriages from 1837 to 1950 in Bedfordshire and Berkshire
I have completed Bedfordshire marriages from 1837 to 1950 and working on the same years in Berkshire. I sought advice from my colleagues at the Guild of one name studies and the approach I am using of a flat file (Excel) for all the marriages seems to be the most frequent and I will continue to fill in that one. Eventually when I have more details on family lines then I will move to registration district pages again in an Excel file. I can readily bring Excel into Access for querying.
I am still committed to using TNG for my web page display but will not rush into that at the moment. I find it interesting but will continue to look at other types of web display. The Blake family will be very large so I need something that is easy to use. As my research groups become more familiar to me then I will be able to let them work on their individual portions. It will require documentation of sources though to move backwards in time. That way all members will achieve the most benefit from the webpages. My own line continues to sit with Nicholas Blake and Robert Blake at Enham Hampshire with mother Jone Blake (widow, who left her will in 1527 naming her children but unfortunately no indication of her husband's name). A little more research on my part to see if reading the old wills in Hampshire can help me to discover his name.
Reading the Berkshire wills for the Blake family did reveal at least an acquaintanceship between the Enham Blake family and the Blake families found in Berkshire. I also want to pursue that to see if I can find any other documents linking these two lines.
I am still committed to using TNG for my web page display but will not rush into that at the moment. I find it interesting but will continue to look at other types of web display. The Blake family will be very large so I need something that is easy to use. As my research groups become more familiar to me then I will be able to let them work on their individual portions. It will require documentation of sources though to move backwards in time. That way all members will achieve the most benefit from the webpages. My own line continues to sit with Nicholas Blake and Robert Blake at Enham Hampshire with mother Jone Blake (widow, who left her will in 1527 naming her children but unfortunately no indication of her husband's name). A little more research on my part to see if reading the old wills in Hampshire can help me to discover his name.
Reading the Berkshire wills for the Blake family did reveal at least an acquaintanceship between the Enham Blake family and the Blake families found in Berkshire. I also want to pursue that to see if I can find any other documents linking these two lines.
Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Blake marriages 1837 on
I continue to work on my excel file of the nearly 30,000 Blake marriages between 1837 and the mid 1900s on Free BMD (I was a transcriber for Free BMD for about six years and it was the first project that I took on when I became interested in genealogy). Principally I am spending time on the 1837 to 1911 marriages so that I can then move to the census and using Free BMD, Find My Past and Ancestry put together family groupings that I can then link back to the information that I have acquired on the Blake families in particular areas in the Parish Registers. This is an enormous task but I try to do a little each week.
I will return to working on WordPress and the Blake one name study page as I want to become very familiar with this piece of software before purchasing TNG. I have had a few comments on TNG and other software for displaying online information. I think that TNG thus far gives me the type of display that I want for the Blake one name study. I have been using Tribal Pages for the Pincombe one name study and need to do more work on that site as well but without an effective yDNA study it is really concentrated in the Bishops Nympton/South Molton/North Molton and London areas plus my line in Canada.
The Blake marriages on Free BMD are often enough in small areas so that I can readily connect the correct spouse and in the case of the female line I record only the husband's name (and eventually children when I find them) but nothing further down (and that includes my own family line since my married surname is Kipp).
For the work that I have done on Routledge they have invited me to join the family group but my Routledge lines are from my 3x great grandparents as I descend from their daughter Elizabeth Mary Ann (born 1804 Parkhead, Bewcastle, Cumberland, England). My grandfather carried the name Routledge as his second name but I haven't joined the society because I do not want to set a precedent. It is so much easier to just say when you marry out of a line then only your children will be recorded in a one name study. When you start to move to precedents then it invites conflict I rather think.
I will return to working on WordPress and the Blake one name study page as I want to become very familiar with this piece of software before purchasing TNG. I have had a few comments on TNG and other software for displaying online information. I think that TNG thus far gives me the type of display that I want for the Blake one name study. I have been using Tribal Pages for the Pincombe one name study and need to do more work on that site as well but without an effective yDNA study it is really concentrated in the Bishops Nympton/South Molton/North Molton and London areas plus my line in Canada.
The Blake marriages on Free BMD are often enough in small areas so that I can readily connect the correct spouse and in the case of the female line I record only the husband's name (and eventually children when I find them) but nothing further down (and that includes my own family line since my married surname is Kipp).
For the work that I have done on Routledge they have invited me to join the family group but my Routledge lines are from my 3x great grandparents as I descend from their daughter Elizabeth Mary Ann (born 1804 Parkhead, Bewcastle, Cumberland, England). My grandfather carried the name Routledge as his second name but I haven't joined the society because I do not want to set a precedent. It is so much easier to just say when you marry out of a line then only your children will be recorded in a one name study. When you start to move to precedents then it invites conflict I rather think.
Monday, July 9, 2012
Calendar of Letters and Papers relating to the Affairs of the Borders of England and Scotland (edited by Joseph Bain) Volume 1, 1560-1594
I decided to type out this particular section as I want to extract the Routledge names and places mentioned herein. I find when I type it I retain more of the information than just reading it. Calendar of Letters and Papers relating to the Affairs of the Borders of England and Scotland (edited by Joseph Bain) Volume 1, 1560-1594. Pages 120 - 128. I have several of these entries which will be interesting for the Routledge family.
197. (End of 1583) Thomas Musgrave to Burghley, on the Border Riders
Because I understand that your honour is not well acquainted with the names of the waters and the dwelling places of the riders and ill doers both of England and Scotland, "I beinge animated by your lordshipes late curtesyes and inquisitions, have made boulde to present this platt both of theire names, dwellynges and allyaunces, one with another, trusting your lordship will accepte my dutye towarde your selfe and good will to my cuntrey, not takinge uppon me to doe any thinge as a good clarke, for that I have not applyed my mynd to so good an exersyes, but have bene traned in service, for defence of her Majesties poore people, that my father had the credyte and charge of, in which I have spente a great part of my tyme, not without the losse of my bloode, and manye troblesome travels and dangers, but with the losse of my deare frendes and companyons which have bene cruelly murdered by the rebellyous Scottes. Maye it please therefore your lordship to understand, that the ryver called Lyddall, is a fayre ryver, and hath her course douine Lyddisdall, soe as the dale hath the name of the ryver. The ryver is all Scottishe, untill it come to Kyrsopp foote, planted with Ellotes untill it come neare Wheatoughe towre, then the Armestronges inhabit it on bothe sydes, untill it come to Kyrsopp foote, where it takes the dyvysion of the realmes from Kyrsopp - then the Armestronges have the one syde, and the Englishe Fosters the other syde, soe it desendes by the Harlowe on the one syde and the Haythawyt on the other, and runeth into the ryver called Eske. Kyrsopp is a smale becke and desendes from the wast grounde called Kyrsope heade. It devydes the realmes from the meare dyke untill it meat with Lyddall, and is from the head unto the foote without habitacion, and at the foote of it is the fortes. Black Leven water is a littell brooke, and so is Whyt Leven the lyke, and are not in anie place a myle and a halfe dystant one from an other, and are inhabyted with the Nyxons, untill it come to a place called the Blackdobs, and then the Rutligis dwell on bothe the sydes of it, untill it come to a place called the Lukkins of Leven, then it desendes Sowpert, wheare the Taylors have it, then it desendes the boundes of Sopert, and is inhabyted with Graymes called the Graymes of Leven, and runeth into the ryver of Eske at Gorthe Storys howse called the Lard. Eske is a fayre ryver, and cometh through Esdall, and is Scottishe, inhabyted with Battesons of Esdell, untill it come neare a place called the Langhalme castill and meateth with the water called Use, which waters and dales are both my Lorde Maxwells untill it come to Canonby Kyrke, and then the Armestronges and Scottishe Graymes have it untill it meete the ryver of Lydall at the Mote skore, where Fargus Grayme his howse standes. Then it taketh the devysyon of the realmes untill it come to a place called Morton rigge where Will of Kinmont dwelleth; then there is a mere dyke that goeth to a ryver called Sarke, then is Eske Englishe on both sydes and Sarke ryver devydes, and there are Graymes on both sydes, the one English, the other Scottishe untill it come to Gretnay, where it meteth Eske and both rune to Bownus and soe take the sea. I shall therefore sett downe the Ellottes of the head of Lyddall as my skyle will afforde, that your lordship maye know the better when their deedes shall come in question.
The Ellottes of Lyddisdall:
Robin Ellot of the Reddhughe, cheife of the Ellotes; Wille Ellot of Harskarth his brother; Gebbe Ellott his brother; Arche Ellot his brother; Gawan Ellot his brother; Hobbe Ellot of the Hewghus; John Ellot his brother; Adam Ellot of the Shaws; Arche Ellot called Fyre the brayes; Gybbe Ellot of the Shaues; Gorth Simson; Martin Ellot called Rytchis Martyn. All theise are Robin Ellotes brethren, or his men that are daly at his commandement. The grayne of the Ellotes called the Borneheedes: Joke Ellot called Joke of Ramsgill; Hobbe Ellot called Curst Hobbe; Addam Ellot called Condus; Arche Ellot called Arche of Hill; Joke Ellot of the Hill; Joke Ellot called Halfe loges. The grayne of the Ellotes of the Parke: Sims John Ellot of the Parke; Will Ellot, gray Wille; Hobbe Ellot called Scotes Hobbe; Jeme Ellot of the Parke; Jeme Ellot called gray Wills Jeme; Hobbe Ellot called Hobbs Hobbe. The grayne of Martyn Ellot of the Bradley hyghe in Lyddal: - Martyn Ellot of the Bradley; Sime Ellot his sonne; Gowan Ellot called the clarke; Hobbe Ellot his brother; Arche Ellot his brother; Joke Ellot called Copshawe; John Ellot of Thornesope; Will Ellot of the Steele; Dand Ellot of the Brandley; John Ellot of the same; Seme Ellot of Hardin. All theise Ellotes and manie more of them are at Robin Ellotes commandment and dwell betwixt the Armytage in Lyddisdall and Whethough towre - fewe of them marryed with Englishe women.
The Lord of Mangerton and his frendes, and their allyaunces with England:
Seme Armstronge lord of Mangerton marryed John Fosters daughter of Kyrsope foot, and hath by her issue; Joke Armestronge called the Lordes Joke dwelleth under Denyshill besydes Kyrsope in Denisborne, and maryed Anton Armestronges daughter of Wylyave in Gilsland; John Armestronge called the lordes John, marryet Rytche Graymes sister called Meadope, and he hathe two sonnes ryders in England. Joke his eldest sonne marryed Hobbe Fosters daughter of Kersope alyes; Thome Armestronge called the lordes Tome, dwelleth on a place called Hyghe Morgarton, not marryed with Englande. Runyon Armestrong called the lordes Runyon, dwelleth in a place called the Thornythaite. Rowye Armestronge called the lordes Rowye, dwelleth in Tarrassyde, and marryed oulde Archer Graymes daughter. Seme Armestronge called yonge Seme, dwelleth on the Flates nere Margerton, and marryed Rowye Fosters doughter called Robins Rowye. Thom Armestronge called Sims Thom, dwelleth in the Demayne Holme by Lendall syde, and maryed Wat Storyes daughter of Eske, called Wat of the Hove ende. Dik Armestronge of Dryup, dwelleth nere Hyghe Morgarton, and his wyfe is a Scottishe woamen. Joke Armestronge of the Caufeld dwelleth on the Cawfeld, not marryed in England. Gorthe Armestronge of the Bygams dwelleth on the Bygams, and marryed Will of Carl(i)lles daughter. All theise are the Lorde of Morgertons unckles, or unckles sonnes at the farthest.
The Armestronges of the Howse of Whetaughe Towre:
Lance Armestrone the olde lord of Whetaughe; Sime Armestronge the yonge lord his sonne; Andrewe Armestronge called the ladyes Andrewe; Arche Armestronge his brother; Frauncis Armestronge his brother; John Armestronge, called John of Whetaugh; Hobbe Armestronge his sonne, marryed Jeme Fosters daughter of the Stangerth syde; Joke Armestronge his brother; Rynyon Armestronge called Gaudee; Rynyon Armestronge called Rynyon of Twedon; Hector Armestronge of the same; Joke Armestronge of the same. All theise, and more that I cannot call to remembrance are the lord of Whethaugh his sonnes and brothers sonnes.
Hector Armestronge of the Harlawe and his frendes and allyes, Hector Armestronge called ould Hector; Hector his sonne called yonge Hector, marryed Fargus Graymes daughter. Wille Armestronge called Hectors Wille; Thome Armestronge called Hectors Tome; Andrewe Armestronge of the Harlawe; Patton Armestronge of the Harlawe; Alexander Armestronge called the Gatwarde, marryed Gawins Wille Fosters daughter.
The Armestronges of Melyonton quarter and theire allyes with England: Arche Armestronge called Rynyons Arche; Gorthe Armestronge sonne to Rynyon; Sime Armestronge, called Whetlesyd, marryed two English women - the fyrst was Robin Fosters daughter, the other Thome Graymes daughter called little Thome. Aby Armestronge sonne to Rynyon; Will Armestronge called Will of Powterlampert; Gorthe Armestronge called yonge Gorthe of Arkyldon, marryed Will of Radhall doughter; Rynyon Armestronge his brother; Martyn Armestronge his brother; Dave Armestronge of Whetlesyd; Andrewe Armestronge of Kyrkton; Hector Armestronge of Chengles; Thome Arnestronge his brother marryed Gourth Routlishe daughter of Shetbelt. Elle Armestronge his brother, marryed John Fosters daughter of Krakrop. Eme Armestronge his brother; Arche Armestronge his brother; Riche Armestronge called Carhand; Thome Armestronge called old Thome of Chengles; Abye Armestronge called Thoms Abye; Arche Armestronge his brother; Rynyon Armestronge his brother.
The Armestronges of the Langholme and theire allyes with England: Creste Armestronge goodman of the Langholme castell, marryed Robbye Graymes sister called Robbe of the Feild; John Armestronge of the Hollus, marryed Water Graymes sister of Netherby. Creste Armestronge of Borngles marryed Gorthe Grames daughter called Thomas Gorthe of Eske; Hector Armestronge of the Stobbam; Rich Armestronge called Ekkes Riche.
The Armestronges that came of the offspringe of Ill Wills Sandy, Ebye Armestronge the goodman of Waddusles; Wille Armestronge his eldest sonne dwelleth in England, and enjoyeth that land that Kinge Henry the Eight gave old Sand Armestronge; Dave Armestronge his brother; Sande Armestronge his brother; Creste Armestronge called Sandes Creste; Creste Armestronge his sonne, and other two sonnes whose names I knowe not. Wille Armestronge called Kynmont, marryed Hotchane Grames daughter, sister to Hot(c)hans Ritche. Joke Armestronge his sonne; Gorthe Armestronge his brother; Frauncis Armestronge his brother; Thome Armestronge his brother; Rynyon Armestronge called Sandes Rynyon; Thome Armestronge his sonne; Arche Armestronge, called Sandes Arche; Forge Armestronge called Sandes Forge; Joke Armestronge called Castills; Joke Armestronge, called Walls; Dave Armestronge, called Dave of Kannonby, marryed Patyes Gorthes Grams doughter. Wille Armestronge his brother; Jeme his brother; John Armestronge called Skinabake; Thome Armestronge of Rowenborne; Gorthe Armestronge of the same, marryed Jeme Taylors daughter of Harper hill.
Thus have I come downe Lyddell with the Ellotes and Armestronges alonge the Scottishe syde, and I will goe forward downe Eske syde so far as it is Scottishe, and I will goe on to Gratney to the sea, and then come back to the Englishe syde, and so goe downe agayne, that your honor maye be the more parfyte howe they dwell one agaynst the other.
The Urwens and theire alleyaunce with England downe to the Rad Kyrcke.
The Lord of Graynay marryed Forgus Grams doughter. Watt Urwen of Gratney hill marryed Robin Fosters doughter. Riche Urwen of Greatney hill; Edward Urwen of Gratnaye. Mongo Urwen marryed William Grames doughter of Levne. Will Urwen of Sarke bridge marryed Littell Thome Graymes doughter. Will Urwen of Readhall. Edward Urwen of Kyrke Patrick. Edward Urwen of the Banshaue marryed oulde Riche the Grames doughter of Netherby. Creste Urwen his sonne. Will Urwen of Kyrkconill; Jefrey Urwen of the Bonshawe; Edward Urwen called yonge Edward, marryed Robbe Grames doughter of the Fald. Gorthe Urwen of the Bonshawe; John Urwen called the Dukes John.
Heare endes the waters ande goe into the sea. And nowe that I have made an ende of the Scottishe syde of the water, I wil begin at Kyrsope, and so down Lyddall agayne.
The Fosters of Kyrsope and Lyddall, and theire alleyaunce with Scotland:
Frauncis Foster of Kyrsopefoote marryed Martyn Ellotes doughter of the Bradley. Hobb Foster of Kyrsope leys marryed Will Fosters daughter of Grena in Liddisdaill. Rowe Foster marryed Sandes Creste Armestronges doughter. Will Foster called Will of the Closse; Joke Foster of the same; Jeme Foster of the Staugo(r)thsyde; Will Foster of the Rone; John Foster his sonne marryed John Armestronges doughter of Whethaughe. Andrewe Foster his brother; Arche Forster his brother; Joke Foster of the Neuk; Andrew Foster of the same; John Foster of the same; Edward Foster of the same; Gorthe Foster of the Stangerthsyde; Andrewe Foster of the same; Jeme Foster called Adams Jeme; Will Foster of the Rotter forde; John Foster his sonne; Davy Foster of the Rotter forde. Theise Fosters dwell all juste agaynst the Armestronges , and deare neighbours. Nowe I will come to the Ruttligis that dwell within them, and then I will on with Soupart and the Graymes till I come to Bownus.
The Ruttligis and there alleyaunce with Scotland which is but little, for that they are every mans praye:
John Rutledge of the Cructborne, slayne by the Scottish ryders. Gerrey his sonne; Addame Rutledge of the Neteclughe; Anton Rutledge of the same; Andrew Rutledge of the same; Dikes Rowe Rutledge; Jeme Rutledge of the Neuk; Jeme Rutledge of the Stubbe; Jeme Rutledge called yonge Jeme; Jarre Rutledge of the Stubbe; Thome Rutledge of Todhills; Allane of the same; Dike Rutledge of the Baley heade; Thome Rutledge of the same. All theise dwell in a place called the Bale, within the Fosters. More Rutlidges dwell downe the water of Levne. John Ruttlidge of the Black Dobs; Nicoll Rutlidge his brother; Andrewe Rutlidge called Black stafe; Gourthe Rutledge of Sletbeke; Jeme Ruttlidge of the same; Will Ruttlidge of Comcrauke; Riche of the same; Johne of the same; Jeme Rutledge of the same; John Ruttlidge of Troughed; Riche Rutlidge of the same; John Rutlidge of the same; Allan Rutlidge his brother; John Dodshone, slayne by the Scottes; Willi Rutlidge of the Lukknes. And manie more that I omyt for tedyousnes to your honor.
Within the Ruttligis, dwell the Nyxons on both the Levens.
Cleme Nixon of the Hole of Levne; Arche Nixson of Kendall; Hobbe Nyxon called Malles Hobbe; John Nixon Daves John; thome Nixon Henryes Thome; Arche Nixon Wates Arche; Will Nyxon called Beksword; Cudde Nyxon Blankirtluges; Will Nyxon called Byntaby; Cleme Nixon Charles Cleme; Hector Nyxon of the Shate; John Nyxon of the same; John Nyxon Crestes John; Jenkins Ady Nyxon; John Nixon, Wills John; John Nyxon of the Parke.
Within the Nyxons dwell the Nobles, Taylors, some of the Grames, and a fewe Storyes, and are hard by the Howse of Bewcastell.
Hobbe Noble; Anthon Noble; Jeme Noble; Arche Noble of the Eshecrofte; Will Noble of the Crew, murthered by old Whethaugh; Monge Noble; Dike Noble; Gourth Noble; Addame Noble of the Stokasted; Will Taylor of the Graynes; Thom Taylor of the same; Robin Story of the same; Addam Storye of Pelahill; Will Storye of the same; Nicholl Smison; Will Smison slayne; Jenkin Smison; John Rutlidge of Kemorflat; Will Rutlidge of Kyrkbekmouthe; John Makrobin; Arche Scot; John Noble of the Saughes. Theise all dwell within the demayne of Bewcastell.
The Belbank, and it is within the Rutliges and is next unto Gylslande.
Hector Noble; Cleme Rutlidge of the Kyll; Jenkyn Rutlidge of Belbanke; Will Rutlidge of Nunsclughe; Arche Poudam; Thome Poudam; Gorth Rutlidge of Mastthorne; Edde Poudam; Gorthe Poudam; Jenkyn Poudam; Creste Poudam; Dave Poudam; Alexander Poudam; Will Foster of the Lynehalme; Allayne Foster of the same. Theise joyne all uppon Gylslande, my lorde of Arrundalls land; howe be it the furthest parte of Lyddisdall and the furthest parte of Bewcastell are not distant xvj myles, so as the ryders may by night easely come to anie parte of it, and doe theire accustomed evill deedes, and be at theire owne howses longe before daye. They may, as there use is, go x of xij myles further into the cuntrey, either upon my lorde of Arrundalls landes or Christopher Dacres, and make a spoyle, and be at home before daie. Heare your honor maye see howe the Fosters inhabit uttermost, the Rutliges next them, and the Nixons next them, and next the howse of Bewcastell the Nobles and others, as I have sett downe before. So I will pas on to Soupart and downe the water on oure English syde; and within Soupart standes Hethersgill, all Hethringtons, almost to Carlill, beinge my lady Knevetes grounde and William Musgraves, and hath there Skalby castell, a strong howse and a fayre, very well set for a captayne to lye in - yet it is not kept by anie souldyars, not skantly anie dweller in it.
Soupart, and the Taylors that dwell there.
Sim Taylor; Jerre Taylor, Gibs sonne; Joke Taylor; John Taylor called Chefton; Cudde Taylor called Pottes Cudde; John Taylor called Shanke; Will Rutlidge of the Lukins; Will Rutlidge of the Sinke heade. Thus farr goeth Bewcastell parte of Souport, and the other halfe is inhabyted with Taylors and belonges to William Musgrave, therefore I over pas theire names.
Heare I will note unto your honor, of the Grames and how they did fyrst inhabit the water of Eske; for within the memorye of man yet beinge, they had no land there, but the Storyes had it and the right thereof, for my old Lorde Daker havinge made a wardein rode, was by Englishmen betrayed, and Scotland had intelligence of his cuminge before he came, and was ready for him, so as he and all the cuntrey was in great perill. My Lorde Dakers, suspectinge olde Riche Grame, did apprehend him, and thought to have executed him for that cause; it was his fortune to eskape out of the pryson, and in short tyme made him selfe cleare of that fact - for he did apprehand the deed doer, beinge a Story. The Storyes, fearinge my lorde Dakers fury, fled and lefte the cuntrey, and went into Northumberland to a place called Killum, where they yet dwell and are a great surname. They beinge gone, Rich Grayme, Fergus his brother, and theire brethren, did devyde theire groundes amongest them, and are growen to a hughe companie of men, that came of thes fyve brethren of the Grames as followeth:
Rich Grame of Netherby and his sonnes, his sonnes sonnes, and their allyaunces with Scotland.
Dik Grame called Riches Dik; Water his sonne marryed Robbe of the Faldes daughter; Dave his brother marryed the larde of Meskyrshin his daughter; Will Grame his brother; Sime Grame his brother; Will Grame second sonne of old Riche, mrryed his fryst wyfe, the larde of Mangertons daughter, and hath nowe Robin Ellotes sister of Lyddisdall; Joke Grame his sonne called Black Joke; Forge Grame his brother; Riche Grame his brother, marryed Wat Bells doughter; Frauncis Grame his brother; Robbe Grame his brother; Frauncis Grame his brother marryed Will Bells doughter; Arche Grayme his brother; Thomas Grame his brother, called coseninge Thomas; Joke Grame his brother called gallotes Joke; Sim Grame his brother; Gorth Grame sonne to old Rich did become Scottishe, and dwelleth at the Red kyrke in Scotland, and was marryed with the Hamiltons. He had by her yssue as followeth: Riche Grame, he marryed A(r)thor of Carlills daughter; Wat Grame his brother; Gorth Grame his brother; Creste Grame his brother; John Grame his brother. Theise and a nomber more that I cannot calle to memorye, came of old Rich of Netherby, besydes his doghter sonnes, which altogether be more than a hundreth men besydes women.
Fergus Grame, and those that came of him:
Will Grame, Arthor Grame, theise were both condemned of wilfull murder, and in the rebellion were loused, one by my Lorde Scroup, the other by Sir Simon Musgrave but shortly after Wille Grame was slayne. Arthor was not askt for anie more, and dwelt on his fathers landes at the Mote, and marryed the larde of Newbye daughter, and hath by her iiijer sonnes not yet men. Riche Grame there brother marryed Allen Baytes doughter in Esdall and hath iiijor or v sonnes by her, and not yet men. Gorth Grame his brother marryed Jokke Bells daughter, and hath by her children. Frauncis Grame his brother marryed Edward Urwens doughter of the Bonshawe, and is become Scottishe and dwelleth in Cannonby, sworne denyzant to the Kinge; Jokke Grame called Sandhills his brother; Crest Grame his brother; Hobbe Grame his brother.
Thome Grame brother to Rich and his yssue:
Dave Grame of the Baukehead; Gorth Grame, called Thomas Gorthe; Creste Grame his brother; Arch Grame his brother. Gorth Grame marryed Will of Kynmontes syster, and Thomas Carlton that seketh all the dispyte agaynst me, marryed his doughter - so his wyfes frendes will come on the daie to him and her, and spoyle on the night as they go home - and this my lorde Scrup doth suspect in Charleton. Jokke Grame Gorthes sonne; Sand Grame his brother.
Hutcheon Grame and other brethren, and his issue:
Andrew Grame marryed Dave Jonstons doughter in Anerdall; Robbe Grame his brother marryed Edward Urwens doughter of the Bonshawe; Arthor Grame his brother; Riche Grame Andrewes brother, marryed Addame of Carlells doughter in Anerdall.
John Grayme called the Brayd, another brother, had yssue:
Rytche Grame called Medhopp, and marryed Edward Urwens sister of Kyrke Patrick; Will Grame his brother, marryed the larde of Gratney his sister. Jokke Grame called Braddes Jokke; Jokke Grame of Medope marryed Edward Urwens doughter of Bonshawe; Sime Grame his brother; Forge Grame his brother; Frauncis Grame his brother; Jokke Grame his brother.
Will Grame called Will of Carlill an other brother and his yssue:
Arthor Grame of Carlill is Scottishe, and dwelleth by the Red kyrke in Scotland. Forge Grame, called Forge of the Nunery, his brother, dwelleth on the grounde Kinge Henry gave his father; Wille Grame his brother, called Will of Rose-trees; Gorth Grame his brother, called Gorth of Carlill.
Will Grame of the Fald, an other brother of old Riches of Netherby and his issue:
Robbe Grame of the Fald marryed the larde of Hawmans his doughter; Will of the Fald his brother marryed Hector Armestranges doughter of the Harlowe; Gorth Grame of the Fald.
The Grames of Levne, which are great ryders and ill doers to both the realmes:
Dike Grame called Blacke Dike; Will Grame his sonne; Robbe Grame his sonne; Wat Grame his sonne. John Grame of West Linton; Andrew Grame of the Mill; Gorth Grame Parsalls Gorth; Thome Grame son to Alyes Wille; Rany Grame; Humfray Grame; Jorthe Grame, Patyes Jorthe; Will Grame called Dikes Will; Dik Grame of the Woodes; Thome Grame called Markes Thome; Will Grame called Stanyston ryge; Pett Grame called Thomas Payt; Gorth Grame his brother; Rich Grame of Randelenton. These are of Eske: Gorth Grame of Peretree; Jokke Grame his sonne; Will Grame of the Peretree; Forge Grame of Gravockhall; Blake Jokes Jone Grame.
The cross frendes and varyaunces, one surname with an other:
The Ellotes with the Fenykes; The Armestronges, Grames, and Urwens with the Musgraves; the Grames with the Bells; the Grames with the Maxwells; the Armestronges with the Robsons of Tendall; the Fosters with Je(d)worth Forrest; the Taylors with the Armestronges.
The wast groundes that are west of Bewcastell, which I estimate is broad xviij myles from Whyt Levne head to the hed of Kylder water; and from Kersope hed to the head of Cokket water is further to my judgment. When Leddisdall people make anie invacions to the Fenwickes, they goe without Bewcastell x or xij myles, and goe by the Perlfell without the Horse heade nere Kelder, and so alonge abone Chepchase. When they goe to the water of Tyne, they goe by Kyrsopp head, and without the Gele Crage and by Tarnbek and Bogells Gar and so alonge by the Spye Crage, and the Lampert, and come that waye.
Thus your lordshipe may see the vewe of our lawles people, who are growne to suche strengthe as almost non dare offende them, they are a people that wilbe Scottishe when they will, and Englishe at theire pleasure; they kepe gentlemen of the cuntrey in feare, care not what evill accions they take in hand, and by theise allyaunces her Majesties horses that should serve the realme are transported into Scotland, the poore are oppressed, for where they owe displeasure they drawe theire plates and veynes theire purpos untill they have made it sure, and bringes in Scotshmen to do execucions of theire pretence, and make them selves clere of those crymes, that theire brothers, sonnes, sisters children, and other nere kynsfolke and allyaunce doe. The poore crye out and are glade to sell their levinges to them that oppres them, for what it pleaseth them to gyve. I my selfe have sene the Grames assayle my Lord Scrup being wardin, and have put him and the gentlemen of the cuntrey in great perill, and manie of his companie hurte, yet never anie execucion done for it, but all remytted and forgeven, besydes manie other heighe crymes done, and never anie that loste his lyfe for whatsoever they did. Hardly deare anie gentleman of the cuntrey be of any jury of lyfe and death yf anie of them be indyted, as the justices of that circuit can testefie, they are growne so to seke bloode, for they will make a quarrell for the death of theire grandfather, and they will kyll any of the name they are in feade with. So I (my good lord), ame banyshed my cuntrey for feare of my lyfe, and from my place of service, where I have served this x yeres, and I doe but report my doinges to the gentlemen and trewe people of the cuntrey, and my behavyour to my neighbours. And seinge my lord, I ame banished from my frendes and forst to stande on my gard in land of pease, havinge tyed my selfe to all the Queenes lawes which they dare not answer, my onely trust resteth in your honor to be my helpe, trustinge your lordship will pittie my estate and my olde fathers, and I shalbe bounde daly to pray to God for your good health longe lyfe and incresce of much honor.And what I shall take in hand, I hope my lord and master the Earle of Warwick, and his brother, my lord of Hunsdon and my lord presydent of the north, will gyve theire wordes for me. Thus I have shewed my diligence towardes your lordship: hopinge to have perdone for my rashe presumpsion to your lordship, I gyve over to troble your lordship, prayinge the Almightie to preserve your lyfe health and honor longe in this realme of England." Signed: Thomas Musgrave.
*West Tyvidale answereth to the English W.March.
Est Tyvedale answereth to the Midle March.
In West Tyvydale: Lard of Buckclugh, a Scott. Lard of Bedoroule, a Trumboll. Lard of Bon Jedwath, a Dowglass.
In Est Tyvydale: Lard of Cesford, a Carr. Lard of Craynston, a Carr.
"In Lyddisdaile: The cheff ruler is the Lord Bothwell, to whom the Armitag, whereof James Carr is kepar."
19 pp. Addressed at the head: "To the right honorable and my singuler good lord, the Lord Burleigh lord Heigh Treasorer of England."
197. (End of 1583) Thomas Musgrave to Burghley, on the Border Riders
Because I understand that your honour is not well acquainted with the names of the waters and the dwelling places of the riders and ill doers both of England and Scotland, "I beinge animated by your lordshipes late curtesyes and inquisitions, have made boulde to present this platt both of theire names, dwellynges and allyaunces, one with another, trusting your lordship will accepte my dutye towarde your selfe and good will to my cuntrey, not takinge uppon me to doe any thinge as a good clarke, for that I have not applyed my mynd to so good an exersyes, but have bene traned in service, for defence of her Majesties poore people, that my father had the credyte and charge of, in which I have spente a great part of my tyme, not without the losse of my bloode, and manye troblesome travels and dangers, but with the losse of my deare frendes and companyons which have bene cruelly murdered by the rebellyous Scottes. Maye it please therefore your lordship to understand, that the ryver called Lyddall, is a fayre ryver, and hath her course douine Lyddisdall, soe as the dale hath the name of the ryver. The ryver is all Scottishe, untill it come to Kyrsopp foote, planted with Ellotes untill it come neare Wheatoughe towre, then the Armestronges inhabit it on bothe sydes, untill it come to Kyrsopp foote, where it takes the dyvysion of the realmes from Kyrsopp - then the Armestronges have the one syde, and the Englishe Fosters the other syde, soe it desendes by the Harlowe on the one syde and the Haythawyt on the other, and runeth into the ryver called Eske. Kyrsopp is a smale becke and desendes from the wast grounde called Kyrsope heade. It devydes the realmes from the meare dyke untill it meat with Lyddall, and is from the head unto the foote without habitacion, and at the foote of it is the fortes. Black Leven water is a littell brooke, and so is Whyt Leven the lyke, and are not in anie place a myle and a halfe dystant one from an other, and are inhabyted with the Nyxons, untill it come to a place called the Blackdobs, and then the Rutligis dwell on bothe the sydes of it, untill it come to a place called the Lukkins of Leven, then it desendes Sowpert, wheare the Taylors have it, then it desendes the boundes of Sopert, and is inhabyted with Graymes called the Graymes of Leven, and runeth into the ryver of Eske at Gorthe Storys howse called the Lard. Eske is a fayre ryver, and cometh through Esdall, and is Scottishe, inhabyted with Battesons of Esdell, untill it come neare a place called the Langhalme castill and meateth with the water called Use, which waters and dales are both my Lorde Maxwells untill it come to Canonby Kyrke, and then the Armestronges and Scottishe Graymes have it untill it meete the ryver of Lydall at the Mote skore, where Fargus Grayme his howse standes. Then it taketh the devysyon of the realmes untill it come to a place called Morton rigge where Will of Kinmont dwelleth; then there is a mere dyke that goeth to a ryver called Sarke, then is Eske Englishe on both sydes and Sarke ryver devydes, and there are Graymes on both sydes, the one English, the other Scottishe untill it come to Gretnay, where it meteth Eske and both rune to Bownus and soe take the sea. I shall therefore sett downe the Ellottes of the head of Lyddall as my skyle will afforde, that your lordship maye know the better when their deedes shall come in question.
The Ellottes of Lyddisdall:
Robin Ellot of the Reddhughe, cheife of the Ellotes; Wille Ellot of Harskarth his brother; Gebbe Ellott his brother; Arche Ellot his brother; Gawan Ellot his brother; Hobbe Ellot of the Hewghus; John Ellot his brother; Adam Ellot of the Shaws; Arche Ellot called Fyre the brayes; Gybbe Ellot of the Shaues; Gorth Simson; Martin Ellot called Rytchis Martyn. All theise are Robin Ellotes brethren, or his men that are daly at his commandement. The grayne of the Ellotes called the Borneheedes: Joke Ellot called Joke of Ramsgill; Hobbe Ellot called Curst Hobbe; Addam Ellot called Condus; Arche Ellot called Arche of Hill; Joke Ellot of the Hill; Joke Ellot called Halfe loges. The grayne of the Ellotes of the Parke: Sims John Ellot of the Parke; Will Ellot, gray Wille; Hobbe Ellot called Scotes Hobbe; Jeme Ellot of the Parke; Jeme Ellot called gray Wills Jeme; Hobbe Ellot called Hobbs Hobbe. The grayne of Martyn Ellot of the Bradley hyghe in Lyddal: - Martyn Ellot of the Bradley; Sime Ellot his sonne; Gowan Ellot called the clarke; Hobbe Ellot his brother; Arche Ellot his brother; Joke Ellot called Copshawe; John Ellot of Thornesope; Will Ellot of the Steele; Dand Ellot of the Brandley; John Ellot of the same; Seme Ellot of Hardin. All theise Ellotes and manie more of them are at Robin Ellotes commandment and dwell betwixt the Armytage in Lyddisdall and Whethough towre - fewe of them marryed with Englishe women.
The Lord of Mangerton and his frendes, and their allyaunces with England:
Seme Armstronge lord of Mangerton marryed John Fosters daughter of Kyrsope foot, and hath by her issue; Joke Armestronge called the Lordes Joke dwelleth under Denyshill besydes Kyrsope in Denisborne, and maryed Anton Armestronges daughter of Wylyave in Gilsland; John Armestronge called the lordes John, marryet Rytche Graymes sister called Meadope, and he hathe two sonnes ryders in England. Joke his eldest sonne marryed Hobbe Fosters daughter of Kersope alyes; Thome Armestronge called the lordes Tome, dwelleth on a place called Hyghe Morgarton, not marryed with Englande. Runyon Armestrong called the lordes Runyon, dwelleth in a place called the Thornythaite. Rowye Armestronge called the lordes Rowye, dwelleth in Tarrassyde, and marryed oulde Archer Graymes daughter. Seme Armestronge called yonge Seme, dwelleth on the Flates nere Margerton, and marryed Rowye Fosters doughter called Robins Rowye. Thom Armestronge called Sims Thom, dwelleth in the Demayne Holme by Lendall syde, and maryed Wat Storyes daughter of Eske, called Wat of the Hove ende. Dik Armestronge of Dryup, dwelleth nere Hyghe Morgarton, and his wyfe is a Scottishe woamen. Joke Armestronge of the Caufeld dwelleth on the Cawfeld, not marryed in England. Gorthe Armestronge of the Bygams dwelleth on the Bygams, and marryed Will of Carl(i)lles daughter. All theise are the Lorde of Morgertons unckles, or unckles sonnes at the farthest.
The Armestronges of the Howse of Whetaughe Towre:
Lance Armestrone the olde lord of Whetaughe; Sime Armestronge the yonge lord his sonne; Andrewe Armestronge called the ladyes Andrewe; Arche Armestronge his brother; Frauncis Armestronge his brother; John Armestronge, called John of Whetaugh; Hobbe Armestronge his sonne, marryed Jeme Fosters daughter of the Stangerth syde; Joke Armestronge his brother; Rynyon Armestronge called Gaudee; Rynyon Armestronge called Rynyon of Twedon; Hector Armestronge of the same; Joke Armestronge of the same. All theise, and more that I cannot call to remembrance are the lord of Whethaugh his sonnes and brothers sonnes.
Hector Armestronge of the Harlawe and his frendes and allyes, Hector Armestronge called ould Hector; Hector his sonne called yonge Hector, marryed Fargus Graymes daughter. Wille Armestronge called Hectors Wille; Thome Armestronge called Hectors Tome; Andrewe Armestronge of the Harlawe; Patton Armestronge of the Harlawe; Alexander Armestronge called the Gatwarde, marryed Gawins Wille Fosters daughter.
The Armestronges of Melyonton quarter and theire allyes with England: Arche Armestronge called Rynyons Arche; Gorthe Armestronge sonne to Rynyon; Sime Armestronge, called Whetlesyd, marryed two English women - the fyrst was Robin Fosters daughter, the other Thome Graymes daughter called little Thome. Aby Armestronge sonne to Rynyon; Will Armestronge called Will of Powterlampert; Gorthe Armestronge called yonge Gorthe of Arkyldon, marryed Will of Radhall doughter; Rynyon Armestronge his brother; Martyn Armestronge his brother; Dave Armestronge of Whetlesyd; Andrewe Armestronge of Kyrkton; Hector Armestronge of Chengles; Thome Arnestronge his brother marryed Gourth Routlishe daughter of Shetbelt. Elle Armestronge his brother, marryed John Fosters daughter of Krakrop. Eme Armestronge his brother; Arche Armestronge his brother; Riche Armestronge called Carhand; Thome Armestronge called old Thome of Chengles; Abye Armestronge called Thoms Abye; Arche Armestronge his brother; Rynyon Armestronge his brother.
The Armestronges of the Langholme and theire allyes with England: Creste Armestronge goodman of the Langholme castell, marryed Robbye Graymes sister called Robbe of the Feild; John Armestronge of the Hollus, marryed Water Graymes sister of Netherby. Creste Armestronge of Borngles marryed Gorthe Grames daughter called Thomas Gorthe of Eske; Hector Armestronge of the Stobbam; Rich Armestronge called Ekkes Riche.
The Armestronges that came of the offspringe of Ill Wills Sandy, Ebye Armestronge the goodman of Waddusles; Wille Armestronge his eldest sonne dwelleth in England, and enjoyeth that land that Kinge Henry the Eight gave old Sand Armestronge; Dave Armestronge his brother; Sande Armestronge his brother; Creste Armestronge called Sandes Creste; Creste Armestronge his sonne, and other two sonnes whose names I knowe not. Wille Armestronge called Kynmont, marryed Hotchane Grames daughter, sister to Hot(c)hans Ritche. Joke Armestronge his sonne; Gorthe Armestronge his brother; Frauncis Armestronge his brother; Thome Armestronge his brother; Rynyon Armestronge called Sandes Rynyon; Thome Armestronge his sonne; Arche Armestronge, called Sandes Arche; Forge Armestronge called Sandes Forge; Joke Armestronge called Castills; Joke Armestronge, called Walls; Dave Armestronge, called Dave of Kannonby, marryed Patyes Gorthes Grams doughter. Wille Armestronge his brother; Jeme his brother; John Armestronge called Skinabake; Thome Armestronge of Rowenborne; Gorthe Armestronge of the same, marryed Jeme Taylors daughter of Harper hill.
Thus have I come downe Lyddell with the Ellotes and Armestronges alonge the Scottishe syde, and I will goe forward downe Eske syde so far as it is Scottishe, and I will goe on to Gratney to the sea, and then come back to the Englishe syde, and so goe downe agayne, that your honor maye be the more parfyte howe they dwell one agaynst the other.
The Urwens and theire alleyaunce with England downe to the Rad Kyrcke.
The Lord of Graynay marryed Forgus Grams doughter. Watt Urwen of Gratney hill marryed Robin Fosters doughter. Riche Urwen of Greatney hill; Edward Urwen of Gratnaye. Mongo Urwen marryed William Grames doughter of Levne. Will Urwen of Sarke bridge marryed Littell Thome Graymes doughter. Will Urwen of Readhall. Edward Urwen of Kyrke Patrick. Edward Urwen of the Banshaue marryed oulde Riche the Grames doughter of Netherby. Creste Urwen his sonne. Will Urwen of Kyrkconill; Jefrey Urwen of the Bonshawe; Edward Urwen called yonge Edward, marryed Robbe Grames doughter of the Fald. Gorthe Urwen of the Bonshawe; John Urwen called the Dukes John.
Heare endes the waters ande goe into the sea. And nowe that I have made an ende of the Scottishe syde of the water, I wil begin at Kyrsope, and so down Lyddall agayne.
The Fosters of Kyrsope and Lyddall, and theire alleyaunce with Scotland:
Frauncis Foster of Kyrsopefoote marryed Martyn Ellotes doughter of the Bradley. Hobb Foster of Kyrsope leys marryed Will Fosters daughter of Grena in Liddisdaill. Rowe Foster marryed Sandes Creste Armestronges doughter. Will Foster called Will of the Closse; Joke Foster of the same; Jeme Foster of the Staugo(r)thsyde; Will Foster of the Rone; John Foster his sonne marryed John Armestronges doughter of Whethaughe. Andrewe Foster his brother; Arche Forster his brother; Joke Foster of the Neuk; Andrew Foster of the same; John Foster of the same; Edward Foster of the same; Gorthe Foster of the Stangerthsyde; Andrewe Foster of the same; Jeme Foster called Adams Jeme; Will Foster of the Rotter forde; John Foster his sonne; Davy Foster of the Rotter forde. Theise Fosters dwell all juste agaynst the Armestronges , and deare neighbours. Nowe I will come to the Ruttligis that dwell within them, and then I will on with Soupart and the Graymes till I come to Bownus.
The Ruttligis and there alleyaunce with Scotland which is but little, for that they are every mans praye:
John Rutledge of the Cructborne, slayne by the Scottish ryders. Gerrey his sonne; Addame Rutledge of the Neteclughe; Anton Rutledge of the same; Andrew Rutledge of the same; Dikes Rowe Rutledge; Jeme Rutledge of the Neuk; Jeme Rutledge of the Stubbe; Jeme Rutledge called yonge Jeme; Jarre Rutledge of the Stubbe; Thome Rutledge of Todhills; Allane of the same; Dike Rutledge of the Baley heade; Thome Rutledge of the same. All theise dwell in a place called the Bale, within the Fosters. More Rutlidges dwell downe the water of Levne. John Ruttlidge of the Black Dobs; Nicoll Rutlidge his brother; Andrewe Rutlidge called Black stafe; Gourthe Rutledge of Sletbeke; Jeme Ruttlidge of the same; Will Ruttlidge of Comcrauke; Riche of the same; Johne of the same; Jeme Rutledge of the same; John Ruttlidge of Troughed; Riche Rutlidge of the same; John Rutlidge of the same; Allan Rutlidge his brother; John Dodshone, slayne by the Scottes; Willi Rutlidge of the Lukknes. And manie more that I omyt for tedyousnes to your honor.
Within the Ruttligis, dwell the Nyxons on both the Levens.
Cleme Nixon of the Hole of Levne; Arche Nixson of Kendall; Hobbe Nyxon called Malles Hobbe; John Nixon Daves John; thome Nixon Henryes Thome; Arche Nixon Wates Arche; Will Nyxon called Beksword; Cudde Nyxon Blankirtluges; Will Nyxon called Byntaby; Cleme Nixon Charles Cleme; Hector Nyxon of the Shate; John Nyxon of the same; John Nyxon Crestes John; Jenkins Ady Nyxon; John Nixon, Wills John; John Nyxon of the Parke.
Within the Nyxons dwell the Nobles, Taylors, some of the Grames, and a fewe Storyes, and are hard by the Howse of Bewcastell.
Hobbe Noble; Anthon Noble; Jeme Noble; Arche Noble of the Eshecrofte; Will Noble of the Crew, murthered by old Whethaugh; Monge Noble; Dike Noble; Gourth Noble; Addame Noble of the Stokasted; Will Taylor of the Graynes; Thom Taylor of the same; Robin Story of the same; Addam Storye of Pelahill; Will Storye of the same; Nicholl Smison; Will Smison slayne; Jenkin Smison; John Rutlidge of Kemorflat; Will Rutlidge of Kyrkbekmouthe; John Makrobin; Arche Scot; John Noble of the Saughes. Theise all dwell within the demayne of Bewcastell.
The Belbank, and it is within the Rutliges and is next unto Gylslande.
Hector Noble; Cleme Rutlidge of the Kyll; Jenkyn Rutlidge of Belbanke; Will Rutlidge of Nunsclughe; Arche Poudam; Thome Poudam; Gorth Rutlidge of Mastthorne; Edde Poudam; Gorthe Poudam; Jenkyn Poudam; Creste Poudam; Dave Poudam; Alexander Poudam; Will Foster of the Lynehalme; Allayne Foster of the same. Theise joyne all uppon Gylslande, my lorde of Arrundalls land; howe be it the furthest parte of Lyddisdall and the furthest parte of Bewcastell are not distant xvj myles, so as the ryders may by night easely come to anie parte of it, and doe theire accustomed evill deedes, and be at theire owne howses longe before daye. They may, as there use is, go x of xij myles further into the cuntrey, either upon my lorde of Arrundalls landes or Christopher Dacres, and make a spoyle, and be at home before daie. Heare your honor maye see howe the Fosters inhabit uttermost, the Rutliges next them, and the Nixons next them, and next the howse of Bewcastell the Nobles and others, as I have sett downe before. So I will pas on to Soupart and downe the water on oure English syde; and within Soupart standes Hethersgill, all Hethringtons, almost to Carlill, beinge my lady Knevetes grounde and William Musgraves, and hath there Skalby castell, a strong howse and a fayre, very well set for a captayne to lye in - yet it is not kept by anie souldyars, not skantly anie dweller in it.
Soupart, and the Taylors that dwell there.
Sim Taylor; Jerre Taylor, Gibs sonne; Joke Taylor; John Taylor called Chefton; Cudde Taylor called Pottes Cudde; John Taylor called Shanke; Will Rutlidge of the Lukins; Will Rutlidge of the Sinke heade. Thus farr goeth Bewcastell parte of Souport, and the other halfe is inhabyted with Taylors and belonges to William Musgrave, therefore I over pas theire names.
Heare I will note unto your honor, of the Grames and how they did fyrst inhabit the water of Eske; for within the memorye of man yet beinge, they had no land there, but the Storyes had it and the right thereof, for my old Lorde Daker havinge made a wardein rode, was by Englishmen betrayed, and Scotland had intelligence of his cuminge before he came, and was ready for him, so as he and all the cuntrey was in great perill. My Lorde Dakers, suspectinge olde Riche Grame, did apprehend him, and thought to have executed him for that cause; it was his fortune to eskape out of the pryson, and in short tyme made him selfe cleare of that fact - for he did apprehand the deed doer, beinge a Story. The Storyes, fearinge my lorde Dakers fury, fled and lefte the cuntrey, and went into Northumberland to a place called Killum, where they yet dwell and are a great surname. They beinge gone, Rich Grayme, Fergus his brother, and theire brethren, did devyde theire groundes amongest them, and are growen to a hughe companie of men, that came of thes fyve brethren of the Grames as followeth:
Rich Grame of Netherby and his sonnes, his sonnes sonnes, and their allyaunces with Scotland.
Dik Grame called Riches Dik; Water his sonne marryed Robbe of the Faldes daughter; Dave his brother marryed the larde of Meskyrshin his daughter; Will Grame his brother; Sime Grame his brother; Will Grame second sonne of old Riche, mrryed his fryst wyfe, the larde of Mangertons daughter, and hath nowe Robin Ellotes sister of Lyddisdall; Joke Grame his sonne called Black Joke; Forge Grame his brother; Riche Grame his brother, marryed Wat Bells doughter; Frauncis Grame his brother; Robbe Grame his brother; Frauncis Grame his brother marryed Will Bells doughter; Arche Grayme his brother; Thomas Grame his brother, called coseninge Thomas; Joke Grame his brother called gallotes Joke; Sim Grame his brother; Gorth Grame sonne to old Rich did become Scottishe, and dwelleth at the Red kyrke in Scotland, and was marryed with the Hamiltons. He had by her yssue as followeth: Riche Grame, he marryed A(r)thor of Carlills daughter; Wat Grame his brother; Gorth Grame his brother; Creste Grame his brother; John Grame his brother. Theise and a nomber more that I cannot calle to memorye, came of old Rich of Netherby, besydes his doghter sonnes, which altogether be more than a hundreth men besydes women.
Fergus Grame, and those that came of him:
Will Grame, Arthor Grame, theise were both condemned of wilfull murder, and in the rebellion were loused, one by my Lorde Scroup, the other by Sir Simon Musgrave but shortly after Wille Grame was slayne. Arthor was not askt for anie more, and dwelt on his fathers landes at the Mote, and marryed the larde of Newbye daughter, and hath by her iiijer sonnes not yet men. Riche Grame there brother marryed Allen Baytes doughter in Esdall and hath iiijor or v sonnes by her, and not yet men. Gorth Grame his brother marryed Jokke Bells daughter, and hath by her children. Frauncis Grame his brother marryed Edward Urwens doughter of the Bonshawe, and is become Scottishe and dwelleth in Cannonby, sworne denyzant to the Kinge; Jokke Grame called Sandhills his brother; Crest Grame his brother; Hobbe Grame his brother.
Thome Grame brother to Rich and his yssue:
Dave Grame of the Baukehead; Gorth Grame, called Thomas Gorthe; Creste Grame his brother; Arch Grame his brother. Gorth Grame marryed Will of Kynmontes syster, and Thomas Carlton that seketh all the dispyte agaynst me, marryed his doughter - so his wyfes frendes will come on the daie to him and her, and spoyle on the night as they go home - and this my lorde Scrup doth suspect in Charleton. Jokke Grame Gorthes sonne; Sand Grame his brother.
Hutcheon Grame and other brethren, and his issue:
Andrew Grame marryed Dave Jonstons doughter in Anerdall; Robbe Grame his brother marryed Edward Urwens doughter of the Bonshawe; Arthor Grame his brother; Riche Grame Andrewes brother, marryed Addame of Carlells doughter in Anerdall.
John Grayme called the Brayd, another brother, had yssue:
Rytche Grame called Medhopp, and marryed Edward Urwens sister of Kyrke Patrick; Will Grame his brother, marryed the larde of Gratney his sister. Jokke Grame called Braddes Jokke; Jokke Grame of Medope marryed Edward Urwens doughter of Bonshawe; Sime Grame his brother; Forge Grame his brother; Frauncis Grame his brother; Jokke Grame his brother.
Will Grame called Will of Carlill an other brother and his yssue:
Arthor Grame of Carlill is Scottishe, and dwelleth by the Red kyrke in Scotland. Forge Grame, called Forge of the Nunery, his brother, dwelleth on the grounde Kinge Henry gave his father; Wille Grame his brother, called Will of Rose-trees; Gorth Grame his brother, called Gorth of Carlill.
Will Grame of the Fald, an other brother of old Riches of Netherby and his issue:
Robbe Grame of the Fald marryed the larde of Hawmans his doughter; Will of the Fald his brother marryed Hector Armestranges doughter of the Harlowe; Gorth Grame of the Fald.
The Grames of Levne, which are great ryders and ill doers to both the realmes:
Dike Grame called Blacke Dike; Will Grame his sonne; Robbe Grame his sonne; Wat Grame his sonne. John Grame of West Linton; Andrew Grame of the Mill; Gorth Grame Parsalls Gorth; Thome Grame son to Alyes Wille; Rany Grame; Humfray Grame; Jorthe Grame, Patyes Jorthe; Will Grame called Dikes Will; Dik Grame of the Woodes; Thome Grame called Markes Thome; Will Grame called Stanyston ryge; Pett Grame called Thomas Payt; Gorth Grame his brother; Rich Grame of Randelenton. These are of Eske: Gorth Grame of Peretree; Jokke Grame his sonne; Will Grame of the Peretree; Forge Grame of Gravockhall; Blake Jokes Jone Grame.
The cross frendes and varyaunces, one surname with an other:
The Ellotes with the Fenykes; The Armestronges, Grames, and Urwens with the Musgraves; the Grames with the Bells; the Grames with the Maxwells; the Armestronges with the Robsons of Tendall; the Fosters with Je(d)worth Forrest; the Taylors with the Armestronges.
The wast groundes that are west of Bewcastell, which I estimate is broad xviij myles from Whyt Levne head to the hed of Kylder water; and from Kersope hed to the head of Cokket water is further to my judgment. When Leddisdall people make anie invacions to the Fenwickes, they goe without Bewcastell x or xij myles, and goe by the Perlfell without the Horse heade nere Kelder, and so alonge abone Chepchase. When they goe to the water of Tyne, they goe by Kyrsopp head, and without the Gele Crage and by Tarnbek and Bogells Gar and so alonge by the Spye Crage, and the Lampert, and come that waye.
Thus your lordshipe may see the vewe of our lawles people, who are growne to suche strengthe as almost non dare offende them, they are a people that wilbe Scottishe when they will, and Englishe at theire pleasure; they kepe gentlemen of the cuntrey in feare, care not what evill accions they take in hand, and by theise allyaunces her Majesties horses that should serve the realme are transported into Scotland, the poore are oppressed, for where they owe displeasure they drawe theire plates and veynes theire purpos untill they have made it sure, and bringes in Scotshmen to do execucions of theire pretence, and make them selves clere of those crymes, that theire brothers, sonnes, sisters children, and other nere kynsfolke and allyaunce doe. The poore crye out and are glade to sell their levinges to them that oppres them, for what it pleaseth them to gyve. I my selfe have sene the Grames assayle my Lord Scrup being wardin, and have put him and the gentlemen of the cuntrey in great perill, and manie of his companie hurte, yet never anie execucion done for it, but all remytted and forgeven, besydes manie other heighe crymes done, and never anie that loste his lyfe for whatsoever they did. Hardly deare anie gentleman of the cuntrey be of any jury of lyfe and death yf anie of them be indyted, as the justices of that circuit can testefie, they are growne so to seke bloode, for they will make a quarrell for the death of theire grandfather, and they will kyll any of the name they are in feade with. So I (my good lord), ame banyshed my cuntrey for feare of my lyfe, and from my place of service, where I have served this x yeres, and I doe but report my doinges to the gentlemen and trewe people of the cuntrey, and my behavyour to my neighbours. And seinge my lord, I ame banished from my frendes and forst to stande on my gard in land of pease, havinge tyed my selfe to all the Queenes lawes which they dare not answer, my onely trust resteth in your honor to be my helpe, trustinge your lordship will pittie my estate and my olde fathers, and I shalbe bounde daly to pray to God for your good health longe lyfe and incresce of much honor.And what I shall take in hand, I hope my lord and master the Earle of Warwick, and his brother, my lord of Hunsdon and my lord presydent of the north, will gyve theire wordes for me. Thus I have shewed my diligence towardes your lordship: hopinge to have perdone for my rashe presumpsion to your lordship, I gyve over to troble your lordship, prayinge the Almightie to preserve your lyfe health and honor longe in this realme of England." Signed: Thomas Musgrave.
*West Tyvidale answereth to the English W.March.
Est Tyvedale answereth to the Midle March.
In West Tyvydale: Lard of Buckclugh, a Scott. Lard of Bedoroule, a Trumboll. Lard of Bon Jedwath, a Dowglass.
In Est Tyvydale: Lard of Cesford, a Carr. Lard of Craynston, a Carr.
"In Lyddisdaile: The cheff ruler is the Lord Bothwell, to whom the Armitag, whereof James Carr is kepar."
19 pp. Addressed at the head: "To the right honorable and my singuler good lord, the Lord Burleigh lord Heigh Treasorer of England."
Sunday, July 8, 2012
Blake one name study with wordpress
Yesterday's Google+ hangout was most successful and with my daughter's assistance I have begun the blog for the Blake one name study on Word Press:
http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/blakegoons/
I will become more familiar with this software and then add on the The Next Generation Software (TNG) which will use Word Press as the front end manager. As well I want to create a Wiki page for the one name study.
I expect this will take me most of the month. There will be a login procedure to use the site more fully so that it will require a one time registration which gives you a user name and password of your choice.
The Google+ hangout was rather interesting (eight people) and lasted (for me) two hours as I left five people still chatting. Three of the people on the chat were users of TNG and one in particular used WordPress as the front end. I hope to put all of my transcriptions up on the site attached to the person where possible. TNG allows for the insertion of a number of gedcoms so it should be possible to display many many Blake family lines with their sources. I will think of this as our project rather than mine since I am, at the moment, only the caretaker of the Blake one name study. All of you who are descendants of your various Blake families are really the creators since my line is just one of many.
Future posts that deal with the Blake one name study will only be on the new site. This blog will now become a repository of my personal family information and on occasion, like the Routledge documents, will serve to display any work that I do with other groups on my particular family lines or surnames. It will continue to house material on my Pincombe one name study whilst I work on how much space the Blake study will occupy. In theory I could create another wordpress folder and call it pincombegoons but for the moment it is a considerably smaller study and without an active yDNA group I can not move forward with this study other than continuing to collect Pincombe/Pinkham references whereever they occur.
http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/blakegoons/
I will become more familiar with this software and then add on the The Next Generation Software (TNG) which will use Word Press as the front end manager. As well I want to create a Wiki page for the one name study.
I expect this will take me most of the month. There will be a login procedure to use the site more fully so that it will require a one time registration which gives you a user name and password of your choice.
The Google+ hangout was rather interesting (eight people) and lasted (for me) two hours as I left five people still chatting. Three of the people on the chat were users of TNG and one in particular used WordPress as the front end. I hope to put all of my transcriptions up on the site attached to the person where possible. TNG allows for the insertion of a number of gedcoms so it should be possible to display many many Blake family lines with their sources. I will think of this as our project rather than mine since I am, at the moment, only the caretaker of the Blake one name study. All of you who are descendants of your various Blake families are really the creators since my line is just one of many.
Future posts that deal with the Blake one name study will only be on the new site. This blog will now become a repository of my personal family information and on occasion, like the Routledge documents, will serve to display any work that I do with other groups on my particular family lines or surnames. It will continue to house material on my Pincombe one name study whilst I work on how much space the Blake study will occupy. In theory I could create another wordpress folder and call it pincombegoons but for the moment it is a considerably smaller study and without an active yDNA group I can not move forward with this study other than continuing to collect Pincombe/Pinkham references whereever they occur.
Saturday, July 7, 2012
Routledge and Blake one name study
I will continue working on the Routledge document of yesterday having revised the first six lines but it continues to be difficult. The letter w is so elaborate that initially I did not see it as a w although is obvious now.
There is a Google hangout today that I will attend at 11:30 on TNG. This rather interesting software may well be the answer to my producing a Blake one name study website that is readily maintainable and could easily be transferred to another in the future or simply archived for the day that someone comes along (as I did) and decides to take on the Blake surname as a one name study. A name which through history has had some really fascinating family members and the history of this family is sometimes intertwined with the history of the British Isles (the surname being found in all the major demographic areas throughout the centuries - England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales). Within England itself the surname is found in a number of counties including Hampshire my own home county for Blake with my line being within 2 kilometres of Andover from the late 1400s on. Where they were before that time is a mystery although they could have been there. I need to read the manor records which was my aim a couple of years ago but I have become distracted by the greater story and my not having been yet to the Winchester Record Office where I need to look at a lot of wills and other records. I have considered just ordering images but I already have so many images that I made a decision to work through all of them first and that meant leaving my own line and working on the other Blake lines for whom I have acquired material.
I have had a couple of requests for Blake information where I was able to suggest on the one hand that a family line that goes back to Northern Ireland with the ancestor was in the military and appears to deadend there in terms of further back tracing could have been a soldier from England and finding the attestation papers would be helpful in that case. Possibly a member of this family will be able to test for the Blake yDNA study since the requester does have male relatives carrying the Blake yDNA. This remains the best method of determining the Blake line. Ultimately there will be many many branches but gradually over time it may be possible to link families together in the far past where subtle changes have occurred in the allele count of various markers moving these families away from each other. It is only by having many many Blake samples that such determinations could be made. The study with 39 sets of Blake results has already shown interesting patterns. Even making the assumption based on location that your line would thus have that yDNA is risky considering the way that the British population has moved particularly in the last century and a half. I encourage all Blake family lines to test and see where they fit in the chart and to add to that chart. I really do not have any preconceived ideas about the origins of the Blake family. For my own line there is no family lore that has them being associated with any particular group whether invading England or defending England. That history simply does not exist in my line; the only item that I have is that Nicholas Blake lived in what is now a rubble of stones (perhaps this too is gone from my grandfather's day) called Old House at Enham.
The website will have a spot where one could write such pieces of family lore and we could aim over time to learn as much as possible about the Blake family. I may lead the study but I am but one of thousands who are potentially interested in their Blake family name.
One of our most famous sons was William Blake Poet Laureate (appointed 1813) (1757 - 1827) and I quote one of my favourites which I sing as the anthem "Jerusalem":
And did those feet in ancient time.
Walk upon Englands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Englands green and pleasant Land
His ancestry not yet fully known, William Blake was born in an apartment above his father's hosier shop in Soho the 28th of November 1757. His father was James Blake and his mother Catherine Hermitage/Harmitage. They were married at St George Hanover Square, Mayfair, Westminster, London the 15th of October 1752. His mother was a widow at the time of her marriage with her first husband having also been a hosier and thus the two shops were united as well. More later on this rather fascinating Blake line.
There is a Google hangout today that I will attend at 11:30 on TNG. This rather interesting software may well be the answer to my producing a Blake one name study website that is readily maintainable and could easily be transferred to another in the future or simply archived for the day that someone comes along (as I did) and decides to take on the Blake surname as a one name study. A name which through history has had some really fascinating family members and the history of this family is sometimes intertwined with the history of the British Isles (the surname being found in all the major demographic areas throughout the centuries - England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales). Within England itself the surname is found in a number of counties including Hampshire my own home county for Blake with my line being within 2 kilometres of Andover from the late 1400s on. Where they were before that time is a mystery although they could have been there. I need to read the manor records which was my aim a couple of years ago but I have become distracted by the greater story and my not having been yet to the Winchester Record Office where I need to look at a lot of wills and other records. I have considered just ordering images but I already have so many images that I made a decision to work through all of them first and that meant leaving my own line and working on the other Blake lines for whom I have acquired material.
I have had a couple of requests for Blake information where I was able to suggest on the one hand that a family line that goes back to Northern Ireland with the ancestor was in the military and appears to deadend there in terms of further back tracing could have been a soldier from England and finding the attestation papers would be helpful in that case. Possibly a member of this family will be able to test for the Blake yDNA study since the requester does have male relatives carrying the Blake yDNA. This remains the best method of determining the Blake line. Ultimately there will be many many branches but gradually over time it may be possible to link families together in the far past where subtle changes have occurred in the allele count of various markers moving these families away from each other. It is only by having many many Blake samples that such determinations could be made. The study with 39 sets of Blake results has already shown interesting patterns. Even making the assumption based on location that your line would thus have that yDNA is risky considering the way that the British population has moved particularly in the last century and a half. I encourage all Blake family lines to test and see where they fit in the chart and to add to that chart. I really do not have any preconceived ideas about the origins of the Blake family. For my own line there is no family lore that has them being associated with any particular group whether invading England or defending England. That history simply does not exist in my line; the only item that I have is that Nicholas Blake lived in what is now a rubble of stones (perhaps this too is gone from my grandfather's day) called Old House at Enham.
The website will have a spot where one could write such pieces of family lore and we could aim over time to learn as much as possible about the Blake family. I may lead the study but I am but one of thousands who are potentially interested in their Blake family name.
One of our most famous sons was William Blake Poet Laureate (appointed 1813) (1757 - 1827) and I quote one of my favourites which I sing as the anthem "Jerusalem":
And did those feet in ancient time.
Walk upon Englands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Englands green and pleasant Land
His ancestry not yet fully known, William Blake was born in an apartment above his father's hosier shop in Soho the 28th of November 1757. His father was James Blake and his mother Catherine Hermitage/Harmitage. They were married at St George Hanover Square, Mayfair, Westminster, London the 15th of October 1752. His mother was a widow at the time of her marriage with her first husband having also been a hosier and thus the two shops were united as well. More later on this rather fascinating Blake line.
Friday, July 6, 2012
John Routledge document from 160?
The document transcribed below has been precised by the National Archives (UK) to read:
John Rowtledge and others v. The Right Hon. the Earl of - [illegible].: Forest of Nichol (Cumberland?). [Apparently touching the meets and bounds of the forest, but the document is much defaced, &c.] [The names of Thos. Musgrave, late captain of Bewcastle of the Massethorne (Cumberland), and of places called Artoveth, Rondo Leavurloo, Lydell, the forest of Nichol, the waters of Lydd and Eske and Leaven (Cumberland), and of other places in the county, are discernible, but hardly legible.]: Cumberland
Covering dates 8 Jas 1 1609-10
Nichol Forest Chapelry is a part of Kirkandrews on Esk Parish, being the northeastern portion of the parish and bordering on the parishes of Bewcastle and Stapleton. It extends about ten miles along the rivers Liddel and Kershope which separate it from Scotland. Catlowdy and Scuggate are two small hamlets within the township.
With the "Debatable Land", Nichol Forest formed the barony of Liddel which served as a buffer state between England and Scotland along the English West March. This area was the scene of many a raid and outrage during the reiver era.
Situated on the Anglo-Scottish border, the barony of Liddel consisted of the parishes and manors of Arthuret, Nicholforest, together with the manor of Solport. The barony passed through several hands before descending to the Crown in the late 14th century, during which time it appears to have been treated as parcel of the honour of Dunstanburgh (Northumberland) and Duchy of Lancaster. In the early seventeenth century, Liddel, Arthuret and Nichol Forest were granted to the Earl of Cumberland, to be held under the Crown, and the lands eventually came into the hands of the Grahams of Netherby. Few records survive for the barony or for Liddel and Arthuret, but there is a body of manorial material pertaining to Nicholforest and Solport. Thus most records relating to this area will be found with Nicholforest and Solport on the MDR.
Still working on page 2 and it is slow going. Usually I can breeze through the handwriting but in this case it is very elaborate with a few extra quirks in the mode of letters making it more difficult. I shall revise this page as the time passes.Basically though this does achieve the desired information. There is no abode listed for John Rowtledge other than lands in the mannor of Bewcastle and the use of the Forest of Nichol. Knowing the name and abode of the last laird of the Routledge family is the hoped for aim of transcribing these early documents.
Transcriber - Elizabeth Kipp
Transcription Date - 28 May 2012 (page 1), 6 Jul 2012 (Page 2)
Document Read - Image DSCN0375, DSCN0376 (E 134/8Jas1/East37)
Location of Document - The National Archives, Kew, London, England
Date of Document - James VI Octobris 6
Title: [illegible]
[Above]: _______ vi te die Octobris
1 Whereas upon setteing this day of an order made in this _____S___ nono d__ I nny the last
2 terms in the suit depending by english bill betwene John Rowtledge and others the lemits of
3 certaine lands claimed to be p[ar]tee of the mannor of Bewcastle dale in the countie of Cumberland pl[anti]fs and the
4 right honorable Francis Garls of Cumberland defend[an]t It appeareth that a Commission was formed the _____ of this
5 court directed to certaine gentleman indifferentlie named and agreed of on both sides to examine Witnesses
6 on both p[ar]tes and oth[er]s to ____ such _____ or otherwise to make a true and p[er]fect plott and boundrie of the lands
7 in question and to take bond of anye of the said p____ to his _____ use to ensure the said _____ the meene
8 pffits if upon _____ it should fall out against the said pl[ain]ts. Which Comission was reternable the first
9 returne of the last terme Which for some reasone men[t]io[n]ed in the said order could not be executed on the
datte prommised by the said compl[ain]ts _____able the first returne of this terme
10 pl[ain]ts behalf Whereupon a new Comission the last terme ^ to examine Witnesses on both sides and also by _______
11 suche __rie or otherwise to make a true and p[er]fect plott and boundarie of the lands in question and likewise to take bond
12 of three of the said _____ for answering the meane p[ro]fitts to the said karls of the said c____rs should
13 falb out against them as by the said order & & appearetly S__w forasmuch as the courte was this
14 day informed by the Servent _____ of the defend[an]ts counsell in the p[re]sence of Mr. Prideaux of counsell for the
15 pl[ain]tfs what the said latter Comission was not executed according to the said order notwithstanding the same
16 was pemptazie to the pl[ain]ts who having the ca__age thereof and did likewise inform this court that it was
16 through the meanes, delayes of the said compl[ain]ts Nevertheless for that it appeareth to this court upon the
17 pading of severall certificate of the v[iz a]v[it] severall comissions that the comission was not executed according to
19 the order principallie for that the _____ refused to goe upon the land and to take a ____ thereof and of the
20 awarded out of the court to comissions to be named by this court to make a plott and boundarie of the
21 lands in question aswell by _____ _____ examination of Witnesses as otherwise Whereby the trusth may
22 appears the _____ to be p[er]formed neare adioyning to the said lands held by intendent best known the
23 boundaries of the lands in question and to be also named by this court And to the end the Jurie may
24 not be careles in p[er]forming their duties the court doth inioyne ev[er]ie one of the said Jurie that shalbe
25 inpannelled upon the said _erdue upon paine of fortie pound a peece that they and everie of them doe
26 repaire to the grounds in question and take a full _______ thereof before they shall deliver up their ______ And
27 that the said Commissions to examine Witnesses en both p[ar]ties and the pl[ain]ts to have the carrage of the said
28 Commission And the defend[an]t to have a duplicate thereof yf the Will the Commission to be retornable the
29 first returne of Easter terme next and thereupon publication to be furth__ity had and this Commission to be
30 pemptorie Without any further Commission. And for that three of the said _____ have not put in bond
31 according to the former ___ It is likewise ordered that the pl[ain]ts here in ta____ shall deliver the
32 names here in tenrt of such three p[er]sons as shalbe bond to his ma[jes]tie before the said Commission in the
33 somme of a xx Li for answering the measne rates of the said lands in question of Upon Ge__in
34 it shall falt out against them.
John Rowtledge and others v. The Right Hon. the Earl of - [illegible].: Forest of Nichol (Cumberland?). [Apparently touching the meets and bounds of the forest, but the document is much defaced, &c.] [The names of Thos. Musgrave, late captain of Bewcastle of the Massethorne (Cumberland), and of places called Artoveth, Rondo Leavurloo, Lydell, the forest of Nichol, the waters of Lydd and Eske and Leaven (Cumberland), and of other places in the county, are discernible, but hardly legible.]: Cumberland
Covering dates 8 Jas 1 1609-10
Nichol Forest Chapelry is a part of Kirkandrews on Esk Parish, being the northeastern portion of the parish and bordering on the parishes of Bewcastle and Stapleton. It extends about ten miles along the rivers Liddel and Kershope which separate it from Scotland. Catlowdy and Scuggate are two small hamlets within the township.
With the "Debatable Land", Nichol Forest formed the barony of Liddel which served as a buffer state between England and Scotland along the English West March. This area was the scene of many a raid and outrage during the reiver era.
Situated on the Anglo-Scottish border, the barony of Liddel consisted of the parishes and manors of Arthuret, Nicholforest, together with the manor of Solport. The barony passed through several hands before descending to the Crown in the late 14th century, during which time it appears to have been treated as parcel of the honour of Dunstanburgh (Northumberland) and Duchy of Lancaster. In the early seventeenth century, Liddel, Arthuret and Nichol Forest were granted to the Earl of Cumberland, to be held under the Crown, and the lands eventually came into the hands of the Grahams of Netherby. Few records survive for the barony or for Liddel and Arthuret, but there is a body of manorial material pertaining to Nicholforest and Solport. Thus most records relating to this area will be found with Nicholforest and Solport on the MDR.
Still working on page 2 and it is slow going. Usually I can breeze through the handwriting but in this case it is very elaborate with a few extra quirks in the mode of letters making it more difficult. I shall revise this page as the time passes.Basically though this does achieve the desired information. There is no abode listed for John Rowtledge other than lands in the mannor of Bewcastle and the use of the Forest of Nichol. Knowing the name and abode of the last laird of the Routledge family is the hoped for aim of transcribing these early documents.
Transcriber - Elizabeth Kipp
Transcription Date - 28 May 2012 (page 1), 6 Jul 2012 (Page 2)
Document Read - Image DSCN0375, DSCN0376 (E 134/8Jas1/East37)
Location of Document - The National Archives, Kew, London, England
Date of Document - James VI Octobris 6
Title: [illegible]
[Above]: _______ vi te die Octobris
1 Whereas upon setteing this day of an order made in this _____S___ nono d__ I nny the last
2 terms in the suit depending by english bill betwene John Rowtledge and others the lemits of
3 certaine lands claimed to be p[ar]tee of the mannor of Bewcastle dale in the countie of Cumberland pl[anti]fs and the
4 right honorable Francis Garls of Cumberland defend[an]t It appeareth that a Commission was formed the _____ of this
5 court directed to certaine gentleman indifferentlie named and agreed of on both sides to examine Witnesses
6 on both p[ar]tes and oth[er]s to ____ such _____ or otherwise to make a true and p[er]fect plott and boundrie of the lands
7 in question and to take bond of anye of the said p____ to his _____ use to ensure the said _____ the meene
8 pffits if upon _____ it should fall out against the said pl[ain]ts. Which Comission was reternable the first
9 returne of the last terme Which for some reasone men[t]io[n]ed in the said order could not be executed on the
datte prommised by the said compl[ain]ts _____able the first returne of this terme
10 pl[ain]ts behalf Whereupon a new Comission the last terme ^ to examine Witnesses on both sides and also by _______
11 suche __rie or otherwise to make a true and p[er]fect plott and boundarie of the lands in question and likewise to take bond
12 of three of the said _____ for answering the meane p[ro]fitts to the said karls of the said c____rs should
13 falb out against them as by the said order & & appearetly S__w forasmuch as the courte was this
14 day informed by the Servent _____ of the defend[an]ts counsell in the p[re]sence of Mr. Prideaux of counsell for the
15 pl[ain]tfs what the said latter Comission was not executed according to the said order notwithstanding the same
16 was pemptazie to the pl[ain]ts who having the ca__age thereof and did likewise inform this court that it was
16 through the meanes, delayes of the said compl[ain]ts Nevertheless for that it appeareth to this court upon the
17 pading of severall certificate of the v[iz a]v[it] severall comissions that the comission was not executed according to
19 the order principallie for that the _____ refused to goe upon the land and to take a ____ thereof and of the
20 awarded out of the court to comissions to be named by this court to make a plott and boundarie of the
21 lands in question aswell by _____ _____ examination of Witnesses as otherwise Whereby the trusth may
22 appears the _____ to be p[er]formed neare adioyning to the said lands held by intendent best known the
23 boundaries of the lands in question and to be also named by this court And to the end the Jurie may
24 not be careles in p[er]forming their duties the court doth inioyne ev[er]ie one of the said Jurie that shalbe
25 inpannelled upon the said _erdue upon paine of fortie pound a peece that they and everie of them doe
26 repaire to the grounds in question and take a full _______ thereof before they shall deliver up their ______ And
27 that the said Commissions to examine Witnesses en both p[ar]ties and the pl[ain]ts to have the carrage of the said
28 Commission And the defend[an]t to have a duplicate thereof yf the Will the Commission to be retornable the
29 first returne of Easter terme next and thereupon publication to be furth__ity had and this Commission to be
30 pemptorie Without any further Commission. And for that three of the said _____ have not put in bond
31 according to the former ___ It is likewise ordered that the pl[ain]ts here in ta____ shall deliver the
32 names here in tenrt of such three p[er]sons as shalbe bond to his ma[jes]tie before the said Commission in the
33 somme of a xx Li for answering the measne rates of the said lands in question of Upon Ge__in
34 it shall falt out against them.
Thursday, July 5, 2012
Blake Newsletter Volume 1 Issue 3 (published 5 Jul 2012)
Blake Newsletter Volume 1, Issue 3 (published 5 Jul 2012)
yDNA Blake study
The July Newsletter will review a few changes to the Blake one name study. Firstly, I have become co-administrator of the Blake yDNA project and hope to be able to help all the members of the project solve at least that part of their genealogy. The word "solve" is perhaps a bit deceptive. The various members of the project belong to a number of different haplogroups including R1b, R1a, I1, I2b1, and I2b2a. These were divided into groups by Barrie Blake and many of them were given a likely ancestry. His work on the yDNA study has been much appreciated. His marvelous website Blake Heritage was enjoyed by many many people. Barrie decided to step down as one of the administrators of the yDNA project a short while ago. He will be sadly missed.
I have made a few revisions to the website for the yDNA study. I have placed my own line into a category known as British Isles Ancestry simply because the other member of the group has Irish ancestry and at this point in time it is not possible to say whether the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) was Irish or English or so far back that his ethnicity would be British Isles and not a particular demographic unit.
A new member of the group has lengthy English ancestry and has been placed into Group E. His particular haplogroup is the one that most commonly occurs in England with 70 to 75% of English males having this particular haplogroup.
Groups B and D continue as before. The I1 haplogroup is also an ancient British Isles group and R1a1 is very likely to be Danish/Scandinavian as this haplogroup is commonest further east in Europe.
Group C has attracted a lot of attention and the active research group looking at Theophilus Blake as their ancestor has been very busy acquiring more and more documentation on this family line. The haplogroup is, like I2a2b, an old British Isles group found in very low percentages in the British Isles. I am tempted to rename this group to BRITISH ANCESTRY (2) and will discuss that with the group. There isn't anything to indicate that this is a family line coming out of the counties of England. A more recent result also has the I2b1 haplogroup but differs sufficiently on 12 markers that I will await his further 25 markers before commenting on his place in the study.
The three groups labeled IRISH ANCESTRY are attracting my attention at the moment. Some of the members have listed England as their furtherest back ancestry and I wish to investigate with them if they have any documented trail to lead them back to England as mentioned in their profile.
The J group lists Germany as the ancestral location.
I continue to actively encourage individuals who write to me to test their yDNA if it is possible.
Comments and suggestions are always welcomed. I hope to launch the Blake one name study website using The Next Generation Software (TNG) in the next month. I plan on it being interactive and capable of utilizing gedcoms with sources added to the site by members.
I plan to have the Heraldic Visitations as word text on the site as they can be most helpful to people looking at Blake lines in England. The Heraldic Visitations were quite literally tours of inspection by the Bishop and others to determine the right of individuals to bear coats of arms. These were published after transcription from the original writings and include the heraldic crests. Barrie Blake had a fabulous collection on his website which he had created.
yDNA Blake study
The July Newsletter will review a few changes to the Blake one name study. Firstly, I have become co-administrator of the Blake yDNA project and hope to be able to help all the members of the project solve at least that part of their genealogy. The word "solve" is perhaps a bit deceptive. The various members of the project belong to a number of different haplogroups including R1b, R1a, I1, I2b1, and I2b2a. These were divided into groups by Barrie Blake and many of them were given a likely ancestry. His work on the yDNA study has been much appreciated. His marvelous website Blake Heritage was enjoyed by many many people. Barrie decided to step down as one of the administrators of the yDNA project a short while ago. He will be sadly missed.
I have made a few revisions to the website for the yDNA study. I have placed my own line into a category known as British Isles Ancestry simply because the other member of the group has Irish ancestry and at this point in time it is not possible to say whether the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) was Irish or English or so far back that his ethnicity would be British Isles and not a particular demographic unit.
A new member of the group has lengthy English ancestry and has been placed into Group E. His particular haplogroup is the one that most commonly occurs in England with 70 to 75% of English males having this particular haplogroup.
Groups B and D continue as before. The I1 haplogroup is also an ancient British Isles group and R1a1 is very likely to be Danish/Scandinavian as this haplogroup is commonest further east in Europe.
Group C has attracted a lot of attention and the active research group looking at Theophilus Blake as their ancestor has been very busy acquiring more and more documentation on this family line. The haplogroup is, like I2a2b, an old British Isles group found in very low percentages in the British Isles. I am tempted to rename this group to BRITISH ANCESTRY (2) and will discuss that with the group. There isn't anything to indicate that this is a family line coming out of the counties of England. A more recent result also has the I2b1 haplogroup but differs sufficiently on 12 markers that I will await his further 25 markers before commenting on his place in the study.
The three groups labeled IRISH ANCESTRY are attracting my attention at the moment. Some of the members have listed England as their furtherest back ancestry and I wish to investigate with them if they have any documented trail to lead them back to England as mentioned in their profile.
The J group lists Germany as the ancestral location.
I continue to actively encourage individuals who write to me to test their yDNA if it is possible.
Comments and suggestions are always welcomed. I hope to launch the Blake one name study website using The Next Generation Software (TNG) in the next month. I plan on it being interactive and capable of utilizing gedcoms with sources added to the site by members.
I plan to have the Heraldic Visitations as word text on the site as they can be most helpful to people looking at Blake lines in England. The Heraldic Visitations were quite literally tours of inspection by the Bishop and others to determine the right of individuals to bear coats of arms. These were published after transcription from the original writings and include the heraldic crests. Barrie Blake had a fabulous collection on his website which he had created.
Wednesday, July 4, 2012
To be published tomorrow - Blake Newsletter - Vol 1 Issue 3
I am a little tardy with the newsletter as I have been waiting to see if the remainder of the new I2b1 result would come in. I have written it though and will publish it tomorrow on my website and on my blog.
I have finally made a decision on the website and I will use The Next Generation (TNG) genealogical software to build the website. It will be a standalone on our current provider and accessible from our main webpage as well as direct with the main page labeled blakemain.html. More details on that later.
There is a Google hangout this Saturday where I hope to learn more about TNG but it sounds like it would be suitable to use. I can set it up so that people can add information directly to the website although I will monitor that for all of us. Spammers tend to congregate around open websites.
The value of such a website in my opinion would be that I could share the research that I have done so far on the Blake family which is largely about the Blake family in the Hampshire/Wiltshire area although that is expanding. The marriage database I will put online as it may be helpful to people and will update that as I receive new information. There are over 30,000 Blake marriages in England on Free BMD and nearly 16,000 of them between 1837 and 1911. After 1911 it is usually possible to figure out the maiden surname of the bride from the indexes. I am slowly putting maiden names into the excel file as I receive them or find them. My next step will be to work on the births and burials which I may do at the same time. Then using the census I can start to put them together. Concurrently I am working on parish registers prior to 1837 to extract the Blake information. A major project that will not be completed in my lifetime I am sure but the accumulated information will be archived with the Guild of One Name Studies for future reference.
This website will not contain the remarkable information which Barrie Blake collected on the more famous Blake families of the British Isles. His work was quite wonderful but my interest hasn't been kindled to any great extent in that regard. I am more interested in the genealogical story of the Blake families of the British Isles.
I am thoroughly convinced however that only our yDNA study will let us build these family trees and allow people to find their true roots in the British Isles. Although I do see references to Blake as a family name outside of the British Isles in early times it would appear that it is a result of anglicizing of the name in America primarily. However, I will collect any information that is sent to me and any member of the yDNA study that submits yDNA and has place of origin outside of the British Isles will be placed in the group where there is currently a member with German ancestry. Since the name Blake occurs in some of the earliest records of the British Isles I remain convinced that it is a British Isles surname primarily.
I have finally made a decision on the website and I will use The Next Generation (TNG) genealogical software to build the website. It will be a standalone on our current provider and accessible from our main webpage as well as direct with the main page labeled blakemain.html. More details on that later.
There is a Google hangout this Saturday where I hope to learn more about TNG but it sounds like it would be suitable to use. I can set it up so that people can add information directly to the website although I will monitor that for all of us. Spammers tend to congregate around open websites.
The value of such a website in my opinion would be that I could share the research that I have done so far on the Blake family which is largely about the Blake family in the Hampshire/Wiltshire area although that is expanding. The marriage database I will put online as it may be helpful to people and will update that as I receive new information. There are over 30,000 Blake marriages in England on Free BMD and nearly 16,000 of them between 1837 and 1911. After 1911 it is usually possible to figure out the maiden surname of the bride from the indexes. I am slowly putting maiden names into the excel file as I receive them or find them. My next step will be to work on the births and burials which I may do at the same time. Then using the census I can start to put them together. Concurrently I am working on parish registers prior to 1837 to extract the Blake information. A major project that will not be completed in my lifetime I am sure but the accumulated information will be archived with the Guild of One Name Studies for future reference.
This website will not contain the remarkable information which Barrie Blake collected on the more famous Blake families of the British Isles. His work was quite wonderful but my interest hasn't been kindled to any great extent in that regard. I am more interested in the genealogical story of the Blake families of the British Isles.
I am thoroughly convinced however that only our yDNA study will let us build these family trees and allow people to find their true roots in the British Isles. Although I do see references to Blake as a family name outside of the British Isles in early times it would appear that it is a result of anglicizing of the name in America primarily. However, I will collect any information that is sent to me and any member of the yDNA study that submits yDNA and has place of origin outside of the British Isles will be placed in the group where there is currently a member with German ancestry. Since the name Blake occurs in some of the earliest records of the British Isles I remain convinced that it is a British Isles surname primarily.
Tuesday, July 3, 2012
15th century Blake document
I requested an estimate from The National Archives (UK) which was "an answer" by Richard and William Blake in the 15th century. It has tantalized me somewhat for the past year and I finally decided to order it. There are about eight such documents in the catalogue in this time period. No place referenced and it could be London, Hampshire, Wiltshire, or East Anglia in this time period. I have ordered it so that it will be downloadable from the website (my preferred method of acquiring documents). Once I receive it I will transcribe it.
I continue to work on the Routledge documents and had completed one page of a two page item. That was about a month ago and now going back I will need to relearn the writing style as I have completely lost the recognition that led me through the first page. Again, this document does not reveal the name of the Laird of the Routledge Clan but does mention Bewcastledale as being the location for this particular John Routledge. The second page may have more and I must get back to working on that document. Then I will proceed with the remaining documents. I have moved away from Routledge somewhat and it has been a gradual process since I first collected over 2000 lines of Routledge records (baptisms, marriages, burials, etc.). I gave that file to my "cousin" Thomas Routledge (for whom I am now transcribing the documents) and he has literally run with that document and multiplied its information many times over. We, that is us Routledges not living in England, have benefitted greatly from Tom's work. He has taken us back to our Clan roots in Scotland which was only ever hinted at when I was a child that we might actually be descended from a Scottish Clan. They lived in the Liddesdale area which meant that they were constantly set upon in the 1500s.
My Blake research continues apace and I am in the process of developing the Blake-one-name-study website. The decision has to be made whether to attach it to our current family domain site or purchase a new domain. I can not really decide just at the moment (nothing to do with money at all; just the additional maintenance required if I go to a separate domain). I will make my decision by the middle of this month in that regard. Mostly I am concentrating on the Marriages of Blake members and collecting as much information as possible and that is assisted by the Marriage Challenges which are done by members of the Guild of One Name Studies who live in England. In order to thank them for all their effort I have been transcribing Blake wills and adding them to the Probate Index. I have added over 1000 entries thus far and I shall soon have another 500 to submit. But aside from the Marriage Challenges I need to clean up the file that I downloaded from Free BMD and eventually I want to combine all the counties so that I have one file. Plus I want to create some graphs on Blake marriages in particular Registration Districts over the decades beginning with the 1840s.
yDNA has become my main tool now for looking at individual Blake and Pincombe lines. When people write to me for help I mostly suggest yDNA testing as the best means of looking at their family. Particularly if they are descendant of American colonists. In Canada I would give a guess that most Blake families are descendant of the Irish Blake family. I know my own is very very small in the early 1900s here. Plus we did not have any relatives other than my grandfather and his brother who came to Canada with the Blake surname. A number of my grandfather's cousins did emigrate to Australia.
Gardening does get in the way somewhat. I want to keep knitting for our grandson so that too is taking up computer time. But I am slowly moving away from working on my other lines which is freeing up some time there. They interest me but only really hard digging is going to reveal any more on most of these lines. I have material and I will gradually transcribe it but each step back now is a major task first in order to do that likely.
I continue to work on the Routledge documents and had completed one page of a two page item. That was about a month ago and now going back I will need to relearn the writing style as I have completely lost the recognition that led me through the first page. Again, this document does not reveal the name of the Laird of the Routledge Clan but does mention Bewcastledale as being the location for this particular John Routledge. The second page may have more and I must get back to working on that document. Then I will proceed with the remaining documents. I have moved away from Routledge somewhat and it has been a gradual process since I first collected over 2000 lines of Routledge records (baptisms, marriages, burials, etc.). I gave that file to my "cousin" Thomas Routledge (for whom I am now transcribing the documents) and he has literally run with that document and multiplied its information many times over. We, that is us Routledges not living in England, have benefitted greatly from Tom's work. He has taken us back to our Clan roots in Scotland which was only ever hinted at when I was a child that we might actually be descended from a Scottish Clan. They lived in the Liddesdale area which meant that they were constantly set upon in the 1500s.
My Blake research continues apace and I am in the process of developing the Blake-one-name-study website. The decision has to be made whether to attach it to our current family domain site or purchase a new domain. I can not really decide just at the moment (nothing to do with money at all; just the additional maintenance required if I go to a separate domain). I will make my decision by the middle of this month in that regard. Mostly I am concentrating on the Marriages of Blake members and collecting as much information as possible and that is assisted by the Marriage Challenges which are done by members of the Guild of One Name Studies who live in England. In order to thank them for all their effort I have been transcribing Blake wills and adding them to the Probate Index. I have added over 1000 entries thus far and I shall soon have another 500 to submit. But aside from the Marriage Challenges I need to clean up the file that I downloaded from Free BMD and eventually I want to combine all the counties so that I have one file. Plus I want to create some graphs on Blake marriages in particular Registration Districts over the decades beginning with the 1840s.
yDNA has become my main tool now for looking at individual Blake and Pincombe lines. When people write to me for help I mostly suggest yDNA testing as the best means of looking at their family. Particularly if they are descendant of American colonists. In Canada I would give a guess that most Blake families are descendant of the Irish Blake family. I know my own is very very small in the early 1900s here. Plus we did not have any relatives other than my grandfather and his brother who came to Canada with the Blake surname. A number of my grandfather's cousins did emigrate to Australia.
Gardening does get in the way somewhat. I want to keep knitting for our grandson so that too is taking up computer time. But I am slowly moving away from working on my other lines which is freeing up some time there. They interest me but only really hard digging is going to reveal any more on most of these lines. I have material and I will gradually transcribe it but each step back now is a major task first in order to do that likely.
Monday, July 2, 2012
Dascombe family
As On Line Parish Clerk for Bishops Nympton Devon I receive roughly two to three requests a week for information. One of my reasons for proofreading the 900 page Parish Register Transcriptions is to diminish the number of requests for the information contained in those 900 pages of word text or looking at the Excel document there are 7303 baptisms, 1285 marriages, 5794 burials, and 366 banns. First I need to finish proofreading and then I need to seek the permission of the parish priest at Bishops Nympton to publish the file on the Genuki Devon webpages. I have 75 years of parish records proofread thus far. It is a slow process mostly because I am working on other projects and I can only keep up the proofreading for so long.
The Dascombe family were at Bishops Nympton from the late 1700s to the 1870s and the request for information let me pull out from the excel file (not yet proofread in this time period) the following:
Baptisms
Number Surname Forename Relationship Surname-Father Forename-Father Surname-Mother Forename-Mother Day Month Year Abode Parish Notes
Dascombe Elizabeth daughter Dascombe Gregory Mary 30 10 1792
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe Gregory Mary 30 1 1795
Dascombe John son Dascombe Gregory Mary 11 10 1797
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe Gregory Mary 2 12 1798
Dascombe John son Dascombe Gregory Mary 21 2 1802
Dascombe Eleanor daughter Dascombe Gregory Mary 30 1 1805
Dascombe Sarah base daughter Dascombe Elizabeth 18 4 1813
Dascombe Elizabeth daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 1 1 1827 Butcher
Dascombe Maria daughter Dascombe John Mary 4 11 1827 Maltster
Dascombe Sophia daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 24 2 1828 Innkeeper and butcher
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe John Mary 9 1 1830 Maltster
Dascombe Emily daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 17 4 1830 Butcher
Dascombe Walter son Dascombe John Mary 27 7 1831 Maltster
Dascombe Ellen daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 12 2 1832 Butcher
Dascombe Mary Ann daughter Dascombe John Mary 5 11 1833 Maltster
Dascombe Mary Ann daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 1 11 1835 Butcher and Farmer
Dascombe William son Dascombe John Mary 25 5 1836 Maltster
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe John Mary 13 5 1838 Maltster
Dascombe Reuben son Dascombe Lewis Sarah 12 8 1838 Hole & Park Farmer
Marriages
Number Surname-Groom Forename-Groom Surname-Bride Forename-Bride Day Month Year Abode - Groom Groom's Father/mother Bride's Father Bride's Mother Abode - Bride Parish Notes B or L
Dascombe Lewis Mildon Margaret 3 4 1790 Twitching Bishops Nympton witnesses: John Mildon, John Rodd Banns
Dascombe Gregory Mildon Mary 18 10 1791 sojourner Bishops Nympton witnesses: John Mildon, John Rodd Banns
Dascombe Lewis Brinacomb Sally 22 2 1826 sojourner witnesses: John Brinacomb, John Dascombe Licence
Dascombe John Warren Mary 18 4 1827 witnesses: Thomas Warren, James Warren Banns
Burials
Number Surname Forename Relationship Surname-Father Forename-Father Surname-Mother Forename-Mother Day Month Year Abode Parish Notes
Dascombe John son Dascombe Lewis Margaret 28 8 1796
Dascombe John son Dascombe Gregory Mary 19 10 1797
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe Gregory Mary 29 10 1797
Dascombe Margaret 28 4 1807
Dascombe Elizabeth 1 3 1820 27 years
Dascombe Gregory 8 1 1823 57 years
Dascombe Elizabeth 3 5 1827 5 months
Dascombe Lewis 28 4 1830 infant
Dascombe Henry October 19 10 1841 Rose Ash infant
Dascombe Ellen 3 6 1852 Bampton 20 years
Dascombe Mary 30 11 1856 Village 85 years
Dascombe Eliza 26 6 1857 Village 17 years
Dascombe Sally May 7 5 1865 Village 67 years
Dascombe Lewis 25 11 1870 Village 72 years
Banns
Dascombe Lewis Mildon Margaret 14 3 1790 21 3 1790 28 3 1790 groom of Twiching
As one can see from the marriages Both of the grooms in the two Dascombe marriages one in 1790 and the other in 1791 were sojourners as was the son of John Dascombe (son of Gregory) when he married in 1826. The family may be of Twitching as the priest has listed the parish for Lewis Dascombe in 1790. The Mildon family has been at Bishops Nympton for considerably longer and does appear on the Protestation Returns of 1641.
I found the baptism of Reuben Dascombe in 1838 to be interesting as his father was farming at Park which was the location of my Robert Pincombe family (3x great grandfather) in the 1810s and 1820s.
The Dascombe family were at Bishops Nympton from the late 1700s to the 1870s and the request for information let me pull out from the excel file (not yet proofread in this time period) the following:
Baptisms
Number Surname Forename Relationship Surname-Father Forename-Father Surname-Mother Forename-Mother Day Month Year Abode Parish Notes
Dascombe Elizabeth daughter Dascombe Gregory Mary 30 10 1792
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe Gregory Mary 30 1 1795
Dascombe John son Dascombe Gregory Mary 11 10 1797
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe Gregory Mary 2 12 1798
Dascombe John son Dascombe Gregory Mary 21 2 1802
Dascombe Eleanor daughter Dascombe Gregory Mary 30 1 1805
Dascombe Sarah base daughter Dascombe Elizabeth 18 4 1813
Dascombe Elizabeth daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 1 1 1827 Butcher
Dascombe Maria daughter Dascombe John Mary 4 11 1827 Maltster
Dascombe Sophia daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 24 2 1828 Innkeeper and butcher
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe John Mary 9 1 1830 Maltster
Dascombe Emily daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 17 4 1830 Butcher
Dascombe Walter son Dascombe John Mary 27 7 1831 Maltster
Dascombe Ellen daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 12 2 1832 Butcher
Dascombe Mary Ann daughter Dascombe John Mary 5 11 1833 Maltster
Dascombe Mary Ann daughter Dascombe Lewis Sarah 1 11 1835 Butcher and Farmer
Dascombe William son Dascombe John Mary 25 5 1836 Maltster
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe John Mary 13 5 1838 Maltster
Dascombe Reuben son Dascombe Lewis Sarah 12 8 1838 Hole & Park Farmer
Marriages
Number Surname-Groom Forename-Groom Surname-Bride Forename-Bride Day Month Year Abode - Groom Groom's Father/mother Bride's Father Bride's Mother Abode - Bride Parish Notes B or L
Dascombe Lewis Mildon Margaret 3 4 1790 Twitching Bishops Nympton witnesses: John Mildon, John Rodd Banns
Dascombe Gregory Mildon Mary 18 10 1791 sojourner Bishops Nympton witnesses: John Mildon, John Rodd Banns
Dascombe Lewis Brinacomb Sally 22 2 1826 sojourner witnesses: John Brinacomb, John Dascombe Licence
Dascombe John Warren Mary 18 4 1827 witnesses: Thomas Warren, James Warren Banns
Burials
Number Surname Forename Relationship Surname-Father Forename-Father Surname-Mother Forename-Mother Day Month Year Abode Parish Notes
Dascombe John son Dascombe Lewis Margaret 28 8 1796
Dascombe John son Dascombe Gregory Mary 19 10 1797
Dascombe Lewis son Dascombe Gregory Mary 29 10 1797
Dascombe Margaret 28 4 1807
Dascombe Elizabeth 1 3 1820 27 years
Dascombe Gregory 8 1 1823 57 years
Dascombe Elizabeth 3 5 1827 5 months
Dascombe Lewis 28 4 1830 infant
Dascombe Henry October 19 10 1841 Rose Ash infant
Dascombe Ellen 3 6 1852 Bampton 20 years
Dascombe Mary 30 11 1856 Village 85 years
Dascombe Eliza 26 6 1857 Village 17 years
Dascombe Sally May 7 5 1865 Village 67 years
Dascombe Lewis 25 11 1870 Village 72 years
Banns
Dascombe Lewis Mildon Margaret 14 3 1790 21 3 1790 28 3 1790 groom of Twiching
As one can see from the marriages Both of the grooms in the two Dascombe marriages one in 1790 and the other in 1791 were sojourners as was the son of John Dascombe (son of Gregory) when he married in 1826. The family may be of Twitching as the priest has listed the parish for Lewis Dascombe in 1790. The Mildon family has been at Bishops Nympton for considerably longer and does appear on the Protestation Returns of 1641.
I found the baptism of Reuben Dascombe in 1838 to be interesting as his father was farming at Park which was the location of my Robert Pincombe family (3x great grandfather) in the 1810s and 1820s.
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