Charley family

An interesting set of emails have gone back and forth between another member of the Charley family and myself. This Charley family is mentioned in the published book on the Charley family by Irene H Charley published in 1970 and titled: The Romance of the Charley Family. The crest of the Charley family appears on the front of the book. Chapter 13 talks about the Charley family of Jamaica and this individual is a descendant of that family.

My own line does not appear in the book as such but would possibly be considered to be in the chapter about North Devon although the spelling is Charlie by the priest. He had Mary sign as Mary Pincombe so I shall never know how she spelled her name! unless I am rather lucky.   For those unable to obtain a copy of this particular publication, The Devon family of North Devon is said to be descendant of a Hugh Charley who was of Irish descent. That this Hugh Charley came from Belfast and that they were located in Combe Martin and Kentisbury as yeoman farmers. I have recorded records for the Hugh Charley family at Combe Martin and Kentisbury in another blog:

http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/search/label/Kentisbury

Chapter 10, page 69 begins the chapter on The Charleys of North Devon. Mention is made of a Hugh Charley and his wife Izis and for whom spoons were apparently created with the date 1761 and the initial I.C. They farmed at Combe Martin and Kentisbury. The oldest record that I have for a Charley family at Combe Martin is the baptism of the oldest child of Hugh and Charity Charley named Hugh and this baptism took place 25 Jan 1676. Most of the information is on the Charley family in the 1800s and1900s with a comment that they had been in North Devon for several centuries.

According to the book there is a marriage of Hugh Chorley (did he leave Ulster?) marrying Izis Watts at Bradford 17 Nov 1668. Is he the Hugh Charley found at Combe Martin as a church warden in 1699 (the book hints at that). A silver spoon was handed down in the North Devon family with the initials I.C. 1761.

The book has carefully gathered together a lot of information on the Charley families around the world with a number of genealogical charts. I can not yet place my Mary Charlie/Charley in any of these families although she likely was born in North Devon somewhat closeby to Bishops Nympton where she married John Pincombe in 1767. That she signed the parish register at this time is interesting in itself.

She has signed her name with a clear hand and nicely formed letters.

There are no other Charley/Chorley/Churley/Charlie families in the Bishop Nympton parish records at this time.

It is always nice to hear from possible cousins and I have a match on autosomal DNA with a person who has a Charley in his line. If we are able to find the common ancestor this might lead back to the Charley family at Comb Martin.

Margaret Tweddle (1728 - likely by 1818)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 35

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Margaret Tweddle was baptized 6 Mar 1728 at Lanercost, Cumberland the daughter of Thomas Tweddle and Margaret Robson who were themselves married  18 May 1721 at Lanercost. They baptized seven children at Lanercost. Margaret Tweddle was buried at Lanercost 28 Feb 1734/1735 at Lanercost. Thomas was buried 7 Mar 1777 at Lanercost. They lived at Ringing Hills near Lanercost. In the Howard Papers C129-15 at the Carlisle Record Office there is a receipt from Charles Earl of Carlisle to Thomas Tweddle dated 1 Feb 1733 for Rinnion hills Farme. A nice copy of his signature and crest (Bobbie Jean Hooser has given me this information). Thomas Tweddle at the time of signing this lease was of Ash, Lanercost. The lease was for seven years at 46 pounds a year.

Their children all baptized at Lanercost:

John was baptized 4 Jan 1722, married Jane Smith and died intestate in 1763
Isabel baptized 30 May 1723
Jeffrey baptized 22 Sep 1725
Margaret baptized 6 Mar 1728; married Henry Routledge 3 Oct 1759 at Lanercost
Mary baptized 28 Aug 1729 and buried 5 Feb 1730/31 at Lanercost
Thomas baptized 7 Jan 1731; married Ann Armstrong 13 Jun 1765 at Lanercost, died 1795
Elizabeth baptized 26 Apr 1734; married William Armstrong 24 Jan 1762 at Lanercost

Thomas (married to Margaret Robson) was baptized 5 Jul 1693 at Lanercost (died 27 Feb 1777 at Ringing Hills, and buried 7 Mar 1777 at Lanercost). His father was Thomas Tweddle and his wife's name unknown but they baptized five children at Lanercost:

John baptized 30 Sep 1691 (likely buried before 1705)
Thomas baptized 5 Jul 1693; married Margaret Robson 18 May 1721 at Lanercost
Margaret baptized 24 Aug 1697; married John Armstrong 10 Oct 1721 at Lanercost
John baptized 16 Mar 1704/05 (this is likely the John Twedel who married Jane Tweddle 4 Jan 1722); married Sybella Routledge 26 Nov 1742 at Bewcastle
Isabel baptized 2 Jan 1707

I have not yet done any research on Thomas Tweddle prior to this time. I do know that the Protestation Returns list the following Tweddle males in Eskdale Ward:

Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweady    Rowland       
Eskdale    Stapleton        Twedall    Hinsord       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    John       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    David       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    John        of Hill
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Leonard       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Leonard       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Emont       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Hurbet       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Edward        Under Theuge
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Edward        of Burdowsell
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    John       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Franncis       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Edward       
Eskdale    Cumrew        Tweddell    Nicholas       
Eskdale    Denton    Upper Denton    Tweddell    Thomas       
Eskdale    Denton    Upper Denton    Tweddell    John       
Eskdale    Farlam        Tweddell    James       
Eskdale    Farlam        Tweddell    Richard       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweedall    Robert       

Eskdale Ward includes both Lanercost and Bewcastle along with another seventeen parishes (Denton, Farlam, Cumrew and Stapleton also have Tweddle families living there in 1641-42).

Lanercost is divided into five areas plus Lanercost village - Triermaine, Burdowswell, Askerton, Bywaters and Kirkcammeck. By 1829 Rinnion Hills is listed as being part of the manor of Kingwater.

"There were four manors of Lanercost;  Askerton (which had Side, etc); Walton Wood; and Troddermain.  There were five townships:  Askerton, Banks, Burtholme, Kingwater and Waterhead.  Abbey Lanercost is in the small hamlet in Burtholme Twp on the north bank of the Irthing 2 ½ miles north of Brampton .  Askerton contained 74 dwellings in 1829 and lies between the river Line and Kingwater from 4 to 8 miles North of Brampton.  It comprises the ancient Parish of Kirkcambock or Cambeck, the church was ruined.  They are obliged to marry, bury and baptize at Lanercost and for their instruction in religion they go thither or to Stapleton, Bewcastle or whither they see fit.  Askerton Castle lies on the east bank of the Cambeck rivulet which flows to the Irthing built by the Barons Dacre for the residence of the Land Sergeantof Gilsland who commanded a few men in arms to protect the barony against the inroads of Moss-troopers.  The Earl of Carlisle’s manor of Trodder-main comprises the township of Askerton .  Banks Twp in 1829 was divided between the twps of Burtholme and Waterhead.  Gilsland had two large Inns.  Island, a hamlet is in Burtholme twp.  It containsthe hamlet of West-Hall and about 45 dispersed dwellings in 1829.  from 4-11 miles NNE of Brampton .  In the northern part of the twp  is a wild mountainous tract called Spadeadam Waste.  Waterhead Twp is divided from Northumberland by the river Irthing and had a number of detached swellings, with Gilsmalnd and Durdoswald.  West-HGalll a hamlet in Kirgwater Twp 5 miles N by E of Brampton.
Askerton:  Holme House, Knorron Lodge, Shopford, birkbush, Lines, Wintershields, Side, Lees Hill, Redsike, Floweryhurst, Smithsteads, Red Hill, Gillalees, Howdale, Kirkcambeck, Bogside, Allergarth, Floweryhurst, High Grains, Kirkcambeck, Fawcettlees, Gallabery, Askerton, Woodhead, Collinbank, High House, Bewsleybank, Hurdhill, Dollerline (Shopford, Bush).
Burtholme:  Barras foot; Garthside, Banks foot; Friarwaingate, Lanercost, Wall, burtholme, Moorfield, Moorfield, Hole head, Banksburn, Heugh, Crookstown, Holmes, Howgill, King hill, Abbey, Hare hill, callees, Whitefield, brownhurst, Abbey, Walton Woodhead, Low wall, St. Mary’s holme; Hayton gate
Kingwater:  Allanstead, Newfield, Kingsbridgeford, Harest,Palmerhill New House, Lees hill, West hall, Clarkshill, Rowntreehill, Heughgreen, Wileysidke, Rinnionhills, Swaites, Soglin, Spadeadam, Terrosset, Hallguards, Moorguards, park nook, Long lands, Hardest,
Waterhead:  Banks, Gilsland, breckneybed, Shaws hotel, Orchard House, chapel burn; Breckneybed, Snowdenclose, Lannerton, Killhill, Birdoswald, Slackhouse, Northrigghill, St Mary’holme, Highhouse, Miller hill, Wall holme; Hill, Troddermain, Underheugh, Carnetley, Leehill, Gunshole."

Source: History, Directory and Gazetteer of Cumberland and Westmorland, with Furness and Cartmel by Parson and White, 1829.


Thomas mentioned above as the father of Thomas Tweddle and grandfather of Margaret Tweddle married to Henry Routledge, would have likely been born after the Protestations Return of 1641-42 was taken. So I have no idea which of these men could be his father. Calling two sons John might make you think that he was the son of John but there are two John Tweddle's on this list. I do have some Tweddle wills and will take the time for this Challenge to transcribe them.

Date: 29 Jul 2015
Document: Will
Source: Carlisle Record Office, lib 76-77
Date of document: 7 May 1775, probated 18 May 1780
Author: John Tweddle
Relationship: unknown
Location: Banks Hill, Lanercost, Cumberland, England
Document quality: 18th century English, bold, even writing

1    In the Name of God Amen I John Tweddle of Banks Hill in
2    the parish of Lanercost in the County of Cumberland Yeoman being
3    weak in Body but of Sound and Perfect mind and memory blessed be
4    God for the same Do make and publish this my Last Will and Testament
    [Page 2]
5    in manner and form following (that is to say) First I give and
6    bequeath unto Richard Tweddle my nearest Kinsman now living
7    at the Said house near Brampton Carrier the sum of one Shilling
8    to be paid one Month after my Decease, Also I give and bequeath to
9    my beloved Wife Alice Tweddle (whom I hereby make sole Executrix
10    of this my last Will and Testament) all the rest residue and Remainder
11    of all my personal Estate Money Goods and Chattels and all my
12    household furniture of which kind or Nature soever and to be disposed
13    of by her at her discretion Will and pleasure and I do hereby
14    appoint John Bell of the Abbey in the same parish and county
15    aforesaid Yeoman my Trustee to see that this my last Will and
16    Testament be faithfully and truly fulfilled hereby revokine all
17    former Wills heretofore by me at any time made ratifying and
18    confirming this and no other to be my last Will and Testament In
19    Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal this Seventh
20    Day of May one Thousand seven hundred and Seventy five
21    Mark of John X Tweddle {Seal]
22    Signed sealed published and declared by the above named John
23    Tweddle in the presence of us who have herewith subscribed our
24    Names as Witnesses in the presence of the Testator James Harding
25    John Bell Christopher Harding sworn Proved May 18th 1780


This John Twedall married Alice Hall 17 Dec 1724 at Cumwhitton, Cumberland (Find My Past). Cumwhitton is eight miles from Lanercost. John describes Richard as his kinsman. There is a Richard Tweddle baptized 28 Apr 1731 at Lanercost son of John Tweddle and also a Richard Tweddle baptized. A Mary Harding married Thomas Tweddle (my 1st cousin 5x removed) 28 Jun 1794 at Lanercost. However I do not have a Richard in this line. Some identify John Tweddle (uncle to this Thomas) as being the editor of this will and that he had a son Richard. I wonder why he just didn't name him as his son however and another dozen children are mentioned for John. I think that may be erroneous.

This next administration is for a person known to me. He is the brother of my 4x great grandmother Margaret Routledge.

Recorded: 30 Jul 2015
Source: Carlisle Record Office
Deceased: John Tweddle
Place: Ringing Hills, Lanercost, Cumberland, England
Type of Record: Administration
Date of document:4 Jun 1763, administered 1 Jul 1763
Condition: 18th century English, legible copy


1    Know all Men by these Presents that We Thomas Tweddle
2    of Ringing Hills in the County of Cumberland Husbandman William
3    Armstrong of Askerton in said County Yeo and Henry
4    Routledge of Bewcastle in the said County Yeo
5    are held and firmly bound unto the Right Reverend Father in God Charles by
6    Divine Permission Lord Bishop of Carlisle in One hundred forty pounds of
7    of good and lawful Money of Great Britain, to be paid unto the said Lord Bishop or to
8    hi certain Attorney his Executors Administrators or Assigns, to which Payment well and
9    truly to be made We oblige ourselves and each of us by himself
10    for the whole our and every of our Heirs Executors and Administrators firmly
11    by these Presents Sealed with our Seals dated the fourth day of
12    June in the third Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George
13    the third by the Grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland King Defender
14    of the Faith and so forth And in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred
15    and sixty three
16    The Condition of this Obligation is such That if the above bounden
17    Thomas Tweddle natural and lawful Brother of
18    John Tweddle late of Ringing Hills afores[ai]d
19    Yeoman deceased intestate and
20    Administrator of all and singular the Goods, Chattels and Credits of the said Deceased
21    do make or cause to be made a true and perfect Inventory of all and singular the Goods
22    Chattles and Credits of the said deceased which have or shall come to the Hands Possession
23    or Knowledge of him the said Thomas Tweddle or into
24    the Hands and Possession of any Person or Persons for him and the same so made do exhibit
25    or cause to be exhibited into the Registry of the Consistory Court of Carlisle at or before
26    last day of Sept next ensuing and the same Goods, Chattles
27    and Credits and all other the Goods Chattles and Credits of the said deceased at the time
28    of his death which at anytime after shall come to the hands or Possession of the said
29    Thomas Tweddle  or into the hands and Possession of any other
30    Person or Persons for him do well and truly administer according to Law And further do
31    make or cause to be made a true and just Account of his said Administration at or before
32    the last day of June 1764 and all the Rest and Residue of the said Goods Chattles
33    and Credits which shall be found remaining upon the said Administrators Accompt the
34    same being first examined and allowed of by the judge or judges for the time being of the said
35    Court shall deliver and pay unto such Person or Persons respectively as the said Judge or Judges
36    by his or their Decree or Sentence pursuant to the true Intent and Meaning of a late Act of
37    Parliament made in the two and twentieth and three and twentieth Years of the Reign of our
38    late Sovereign Lord King Charles the Second Intituled an Act for the better settling of Intestates
39    Estates which limit and appoint And if it shall hereafter appear that any last Will and Testament
40    was made by the said deceased and the Executor or Executors therein named do exhibit
41    the same into the said Court making Request to have it allowed and approved accordingly
42    if the said Thomas Tweddle above bounden being thereunto required
43    do render and deliver the said Letters of Administration (Approbation of such Testament being
44    first had and made) in the said Court then this Obligation to be void or else to remain in full Force
45    and Virtue
46    Thomas Tweddle
47    Signed and delivered (being first duly
48    Stamped in the Presence of
49    Henry Waugh
50    William Armstrong
51    Henry Routledge
    [Page 2]
52    Carlisle June 4th 1763
53    On which day appeared personally Thomas Tweddle
54    and aledged
55    that John Tweddle late of Ringhinhills
56    in the parish of Lannercost and Diocese of
57    Carlisle Husbandman deceased died intestate without making any
58    Will so far as he doth know or believe That Jane Tweddle Widow of
60    the said deceased renounced her right to the Administration since dead and that
61    he the said Thomas was the real and lawful Brother of the said deceased
62    Therefore he prayed Letter of Administration of all and
63    singular the Goods Chattels and Credits of the said deceased
64    to be committed and granted to him the said Thomas
65    Tweddle on his giving good and sufficient security
66    in that behalf
67    The said Thomas Tweddle was
68    sworn in due form of Law
69    the truth of the presence and to faithfully
70    Administer and to the truth of the
71    Inventory
72    Before me
73    Hen: Richardson
74    Surrog.
    [Page 3]
75    Know all Men by these presents that I Jane
76    Tweddle Widow Relict of John Tweddle late of
77    Ringhin Hills in the parish of Lannercost in the County
78    of Cumberland and Diocese of Carlisle Husbandman deceased
79    intestate for divers good causes and considerations me hereunto
80    especially moving Do renounce the Letter of Administration
81    of all and singular the Goods Chattels and Credits of the
82    said deceased, and to thee end that this my Renunciation
83    may have its due effect I do hereby inpower any one of
84    the Proctors of the Consistory Court of Carlisle to exhibite
85    this my Renunciation before the Worshipful and reverend
86    John Waugh Doctor of Laws Vicar general and Official
87    principal of the said Consistory Court or his Surrogate
88    or other competent Judge in this behalf and pray the same
89    to be admitted and enacted And I do hereby satisfy and
90    confirm what such Proctor shall lawfully do forwith
91    in my name touching the premises In Witness
92    whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal
93    the eleventh day of May in the year of our Lord
94    One thousand seven hundred and sixty three
95    Jane Tweddle
96    Signed Sealed and Delivered
97    (being first duly stamped)
98    in the presence of us
99    Robt Latimer
100    William Armstrong
    [Page 4]
101    A true full and perfect Inventory of all and singular the
102    goods Chattels and Credits of John Tweddle
103    late of Ringinghills in the Parish of Lanercost
104    the Ciocese of Carlisle Yeoman deceased Appraized
105    on the Sixth day of April 1763 By William
106    Armstrong and Henry Routledge
107         L  s  d
108    His Horses, Apparell and Riding Furniture    10   0   0
109    Milk Cows    12   0   0
110    Young Cattle    12   0   0
111    Young Horses     5    0   0
112    Corn     7   0   0
113    Clock     3   0   0
114    Dresser     3   0   0
115    Press     2   0   0
116    Bedds and Bedding     7   0   0
117    Carts and Husbandry Gear with some   
118    other Household furniture     6  16   0
119                                                  £    67   16   0
120    Appraisors William Armstrong sworn
121    Henry Routledge sworn

The last will of the set that I purchased from the Carlisle Record Office is for Thomas Tweddle brother of John Tweddle and my 4x great grandmother Margaret Routledge.

Date: 30 Jul 2015
Document: Will
Source: Carlisle Record Office, lib 1159
Date of document: 25 Nov 1794, probated 4 Apr 1795
Author: Thomas Tweddle
Relationship: 4th great granduncle
Location: Ringon Hills, Lanercost, Cumberland, England
Document quality: 18th century English, bold, even writing

[Heading] Thomas Tweddle

1    In the Name of God Amen November the twenty fifth day
2    1794 I Thomas Tweddle of Ringon hills in the parish of Lanner
3    costand County Cumberland HusbandMan Being very Sick and weak
4    of Body but of perfect mind and Memory thanks be given unto God
5    Do mak and appoint this my last Will and Testament that is to
6    say principally I recommend my Soul to God that Gave it and my
7    Body to the Earth to be buried in a Decent manner and as touching
8    such worldly goods as it hath pleased God to bless me with I Give
9    devise and bequeath to my Daughter Margaret Holme Twenty pounds
10    together with one meal Christ standing on the low hous Loft I also
11    give and bequeath to my Daughter Mary Tweddle Sixty pounds
12    Also I give and bequeath to my Daughter Ann Tweddle Sixty
13    Pounds I likewise Give and bequeath to my Daughter Susanna
14    Tweddle Sixty Pounds I further give and bequeath to my three
15    youngest Daughters Mary Tweddle Ann Tweddle and Susanna
16    Tweddle the two best Oak presses one Dresser in the Kitchen
17    and the furniture theiron and Corner Cubert with the Cheaney
18    and Silver Spoons from and Tea tongs their in three Round
19    tables two Box Irons and bedstead standing at the West
20    end of the parlor loft one bedstead standing facen the stare
21    head on the Kitchen loft Also all the Bedding Sheets Cloth
22    and table linnins and all the Cloth of every kind and that
23    lint wheals they shall chuise on a long Chack Real one wolen
24    wheal of their Chuisen to be Divided among them shair and
25    shair alike Except two Beds furnished according to their
26    Discretion and they shall think fit and the Clothing on the close
27    Bed as it stands which I give unto and bequeath with all my
28    Money and the Rest of my Goods and Effects to my two Sons
29    Thomas Tweddle and Robert Tweddle whom I make sole Executors
30    of this my last Will and Testament and I do hereby utterly
31    disallow revoke and disannual all and Every other wills Testaments
32    Legacies bequests and Executors by me at any time heare to fore
33    Named and made Willed and bequeathed Ratifying and Confirming this
34    and no other to be my last Will and Testament In Witness
35    whereof I have hereunto Set my Hand and Seal the the day and
36    Year above written Thomas Tweddle [s] Witness
37    Joseph Armstrong Sworn Mary Harding
38    Proved April 4th 1795


Margaret Routledge returned to live at Lanercost after the death of her husband Henry as their eldest son William died at Askerton. But did she marry? There are burials for Margaret Routledge but I am not sure which one is her however I am convinced that she had died before Thomas emigrated to Canada in 1818 as he would not have likely left his mother behind. She did not come with them as far as I have been able to determine.

The Tweddle family remained at Askerton into the 1800s. They did not emigrate with the Routledges to London Township, Middlesex County. 

Ancestry of Margaret Tweddle:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Helen Louise PINCOMBE (b 18 Oct 1916) - Westminster Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
3. John Routledge PINCOMBE (b 10 Sep 1872)- Lobo Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
4. Grace GRAY (b 22 Mar 1839) - London Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
5. Mary ROUTLEDGE (b 1804 and b 23 Jun 1813) - Bewcastle Cumberland England
6. Thomas ROUTLEDGE (b 25 Jul 1763) - Bewcastle Cumberland England
7. Margaret TWEDDLE (b 6 Mar 1728) - Lanercost Cumberland England
8. Thomas TWEDDLE (b 6 Jul 1693) - Ringing Hills Lanercost Cumberland England
9. Thomas TWEDDLE (b c 1660s)

Pincombe autosomal results

Finally my Pincombe DNA project is starting to come together. I have two autosomal Pincombe matches and a third to come very shortly. Since some of my siblings have tested these results are duplicated and triplicated in various sets of results. I am now realizing that I am seeing not just my Pincombe line but also the line of John Pincombe (the emigrant)'s wife Elizabeth Rew and the wife of his father Robert Pincombe namely Elizabeth Rowcliffe. That is because the two Pincombe results I have thus far are showing differences. I think this is going to be very worthwhile. Because my mother's brother did not have any children and my grandfather was the only child in his family to survive I do not have any first cousins and only half second cousins in this line to test. The rest are my third cousins and fourth cousins etc. Hence the matches are with third and fourth cousins thus far. I am writing to one of my half second cousins to see if he would consider testing. I would then have William Robert (my great grandfather) and his second wife who will also match as she is my second cousins twice removed, her mother having been Lydia Elworthy who was the daughter of Richard Elworthy and Elizabeth Pincombe (John Pincombe the emigrant's sister). However, I should see a match with him and my third cousin once removed who is descended from John Pincombe (brother to my William Robert) and the sister of Lydia Elworthy named Maria.

We will see how that goes! Finding other Pincombe cousins to test would be really great and there is still Richard Pincombe's descendants (whom I have met and remember) and they will have Pincombe, Rowcliffe and Rew and they are my third cousins as Richard was a younger brother to William Robert.

Why am I doing this? I need to keep remembering as I do not want to lose the greater picture by becoming completely immersed in my own direct line. The Pincombe/Pinkham one name study is more than 75 years old now and the data collection preceded the Second World War most fortunately for us as Richard Pinkham went to the Record Office in Devon and abstracted all the Pincombe wills that were there including the one of my 4x great grandfather John Pincombe. He, however, was of the opinion that the Pincombe family and the Pinkham family had a common ancestor and was working towards that thought.

I do not have a preconceived notion on all of this and I really prefer to keep the study intact that he produced but it may undergo a few changes. Gradually over time as the DNA results come in from Pinkham and Pincombe members around the world we may see an answer to the question - were they one and the same family?

23 and Me

I have now completed testing for 23 and Me for both my brother and myself. As it turns out we are as far apart as two siblings can be and still be full siblings. The usual range for siblings is 2640 to 3400. We match at 2646 at 23 and Me. So I can expect to see displayed the greatest variety between the two of us for our ethnicity and the results did not disappoint in that regard.

Myself                My Brother                       %  Region
99.9%                    99.8%                               European
98.5%                    97.2%                               Northern European
54.2%                    47.3%                               British and Irish
14.4%                    20.9%                               French and German
  2.0%                      1.0%                               Scandinavian
27.9%                    28.0%                               Broadly Northern European

  0.3%                      0.9%                               Southern European
                               less than 0.1%                  Italian
  0.3%                      0.8%                               Broadly Southern European
  0.2%                      0.2%                               Ashkenazi
  0.8%                      1.5%                               Broadly European
  0.1%                      0.1%                               Oceanian
less than  0.1%        less than 0.1%                North African and Middle East
                                Less than 0.1%               Sub saharan Africa
   0.1%                     0.1%                               Unassigned          

One does hear that 23 and Me are meant to have the best ethnicity estimatations. They do use 31 populations worldwide.

I think perhaps what I like best is that we are very close the only really big differences are in the estimate of British and Irish and in French and German.  Thus far our ancestry has proven to be 100% English back to the 1500s but I have a couple of lines that are brickwalled where the possibility of something different may be hiding behind that wall. Plus my Routledge line is definitely Scot prior to 1400 making me an ancient Scot. Is British and Irish just a heading used for you whether you have British or Irish or does it mean that you have both British and Irish (where British refers to England, Scotland and Wales). I will read up to understand that. The Italian in my brothers was totally unexpected. Every DNA test has found Ashkenazi so I know that somewhere in my distant past I do have Jewish ancestors. Not sure how far back but a couple of us are working on that as I have a number of Jewish matches in all my projects. The African and Middle Eastern shows our roots and it is amazing that 60,000 years have passed since my lines left Africa but still a tiny amount clings to one gene (I suspect that is my mother's side because her lines were in Devon and it has been mentioned that one does find Middle East/Africa/Southern Europe in Devon and Cornwall DNA results). Wouldn't it be nice if we could know which of the two genes is our father's donation and which is our mother's donation. That may come gradually as I understand the matches.

I highly recommend testing at all the major companies so that you are in their databases. It is my genealogy money well spent I think especially Family Finder at FT DNA, or test at Ancestry or 23 and Me where autosomal testing is always done. I started out on my genealogy buying fiche of parishes and wills but now all of that is online in the various databases (or coming online). The next stage of genealogy does appear to be DNA.

Grace Routledge (c 1736 - 1767)7

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 34

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown


Grace Routledge, my third and last 4x great grandparent with the surname Routledge, was the daughter of Thomas Routledge and Mary Routledge. Immediately I have to admit I become curious as to whether or not this is also the Oakshaw Routledge family which often married 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins. George, husband of Grace, and already blogged as Challenge 10 of this 52 Ancestor Challenge:

http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2015/03/george-routledge-1729-1816.html

was of the Oakshaw Routledge Family. Knowing that helps to place him into a family grouping of all the Routledge family groups in the Bewcastle, Cumberland area.

With this tendency to marry cousins I can look around for the marriage of Thomas Routledge and Mary Routledge  and a most fortunate discovery that Thomas Routledge lived at Hill and Mary Routledge was from Kirkbeckstown at the time of their marriage. Thomas was the son of a Thomas Routledge and Mary the daughter of a William Routledge. They married 18 Nov 1733 at Bewcastle.

Carlisle Record Office
Will of Archibald FORRESTER of Cleughside, Bewcastle [Bc] 1767, pg 63.
Grace Forrester, deceased [possibly the mother of John Routledge (named in will)]
John Forrester, Witness
Adam Routledge son of Mary, Widow
George Routledge, of Oakshaw , Bc , father of 2 children
Grace Routledge, daughter of Mary Routledge, Widow
Henry Routledge, s o Mary Routledge [widow?]
Henry Routledge of Borderrigg, deceased, father of 3 children [my 4x great grandfather]
John Routledge s o Mary Routledge, Wid
John Routledge, my “sister’s son, son of Grace (Forrester) Routledge (sister of testator)
Leondard Routledge of Oakshaw [son of Thomas Routledge son of William Routledge and Frances Little]
Mary Routledge of Crossgreens or Strandsheads, Widow, mother of Grace, Mary, Adam, John and Henry
Mary Routledge, daughter of Mary, Wid
William Routledge of Oakshaw, deceased, father of William Routledge
William Routledge of Oakshaw son of the late William Routledge
Francis Armstrong, Witness
Catherine Dowglass of Ash wife of Thomas Douglas
Thomas Dowglass [sic Douglas] of Ash husband of Catherine
Catherine Henderson daughter of Robert and Helenor Henderson
Helenor Henderson wife of Robert and mother of Catherine
Robert Henderson husband of Helenor and father of Catherine
Alexander Kennedie of Cleughside, Friend, husband of Sibella
Catherine Kennedie of Cleughside, daughter of Alexander
Elizabeth Kennedie of Cleughside
John Kennedie of Cleughside son of Alexander
Sibella Kennedie of Cleughside wife of Alexander
William Kennedie of Cleughside son of Alexander

The bolded items make this will abstract especially interesting as George and Grace, and Henry (of Broderrigg) are three of my 4x great grandparents. Finding that Mary Routledge (widow whose husband was Thomas Routledge of Hill) of Kirkbeckstown was Grace's mother was a real surprise as I tentatively had her as the daughter of Thomas Routledge and Elizabeth Storye (this Thomas being of Oakshaw and brother to Henry of Broderrigg). The Kennedy family included may also prove to be interesting as Grace Routledge (daughter of my 3x great grandparents Thomas Routledge (son of Henry above) and Elizabeth Routledge (daughter of George and Grace above)) married George Arthur Kennedy in 1810 at Bewcastle.

My mother remembered there were a number of close cousin marriages in her Routledge ancestry. Thomas Routledge of Hill and/or Mary Routledge of Kirkbeckstown could be related to the Oakshaw family; I still need to work on that. Henry Routledge at Broderrigg was born at Oakshaw.

The forename Leonard occurs in three different families at Bewcastle in this time period just to work through that name mentioned on the abstract of the will:

Leonard baptized 10 Sep 1743 at Bewcastle and the son of Thomas) is one of seven children so why single him out? The other families mentioned Catherine wife of Thomas Douglas and Helenor wife of Robert Henderson and Sibella wife of Alexander Kennedie could all be Routledge with their maiden names but they do not fit into this particular family.

 Leonard baptized 3 Jul 1743 at Bewcastle and the son of Thomas Routledge and Elizabeth Storye is of the Oakshaw family. This Thomas is a likely brother to my Henry Routledge. He had a brother William but this William died as an infant and he had two sisters Jane and Grace.

Leonard Routledge baptized 21 Apr 1746 at Bewcastle is the son of Robert Routledge and Mary Mawers (married at Lanercost) and he is one of nine children but does have a sister Helenor.

Grace Routledge (my 4x great grandmother) married  George Routledge 16 Jun 1763 at Bewcastle and they had two daughters by 1767 as mentioned in the will abstract above. Elizabeth baptized 27 Aug 1763 at Bewcastle (my 3x great grandmother) and Margaret (Peggy) baptized 24 Apr 1765 at Bewcastle and buried 7 Jun 1767 at Stapleton. Grace was buried 10 Mar 1767 at Stapleton. She would have been about 31 years of age at the time of her death.

Her father Thomas Routledge was the son of a Thomas Routledge and had married in 1733. Looking for a baptism of a Thomas Routledge son of Thomas Routledge in the early 1700s yielded:

Thomas baptized 6 May 1701 son of Thomas Routledge of Kirkbeckstown

Her mother Mary Routledge was the daughter of William Routledge this yielded:

Mary baptized 23 Mar 1709 daughter of William Routledge of Akshaw [Oakshaw]

This Mary is a sister to my 4x great grandfather Henry Routledge and their mother was Grissell Routledge (I have not yet fitted her into a family line).  This is not the William Routledge mentioned in the will as his son William died as an infant (two children named William).

Interesting that the will also refers to a William Routledge  of Oakshaw. There is a William Routledge son of William Routledge of Oakshaw baptized 28 Jan 1702. But why does it give Mary's location as Kirkbeckstown. Interesting dilemma and will continue to sort through the records for Bewcastle but it would give a logical progression for this family if Mary  (mother of Grace) was of Oakshaw and sister of Henry.

Ancestry of Grace Routledge:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Helen Louise PINCOMBE (b 18 Oct 1916) - Westminster Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
3. John Routledge PINCOMBE (b 10 Sep 1872)- Lobo Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
4. Grace GRAY (b 22 Mar 1839) - London Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
5. Mary ROUTLEDGE (b 1804 and b 23 Jun 1813) - Bewcastle Cumberland England
6. Elizabeth ROUTLEDGE (b 27 Aug 1763) - (Raw) Bewcastle Cumberland England

Elizabeth's father's line
7. George ROUTLEDGE (b 18 Apr 1729) - (born at Todhills lived at Raw) Bewcastle Cumberland England
8. George ROUTLEDGE (b 10 Mar 1692) - (born at Stubb and lived at Raw) Bewcastle Cumberland England

Elizabeth's mother's line
7. Grace ROUTLEDGE (b c 1730s) - Bewcastle Cumberland England

Grace's father's line
8. Thomas ROUTLEDGE (b 6 May 1701) - Kirkbeckstown Bewcastle Cumberland England
9. Thomas ROUTLEDGE

Grace's mother's line
8. Mary ROUTLEDGE - (b 27 Mar 1709) - Bewcastle Cumberland England

Mary's father's line
9. William ROUTLEDGE

Mary's mother's line:
9. Grissel ROUTLEDGE 

This looks very interesting on paper and certainly the marriage records lead me to this thinking that Mary mother of Grace Routledge and Henry father of Thomas Routledge are siblings and of Oakshaw. They are mentioned in the same will as other Oakshaw Routledge families so not unexpected.

I have a lot of Routledge lines with 3 of 4x great grandparents born Routledge. Going back another generation and looking at the six lines at least four are Routledge. I know that George Routledge (b 1729) was the son of George and Blanche Routledge and I suspect that Blanch's surname was also Routledge. I do not know the surname of the wife of Thomas Routledge (b 1701). 

Finally an 11/12 match for our paternal yDNA line

A match has been a long time coming and still not quite here but in July FT DNA now has published an 11/12 match for our Blake yDNA line. The surname isn't Blake it is Messner and at 37 markers it is 30/37 so not a match in terms of any genealogical time frame. It raises my suspicion though that the haplogroup administrators for the I-L161 project have called this one correctly. This is an haplogroup that arose in southern Europe on the eastern side and traveled northwards very very early (likely 8000 to 10 000 years ago following the last glacial maximum). I should imagine that some members of the group simply stopped in places along the way where it suited them and this line is probably indicative of that. My own line continued on with that early group but likely stopped about where they would remain for the next 8000 years in southern England (Andover  Hampshire area) whilst the remaining group continued on into southern Ireland where this haplogroup is found most commonly in the British Isles.

Within this study group in the Blake yDNA study there are now five members. Two of them match 12/12 and the other three are 8/12 (my line), 7/12 and 5/12. The 7/12 I may yet assign to another subgroup because DYS459 is 10-10 instead of the usual 8-10 for this group. Is genetic drift at play here between my family result and the other three?

In terms of the 11/12 match I am able to look at it because it is part of the I-L161 project and the difference is DYS389I. But as mentioned the match is 30/37 so not related in a genealogical time frame and not in several thousand years probably. Interesting though to finally find someone who is such a close match after nine years.

The naming of my particular grouping for my paternal line at the I-L161 project is:

L161+ L1498+ S2703+ S2742+ A1514- CTS4122+ B4

The other two members of our group at Blake are placed in:

L161+ L1498+ S2703+ S2742- A1514- B2a

I must admit to being curious if members of this group (B2a) will test CTS4122 and be ancestral or dervied for that one. 

The demographics for the 2016 Ancestor Challenge

Of the 64 people listed for next year's 52 Ancestor Challenge, 32 were born in the Province of Quebec, 17 were born in various counties in England (Hampshire (2), Dorset (2), Wiltshire (4), Devon (1), Somerset (1), East Riding of Yorkshire (1), Cumberland (1), Surrey (1), Leicestershire (1), Warwickshire (2), Norfolk (1)), 4 were born in Prussia (part of present day Germany), 2 were born in New York State, 2 were born in New Jersey, 4 were born in Nova Scotia, and 3 were born in the Province of present day Ontario.

Two of the people from Wiltshire will be the adopted grandparents of my paternal grandmother. Her natural mother raised her along with her stepfather so just two lines to look at there. The rest of my lines I talked about this year so will not discuss them again unless something new and exciting comes in. The other two that I will write about are the supposed parents of my great grandmother (my maternal grandmother's mother) and at the moment I have only family lore that is linking me to this set. Hopefully by the end of 2016 I will have more information.

The advantage to doing this ancestor challenge has already shown itself as I have found a number of interesting facts that I had not collected earlier. I have not visited some of these lines for six or seven years and there is so much material online. Plus I discovered a couple of corrections to surnames which have proven to be most beneficial breaking down brickwalls that have been longstanding for these lines.

The twelve people that I have omitted in this year's ancestor challenge were the ones about whom I knew very little or nothing. Sometimes I have just a first name for the wife and have not yet been able to break through that brick wall. I have two illegitimate lines thus far; my paternal grandmother (although I do know her mother's line) and the possible father's lines for her. The second illegitimate line is actually in this same line going back. It was my grandmother's grandmother Martha Peck who married George Lywood. Her mother was Elizabeth Peck and once again her mother raised her. I am somewhat suspicious that her father was a soldier fighting in the Napoleonic Wars. Martha's husband George Lywood was a soldier in these wars and did fight at Waterloo and that is also the likely case for another of my 3x great grandfathers Thomas Rawlins. I have no paper reason to think that but I am highly suspicious.

Reworking your material on a regular basis can be very rewarding. Now that I am no longer heavily involved in any society other than a member, I hope to do that more and more. I want to have my material already to hand on to the person who is most interested within my family and perhaps I will be lucky to find that person.

My Blake material I shall either turn over to the Society of Genealogists (probably the best place) or to a person interested in carrying on the one name study. My Pincombe material, the same, either to the Society of Genealogists or another researcher. I have already made enquiries at the Anglican Church Archives here to give them all my fiche and other research material. They would like to have that material although with everything coming on line they may change their minds.

I think it is good to keep uppermost in my mind this allocation of materials that I have collected.

Diana Collins (1774 - 1834)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 33

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Diana Collins married John Happerfield 21 Nov 1793 at South Tidworth. Their daughter Sarah married  John Shearwood 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth. Their daughter Jane married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton.

She is likely the Dinah Collins baptized 6 Mar 1774 at Collingbourne Kingston daughter of John Collins. This John Collings married Sarah Potter 9 Oct 1769 at Collingbourne Kingston. Since Dinah was 60 years of age when she died 9 Nov 1834 at South Tidworth this baptism fits very well. Plus the eldest daughter was named Sarah.

Collingbourne Kingston is  4.2 miles from North Tidworth  and 5 miles from South Tidworth. It is 7 miles from Kimpton and 8 miles from Ham. It is also nine miles from Woodborough.

Children baptized to John and Sarah Collings at Collingbourne Kingston:

Hester baptized 12 Aug 1770
Sarah baptized 16 Feb 1772
Dinah baptized 6 Mar 1774
John baptized 26 Jan 1777
Charles baptized 6 Jun 1779
Daniel baptized 12 Aug 1781

Trying to find further information  on John Collings/Collins and Sarah Potter was not yet possible.This ends my seven weeks on the possible natural ancestors of my grandmother Blake. I was unable to determine the surname of the wife of John Shearwood/Sheerwood/Sherwood. At a later date I may be able to do that. The next 52 Ancestor Challenge will be one of my Routledges, the third and last 4x Routledge great grandparent.

Ancestry of Diana Collins:

1. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Sarah HAPPERFIELD (b 31 Jul 1796) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
Possibly
3. Diana COLLINS (b 6 Mar 1774) - Collingbourne Kingston Wiltshire England
4. John COLLINGS

Early Blake records in Cornwall from the OPC Cornwall website

Working on the St Just in Roseland parish records and the earliest baptism there is in 1546, twenty years earlier than Bodmin. The baptismal parish registers begin in 1558 at Bodmin and in 1538 at St Just in Roseland.

A rather interesting find that the Blake family is at St Just in Roseland and it is a large Blake family there. The Emigrants database showed that:

John Blake, a Breton, lived at Bodmin before 16 February 1525

Baptisms in Cornwall (OPC Cornwall website) up to 1599 total 33

Bodmin 7
St Mabyn 6
Whitstone 4
St Teath 4
 Illogan 3
St Minver 2
St Just in Roseland 1
Menheniot 1
St Breward 1
Botus Fleming 1
Kilhampton 1
St Germans 1
Padstow 1

You can see clustering in the area of Bodmin and above to the coast and then two clusters on the Devon border and two unclustered in western Cornwall. Can one surmise that the John Blake from Britanny (Breton) and coming to Bodmin prior to 16 Feb 1525 was the ancestor of the Blake family at Bodmin and area? Did he enter Cornwall at St Just in Roseland? That would help to account for the record at St Just in Roseland. The two clusters at the Devon border are perhaps the known Blake family in Devon.


Marriages up to 1599 (OPC Cornwall website) total  34 Males and 24 Females

Parishes for Blake male marriages
St Breock 10
Bodmin 4
Sheviock 2
Marhamchurch 2
Camborne 2
St Minver 2
St Columb Minor 2
Lanteglos by Camelford 2
St Breward 2
St Mabyn 2
Botus Fleming 1
Landulph 1
Gwinear 1
St Kew 1


Parishes for Blake female marriages
St Breock 9
St Minver 6
Bodmin 4
Enoder 2
Botus Fleming 1
Launceston, St Mary Magdalene 1
St Kew 1

Burials up to 1599 (OPC Cornwall website) total 86

St Breock 38
Bodmin 8
St Breward 5
Camborne 5
St Germans 4
St Minver 4
Sheviock 3
St Teath 3
Whitstone 3
St Columb Major 3
Illogan 2
St Just in Roseland 2
St Mabyn 2
Marhamchurch 2
St Austel 1
St Ewe 1

The same clustering is seen with the burials and I wonder why so many were buried at St Breock?

Fascinating what the old records bring to the light of day. Without the Emigrant's Database 1330 to 1550 I would not have been aware of the arrival of so many Blake emigrants to England. Can one find Blake in Cornwall prior to 1500?

Last parishes in Cornwall to be extracted from the online database

I am now down to the last set of parishes to be extracted from the online database of the Cornwall OPC.

St Just in Roseland
Rame
Chacewater
Stratton
Kilhampton
Poughill

Bridgerule
Budock
St Buryan
Camborne
St Ervan
St Erth
Falmouth
St Gluvias
St Giles in the Heath
Godolphin
Gwennap
Gwinear
Gwithian
Hayle, St Elwyn
Illogan
St Hilary
Launcells
Lanner
Ludgvan
Madron
Marazion
Mawnan
Millbrook
Mylor
St Mewan
Redruth
Penzance
Phillack
Pelynt
Tideford
Wendron

I have started to extract the census around Bodmin beginning with 1911. Hopefully I will have something to publish on all of this by the end of the year.

Interesting query on the Blake family at South Newton

I received a query on the Blake family at South Newton. I find this Blake line to be particularly interesting for my own line.  South Newton, Wiltshire lies 19 miles WSW of Andover, Hampshire  and 13 miles West of Over Wallop, Hampshire.

There is a Blake family at Over Wallop, Hampshire  (this information received from another researcher partially):

William Blake and Ann baptized children at Over Wallop. Could this be the William Blake who married Ann Whitaker 5 Dec 1751 at Saint James Trowbridge? Over Wallop though is 30 miles from Trowbridge. However they did not baptize a child at Over Wallop until Jul 1754. The following adds to the information sent to me but doesn't answer the query but since I have looked it up I decided to blog it so that I do not lose it!

James baptized 7 Jul 1754
Thomas baptized 9 Apr 1756; buried 27 Sep 1757
Thomas baptized 23 Jul 1758
Elizabeth baptized 9 Mar 1760; married John Lansley 8 May 1780 at Over Wallop
Richard baptized 21 Mar 1762
Mary baptized 8 Mar 1767; buried 16 Dec 1769

James married Mary Browning 28 Jul 1776 at Over Wallop, Hampshire and baptized children at Over Wallop:

James baptized 7 Sep 1777; married Esther Hayter 12 Dec 1818 at Over Wallop
John baptized 27 Jan 1782
William baptized 23 Nov 1783

Richard married Phoebe Northover 13 Nov 1793 at Broad Chalke, Wiltshire (7 miles from South Newton) and baptized some of their children at Over Wallop [ ] items from researcher:

[Ann baptized 10 May 1794 St Thomas, Salisbury (8 miles from Broad Chalke) ]
[John baptized 25 Dec 1795 at Ebbesbourne Wake (3 miles from Broad Chalke)]
[William baptized 21 Sep 1800 Ebbesbourne Wake] (was he buried at Over Wallop 3 Feb 1803?)
Charles baptized 10 Apr 1803
Sarah baptized 27 Dec 1805
Letitia baptized 18 Sep 1808; buried 25 Jun 1826 at Over Wallop
Thomas baptized 27 Jan 1811; buried 19 May 1811 at Over Wallop
Harriet baptized 3 May 1812[; buried Dec quarter 1843 Stockbridge RD]
Thomas baptized 19 Mar 1815
[James baptized 12 Oct 1817]

William and Elizabeth Blake baptized children at Over Wallop:

Ann baptized 20 Dec 1806
Elizabeth baptized 7 Feb 1802
George baptized 8 Jul 1804
Frances baptized 2 Apr 1809; married James Amor 10 Mar 1831 at Over Wallop
John baptized 23 Jun 1811
Hannah baptized 22 Aug 1813

 A Charles Blake was buried at Over Wallop 6 May 1742. Jone Blake was buried 2 Aug 1723 and Mary Blake was buried 3 May 1725 also at Over Wallop.

Another four earlier burials at Over Wallop: Anne Blake was buried 4 Oct 1696 daughter of Charles and Ruth; Charles Blake was buried 19 Aug 1684 son of Charles; Charles Blake was buried 11 Dec 1702 son of Charles and Ruth, and Joseph Blake was buried 22 Apr 1703 son of Charles and Ruth.

These burials are the earliest records that I found online for the Blake family at Over Wallop on Find My Past. If you go to British History Online for Over Wallop there is no mention of the Blake family in the early records as having been at Over Wallop. This manor was owned by the Ludlow family who also owned a manor in Overton Hundred at Tadley. Has this Blake family come from that manor? Or have they come from other areas around Over Wallop?

Moving on to South Newton which is the location of the query and the marriage that I am looking at is that of John Blake and Elizabeth Blake 24 Dec 1778 at South Newton (Find My Past has this marriage John Blake and Elisabeth Blake 24 Dec 1778 at South Newton and no other details).

There are a few baptisms for John Blake at South Newton

John baptized 29 Sep 1743 son of Thomas and Elizabeth Blake
John Blake baptized 5 Oct 1748 son of Thomas and Betty Blake
John Blake baptized 29 Oct 1752 son of Mary Blake
John Blake baptized 11 Jun 1753 son of John and Ann Blake
John Blake baptized 27 Nov 1756 son of William and Jane Blake

There was a John Blake buried 14 May 1755 at South Newton (no age given).

Baptisms for Elizabeth Blake at South Newton

Betty Blake baptized 15 Sep 1755 daughter of John and Ann; likely buried 23 Nov 1755 at South Newton

Betty Blake baptized 14 Dec 1758 daughter of Peter and Elizabeth
Betty Blake baptized 12 Apr 1760 daughter of Alexander and Sarah

Three Elizabeth Blakes were buried at South Newton, one in 1760, one in 1762 and one in 1764 and no age given (others in the 1770s and this is a very common forename in the Blake family).

What can I look at with this query? I did transcribe wills for the Blake families at South Newton but they were much earlier than this time frame.

Charles Blake, Upholsterer probated 8 Apr 1684 and he mentions  his father Charles Blake living at Chilhampton in the parish of South Newton and his brother Richard of New Sarum. He does not name the location for his other brother Christopher Blake nor for his sisters Mary Chalke and Anne Chase or Martha Tenne. He has a cousin Charles Gilbert.

A will for Charles Blake of Chilhampton probated 24 Oct 1649 and his children Agnes (baptized 7 Nov 1624 at South Newton), Joane (baptized 8 Apr 1626 at South Newton), Anne (baptized 1 May 1629; buried 2 Jul 1629 at South Newton), Charles (baptized 2 Oct 1631) and Edith (baptized 2 Jul 1634 (mother was Joane)).

A will for John Blake yeoman of Stovered South Newton and probated 20 May 1637 naming his sons Thomas (has seven children), Robert (two children) and daughter Joane Biggs.

A will for William Blake of Chilhampton, South Newton probated 1 Jun 1610 and he names his sons John and Charles and his daughters Edith, Dorathie, Anconett, Agnis and Margaret.

This appears to give a line coming down from William (will probated 1 Jun 1610), Charles his son (will probated 24 Oct 1649), Charles baptized 1631, Charles his son (will probated 8 Apr 1684) and his right heirs his brothers Richard and Christopher.

Maud Blake of Stoverd left a will probated 28 Oct 1616 and she names Robert Blake with sons Thomas and John, William Blake with son Henry, Henry Blake with sons William and Henry. She was married to a William Blake.

John Blake of Stooloford left a will probated 1545/46 with wife Edyth and sons Thomas and John. Thomas has a son Robert and the testator mentions a Robert Blake carpenter at South Newton.

The will of John Blake husbandman of South Newton probated 6 Feb 1553/1554 mentions his sons Walter, Gylys, William, Edward and Robert.

The will of John Blake of Stoweford probated 20 Mary 1572 names his sons John, William and Thomas with John having sons William and Thomas. Thomas's children are unnamed.

There are simply too many  with the same forename to determine the William who married Maud and with two wills for John Blake in the same time period (how were they related? or were they?). Another one of those problems that can really only be solved with yDNA studies of the Blake families descendant of the South Newton Blake families.

The enquirer is looking for a John Blake born circa 1740s-1750s. These wills bring me forward only into the mid 1600s.

 Baptisms at South Newton from the IGI (separated into family lines with father named at top of group):

Charles Blake
Agnes Blake daughter  of Charles Blake 7 Nov 1624
Joane Blake daughter of Charles Blake 8 Apr 1626
Anne Blake daughter of Charles Blake 1 May 1629 buried 2 Jul 1629
Charles Blake son of Charles Blake 2 Oct 1631
Edith Blake daughter of Charles Blake and Joane 2 Jul 1634  

Francis Blake
Thomas Blake son of Francis Blake   27 May 1627  

George Blake
George Blake son of George Blake and Frances 5 Oct 1634
John Blake son of George Blake and Frances 2 Apr 1637 buried 15 Apr 1637

Henry Blake
Thomas Blake son of Henry Blake   27 Nov 1608  
Alice Blake daughter of Henry Blake   8 Sep 1620  
Frances Blake daughter of Henry Blake   23 Apr 1626 buried 14 Nov 1627
Philip Blake son of Henry Blake   7 Sep 1628  
Elleanor Blake daughter of Henry Blake   8 Jan 1631  
Sarah Blake daughter of Henry Blake and Elleanor 26 Jul 1635  

John Blake
Joseph Blake son of John Blake   1 Jun 1625  
Elizabeth Blake daughter of John Blake   9 Sep 1627  
Robert Blake son of John Blake   18 Nov 1629  
Anne Blake daughter of John Blake   1 Feb 1631  
Elizabeth Blake daughter of John Blake   21 Jun 1632  
John Blake son of John Blake   3 Dec 1633  
Joane Blake daughter of John Blake   1 Mar 1633
Elizabeth Blake daughter of John Blake and Elleanor 27 Sep 1635  
Alexander Blake son of John Blake and Elleanor 7 Oct 1637  

Robert Blake
Joane Blake daughter of Robert Blake   1 Apr 1633  
Joane Blake daughter of Robert Blake and Alice 7 Apr 1634  
Elizabeth Blake daughter of Robert Blake and Alice 2 Apr 1637  

Thomas Blake (two sets)
Thomas Blake son of Thomas Blake   11 Jun 1626  
Thomas Blake son of Thomas Blake   18 May 1628  
William Blake son of Thomas Blake   15 Jun 1628  
Elizabeth Blake daughter of Thomas Blake   14 Nov 1632  
Joseph Blake son of Thomas Blake   30 Mar 1632  
Elizabeth Blake daughter of Thomas Blake   30 Oct 1631  
Richard Blake son of Thomas Blake   8 Apr 1632  
Dorothy Blake daughter of Thomas Blake and Frances 10 Jan 1635 buried 19 Jan 1635
Mary Blake daughter of Thomas Blake and Frances 23 Apr 1634  
Eleanor Blake daughter of Thomas Blake and Frances 20 Jul 1634  
Thomas Blake son of Thomas Blake and Jane 15 Mar 1634  

Marriages
Marion Blake married Thomas Lane 25 Apr 1608
Henry Blake married Alice Walles 28 Nov 1608
Henry Blake married Ellen Homans 20 Sep 1624
Anes Blake married Simon Pike 14 May 1626
Mary Blake married Roger Kingman 29 Oct 1632
Edward Blake married Sarah Webbe 26 Nov 1632
thomas Blake married Jane Mackerill 27 Dec 1632
Johne Blake married Elleanor Beckett 26 May 1633
Joane Blake married Alexander Percye 17 Feb 1633

Searching my blog and using : 

http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/search/label/South%20Newton

will bring up all of the wills.

John Happerfield (1775 - 1844)

52 Ancestor Challenge - Week 32

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Happerfield was born at North Tidworth (according to the census) and married Diana Collins 21 Nov 1793 at South Tidworth. He died at South Tidworth and was buried there. John and Diana baptized six children at South Tidworth including Sarah who married John Shearwood/Sherwood/Sheerwood (their daughter Jane married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton):

Thomas
Sarah baptized 31 Jul 1796; married John Shearwood 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth
John baptized 21 Sep 1800
Charles baptized 6 Mar 1803
Hester baptized 16 Apr 1806
Daniel baptized 17 Jan 1808

John Happerfield was the son of Charles Habberfield and Sarah Hitchcock who were married 12 Oct 1768 at South Tidworth. They have five known children:

Elizabeth baptized 12 Oct 1769 at South Tidworth
John born circa 1775 at North Tidworth
Charles
James
William

Ancestry of John Happerfield:

1. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Sarah HAPPERFIELD (b 31 Jul 1796) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
3. John HAPPERFIELD (b c 1775) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
4. Charles HABBERFIELD

Windows 10

Converted to Windows 10 today and system is working very well. Do not see a lot of changes except the app screen is now on the start menu. Legacy 8.5 working very well.

On to gardening for a bit and then I begin Cornwall parishes within 25 miles of Bodmin to complete that project.

H11 haplogroup

A couple of months later than I thought I would be reporting on H11 haplogroup.

There are now 119 members of this study with 71 giving their ancestral location.

Croatia                                 2
E Europe                              1
England                              10
Finland                               14
France                                  1
Germany                              4
Greece                                  1
Hungary                               2
Ireland                                  6
Israel                                    1
Italy                                      1
Norway                                3
NW Europe                         1
Poland                                 6
Prussia                                1
Russia                                 6
Scotland                              3
Serbia                                  1
Slovakia                              1
Sweden                               3
The Netherlands                 1
Ukraine                               1
United Kingdom                 1

Combining this into distinct areas in Europe + Israel one can see first of all this is a predominantly European haplogroup thus far.

Southern Europe + Israel                      4                   

Eastern Europe                                    17

Scandinavian Penninsula                     20

Western/Central Europe                      10

British Isles                                         20


Broken into haplogroup subclades

H11                                  5

H11a                              35

H11a-207A                      2

H11a1                            30

H11a2                              3

H11a2a                            4

H11a2a1                        11

H11a2a2                         5

H11a2a3                         2

H11a2-T16092C            3

H11a3                            3

H11a4                            3

H11a5                            0

H11a6                            1

H11a7                            1

H11b                              1

H11b1                          10


To date none of these could be declared to be location specific although H11a2a1 does appear to be most commonly found in the British Isles (only 5 out of 9 reporting but two of the members report likely British Isles surnames/colonial emigrants to America) and H11a2a2 appears to be an Eastern European grouping (out of 6 members 4 report Eastern Europe, 1 reports Western Europe and 1 reports Scandinavian Peninsula).

Back mutations of 16092C do appear in the H11a2 and H11a2a clade as well as in the subclades H11a2a1 and H11a2a2. FT DNA has started reporting a back mutation in 16140C as H11a2-T16092C.

H11a1  reports 10 from the Scandinavian Peninsula, 2 from the British Isles, 10 from Eastern Europe, 2 from Central/Western Europe and 2 from Southern Europe.

The last release of the PhyloTree (http://www.phylotree.org/) was 19 Feb 2014 and schematically it looks like:

H11      T8448C  G13759A  T16311C! 
                                              
     H11a      T961g  A16293G                                               

          H11a1      C8898T  C16278T!                                         

          H11a2      A14587G  (T16092C)                                         

               H11a2a      T16140C                                         

                    H11a2a1      A3145G                                   

                    H11a2a2      G5585A  T15670C  A16265G                       

                    H11a2a3      C9521T                                   

          H11a3      T16243C                                               

          H11a4      5899.XC  C16111T                                         

          H11a5      C15040T                                               

          H11a6      G1719A  G5979A  A16525G                                   

          T152C!  H11a7      C9911T                                         

     H11b      T13572C       

          H11b1      T7645C                                               

2016 52 Ancestor Challenge and Blake continuing

I have decided that I have greatly benefitted from this year's ancestor challenge so I will do it again next year but will look at our grand children's  4x great grandparents. All are known  and because there are 64 and only 52 weeks  I shall leave out 12 of mine because I mentioned them this year except for my maternal grandmother's  parents and I will choose  two others that would be intetesting to look at a second time. It would give me an opportunity to put more flesh on the bones of the 2x great grandparents.

The list:

Charles Alexandre Bedard
Marie Emelie Whelan
Leon Matte
Marie Louise Gagnon
Marius-Joseph Mourier
Antoinette Bertrand
Jean Baptiste Benjamin Neveu
Lea Audet dite Lapointe
Antoine Gregoire
Rosa de Lima Seguin dit Laderoute
Joseph Delphis Tremblay
Lucie Labelle
Augustin Lauzon
Helena Brunet
Felix Lanoie
Celine Rheaume

Joseph Dumoulin
Rosalie Renaud
Joseph Napoleon Larent dit Vinet
Rosalie Cadieux
Eustache Clement
Azelie Marie Charlebois
Auguste Breault dit Pommerville
Vitaline Pilon
Pierre Prevost
Salomee Desjardins
Francois Deschatelets
Marie Louise Quesnel
Jean Baptiste Lagarde dit St-Jean
Octavie Lavigne
Joseph Jean Baptiste Chenier
Anne Anna Racine

Isaac Kipp
Hannah Mead
Resiah Force
Elizabeth Schram
Johann Christian Friedrich Schulz
Magdalena Dorothea Johanna Passow
Johan Carl Niemann
Johanna Sophia Dusing
John Link
Mary Anne Abbs
Horace Rathbun
Eliza Jane Hotrum
Isaac Allen
Rebecca Crouse
John Casey Parlee
Margaret Folkins

John Blake
Ann Farmer
Samuel Knight
Louisa Butt
Joseph Taylor/William Cotterill
Mary Pinnells/Jane Sherwood
William Rawlings
Elizabeth Lywood
John Pincombe
Elizabeth Rew
Robert Gray junior
Elizabeth Mary Ann Routledge
Henry Christopher Buller
Anne Welch
Thomas Taylor
Ellen Roberts

I would be choosing just four from the latter group and it would be the last two and I have high hopes of proving that line back from my great grandmother by year's end :) and I think I would select the parents of my paternal grandmother's stepfather since they were known to her in her childhood days perhaps not personally (I shall attempt to determine that) but certainly as people who were discussed in family.

I think the 52 Ancestor Challenge is a project that could last a number of years as there are many ways of looking at these ancestors and this year has been extremely productive looking at mine - a number of new and interesting facts have come to light.

But now I must return to my Blake endeavours. I want to publish the Galway Blake family on World Connect and Family Search giving appropriate credit to Martin Joseph Blake for his work and I will be using a couple of other published texts as well.

Does my Blake line come from a Blake family in Ireland? The haplogroup is found in England but not in the proportions that it is found in Ireland. With the newest charting for L-161 I must admit to being really curious. I repeat the chart here:

Although this chart is somewhat small you can clearly see the break in the line of two Blake families in this chart. The lines are literally separated by CTS4122+ (my line having mutated and being + and the other being ancestral or CTS4122-).

The markers for these two individuals are separated by a genetic distance of 4 on 12 markers but of the four individuals who have tested and lie in this particular grouping two are declared Irish and the other two have very early history in Hampshire England. Three of them are an exact match on the first 12 markers - my line is the outlier. Is my line an outlier because of very ancient separation from the common founder? As the trek towards the open water and better hunting/fishing happened 8000 or so years ago across Doggerland towards Ireland did my line stop at Hampshire and the rest continue towards the coast? I wonder about that.

I shall work on the haplogroups for the Blake study today as there are a few new ones to assign and one to move into "not Blake direct line."

I also will return to working on the Cornwall Blake family. Summer always has as first call the garden but gradually that work load is decreasing and I shall return once again to genealogy.