Reworking Blake yDNA website

Back to reworking the Blake yDNA website. I would like to complete this project before the next Blake Newsletter due 1st of October.

Looking at R-M269 grouping and that includes a number of the sub-groups on the present website. Unfortunately only a few have taken their results beyond this initial subclade of R1b. Thinking through this difficult, some of the sub-groups were set up by an earlier research who placed individuals into particular groups based on email correspondence with them. I do not like to particularly do away with these initial groups unless I can replace them with something more meaningful in terms of SNPs designations to deeper subclades.

Likely I will retain some of this nomenclature but where I have deeper subclades to work with I will group individuals into these deeper subclades. In the next newsletter I will ask that people in those deeper subclades write to me with details on their Blake family line to see if I am able to improve on the divisions by relevant family information.

The goal in all of this is to provide information on the yDNA portion of the Blake study carrying the Blake surname.

Looking at the original Group labeled D English Ancestry (3) - includes Blakes who descend from William Blake and Agnes Band (nee Thorne). There are four members in this group and none of them have done any deep clade testing. This original grouping was done by an earlier Blake researcher. The reference to William Blake and Agnes Band (nee Thorne) will be discussed after looking at the yDNA allele result for these four individuals. On the first 12 markers, these four individuals are a perfect match. On the next nine markers three members continue to be a perfect match. DYS464abcd(ef) is a set of fast moving (i.e. prone to mutation) markers and at this point the three members of the group have for one individual just one difference yielding 2 members as 25/25 and one member as 24/25. Moving on to 37 markers we have 2 members are matching 37/37 and one member has one difference (the same member as had the earlier difference) yielding 35/37. Generally having the same surname and matching this closely indicates a shared ancestor but the number of generations back can not be determined exactly. Two members of the group have tested to 67 markers and just one mismatch and again the earlier member with the mismatches has this third mismatch yielding 64/67 as the shared matches between these two members. Still well within an acceptable degree of difference to be sharing common ancestry but again no ideas on far back this shared ancestor lived. having determined that this group has shared ancestry, I will move on to look at the history attached to this family line. None of the members of this group have completed Family Finder. One member of the group has stated his furtherest back Blake ancestor was Humphrey Blake who died 1515 at Plainfield, Somerset. 

The William Blake referred to above was married to Agnis Band (widow and formerly Thorne). This William Blake first was allotted land in Dorchester, Massachusetts on the 14th of May 1636. A visit to the New England Historic Genealogical Society library in Boston in 2005 yielded a number of Blake genealogies for me to examine (and photograph) at that time. Francis E Blake in 1898 compiled a history: Increase Blake of Boston, His Ancestors and Descendants, with a Full Account of William Blake of Dorchester and his Five Children. In his book he corrected the work of H. G. Somerby which is now regarded as quite fraudulent.

On Page 13 of his book he has a copy of the Agreement to the articles of association at Agawam now Springfield. He states that the signature of this William Blake bears good resemblance to his known signature at later times.

The family of William and Agnis (Band, Thorne) Blake as known in the Colony included: John, Anne, William, James and Edward. There are a number of Blake genealogies that provide information on the descendants of these five children. If an individual matches these four individuals perfectly at 12 markers, 0 to 2 markers off at 37 markers, 0 to 4 markers off at 67 markers (and the more markers the better that is for sure)  and has a paper trail back to William and Agnis Blake, I would appreciate hearing from you. Actually identifying the immigrant William Blake with a set of markers would be a real step forward. The more complicated (although I must admit doing American genealogy is a real challenge having watched my husband pursue his ancestors for nearly 50 years and we have spent many many hours in the many record offices/research facilities in the New England States and New York) aspect of this research is taking this line back to England. I think quite rightly this is an English family; they are in an English Colony and accepted as English so having made that one premise I will move back in my thinking to Somerset which is said by these descendants of this couple to be the original homeland of this couple. 

I have a number of Blake genealogies but Francis Blake has done an interesting work on this family (his own actually). He writes about Increase Blake  who was the son of Increase Blake, grandson of James Blake, great grandson of James Blake and great great grandson of William (the immigrant) Blake. 

As noted above one of the testers in this D - English Ancestry (3) group has given his furtherest back ancestor as Humphrey Blake. Francis Blake in his book was in correspondence with a descendant of one of the brothers of William the immigrant Blake, namely Edward J Blake  and he lived at Crewkerne, Somerset as identified by Francis Blake.  Edward Jarman Blake was born Sep quarter 1853 in Taunton RD (Free BMD, accessed 26 Sep 2018). Included in Taunton is Bishops Hull where Edward Jarman Blake is found on the 1861 census (Find My Past) with his parents William Blake, Fanny F O Blake (actual Fanny Follett Osler (Browne) Blake) and his five siblings. His father was a Justice of Chelsea and a landed proprietor born in 1816 at Crewkerne, Somerset. On the 1901 census, Edward Jarman Blake is located at Crewkerne on the census. He is a solicitor and his children were born at Crewkerne commencing in 1894. This fits in very well with the publication date of the book in 1898. 

William, father of Edward Jarman Blake, was born 19 Nov 1815 and baptized 4 Nov 1816 at Crewkerne in the Presbyterian Church. His father William was a minister in that Church and his mother was named Elizabeth.  William Blake and Elizabeth Jarman married in Bath 21 Oct 1812. There is a Pedigree Chart held by the Blake Museum at Bridgwater which does trace this line back (chart 5):

Where we can see that William Blake of Crewkerne who married Elizabeth Jarman was baptized 31 Mar 1773. Using another portion of the chart his parents are named as (Reverend) William Blake and Hannah (Downing) Blake and they married 1 Sep 1768 at Bishops Hull, Somerset. 

William Blake (married to Hannah Downing) was baptized 29 Apr 1730 son of William Blake and Jane A'Court who married 21 Oct 1712 at Yeovil, Somerset. William was their youngest child according to the Charts published by the Blake Museum and this does fit with the records.

The two last charts do fit together. Rev Malachi Blake in the lower right corner of the last chart can be seen in the second last chart top line and 2nd individual to the right from the left hand edge.

William Blake lived at Taunton at least towards the end of his life as he was buried there 31 Jan 1772. He was the son of the Reverend Malachi Blake and Mary (Mico) Blake.

In the middle of the above image William Blake of Taunton married Jane A'Court and the parents of William in the line above and to the left the Rev Malachi Blake married to Mary Mico. Find my Past has the baptism of Malachi Blake 24 Jun 1651 at Pitminster, Somerset son of John Blake although it is only a transcription of a record. The Rev Malachi Blake is said to be living at Wellington which is within the Taunton Registration district (as is Pitminster).

The Chart at the Blake Museum lists the parents of Malachi Blake as John Blake and Mary Wilkins who married 20 Jun 1648 at Pitminster. The website of Roy Parkhouse with his transcriptions of the Pitminster Parish Registers (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Pitminster/PitBap_Be) lists the following children baptized by John Blake as Malachi baptized 24 Jun 1651, Elizabeth baptized 12 Mar 1652, William baptized 13 Feb 1654, Samuell baptized 16 Dec 1656, and John baptized 16 May 1659 (also an unknown daughter baptized 3 Dec 1661). These records do fit in with the chart above.

Comparing this new chart with the one above William Blake of Taunton married to Jane A'Court is in the middle of the chart on the left. The line above has William Blake of Pitminster which can be seen on the chart above and is just above William Blake and Jane A'Court. Looking to the right the grandfather of William Blake married to Jane A'Court is listed as John Blake of Pitminster and his wife Mary Wilkins.

The father of this John Blake is named as John Blake of Pitminster married to Elizabeth. His probate was administered 1 May 1647 but no record could be located for this particular administration. John was baptized 19 Jun 1597 but these records are not available to the author. This particular individual is important to the story as the chart shows that it was his brother William Blake of Pitminster baptized 10 Jul 1594 was the William Blake who went to Dorchester in the Massachusetts Bay Colony with his wife Agnes (Bond, Thorne) Blake and their children.

The parents of John and William are named as William Blake of Pitminster and Anne (unknown). This William is listed as buried in 1642.

The individual who created this large chart held by the Blake Museum is unknown. It is in the same handwriting so was created after the last entry in the 1920s.

Horatio Gates Somerby did create a set of information which has now been declared fraudulent where he referred to the progenitor of the Blake family of Wiltshire as a Robert Blake (having dropped the de from his name i.e. Robert de Blake). He named his son as Robert and then Henry son of that Robert married to Elizabeth daughter of Edward Durant. One can thus assume that the author did not actually use his work.

Looking at the timeline we have Robert Blake married to Avice (Malwyn, Wallop?) and that she died 29 Oct: 13 Edward IV (regnal year translates to 1473), with an Inquisition Post Mortem 29 Oct: 14 Edward IV. The regnal year 29 Oct 14 translates to 1474.  The National Archives UK has this particular document dated as between 4 March 1474 and the 3rd of March 1475 (C 140/48/6) listed under Blake, Amice Wilts and I did send in a correction to Blake, Avice [Wilts]. Working backwards and a transcription of this document states that her son John was 40 years of age making Avice around 60 in 1473 giving her a year of birth approximately 1413. Her husband Robert would have been born around this time and he is stated to be the son of Henry Blake and even if we attribute just 20 years to each generation this would take us back to 1393. Henry's father is said to be William and twenty years back would mean a year of birth of 1373. This William a son of Henry and twenty more years back to 1353. This Henry the son of Richard Blaque and hence born circa 1333. This Richard the son of Robert and hence born in 1313 at the earliest. The record of Robert being a juror in 1336 is hence possible.

There isn't any information on the creator of this particular document. No information on the source of all the material or whether an earlier document was copied. As can be seen in the trace back above many of the records are backed up by other researchers' transcriptions through the years. On the early part of the chart shown above I have absolutely no ideas on whether it is fully correct. I have not yet found the record from 1336 for Robert Blake. The National Archives UK holds a number of juror lists. But I did find one interesting records of a Grant (at Echelhampton) by Robert le Blake to John Malewayn of all his lands and tenements in Echelhamptone which he by feoffment of his brother Adam Blake and which were lately Robert de Echelhamptone's. This record is held by the Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre and was dated 1358 with reference 1720/154. At the archives search for the Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre I located a few documents for Robert le Blake:

Reference 1720/120, Grant (at Calne): By John de Fynemore to William Rolf of Blakelonde and Agnes his wife for their lives, or a piece of arable land in the field of Blakelonde (Blackland). Witnessed: John le Chamberleyn, Thomas de Takelberwe, Robert le Blake, William Asser, LAdam le Schetere, William de Taseworthe. Date: 1334

Reference 1720/137, Grant (at Stockeleghe): By Adam le Chamberleyn of Stokkelegh to John le Glasyere and Isabella his wife, of all his lands and tenements in the hundred of Calne, for the life of the grantor, with reversion of lands in Stokkelegh. Witnessed: Geoffrey of Castreton, Robert Cauntelou, John Blount, Robert le Blake, Thomas of Roude, Adam le Sheoter, William of Taseworth. Date: 1347

Reference 1720/139, Re-Conveyance (at Stokkeleye): By John Glasiere and Isabella his wife to Adam le Chamberleyn of the property at Stockley conveyed to them in 1720/137 and 1720/138, excepting 1/2 acre in the field called Nywelond. Witnessed: Geoffrey of Castreton, Robert of Cantelupe, John Blound, Robert Blake, Thomas of Roude, Adam Schetere, William of Taseworth. Date: 1347

Reference 1720/148, Grant (at Chippenham): By Richard le Scrivayn of Chippe(n)ham of licence to his tenant Juliana atte Slow, to exchange two acres of arable land at  Kemerford (Quemerford in Calne) with Robert le Blake. Witnessed: Roger le Tay...(?), John le Gode, John Waleys, John Bacon, William Cripce. Date: 1351

Reference 1720/152,  Bond (at Hungerford)(: From Thomas Hungerford and Robert le Blake for payment of £50 to John Malewayn of Echelmaptone. Date: 1358

Reference 1720/154, Grant (at Echelmapton): By Robert le Blake to John Malewayn  etc. as mentioned above.

Reference 1720/164, Grant (at Bromham): By John de la Roche, knight, to John atte Halle of Whetham, of all his "standing" which he had from Ralph Scut of Sende (Seend) in the lands and tenements which were formerly John Fynamour's in socage, and which came to Ralph as next of kin to William, son and heir of the said John Fynamour, in wardship of the minority of the said William. Witnessed: Robert le Blake, Robert de Cauntulo, John de Stodlegh, Robert Asser, William Howes. Date: 1363

Reference 1720/213, Lease (at Whetham): By William Fynamour of Whetham and Agnes his wife to John Waryn of Hedington, for six years, of two crofts as le Brodes. Witnessed: John Blake, Robert Salman, John Houwes, John Taseward, William Averay. Date: 1395

An interesting set of documents in that a Robert Blake would marry Avice Malewyn (widow) in the early 1400s. One is left to wonder who the John Blake is in the 1395 document. Robert appears to be alive at least until 1363 if it is the same Robert throughout the 1300s.

In 1351 Robert le Blake acquires land at Quemberford which is an interesting find.

Searching on Robert Blake instead of Robert le Blake yields 84 results of which 7 are in the 1300s and 1400s and not yet added.

Reference 1300/33, Quitclaim: Sir William Esturmy, to Robert Erleghe his kinsman, of all rights in lands, called Ringlonde, Welyngtones and Saff[es][? Gyffardes] in Burbage. Witnessed: Welter Beauchamp and Robert Shotesbroke, kts., William Darell, Robert Blake, Robert Selman, Richard Stopwelle, William Coventre. Very fine armorial seal. Date: 1404

Reference 1720/115, Undated petition (in French), Reign of Edward III: To Mons. de la Souche and de Hayngworthe, from William Fynamous, a tenant of the manor of Kalstone. Gynamour holds of the manor a tenement and land at Stokkeleye, a portion of which is in the hands of Robert Blake. He has been distrained on for the whole and prays therefore for relief. Date: 1327-1377

Reference 1720/138, Quitclaim (at Stockelegy): By Adam Chamberleyn to John Glasyere and Isabella his wife for the lands etc. granted by him to them in Stockelegh. Small red seal with hunting horn. Witnessed: Geoffrey of Castreton, Robert of Cauntelou, Robert Blake, John Blount, Thomas of Roude, Adam Sheoter, William of Taseworth. Date: 1347

Reference 1720/140, Conveyance (at Coumbe): By Adam Chamberlayn to John Fynamour and Alice his wife of a messuage and lands in Coumbe, with reversions of lands etc. in Stokkelegh (Stockley, Calne) and the tenement and land which John Avenel formerly held in Tazeworthe (Tasworth, Calne) all of which the grantor had by feoffment of the said John Fynamor. Witnessed: Geoffrey Castretton, Robert Cauntelo, Robert Blake, John Glasiare, Thomas Cockelbergh, John Atte Halle. Date: 1349

Reference 1720/163, Acknowledgement (at Calstone): By William la Zouche, lord of Haryngworthe and Adam Darderne, rector of the church of Berughby of the receipt from John atte Hale of Whetham, Robert Blake, William de Wychamptone, Robert Felawe, Robert atte Slade and Robert Asser, of £10, in part payment of £40. Date: 1363

Reference 1720/165, Grant (at Wynterbourne Basset): By William Hereberd of Budestone to William de Byde, clerk, of his lands and tenements in Wynterbourne Basset. Round green seal of William Hereberd, with a coat of arms. Witnessed: William Worston, Peter Besiles, Thomas Hungerford, Michael Skyllynges, Robert Blake, William Arnald, John Aunsel, John Russel. Date: 1363

Reference 1720/199, Grant (at Calne): By Geoffrey Symple of Wynterbourne Whitcherch (Dorset) to John Blake of Quemerford, of an acre of land in the field called Westyntone. Witnessed: William Wychamptone, Richard Roude, Robert Formage, Roger Carpenter, Richard Chamberlayn. Date: 1386

Reference 1720/206, Quitclaim (at Calne): By Walter Hertlaund of Carswell in the parish of Newent to William Fynamour of Whetham, of all his right in the lands etc., which were formerly Sewales in Ryddelawe and Vegham (Rudloe and Fogham, Box) or elsewhere in the parish of Box. Witnessed: John Blake, John Stodlegh, John atte Hall, Robert Felawe, William Wychampton. Date: 1390

Having all these documents at hand might prove interesting looking at the Blake family in this time period in Wiltshire. 

A few thoughts I am left with: Who is John Blake  of Quemerford in 1386? That Robert le Blake was never referred to as Robert de Blake always Robert Blake or Robert le Blake. One is left to wonder if he is a descendant of Richard le Blake who asked to set up a market in 1274 as a merchant from Rouen, France. All the references to Calne are rather interesting. Could it be that a researcher in the past like Horatio Gates Somerby read through these documents and not being able to read the early Latin and understand it or perhaps having difficulty with reading the actual text simply picked up on the surname Blake and the various places and assumed that they referred in some way to Robert Blake as a property in which he was involved? 

Comparing this chart to the published works of the notes of Horatio Gates Somerby (produced by W.H.W. at Boston, December, 1881 private printing). This printing was considered by Mr Stanton Blake and his brothers and they have consented to have this book printed for the use of the family. 

Stanton Blake was the eldest son of George Baty Blake (his two older brothers died as infants) and he was born 8 May 1837. He had four brothers. George Baty Blake married Ann Hull Blake (daughter of Joshua Blake) 6 May 1833. 

George Baty Blake was the son of John Welland Blake and Abigail Jones. John Welland Blake was the son of Joseph Blake of Boston and Hingham and he married Deborah Smith. Joseph was the eldest son of Joseph Blake of Boston and Mary Welland (married 18 May 1738). Joseph was the son of Solomon Blake of Boston and he had married Abigail Arnold 24 August 1704. Solomon was the son of Edward Blake of Milton and he married Patience Pope. Edward Blake was the son of William Blake (the immigrant) and his wife Agnes (Band, Thorne). 

This is the first time that I have looked at the book often referred to as Horatio Gates Somerby's  genealogical research. I have not done the research on this line but would say that his details on the family of William Blake (the immigrant) would appear to be as it was known in the 1800s and I have not actually seen anything to indicate that he was in error in this part of his notes. 

This has been an interesting look at the information that is available in the Record Offices of Wiltshire/Somerset on the Blake family that can be reviewed online. Although I continue to say that Horatio Gates Somerby was incorrect some of the fault can be attributed to incorrect copying from this original book. Nonetheless he is incorrect to name my ancient ancestor Nicholas Blake of Enham as a grandson of Robert Blake of Calne, there isn't anything to prove that nor was Nicholas' mother named Mary. Clearly in the will of Jone Blake dated 23 Mar 1527 she names her children Nycholas, Robt and Elsabeth [Blake) Mylne. She indicates that she is living at Enham. 

Ethnicity as a subject of discussion

There is a free public workshop sponsored by Archives of Ontario which I am watching at the moment - just on lunch break. The name of the workshop: Genealogy and Genetics.

I must admit my initial concern when we tested in 2006 was what would these results be used to look at. It was about six months before we actually did the National Genographic Test and submitted it. I have nothing to hide but taking the test implies on my part that I think this is a good idea to do DNA testing. As it has turned out the advent of DNA testing did a great deal towards teaching us that we are all a subset of African diversity; our footprint in Africa still shows up 60,000 years after our ancestors are said to have left Africa.

The database that is used by National Genographic has samples from indigenous groups from many many parts of the world. They particularly took DNA samples from groups of people who were static; i.e. had been in their location for thousands of years by their known history. It was such testing that let National Genographic create the haplogroup charts for yDNA and mtDNA showing the changes from the oldest samples to the modern samples found around the world although primarily in 2006 the purchased samples were from North America and Europe (including the British Isles). It was a gift to be able to see one's trek out of Africa and now, twelve years later, that trek is for the most part unchanged from the original map which we received with our results.

The introduction of autosomal testing though has brought to the forefront a dilemma with regard to who we are by our ethnicity. Having testing at all of the testing companies I can say quite assuredly that none of them are the same. They all use different comparison databases. Our personal ethnicity doesn't change but the way that they are calculated based on different reference points results in a variable ethnicity between companies. The reference points can and will become more or less precise. That is the amazing part of genetics and DNA studies. As you accumulate a greater number of samples than the chances of introducing another ethnicity from these new sample takers increases rather than decreases the number of ethnic origins because we are a migrant people. We keep moving; perhaps not in each generation but over time our people have moved.

When I started to work on genealogy, I had no idea on the birth places of my ancestors past grandparents except in the case of my Blake direct line and my Pincombe direct line. The other two lines were mired in stories partly to conceal and partly speculation generated by discussion of my parents with their parents in their childhood. It wasn't that that sent me to genealogy; rather it was my cousin who needed me to write a bio for the Westminster and Delaware History Books (published in 2005). He tried to get my sister to write it and she redirected him to me because Ed (my husband) does genealogy. As resistant as I was to becoming involved in genealogy a trip to Europe had stirred just a little of that interest. The suggestion that my grandfather had owned a grocery store on Wharncliffe Road (it was my uncle, his son) was enough to spur me onward to write the bio. I took 43 courses at the National Institute for Genealogical Studies (best couple of thousand I have spent in a while!) and while taking the courses I did the needed research and produced the bio in time for publication (with the help of my siblings and Pincombe cousins that my cousin brought together for a research day). The information still stands as being correct even after 13 years of publication which I think might be amazing given the possibility of making a mistake in moving backwards in time.

Once into genealogy though I could not leave it alone. It has occupied my waking hours now for fifteen years and the fascination increases rather than diminishing. Have I solved all the problems? Absolutely not; nor will I in my lifetime. DNA has pointed out more possibilities than family lore ever did. The Ethnicity results have given credence to that family lore.

The misuse of ethnicity though is always in my thoughts. Living next door to the United States I am very conscious of what can happen in a society when one group decides it is better than another based on colour. It is a scary thought actually; one we must avoid at all costs. We are all equal under the sun. 

New Ethnicity Results at Ancestry

My memory record for these results.

Results for four siblings:

1st sibling

83% England, Wales and Northwestern Europe
10% Ireland and Scotland
4% Germanic Europe
2% Baltic States
1% France

2nd sibling

81% England, Wales and Northwestern Europe
12% Ireland and Scotland
4% Norway
2% Baltic States
1% France

3rd sibling

84% England, Wales and Northwestern Europe
12% Ireland and Scotland
2% Germanic Europe
2% Sweden

4th sibling

69% England, Wales and Northwestern Europe
17% Ireland and Scotland
6% Germanic Europe
5% Norway
3% Sweden

All of our known ancestry is English (i.e. from six distinct areas in England itself):

Devon/Somerset
Hampshire/Wiltshire/Dorset
London/Surrey
Warwickshire/Staffordshire/Leicestershire
East Riding of Yorkshire
Cumberland

Five waves of migration brought these six distinct areas to Canada between 1818 and 1913.

The first wave coming from Bewcastle, Cumberland in 1818 with my 3x great grandparents Thomas and Elizabeth (Routledge) Routledge and their family including their daughter Elizabeth Mary Ann Routledge who was fourteen years old at the time.

The second wave come from Etton, in the East Riding of Yorkshire with my 2x great grandfather Robert Gray junior arriving circa 1832-34 and he married Elizabeth Mary Ann Routledge in 1835. One of their daughters was Grace Gray born in 1839.

The third wave came from Bishops Nympton/Molland, Devon in 1851 with my 2x great grandparents John and Elizabeth (Rew) Pincombe. Elizabeth though was born at Selworthy Somerset. One of their children William Robert Pincombe was thirteen years old at the time. In 1865 William Robert Pincombe married Grace Gray. Their surviving child was John Routledge Pincombe.

The fourth wave came from Birmingham, Warwickshire in 1908 with my maternal grandmother Ellen Rosina Buller. Unknown to her was the London/Surrey ancestry of her Grandfather Buller's line. Ellen married John Routledge Pincombe in 1913. One of their children was Helen Louise Pincombe.

The fifth wave came in two parts from Eastleigh, Hampshire with my grandfather Samuel George Blake coming first in 1913 followed eight months later by his wife Ada Bessie Cotterill (Rawlings Taylor) Blake and their son Ernest Edward George Blake. Ernest married Helen Louise Pincombe.

Ancestry was the first company that we tested at to note our Irish/Scot ancestry and the percentages were substantial in their first recording and continue in this second realignment with 10%, 10%, 12%, and 17% recorded. Known to us already because of our testing of the mtDNA was the likely resting spot for our ancient ancestress in the mitochondrial line prior to modern migration and that area was Argyllshire/Ayrshire, Scotland. This area is known to have ancient migration across to Northern Ireland. But also during the Cromwellian era (the 1640s in particular) a number of Scots were moved to Ireland and referred to as Planters. This was a great step forward in my thinking with regard to my maternal grandmother's mother who is known to us as Ellen Taylor and information from 1879 when she was about 20 years of age until her death at 37 years of age in 1897 is available. It is her actual birth date/birth parents that are unknown although purchasing every Ellen Taylor's birth registration at Birmingham/Aston has given credence to a possible set of parents not yet proven. But it is our present day Irish matches that may yet assist us in that regard. The expected percentage from a great grandparent in our autosomal DNA is estimated to be 12.5% and the variance tends to be between 0% to 25% (i.e. you may not share any from a great grandparent or you could have inherited totally from one great grandparent by inheriting solely from one of two grandparents perhaps but that would likely be pretty rare). What colours this percentage of Irish/Scot somewhat, and it shows up in Living DNA results, is the Routledge family. These 3x great grandparents (second cousins) are originally Scot Highlanders prior to the 1500s and given that they tended to marry cousins the DNA has not been diluted by other family lines through the centuries up to the early 1800s. How much does a 3x great grandparent contribute and that is around 3% so 6% in total since both are Routledge and from the same actual line. If I look at the matches then sibling 4 does match quite strongly with the Routledge family (stronger than the other three) and you can see that in the 17% - Amazing really what DNA can find!

Scurrying away once again to contemplate these latest changes and how they might affect my thinking with regard to that elusive great grandmother. I do have cousins in the United States that share my maternal grandmother's ancestry (two of her sisters) (six 2nd cousins (grandchildren of these two sisters)) and perhaps one of these days they will test and we can triangulate on some of these known Irish matches!

Blake family

I wrote to the owner of one of the Blake trees on My heritage mostly because it shows descent from my 3x great grandparents Thomas Blake and Sarah (Coleman) Blake. I have a pretty extensive tree coming down from the parents of Thomas Blake (Joseph Blake and Joanna (King) Blake) which pretty much includes everyone known to me from discussions by my Grandfather Blake who lived with us when I was a child. However, I was only eight when he died so have always been open to other thoughts. A researcher in England put together a similar tree for a descendant who lives in Australia and he shared that with me about fifteen years ago now.

For the most part this family (looking at the fiche for the area parishes) lived at Upper Clatford from the marriage of Joseph Blake (from Andover) and Joanna King in 1757. This family continues to live at Upper Clatford (a few descendants). They also did live in neighbouring villages like Abbotts Ann, Monxton, Longparish, Little Ann, etc etc but mostly in that area around Andover.

This new tree has its main roots in Havant which is far to the south of Hampshire. I have worked on the Havant Blake family when I did the wills for Hampshire. I have no real ideas on their location before they are located there. It is unlikely that this line is descendant of Thomas Blake and Sarah (Coleman) Blake simply because all of their children and their descendants are accounted for in the research done by an earlier researcher in England (name escapes me at the moment but do have that in an email from the early 2000s) and myself.

The question really is how to proceed. Neither I nor any of my siblings match the ten descendants of the Blake Havant family who would be third cousins or third cousins once or twice or three times removed (I have long generations in my family due to my ancestor being a younger child (born in 1845) with much older siblings (born in the late 1820s and 1830s). This researcher has mentioned that they are not sure of that connection. Should I proceed and say that this connection is unlikely? or just leave them to realize that it is very unlikely? Always a quandry.

I actually have a similar problem much further back in my Blake tree. The parents of Joseph were Thomas Blake and Ann (Carter) Blake and he was the son of Thomas Blake and Mary (Spring) Blake. Thomas was their only child as far as I can tell and I do have the fiche for the areas around Andover. A Charles Blake was baptized at Abbotts Ann possibly in the exact same time period (I can not find that in the Abbotts Ann fiche and do suspect he was baptized elsewhere and the son of a different Blake line). I have given all that information to one of the individuals who kept attaching to my Family Search tree but this likely error is widely circulated and I encountered it again in the One World Tree. I am hoping that DNA may solve this mystery. I do not know for sure that the Blake line that I believe Charles descends from is the same as my Blake line. Finding a male to test his yDNA in that line would be really handy but it has not yet happened.

Since I help to manage the yDNA study for Blake at FT DNA I do have access to lots of Blake lines but my own line remains obscure primarily because of only children in the line for three generations and then my father was an only child a number of generations later. We do have autosomal matches with descendants of Thomas Blake and Sarah (Coleman) Blake which proves the line back to Thomas but as of yet no male Blake yDNA for this Upper Clatford/Andover family other than my brothers.

I thought I would write this blog post to see if anything came from my putting down in writing what I have been thinking. Again this line on My Heritage is not a male Blake line so no possibility of testing. The Blake ancestry is back several generations.

I think I will do what I usually do simply make people aware of all the information already available on the Blake line at Upper Clatford.

DNA Painter or Phasing Grandparents or both

Now that I am well into using DNA Painter and can see the benefit of putting all known matches into profiles (I now have 15 profiles), I decided to have a deep look at what I was doing. I discovered that my husband's profile was 49% complete with all of his known cousins painted. I was not making any progress on phasing his parents or grandparents because he is the last one of his generation (all grandparents, parents and sibling have passed away). But painting his nearly 70 known cousins has proven to solve that problem. Some of the chromosomes are almost complete including the X chromosome which I thought might be a real challenge to produce. The X chromosome passed to his mother by his maternal grandfather shows up beautifully in the colouring. This section of the chromosome having come from my husband's great grandmother Mercy Ann (Rathbun) Link. Matches on that chromosome that do not carry any autosomal material will be quite distant but that line can be traced back to her mother Eliza Jane Hotrum who was born 22 Feb 1831 in Upper Canada and the daughter of David Hotrum and Mary Baker Smith. Eliza would have received one X chromosome from her father coming directly from his mother Catherina Jons (married to Conrad Hotrum) and the X chromosome she received from her mother Mary Baker Smith would have come from her father Henry Smith and her mother Elizabeth Baker. Until DNA Painter arrived the process of looking at these DNA results from cousins was quite cumbersome.

Looking at myself and my four siblings who have tested and our matching cousins I am coming up with smaller percentages of completion - between 10 and 15 % only. However with so much material and around 30 known cousins (a lot in the same family lines), I had phased my grandparents. The painting proved to be a good check on that phasing. Using the same colours is helpful! I am still painting in just four colours whether in DNA Painter or phasing but eventually I will go to eight colours for the great grandparents.

Because of my experience, I can see a benefit to doing both if you have sufficient material to do the work of matching. I use both charts for an unknown match even yet for my family lines. I had started to phase my husband's chromosomes but was finding it pretty slow going.

Reworking the Blake yDNA website at FT DNA

Yesterday I started to rework the DNA results page for the Blake yDNA project at FT DNA. I have only worked on the I haplogroup thus far. It is something I have meant to do for quite a while but time didn't present itself and still time is a little short. I will gradually convert the results from their current status to SNPs of the larger part of each of the individual groups. The decision I need to make is do I include all the members in the new group when the alleles match although they may not have done deep clade testing? It does imply an assumption on my part unless individuals match members within the group who have tested. It was easier looking at the I haplogroup because I have more information on these groups. My Blake line tested by my brothers is I-L161 haplogroup and in the case of our line further defined by Big Y as I-PH3480. The other member in this group is not related to our line in thousands of years. Eventually as we move forward with this new style of referring to the individual groups I will break down the individual haplogroups into subclades even if they have only one member.

The R1b haplogroup is massive for Blake and I need to think carefully how to work those groups. The R1a is fairly straight forward as it turned out although just one member has done deep clade testing,.

52nd Wedding Anniversary

My husband and I have now reached our 52nd Wedding Anniversary. We married relatively young, I was 20 and he was 23. One prays for many more years together and God willing that will be so.

This morning we went out for an early morning brunch of blueberry pancakes which we much enjoyed and drove about the area for a short time.

Then back to our desks to work on our genealogies.

I wondered if I would ever be able to put together Lazarus charts for my husband's parents but the arrival of DNA Printer has been such a marvelous tool. Even though Ed is the last of his immediate family (parents and brother all deceased), I have managed to paint 49% of his chart with cousins. I have a good picture of his parents and grandparents as a result. I have actually managed Lazarus Charts for his father at 918.8 centimorgans thus far. His father died when he was just two years of age. I thought his mother might be easier but not enough people have put their results up on Gedmatch thus far. Her chart is just at 600 centimorgans.

Pincombe-Pinkham Newsletter, Volume 3, Issue 4, 2018

Pincombe-Pinkham Newsletter

Table of Contents

1.   Pincombe Charts, original One-Name Study at the Guild of One-Name Studies

2.   Will of Temperance Pincombe

3.   Autosomal DNA Study

4.   North Molton Parish Records (Part 9)

1.   Pincombe Charts, original One-Name Study at the Guild of One-Name Studies

These Pincombe Charts were created by the two researchers in the original One-name-study at the Guild of one-name-studies. I reprint them with the thought in mind that others could add to the knowledge of these charts. I have reworked some of them and will publish that information when complete. I am publishing the chart for Roborough – High Bickington in this issue of the Pincombe-Pinkham Newsletter.

The link for the original chart (image below):

http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/Chart6.jpg 

This is not a set of Pincombe/Pinkham families that is familiar to me. Any information on any of these lines is most welcome and if you wish to write up an article on the family at Roborough-High Bickington it would be interesting to understand more about this line of the family.

Find My Past has a record for a John Pinkombe Senior (90 years of age) buried 11 Jan 1640 at Roborough. There are mentions of burials for Jasper Pincombe (1652) and John Pinkcombe (1596) but I was unable to verify the children of the John Pincombe mentioned in the upper left corner.

The record of the marriage for John Pinkombe and Mary Moors 30 Jan 1614 at Roborough is listed in Boyd’s Marriage Index.  The original image is online at Find My Past with the name of John’s wife given as Marye Moore in the parish register. The five children listed on the chart just below John and Mary do have records mentioned on Find My Past at Roborough as well with the death of the first John recorded as Jan 1615/16 and his baptism 3 Dec 1615. A second John was baptized 17 Nov 1616. Elizabeth was baptized 7 May 1626 daughter of John and Marie Pinkombe. Anthony was baptized 3 Apr 1629 son of John and Mary Pinkombe. A John Pincombe was buried 1 Dec 1647 at Roborough and his will was probated 1647 with place mentioned as Roborough.

More work is needed on this chart to verify the entries and add new information.

The acknowledgements for this chart are found in the upper left hand corner mentioning the name of one individual who has provided information to the original researchers.

These tables represent many years of work at the record offices by the two original Pincombe-Pinkham family researchers and Richard Pinkham was a physician and able to make contact with some of the Pincombe families living in Devon. The names seen on these charts usually in the top corners are individuals who provided information for that particular chart. In the case of charts from the United States, Galen Pinkham has contributed a great deal of information to the descendants of the Pincombe/Pinkham family and this information can be found on the charts which he produced. I do remind other researchers that there are discrepancies in these charts and I would appreciate knowing of any that you may find so that eventually a corrected chart will be published.

2.   Will of Temperance Pincombe

Source: Prerogative Court of Canterbury Will held at Kew

Place: South Molton, Devon, England

Dated: 7 Mar 1636 and probated 15 Jun 1637

1       In the name of God Amen the Seaventh day of March

2       in the yeare of our Lord God one Thousand sixe hundrede thirtie sixe I Temperance

3       Pincombe of South Molton in the Countie of Devon widdow being sick of body but of perfect

4       remembrance thanks be to Almighty God doe make this my last will and Testament in

5       manner ande forme following that is to saie First I bequeath my soule to Almighty God my

6       maker and Redeemer trusting by the meritts and mercies of Jesus Christ to obteyne everlasting

7       bliss in the world to come And my body in hope of a glorious resurrection I comitt unto

8       Christian buriall in the Church of Southmolton aforesaid Item I give unto Mr. John Corin

9       Twentie shillings and I give towardes the repara[t]ion of the Church of Southmolton Tenne

10     shillings Item I give to the poore people of Southmolton foure poundes to be distributed

11     amongest them on the day of my buriall Item I give unto William Pincombe my sonne

12     and Bridgett Pincombe my daughter in lawe fortie poundes And unto Elizabeth Pincombe

13     Bridgett Pincombe and Temperance Pincombe my Grandchildren severallie twentie poundes and

14     one payre of sheets a peece to be paid unto them by my executor hereafter named and by him to be

15     employed for them till it shall please god that they be maryed or doe accomplishe the age of one and

16     twentie yeares And if either of them shall dye before that tyme then such her por[t]ion shall

17     remayne amongest the rest that shall survive Item I give unto Alice Pollard my kinswoman

18     Fourtie shillings unto Sara the daughter of Johane Hill Tenne shillings and one sheepe, unto

19     Samuell Tucker and his three daughters fortie shillings to be devided equally amongest them

20     unto Elizabeth the daughter of Mr John Coren Tenne shillings unto Susan Morrell Twentie

21     shillings unto her sonne John Morrell Tenne shillings unto Grace Rashley twentie shillings unto

22     Temperance Rashley Twentie shillings and one sheepe and unto Katherine Rashleigh Tenne shillings

23     Item I give unto Elizabeth Bidgood my servant Tenne shillings unto Baldwin Wilce Twentie

24     shillings unto Johane the wife of Humfrey Buckingham Twentie shillings unto Mary Hill

25     Twentie shillings unto Johane Thorne fortie shillings unto Christian Mogford my servant

26     Tenne shillings and unto Nicholas Hunt Tenne shillings The rest of all my goodes & chattells

27     not before given I give and bequeath unto William Pincombe my Grandchild And I make

28     him my whole and sole executor of this my last will and Testament And my intent is that

29     my said sonne William Pincombe shall have the whole managing of my estate for the good

30     of my executor And I desire Henry Worth Es[quir]e Mr. John Worth and Mr. Christopher

31     Rashley to see this my last will performed and to that end I make them my Overseers; In

32     witnes, whereof I have hereunto sett my hande and seale. Signed d[__]ie Temperance

33     Pincombe [signed] Signed and sealed in the presence of Christopher Rashleigh [signed] Bald[wi]n Wilce [signed]

34     Anne Badcock [signed]

35     Decimo quinto die Mensis Junij Anno domini Millesimo Sexcentesimo

36     tricesimo septimo ______ Commissio Will Pincombe senior patri legitime Willimi

37     Pincombe Junioris executoris in Testamentum die defuncte nominat Administrand bona jura

38     et Credita eiusdem defuncte iuxta tenorem et effectum testament hmoi duran minor etate

39     Willm Pincomb executoris ____ de bene et fideliter administrand eadem ad sancta dei

40     Evangelis coram Magistro Johanne Fisher Clerico vigore Commissionis in __parte als _____ jurat

Temperance Pincombe was the wife of William Pincombe and this line appears on the North Molton – South Molton Chart (Chart 1-2). This William is said to be the son of William Pyncombe and Margaret Gregorye who married 26 Nov 1564 at Nouth Molton. This William Pincombe (married to Margaret Gregorye) being born circa 1540 and living at North Molton. The father of this William Pincombe is said to be William Pyncombe married to _____ Snowe and they lived at East Buckland (and North Molton). One generation back William was said to be the son of Thomas Pincombe who lived at Filleigh and North Molton. Temperance was the daughter of Hugh Pollard and this line appears on the Visitation of Devon 1620 (copy included in this newsletter). 

The Thomas Pincombe mentioned is, I believe, married to Johane (unknown) who left her will in 1563 (he appears to have left a will in 1544 which was destroyed during the bombing of the Exeter Record Office (World War II) and this will was written up in Volume 1 Issue 1 of the newsletter). The Visitation does have one of the sons of Thomas named William and married to the daughter of ____ Snowe of Anstey, Devon. There are three sons listed for this couple on the Visitation: William, John and Richard. William was married to Temperance Pollard and the exact transcription of the Visitation follows for the portion dealing with the testator and her husband:

William Pyncombe of Southmolton and of East Buckland in Devon, and Coroner of the same Countie 14 or 15 years together, aet 54, 1620. Will 28 June, pro 17 Dec 1625 P.C.C. (Clarke 138)

Temperance da. Of Hugh Pollard, 1 son of Robert Pollard, Esq, brother to Sr. Hugh Pollard, Kt., both sonnes to Sr Lewis Pollard, Kt., the Judge. Extrix of her husband’s will. Will; 7 Mar 1636-37, pro. 15 June 1637. P.C.C. (Goare 94)

Richard the brother of Temperance Pincombe’s husband is my ancestor. 

William, if he was 54 in 1620, would have been born circa 1566. His grandmother, Johane Pencombe, in her will of 1563 does not mention that her son William is married but does mention that her sons Richard and John are married and that they have children. The birth of this William son of Johane’s son William after her death fits in with the will.

3.   Autosomal DNA Study

I continue to have new matches with autosomal DNA with my many Pincombe cousins. The autosomal matches are now taking me back to the late 1600s and I am working through a particular Pincombe line which is matched by one of my cousins to determine if the common ancestors for this particular match are John Pincombe and Johane Blackmore. Unfortunately it is not possible to share autosomal results online and still maintain privacy for the individuals in the various studies. 

I am still not yet ready to discuss the yDNA Pincombe-Pinkham family study.

4.   North Molton Parish Records (Part 9)

These baptismal records are transcribed from the fiche of the original Parish Records for North Molton, Devon. I have changed the orientation of the newsletter to make it easier to publish the transcriptions for North Molton directly from my Excel file. The number at the beginning of each new line of information is from my Excel file so that I can sort and resort back into the original order.

      #         Surname      Forename          status        Fathers surname Fathers forename Mothers surname Mothers forename Year Month Day Details

1900 Hobbs        Elizabeth   daughter   Hobbs        Phillipe      Anne   1619        May          6                          

1901 Stote          Joahn        daughter   Stote John                             1619 Jun   9                                     

1902 Pasmoore Katheryne daughter   Pasmoore Henrye                          1619 Jun          13                       

1903 Balmante  Joahn        daughter   Balmante  Thomas                        1619 Jun          13                       

1904 Balmant     John son   Balmant     Charells                        1619 Jun   20                                 

1905 Thorne       Johane      daughter   Thorne       John          Elizabeth   1619 Jun          26              

1906 Vicarie       John son   Vicarie       John          Emott         1619 July  19                                                                                                              

1907 Elsworthie John son   Elsworthie William                Ellyne        1619 Sep   19                            

1908 Kingsland  Richard      son   Kingsland  Charells              Marye        1619 Sep          21              

1909 Gould         Agnis         daughter   Gould         John          Agnis         1619 Nov          7                

1910 Warde        Henrie        son   Warde        William                Anne 1619 Nov   30                            

1911 Burgis        Joahn        daughter   Burgis        Anthonye            Luce 1619 Dec          5                

1912 Blake         Siblye        daughter   Blake         John          Syblie        1619 Dec          10              

1913 Tucker       Maria         daughter   Tucker       William                Joahn          1619 Dec   19    

1914 Thorne       Thomas     son   Thorne       Thomas               Christian   1619 Jan          24              

1915 Widlake     Marye        daughter   Widlake     John          Barbara     1619 Jan          30              

1916 Hanford     Richard      son   Hanford     Richard               Elizabeth   1619 Jan          31              

1917 Hunte         William       son   Hunte         John          Marye        1619 Feb   2                            

1918 Nicholas    Thomas     son   Nicholas    William                Peternell   1619 Feb          9                

1919 Thorne       John son   Thorne       thomas                Alice 1619 Feb   20                                 

1920 Thorne       Janne        daughter   Thorne       Christopher                  Joahn          1619 Feb   23

1921 Nott  Katherine  daughter   Nott  William                Katherine  1619 Feb   27                                                                                                                  

1922 Tapp Francis      daughter   Tapp Michaell              Prissilla     1619 Feb   27                            

1923 Shapland   Johane      daughter   Shapland   Christopher                  Elizabeth          1619 Mar   12

1924 Thorne       William       son   Thorne       John          Emott         1619 Mar   19                            

1925 Sladder      Johan        daughter   Sladder      Michaell              Johan          1620 Mar   25    

1926 Smyth        Henrye       son   Smyth        Thomas               Tamosyne 1620 Mar          25    

1927 Hobbs        Susan        base daughter                       Hobbs        Luce 1620 Apr          1                

1928 Mole Henrye       son   Mole William                Ellyne        1620 Apr    19                                 

1929 Treble        Elizabeth   daughter   Treble        Thomas               Janne          1620 Apr    23    

1930 Thorne       Susan        daughter   Thorne       John          Johan        1620 Apr          23              

1931 Pedricke   Samuell     son   Pedricke   Richard               Willmott     1620 May          7                

1932 Locke        Thomas     son   Locke        Henrye                Johan        1620 May          21              

1933 Radlye       John son   Radlye       John          Jane 1620 May  25                                           

1934 Westerne  Tamosyne daughter   Westerne  Roger                  Katheryne          1620 Jun   16    

1935 Locke        Michaell    son   Locke        George                Elizabeth   1620 Jun          18              

1936 Whiller       Johan        daughter   Whiller       Richard               Johane          1620 July  2      

1937 Smyth        Emlyne      daughter   Smyth        Thomas                        1620 Aug          24              

1938 Reed Faith daughter   Reed Robert                 Marye        1620 Sep   3                                   

1939 Briante      Elias son   Briante      John          Ellyne        1620 Sep   17                                 

1940 Wats John son   Wats John          Wilmote     1620 Sep   20                                                    

1941 Burgis        Johan        daughter   Burgis        John          Johan        1620 Oct          1                

1942 Vicarye      Marye        daughter   Vicarye      John          Eme  1620 Oct   29                            

1943 Kingdon     Joahn        daughter   Kingdon     Phillipe                Wilmote          1620 Nov   6      

1944 Kingdon     Suze daughter   Kingdon     Phillipe                Wilmote     1620 Nov          6                

1945 Gibbs         Englishe    daughter   Gibbs         Henrye                Susan          1620 Nov   6      

1946 Balmand    Joahn        daughter   Balmand    John          Faith 1620 Nov   11                            

1947 Zeale         Joahn        daughter   Zeale         Michaell              Elizabeth          1620 Dec   10    

1948 Badge        Marye        daughter   Badge        John          Susan        1620 Dec          21              

1949 Hobbs        Fortune     daughter   Hobbs        Phillipe                Ane   1620 Jan          8                

1950 Burgis        Margaret   daughter   Burgis        Anthonye            Luce 1620 Jan          19              

1951 Moore        Marye        base daughter                       Moore        Elizabeth          1620 Jan   24    

1952 Huxstable Jane daughter   Huxstable John          Em    1620 Feb   2                                   

1953 Gould         George      son   Gould         Richard               Joahn        1620 Feb          11              

1954 Davye        George      son   Davye        Robert                 Peternell   1620 Feb          11              

1955 Chrispyn    Marye        daughter   Chrispyn    Thomas               Margerye          1620 Feb   13    

1956 Dee   William       son   Dee   John          Joahn        1620 Feb   21                                           

1957 Hobs Jeferye      son   Hobs Andrew               Joahn        1620 Feb   25                                 

1958 Lange        Michaell    son   Lange        Christopher                  Joahn          1620 Mar   14    

1959 Stocke       Grace         daughter   Stocke       Robert                 Agnis          1620 Mar   21    

1960 Vicarye      Agnis         daughter   Vicarye      Englishe              Urith 1620 Mar          24              

1961 Burgis        John son   Burgis        John          Marye        1621 Mar   25                                 

1962 Denins       Edmonde   son   Denins       Edmonde            Grace         1621 Apr          3                

1963 Coale         Samuell     son   Coale         John          Johan        1621 Apr    20                            

1964 Reed John son   Reed William                Christian   1621 Apr    22                                           

1965 Leigh         Roger         son   Leigh         Hugh          Jane 1621 May  10                                 

1966 Frase         William       son   Frase         Edward               Wilmote     1621 May          13              

1967 Greenewaye       Amie daughter   Greenewaye       William                          1621 May  21    

1968 Thorne       William       son   Thorne       William                Anne 1621 May  27                            

1969 Goold         Aymas       base son                       Goold         Marye        1621 Jun          1                

1970 Trotte        Englishe    son   Trotte        Robert                 Grace         1621          July  1                

1971 Elson         Johane      daughter   Elson         Richard               Anne 1621          July  1                

1972 Muxworthie        John base son                       Muxworthie        Marye          1621 July  6      

1973 Tape Charles      base son                       Tape Alice 1621 July  25                                           

1974 Shapland   Grace         daughter   Shapland   William                Johan          1621 Aug   1      

1975 Goold         Margarett  daughter   Goold         John          Agnis         1621 Aug          12              

1976 Mole Beaton       daughter   Mole Anthonye            Fayles        1621 Aug   30                            

1977 Gune Robert       son   Gune Thomas               Urith 1621 Sep   5                                             

1978 Chaunter   John son   Chaunter   Hugh          Luce 1621 Sep   16                                           

1979 Vicarie       Janne                  Vicarie       John          Elizabeth   1621 Oct   3                            

1980 Caucrombe         Elizabeth   daughter   Caucrombe         Roger         Marye          1621 Oct   10

1981 Clatworthe         Grace         daughter   Clatworthe         John          Elizabeth          1621 Dec   2

1982 Squire        George      base son                       Squire        Marye        1621 Dec          14              

1983 Kingsland  William       son   Kingsland  Charells              Marye        1621 Jan          1                

1984 Goold         William       son   Goold         Robert                 Kathereigne          1621 Jan   16    

1985 Radlye       Agnis         daughter   Radlye       Richard               Joahn          1621 Jan   30    

1986 Thorne       Charles      son   Thorne       John          Em    1621 Feb   5                                   

1987 Mills  Edward      son   Mills  Thomas               Johan        1621 Feb   10                                 

1988 Rooke        Johan        daughter   Rooke        Henry                  Johan          1621 Feb   13    

1989 Whiller       Susan                  Whiller       Richard               Johan        1621 Feb          15              

1990 Pasmoore John son   Pasmoore Henry                  Jaccett     1621 Mar   3                            

1991 King  Roger         son   Kine  George                Marye        1621 Mar   8                                   

1992 Kine  Margery     daughter   Kine  George                Marye        1621 Mar   8                            

1993 Clatworthie        Humfrye    son   Clatworthie        Thomas               Emlyn          1621 Mar   10

1994 Balmond    Katheryn   daughter   Balmond    Charles                         1621 Mar          20              

1995 Goold         Frances     son   Goold         John          Marye        1622 Mar   26                            

1996 Jacob        John son   Jacob        John          Johan        1622 Apr    7                                   

1997 Vicary        Margarett  base daughter                       Vicary        Alice 1622 Apr          7                

1998 Moorman   Johan        daughter   Moorman   Richard               Marye          1622 Apr    10    

1999 Hoopper    Simon        son   Hoopper    Robert                           1622 Apr    12                            

2000 Tapp Johan        daughter   Tapp Michaell              Prissilla     1622 Apr    22                            

2001 Sutton       Margarett  daughter   Sutton       Christopher                            1622 Apr    23    

2002 Abbott       Alice daughter   Abbott       Richard               Johan        1622 Apr          28              

2003 Hunt Richard      son   Hunt John          Marye        1622 May  5                                             

2004 Goold         William       son   Goold         Richard               Johan        1622 May          15              

2005 Vicarie       Emett         daughter   Vicarie       John          Emett         1622 Jun          19              

2006 Spencer    Marye        daughter   Spencer    Emanuell            Emett          1622 Aug   3      

2007 Locke        John son   Locke        George                Johan        1622 Aug   23                            

2008 Webber      Robert       son   Webber      Anthonye            Johan        1622 Aug          25              

2009 Widlake     James       son   Widlake     John          Barbara     1622 Aug   28                            

2010 Gaye Francis      son   Gaye Mathew               Tamosyne 1622 Aug   29                                 

2011 Patricke    Joseph      son   Patricke    Richard               Wilmot       1622 Oct          21              

2012 Smyth        Robert       son   Smyth        Thomas               Tamosyne 1622 Nov          5                

2013 Shapland   Edmond     son   Shapland   Christopher                  Marian          1622 Nov   6      

2014 Thorne       Johan        daughter   Thorne       Thomas               Christian          1622 Dec   7      

2015 Locke        Johan        daughter   Locke        John          Johan        1622 Dec          7                

2016 Burgis        John son   Burgis        Anthonye            Luce 1622 Dec   12                                 

2017 Praunce    Michaell    son   Praunce    John          Margerye   1622 Dec   16                            

2018 Reed William       son   Reed Robert                 Marye        1622 Jan   16                                 

2019 Vicarye      Johan        daughter   Vicarye      Englishe              Urith 1622 Jan          22              

2020 Takell        Francis      son   Takell        Arthour                Janne        1622 Feb          2                

2021 Zayle         Michaell    son   Zayle         Michaell              Elizabeth   1622 Feb          19              

2022 Kingdon     John son   Kingdon     Phillipe                Wilmott      1622 Feb   21                            

2023 Kingdon     Allis  daughter   Kingdon     Phillipe                Wilmott      1622 Feb          21              

2024 Gune Robert       son   Gune Thomas               Urith 1622 Feb   25                                           

2025 Balmand    John son   Balmand    John          Fayth         1622 Mar   2                                   

2026 Shapland   John son   Shapland   William                Johan        1622 Mar   5                            

2027 Huxstable Thomas     son   Huxstable John          Emott         1623 Mar   28                            

2028 Heathston John son   Heathston Walter                 Elline         1623 Apr    1                            

2029 Hobbs        Roger         son   Hobbs        Andrew               Johan        1623 Apr          3                

2030 Dee   Nicholas    son   Dee   John          Johan        1623 Apr    17                                           

2031 Doone        An     daughter   Doone        James                 Marye        1623 Apr          23              

2032 Radlye       Johan        daughter   Radlye       John          Jane 1623 May  1                            

2033 Stote John son   Stote John          Susan        1623 May  25                                                    

2034 Elsworthie Christopher        son   Elsworthie William                Ellinor          1623 Jun   1      

2035 Chrispine   Margarett  daughter   Chrispine   Thomas               Margerie          1623 Jun   20    

2036 Thorne       Johan        daughter   Thorne       Christopher                  Johan          1623 July  7

2037 Mole Susan        daughter   Mole Anthonye            Files 1623 Aug   7                                   

2038 Goold         Johan        daughter   Goold         Robert                 Katheryne          1623 Aug   7      

2039 Slader        Michaell    son   Slader        Michaell              Johan        1623 Sep          17              

2040 Slader        Peter son   Slader        Michaell              Johan        1623 Sep   17                            

2041 Locke        Elizabeth   daughter   Locke        Henrie                 Prudence          1623 Oct   19    

2042 Treble        Thomas     son   Treble        Thomas               Jane 1623 July  2                            

2043 Lange        Katherine  daughter   Lange        Christopher                  Johan          1623 Nov   23

2044 Dee   John son   Dee   John          Elisabeth   1623 Nov   30                                                    

2045 Reed John son   Reed William                Christian   1623 Dec   21                                           

2046 Locke        Rebecca    daughter   Locke        George                Johan          1623 Jan   1      

2047 Denis         Christopher        son   Denis         Edmonde            Grace          1623 Jan   18    

2048 Elson         John son   Elson         Richard               An     1623 Feb   4                                   

2049 Thorne       Johan        daughter   Thorne       William                An     1623 Feb          4                

2050 Goold         John son   Goold         John          Agnis         1623 Feb   15                                 

2051 Shatticke  Jonathan  son   Shatticke  John           Elizabeth   1623 Feb   25                            

2052 Muxworthie        John son   Muxworthie        William                Susan          1623 Mar   7      

2053 Francis      Thomas     son   Francis      William                Christian   1623 Mar          21              

2054 Abbott       Elizabeth   daughter   Abbott       Richard               Johan          1624 Apr    11    

2055 Thorne       John son   Thorne       William                 Tamosyne 1624 Apr    11                            

2056 Kingsland  William       son   Kingsland  Charles               Marye        1624 Apr          11              

2057 Locke        William       son   Locke        John          Johan        1624 Apr    25                            

2058 Nicholas    John son   Nicholas    William                Peternell   1624 Apr    26                            

2059 Nodle         Katherine  daughter   Nodle         Robert                 Katherine          1624 Apr    28    

2060 Thorne       John son   Thorne       Charles               Johan        1624 May  17                            

2061 Thorne       Luce daughter   Thorne       John          Em    1624 May  30                                 

2062 Burgis        Michaell    son   Burgis        John          Mary 1624 Jun   6                                   

2063 Shattocke Daniell                                              Eyllene      1624 Jun   13                                 

2064 Cowcrome John son   Cowcrome Roger                  Mary 1624 Jun   20                                 

2065 Hunt Grace         daughter   Hunt Smarte                Katherine  1624 Jun   20                            

2066 Hobbs        Susan        daughter   Hobbs        Phillipe                An     1624 Jun          24              

2067 Zeale         John son   Zeale         John          Katherine  1624 July  25                                 

2068 Gould         Katherine  daughter   Gould         William                Elizabeth          1624 Aug   1      

2069 Burgis        English      son   Burgis        John          Johan        1624 Aug   22                            

2070 Sanacot alias Vicarye William son Sanacot alias Vicary Charles          Katherine  1624 Aug   22

2071 Dew alias Pedrieke    Joan daughter   Dew alias Pedrieke    Richard Wilmote 1624 Sep       3

2072 Tapp John son   Tapp Roger                  Margarett  1624 Sep   5                                             

2073 Vicarye alias Pulham John son   Vicarye alias Pulham John          Elizabeth          1624 Sep   5

2074 Thorne       William       son   Thorne       John          Beaton       1624 Sep   26                            

2075 Radlye       George      son   Radlye       Richard               Elizabeth   1624 Sep          26              

2076 Braye         John son   Braye         John          Em    1624 Oct   24                                           

2077 Doly  William       base son                       Doly  Ellin  1624 Nov   12                                           

2078 Thorne       Michaell    son   Thorne       John          Grace         1624 Dec   15                            

2079 Whiller       John son   Whiller       Richard               Joane        1624 Dec   21                            

2080 Cotthie      Katherin    daughter   Cotthie      William                Darithie          1624 Dec   25    

2081 Dee   Richard      son   Dee   John          Elizabeth   1624 Jan   1                          

2082 Harris         Ellyn daughter   Harris         John          Beaton       1624 Jan   7         

2083 Goer William       son   Goer John          Temperance      1624 Jan   13              

2084 Pasmore    Henrie        son   Pasmore    Henrie                 Jackett     1624 Jan          13              

2085 Kingdon     John son   Kingdon     Phillipe                Siblye        1624 Jan   24                            

2086 Fisher        Samuell     son   Fisher        Hugh          Grace         1624 Jan   27                            

2087 Lawdye     John son   Lawdye     John          Marie         1624 Jan   29                                 

2088 Mole William       son   Mole Anthonye            Files 1624 Feb   10                                           

2089 Zeale         Ellin  daughter   Zeale         Michaell              Elizabeth   1624 Feb          17              

2090 Harbert      Marie         daughter   Harbert      Edmonde            Margarett          1624 Feb   18    

2091 Thorne       An     daughter   Thorne       John          Joan 1624 Feb   27                                 

2092 Davye        Michaell    son   Davye        George                Marie         1624 Mar          9                

2093 Chaunter   Hugh son   Chaunter   Hugh          Luce 1624 Mar   13                                           

2094 Shapland   Francis      daughter   Shapland   Christopher                  Marian          1624 Mar   20

2095 Huxstable Richard      son   Huxstable John                    1624 Mar   21                                 

2096 Tape Michaell    son   Tape Michaell              Prissilla     1625 Apr    3                

2097 Jacob        Dorithie     daughter   Jacob        John          Joan 1625 May  1         

2098 Dee   Richard      son   Dee   John          Joan 1625 May  8                                    

2099 Hobbs        Elizabeth   daughter   Hobbs        Andrew               Joan 1625 May          15              

2100 Balmood    William       son   Balmood    Charles               Margarett  1625 Jun          17              

2101 Zeal  e       Elizabeth   daughter   Zeale         Michaell              Elizabeth          1625 July  17    

2102 Reed John son   Reed Robert                 Marye        1625 July  23                                           

2103 Dee   James       son   Dee   John          Elizabeth   1625 July  23                                           

2104 Widlake     Gartred      daughter   Widlake     John          Barbara     1625 Aug          21              

2105 Basse        Anthonie   son   Basse        George                          1625 Aug   28                            

2106 Westcott   Henrie        son   Westcott   Hugh          Katherine  1625 Sep   9                            

2107 Kingdon     John son   Kingdon     Samuell               Katherine  1625 Sep   11                            

2108 Morrishe    John son   Morrishe    John          Katherine  1625 Sep   18                                 

2109 Smyth        Joan daughter   Smyth        Thomas               Joan 1625 Sep   18                            

2110 Smyth        Elizabeth   daughter   Smyth        Thomas               Joan 1625 Sep          18              

2111 Balmand    Marie         daughter   Balmand    John          Faith 1625 Sep   25                            

2112 Shatticke  Temperance      base daughter                       Shatticke  Elizabeth          1625 Oct  

2113 Shustor     An     daughter   Shustor     Christopher                  Margerie          1625 Oct   9      

2114 Vicarie       Wilmott      daughter   Vicarie       Englishe              Erith 1625 Nov          4                

2115 Gune Susan        daughter   Gune Thomas               Ereth 1625 Nov   23                                 

2116 Shapland   Jone daughter   Shapland   William                Jone 1625 Dec   2                            

2117 Heatyen    Jone daughter   Heatyen    Walter                 Ellinor        1625 Dec          7                

2118 Vicarie       John son   Vicarie       John          Em    1625 Dec   11                        

2119 Fisher        Marie         daughter   Fisher        Hugh          Grace         1625 Jan          1      

2120 Mole John son   Mole Anthonye            Fillies         1625 Feb   11                                           

2121 Hobbs        Jone base daughter                       Hobbs        Jone 1625 Feb   23                            

2122 Huxstable Phillipe      son   Huxstable John          Emott         1625 Feb   26                            

2123 Tucker       Joane        daughter   Tucker       William                Joan 1625 Mar          3                

2124 Blake         An     daughter   Blake         William                Agnis         1625 Mar          5                

2125 Reed John son   Reed William                Christian   1626 Mar   26                                           

2126 Thorne       John son   Thorne       Thomas               Alice 1626 Mar   26                                 

2127 Elson         William       son   Elson         Richard               Anne 1626 Apr    16         

2128 Muxworthie        Joan daughter   Muxworthie        John          Alice 1626 Apr          14    

2129 Rooke        Uraleth      son   Rooke        Henrie                 Christian   1626 May          18              

2130 Buckingham       John son   Buckingham       William                Anne 1626 May          28              

2131 Kingdon     John son   Kingdon     Richard               Elizabeth   1626 Jun   2                            

2132 Gould         John son   Gould         Robert                 Katheryne 1626 Jun   11                            

2133 Shapland   Elizabeth   base daughter                       Shapland   Marie          1626 Jun   17    

2134 Vicarie       Agnes        daughter   Vicarie       Englishe              Treth 1626          July  18              

2135 Abbott       Jonathan  son   Abbott       Richard               Joan 1626 July  23                            

2136 Cotthie      Joan daughter   Cotthie      William                Darithie     1626          July  25              

2137 Thorne       Thomas     son   Thorne       John          Emott         1626 July  25         

2138 Zeale         John son   Zeale         Gregorie              Jane 1626 Sep   6                                   

2139 Tape Agnes        daughter   Tape Roger                  Margarett  1626 Sep   23                            

2140 Thorne       Thomas     son   Thorne       John          Grace         1626 Oct   1                            

2141 Burgis        Elizabeth   daughter   Burgis        John          Margerie    1626 Oct          11              

2142 Shapland   Joan daughter   Shapland   George                Elizabeth   1626 Oct          15              

2143 Treble        Anthonye  son   Treble        Thomas               Jane 1626 Oct   15                            

2144 Westcott   William       son   Westcott   Hugh          Katheryne 1626 Oct   22                            

2145 Kingsland  Charles      son   Kingsland  Charles               Marie         1626 Oct          28              

2146 Crampe      John son   Crampe      John          Anne 1626 Oct   29                        

2147 Lange        Ellyn daughter   Lange        Christopher                  Joan 1626 Nov          5                

2148 Myles         Ann   daughter   Myles         Thomas               Joan 1626 Nov   19                            

2149 Myles         Syslye        daughter   Myles         Thomas               Joan 1626 Nov          19              

2150 _eter John son   _eter Henrie                 Nell   1626 Nov   28     Row 3 Print 4                            

2151 Pulham      Henrie        son   Pulham      John          Elizabeth   1626 Nov   30                            

2152 Locke        John son   Locke        George                Joan 1626 Dec   6                                   

2153 Shatticke  Christian   daughter   Shatticke  John          Elizabeth   1626 Dec          10              

2154 Goold         Joan daughter   Goold         Robert                 Katherine  1626 Dec          16    

2155 Gould         Phillipe      son   Gould         John          Agnis         1626 Dec   17         

2156 Hopper      Marie         daughter   Hopper      Michaell              Agnes          1626 Dec   21     Agnes now wife of John Blackmore but married earlier to Michaell Hopper,                           

2157 Eames       Elizabeth   daughter   Eames       John          Amye         1626 Dec          26              

2158 Vicarie       Henrie        son   Vicarie       John          Emott         1626 Jan   5                            

2159 Braye         Nicholas    son   Braye         John          Em    1626 Jan   14                                 

2160 Shapland   John son   Shapland   Christopher                  Marian       1626 Jan          14    

2161 Morrishe    John son   Morrishe    John          Katherin    1626 Jan   21                                 

2162 N_____         John son   N______       Robert                 Katherine  1626 Jan   28                            

2163 Thorne       Luce daughter   Thorne       John          Joan 1626 Jan   28                                 

2164 Hayman alias Hooper Robert       son   Hayman alias Hooper Robert          Joan 1626 Feb   7

2165 Radlye       Samuell     son   Radlye       John          Jane 1626 Feb   25                                 

2166 Greenslad Joan daughter   Greenslad Christopher                  Rose 1626 Mar          4      

2167 Davye        Christian   daughter   Davye        Robert                 Elnor 1626 Mar          11    

2168 Goold         Richard      son   Goold         William                Elizabeth   1627 Mar          25              

2169 Thorne       William       son   Thorne       Thomas               Alice 1627 Mar   31                            

2170 Heathson  Agnes        daughter   Heathson  Walter                 Ellin  1627 Apr          1                

2171 Jacobbe    Emott         daughter   Jacobbe    John          Joan 1627 Apr    20                            

2172 Tape Thomas     son   Tape Michaell              Prisilla       1627 May  1                                   

2173 Burgis        Ann   daughter   Burgis        John          Joan 1627 May  6                                   

2174 Grove         John son   Grove         Edward               Joan 1627 May  13                                 

2175 Locke        Agnes        daughter   Locke        Trustram             Elizabeth          1627 May  20    

2176 Cawcrome Roger         son   Cawcrome Roger                  Marye        1627 Jun          10              

2177 Furse         Joan daughter   Furse         Henrie                 Joan 1627 July  5                            

2178 Burgis        Marie         daughter   Burgis        John          Joane        1627 Aug          5                

2179 Thorne       William       son   Thorne       William                Tamasyn   1627 Sep          12              

2180 Shapland   Christopher        son   Shapland   Phillipe                Anstice          1627 Oct   7      

2181 Foster        Deborah    base daughter                       Foster        Joan 1627 Oct          26              

2182 Pedricke   Englishe    son   Pedricke   Richard               Wilmot       1627 Nov          1                

2183 Kingdon     William       son   Kingdon     Phillipe                Siblye        1627 Nov          14              

2184 Stote Darithie     daughter   Stote Abraham                       1627 Nov   16                                 

2185 Reed William       son   Reed William                Christian   1628 Apr    15                                 

2186 Handcocke         Joan daughter   Handcocke         George                Margarett  1628 Apr    27

2187 Blake         William       son   Blake         William                Agnis         1628 Apr          27              

2188 Widlake     Joan daughter   Widlake     John          Barbara     1628 May  7                            

2189 Mole William       son   Mole William                Nell   1628 May  11                                           

2190 Shapland   Margarett  daughter   Shapland   Christopher                  Marian          1628 May  18

2191 Vicarye Susan daughter Vicarye Michaell    Margarett 628 Jun   8      

2192 Dee   Joan daughter   Dee   John     Joan 1628 Jun  15                         

               

2193 Shapland   Elizabeth   daughter   Shapland   William  Joan 1628 Aug          17              

2194 Tape Phillipe      son   Tape Michaell      Prissilla     1628 Aug   23                                 

2195 Balmond    Em    daughter   Balmond    Charles       28 Aug   31 

                     

2196 Chaunter   Joan daughter   Chaunter   Hugh  Luce 1628 Sep   12    

                             

2197 Moxorthe  Ellen daughter   Moxorthe  John     Alice 1628 Oct   12   

                                        

2198 Vicarie  John son   Vicarie   Englesh    Youreth  1628 Oct 26  

                                                                                                                                                                                                                

Any material which you may wish to submit for the next issue of the newsletter (1^st December 2018) concerning the Pincombe/Pinkham family needs to be submitted by the 15^th of November 2018 and can be sent to:

Elizabeth Kipp (Editor)

kippeeb@rogers.com