I completed my proof of Martha Pearce including naming her mother as Grace Hobbs. I will need to learn more about Grace Hobbs when I start proving the 5x great grandparents but this will be one of my pursuits when next we go to Salt Lake City.
A very interesting lecture at the OGS meeting last evening. Dr. Seely was speaking about Family Reconstruction. It is a subject that I use a great deal in Genealogy but her approach is to look at each individual and give them three characteristics if you are able to do that. Since I have learned a great deal about my great grandparents as a child I think I will be able to do that and even further back for a couple. I am certainly lucky to have had such chatty grandparents. They were both very happy people - my paternal grandfather and my maternal grandmother. I do not actually think they were overly fond of each other but I loved them both dearly. Although my grandmother always said I didn't love her until my grandfather died. That may be true but he did live with us and I saw him daily for a good part of my young life.
He loved to sit and talk about Hampshire and his early life by the time I knew him. Since he was 70 when I was born and nearly 79 when he died this was a short time for me but filled with day after day of discovery. We used to watch the clouds go by over the backyard after he finished gardening and it was he who encouraged my imagination to see all sorts of things in the big fluffy clouds. It was the wonderful time of childhood when responsibilities are a long way into the future. I am glad that he repeated his stories many many times because I was so young.
Last evening the lecturer encouraged us to close our eyes and bring in a memory although she was perhaps thinking of a not so pleasant memory I decided to go for that pleasant memory of being totally loved by a grandparent. I was thinking initially of the love that shone from my husband's mother's eyes when she was with our daughters. She enjoyed them completely when she was staying with us. I let that permeate my being and then I let my mind drift back to my own childhood where I could feel that love from my grandfather's eyes as he sat and talked to me or we went for a long walk. Last night I was remembering how he used to quote the names of his ancestors and he always started with my name (I think he wanted me to remember very badly). All of his papers were destroyed when he died except for one small packed that I have which included pictures and a few other items but nothing about his family tree. I wish he had constructed one but it was in his mind and he was passing it to me. As it turned out I was able to remember back to Joseph who came from Andover and a jumble of names before that with Thomas, William, John and Nicholas. I forgot Richard over time but remembering Nicholas was important. He died at Old House and my father had also said that through the years so when I found Nicholas and that he died at Old House I knew that I had found the right trail. It was a slow one though.
My next group to work on will be the Rew/Moggridge/Sidderfin/Kent families. I have not accomplished as much as I thought that I would because we are re-organizing. It will be good to have it all done and there is cleaning thrown in with that :)
Wednesday, November 18, 2009
Sunday, November 15, 2009
The Pearce Family
Today I worked on the Pearce family of South Molton, Devon. I extracted all the Pearce entries from the IGI and built a table with names of fathers across the top and in columns under the names I entered the male children born to the forename from the earliest register to the 1730s. I then organized the births into ten year intervals and blocked family groups and redid the chart. I then drew family charts and found that there were nine males who were fathers of children born between 1600 and 1630 and labeled them as A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, and I. I was able to enter all but three sets of information into these nine heads of families except for determining the children of three Johns born 1629, 1636, and 1638. As it turned out this was less of a problem once I started looking at potential fathers for my John baptized between 1655 and 1665.
The other problem I was trying to solve is the marriage of my Philip Pearse (b 1703). There were two possibilities for the mother of my Martha Pearse. It is logical to choose Grace Hobbs because of the naming of the children and the age of the groom. Philip would have been only 20 years old at the first marriage and it would have been a second marriage for the other Philip. The name Philip was used three times until the last child survived. The burial of the first wife is, I think, in the burial register. It is difficult to read. I wonder if I can link the heads of families together into families but that will be a project for later when I get back further in time.
I know that Philip's father is John and that his mother was Martha Gwythers. The father of this John becomes the problem area - a patron entry on the IGI suggests that his father was Robert and that fits ideally into one of the family trees that I created. This would be John baptized 14 Apr 1660 at South Molton and the son of Robert Pearce from the Parish Register Transcription. This Robert was baptized Mar 1631 and his father was Robert baptized 25 Jun 1602 and the son of John Pearse (one of my founders in my chart). This is the largest family chart and the sons of the first John are: Robert, George, William, Thomas and Philip. The names George, William and Philip are used a great deal in my family lines later.
I extracted all the Pearse members from the South Molton Protestation Returns. I am able to fit all of them into family groupings except the four Johns.
Pearse Alexander
Pearse Christopher Sen
Pearse Christopher Jun
Pearse George
Pearse Henry
Pearse Humphrey
Pearse John Sen
Pearse John
Pearse John
Pearse John
Pearse Oliver
Pearse Philip
Pearse Philip
Pearse Simon
Pearse William
Marriages in the International Genealogical Index (IGI)
18 Oct 1628 Pearse Christofer Walron Mary
4 May 1720 Pearse Christopher Dunning Mary
22 Oct 1721 Pearse Christopher Tapscott Hannah
9 Sep 1658 Pearce Henry Shopland Emmott
29 Oct 1623 Pearse Hugh Sheerland Marye
10 Nov 1604 Pearce John Moore Peternell
15 Jan 1619 Pearce John Huctstable Agnes
1 Oct 1627 Pearse John Cannyforde Jane
15 Jan 1628 Pearse John Kinge Maude
19 Jun 1638 Pierce John Cole Rebecca
30 Jan 1670 Pearse John Woollocot Joane
9 May 1686 Pearce John Gwythers Martha
9 Feb 1723 Pearse Philip Parramore Joan
7 Apr 1728 Pearse Philip Hobbs Grace
27 Oct 1712 Pearse Phillip Turner Grace
14 Oct 1632 Pearse Robert Beere Christian
23 Aug 1681 Pearse Robert Jess Agnis
18 Sep 1639 Pearce Samuel Carpenter Agnes
20 Jan 1720 Pearse William Harries Joan
No Pearse entries in 1581 Tax Subsidy which is interesting.
Forename Surname Suffix Status Amount
Thomas Hacche ar L 10
William Horwood Gent L 10
Hugh Pollard Gent G 10
Dorothy Clotworthy Wid G 8
Christopher Squyre G 8
Thomas Rashleigh G 7
Joan Carpenter Wid G 5
William Amerye G 7
Robert Cotworthie G 7
John Herneman G 4
George Chaple G 4
Geffry Lawdye G 3
Thomas Allen G 4
Thomas Hobbes G 4
Roger Walshcotte G 3
William Cobleye G 3
William Chapell G 8
Richard Paynter G 3
Christopher Pincombe G 4
John Snowe G 3
Robert Hoyell G 6
John Pincombe G 4
Hugh Chapington G 3
John Haywodde G 3
William Rashley G 4
Thomas Jennynges G 3
Robert Gun G 3
Anthony Rashleighe G 3
Hugh Badcocke G 4
John Lock G 3
Thomas Brooke G 3
Maculin Bulkworthie G 3
John Pincombe Jun G 3
William Maye G 4
Gabriel Webber G 3
Thomas Griffin G 3
John Shapton G 3
John Takle L 1
Agnes Bonde Wid L 1
Grace Hunt Wid L 1
Anthony Clatworthie G 12
John Pincombe Sen G 12
John Pawle G 7
Roger Webber G 6
John Sherland G 8
Nicholas Chappie G 4
Thomas Harrys G 5
John Tamse G 3
William Huton Alien
Thomas Gun G 3
Tomorrow I will prove Martha Pearse as I now have enough information and then move on to the next couple of 4x great grandparents. This is going much slower than I thought that it would. I want to spend only my mornings on genealogy once I have got all this information entered for the 4x great grandparents and sew or do other needlework the other half of the day.
Took the two gift bags into Church this morning in a rush since we are really going to be busy and I did not wish to miss the deadline of December 7. When I arrived I suddenly realized I had forgotten to write on the tags that they were for a man medium and a woman medium. I had to buy a second bag and it was a little bit smaller so didn't know what they would want to do. I probably should give up trying to do some of these things as it makes for extra work for committee members. I find rushing since I injured my shoulder is always a bad idea. Yesterday was too full a day.
The other problem I was trying to solve is the marriage of my Philip Pearse (b 1703). There were two possibilities for the mother of my Martha Pearse. It is logical to choose Grace Hobbs because of the naming of the children and the age of the groom. Philip would have been only 20 years old at the first marriage and it would have been a second marriage for the other Philip. The name Philip was used three times until the last child survived. The burial of the first wife is, I think, in the burial register. It is difficult to read. I wonder if I can link the heads of families together into families but that will be a project for later when I get back further in time.
I know that Philip's father is John and that his mother was Martha Gwythers. The father of this John becomes the problem area - a patron entry on the IGI suggests that his father was Robert and that fits ideally into one of the family trees that I created. This would be John baptized 14 Apr 1660 at South Molton and the son of Robert Pearce from the Parish Register Transcription. This Robert was baptized Mar 1631 and his father was Robert baptized 25 Jun 1602 and the son of John Pearse (one of my founders in my chart). This is the largest family chart and the sons of the first John are: Robert, George, William, Thomas and Philip. The names George, William and Philip are used a great deal in my family lines later.
I extracted all the Pearse members from the South Molton Protestation Returns. I am able to fit all of them into family groupings except the four Johns.
Pearse Alexander
Pearse Christopher Sen
Pearse Christopher Jun
Pearse George
Pearse Henry
Pearse Humphrey
Pearse John Sen
Pearse John
Pearse John
Pearse John
Pearse Oliver
Pearse Philip
Pearse Philip
Pearse Simon
Pearse William
Marriages in the International Genealogical Index (IGI)
18 Oct 1628 Pearse Christofer Walron Mary
4 May 1720 Pearse Christopher Dunning Mary
22 Oct 1721 Pearse Christopher Tapscott Hannah
9 Sep 1658 Pearce Henry Shopland Emmott
29 Oct 1623 Pearse Hugh Sheerland Marye
10 Nov 1604 Pearce John Moore Peternell
15 Jan 1619 Pearce John Huctstable Agnes
1 Oct 1627 Pearse John Cannyforde Jane
15 Jan 1628 Pearse John Kinge Maude
19 Jun 1638 Pierce John Cole Rebecca
30 Jan 1670 Pearse John Woollocot Joane
9 May 1686 Pearce John Gwythers Martha
9 Feb 1723 Pearse Philip Parramore Joan
7 Apr 1728 Pearse Philip Hobbs Grace
27 Oct 1712 Pearse Phillip Turner Grace
14 Oct 1632 Pearse Robert Beere Christian
23 Aug 1681 Pearse Robert Jess Agnis
18 Sep 1639 Pearce Samuel Carpenter Agnes
20 Jan 1720 Pearse William Harries Joan
No Pearse entries in 1581 Tax Subsidy which is interesting.
Forename Surname Suffix Status Amount
Thomas Hacche ar L 10
William Horwood Gent L 10
Hugh Pollard Gent G 10
Dorothy Clotworthy Wid G 8
Christopher Squyre G 8
Thomas Rashleigh G 7
Joan Carpenter Wid G 5
William Amerye G 7
Robert Cotworthie G 7
John Herneman G 4
George Chaple G 4
Geffry Lawdye G 3
Thomas Allen G 4
Thomas Hobbes G 4
Roger Walshcotte G 3
William Cobleye G 3
William Chapell G 8
Richard Paynter G 3
Christopher Pincombe G 4
John Snowe G 3
Robert Hoyell G 6
John Pincombe G 4
Hugh Chapington G 3
John Haywodde G 3
William Rashley G 4
Thomas Jennynges G 3
Robert Gun G 3
Anthony Rashleighe G 3
Hugh Badcocke G 4
John Lock G 3
Thomas Brooke G 3
Maculin Bulkworthie G 3
John Pincombe Jun G 3
William Maye G 4
Gabriel Webber G 3
Thomas Griffin G 3
John Shapton G 3
John Takle L 1
Agnes Bonde Wid L 1
Grace Hunt Wid L 1
Anthony Clatworthie G 12
John Pincombe Sen G 12
John Pawle G 7
Roger Webber G 6
John Sherland G 8
Nicholas Chappie G 4
Thomas Harrys G 5
John Tamse G 3
William Huton Alien
Thomas Gun G 3
Tomorrow I will prove Martha Pearse as I now have enough information and then move on to the next couple of 4x great grandparents. This is going much slower than I thought that it would. I want to spend only my mornings on genealogy once I have got all this information entered for the 4x great grandparents and sew or do other needlework the other half of the day.
Took the two gift bags into Church this morning in a rush since we are really going to be busy and I did not wish to miss the deadline of December 7. When I arrived I suddenly realized I had forgotten to write on the tags that they were for a man medium and a woman medium. I had to buy a second bag and it was a little bit smaller so didn't know what they would want to do. I probably should give up trying to do some of these things as it makes for extra work for committee members. I find rushing since I injured my shoulder is always a bad idea. Yesterday was too full a day.
Saturday, November 14, 2009
Proving 4x great grandparents
I spent yesterday proving two of my 4x great grandparents. I had so much information on John Pincombe that it took me ages to enter all of it in to his Legacy file. Not so much on his wife Mary Charley (Charlie). Unfortunately the priest at that time had women sign with their new married name so I have no idea on how Mary would have signed her surname. The Charley family was located at Arlington, Kentisbury near Barnstaple and Combe Martin in this time period. The Hugh Charley at Arlington (wife Mary) is the father of the Mary Charley baptized 21 Sep 1735 and this would be a reasonable age for Mary. I do not yet know the connection between this Hugh Charley and the Charley families at Kentisbury and Combe Martin but they are all less than 10 miles from Barnstaple (Arlington is 6 miles, Kentisbury is 8 miles and Combe Martin is 9 miles). They are all in a northeasterly direction from Barnstaple (Bishops Nympton is 14 miles from Bishops Nympton). I have not yet found a Charley family living closer but the priest records that Mary Charley is of the parish (perhaps she was living/staying with a relative). John was 39 when he married and Mary possibly 32 in 1767. They had six children though between 1768 and 1778.
I need to look through all the parish registers to see if I can discover any more information on Mary Charley. She has been my brick wall almost from the very beginning as my mother knew her name from her father. She was my grandfather's grandfather's grandmother. By the time my 2x great grandfather was born both Mary and John had died. His father Robert was 28 when he married and my 2x great grandfather John was 26 when he married. Then my grandfather was 41 when he married thus making quite long generations.
As it turns out all of my grandparents were born in the 1800s - 1872, 1875, 1876 and 1886. My great grandparents were born in 1837, 1839, 1845, 1850, 1850, 1853, 1859, and 1859. My 2x great grandparents were born in 1799, 1801, 1804, 1804, 1805, 1808, 1810, 1820, 1824, 1825, 1825, 1826, 1827, 1828, 1830, and 1841. My husband has a 2x great grandparent born in 1764. The bonus is that we are not looking for information that is still private as we know the birth/marriage and death dates of our parents.
I carried on with my proving of 4x great grandparents and started pulling out material on Philip Rowcliffe and Martha Pearse. I have quite a bit on Philip as well with land records but I do not have the marriage lines for Philip and Martha because my South Molton fiche do not do the period past 1754 and they married in 1760 so I will need to locate that record at Salt Lake City. I will complete them today and hopefully move on to John Rew, Sarah Moggridge, Robert Siderfin and Grace Kent. I was trying to do four per day!
This is the day that my daughter gets her first fitting on her wedding dress. The dress is quite lovely and will suit her. My own dress is now complete - I have added carriers for the black velvet ribbon and we will see if she likes the 3 metres or reduce to whatever she does like. I just need to hem it and add a couple of tabs to the neckline and a hook and eye. I am letting it hang though to let the natural folds of the fabric express themselves. I will need to stem out one fold line although it is barely visible now.
I want to sew my new nightdress as well in the next little while. If I am happy with it I will buy another piece of flanellette and do a second one. I am also going to buy a pattern for an 1800s dress of a Scot woman for my Routledge ancestry. I will represent that line when we go to functions that need a costume. I want to make a new costume for my husband as well since I made the other one when I was working and I was not overly pleased with it. I have more time to do a proper job of finishing it.
Back to proving ancestors. This is the slow methodical part as one works their way back in each line. I have no idea how far back I can get except in some of the lines that readily go back into the 1400s others are hopefully stuck in the mid 1700s or even one line (one of my great grandmothers and my mtDNA line!) that is family lore only from the mid 1800s back. My mtDNA matches are from Argyll Scotland though which is very interesting. Hence my interest in doing a dress of a Scot woman which would represent my Routledge ancestry and perhaps others to be found over time.
I need to look through all the parish registers to see if I can discover any more information on Mary Charley. She has been my brick wall almost from the very beginning as my mother knew her name from her father. She was my grandfather's grandfather's grandmother. By the time my 2x great grandfather was born both Mary and John had died. His father Robert was 28 when he married and my 2x great grandfather John was 26 when he married. Then my grandfather was 41 when he married thus making quite long generations.
As it turns out all of my grandparents were born in the 1800s - 1872, 1875, 1876 and 1886. My great grandparents were born in 1837, 1839, 1845, 1850, 1850, 1853, 1859, and 1859. My 2x great grandparents were born in 1799, 1801, 1804, 1804, 1805, 1808, 1810, 1820, 1824, 1825, 1825, 1826, 1827, 1828, 1830, and 1841. My husband has a 2x great grandparent born in 1764. The bonus is that we are not looking for information that is still private as we know the birth/marriage and death dates of our parents.
I carried on with my proving of 4x great grandparents and started pulling out material on Philip Rowcliffe and Martha Pearse. I have quite a bit on Philip as well with land records but I do not have the marriage lines for Philip and Martha because my South Molton fiche do not do the period past 1754 and they married in 1760 so I will need to locate that record at Salt Lake City. I will complete them today and hopefully move on to John Rew, Sarah Moggridge, Robert Siderfin and Grace Kent. I was trying to do four per day!
This is the day that my daughter gets her first fitting on her wedding dress. The dress is quite lovely and will suit her. My own dress is now complete - I have added carriers for the black velvet ribbon and we will see if she likes the 3 metres or reduce to whatever she does like. I just need to hem it and add a couple of tabs to the neckline and a hook and eye. I am letting it hang though to let the natural folds of the fabric express themselves. I will need to stem out one fold line although it is barely visible now.
I want to sew my new nightdress as well in the next little while. If I am happy with it I will buy another piece of flanellette and do a second one. I am also going to buy a pattern for an 1800s dress of a Scot woman for my Routledge ancestry. I will represent that line when we go to functions that need a costume. I want to make a new costume for my husband as well since I made the other one when I was working and I was not overly pleased with it. I have more time to do a proper job of finishing it.
Back to proving ancestors. This is the slow methodical part as one works their way back in each line. I have no idea how far back I can get except in some of the lines that readily go back into the 1400s others are hopefully stuck in the mid 1700s or even one line (one of my great grandmothers and my mtDNA line!) that is family lore only from the mid 1800s back. My mtDNA matches are from Argyll Scotland though which is very interesting. Hence my interest in doing a dress of a Scot woman which would represent my Routledge ancestry and perhaps others to be found over time.
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
Remembrance Day and Presentation
We attended the Remembrance Day Service at the Cenotaph in downtown Ottawa. This year TRH Prince Charles and his wife the Duchess of Cornwall were here to remember with us. I haven't seen the streets so full at a Remembrance Day in my 35 years in Ottawa. They should be pleased and for him it was likely quite poignant as his Grandfather King George VI and Grandmother Queen Elizabeth were the last Royals to attend a Remembrance Day Service here. In 1939 they made their first Canadian tour and were here for the dedication of the War Memorial (with war looming over us once again in Europe). The monument had been ten years in building and tenders were first called in 1925. Later WWII and the Korean War were added to the Monument.
I spent the rest of the day putting together my daughter's childhood pictures into a powerpoint presentation for their wedding. I have just 80 pictures of it and there will be more that they have scanned in.
Today I fixed red eye on some of the pictures and reset them into powerpoint. Then we were off doing errands and I bought flannel to make a nightdress for myself. Now that I am back to sewing I rather think I will keep it up. It gets me away from the computer screen for awhile and is probably good for me. Plus I have a brand new sewing machine (actually five years old) that I have scarcely used. I bought it when I was still working with the idea that I would have it for later and this is definitely later. It has a stretch stitch and can be set (is computerized) for specific patterns.
I also want to knit a sweater for Hogan (a 15 year old chihuahua) for the winter that will cover his hip area as he is getting to be a little arthritic for Christmas. We also bought some of the items for our Christmas bags at Church for Centre 454. We are not doing Samaritan boxes this year but then I have always felt we should support those at home as well as those in the poorer countries.
For genealogy work I will be doing some proofing of my 4x great grandparents. I want to do all the ones for whom I have the proofs at hand and then I can work on the ones that I need to transcribe items or do lookups in my purchased fiche. Of my 64 4x great grandparents I have the information for 55 although for some it is quite sparse. For 8 I have absolutely nothing and for 1 I have a forename. For 46 of the 55 I have all the information that I need to prove them and I have now completed the proofs in Legacy for 4. I would say my aim should be to complete the 42 by the end of next week if I can manage that. That gives me eight days with just five per day. I think I need to schedule myself as I tend to drift away onto other projects. That just leaves me nine to pull the information out from images and other sources that I have for them. The other nine people I will have to see if anything emerges as I am looking for the other eight but they will be on my to do list for Salt Lake City (and I will buy parish fiche for some of them in the new year).
Then I will turn to the 5x great grandparents and I have information already on 60 of the 128 that will let me prove each of them. For another 10 I have information that I need to ferret out that I already know about. Possibly for another 20 I own the information but do not have the previous generation to show me the way - working on the 4x people will help with that. That leaves me with 38 people for whom I will do research in Salt Lake City and fortunately they follow on from the group above about whom I do not have a lot of information. This time will be a strictly find the family material as opposed to discover more about the areas that was my criteria for the last visit
Definitely the Buller family, Knight family, the Farmer family and the Cheatle family will be on that list along with several others. If I give each one of them half of a day then I would be able to do 12 families in our time there. Since families overlap in areas this may actually be 24 families depending on the generation. I would like to complete the 5x great grandparents and come back with material on the 6x great grandparents. The problem with being able to trace all of your lines is ever with me but which one would I choose not to discover. Tempting to leave out my paternal grandmother's paternal line since she was illegitimate but her father was reputed to be Cotterill by the priest and only one Cotterill family in that area since the father of the possible father had only one sister and his father was from Woodford Wiltshire which was a good distance from Kimpton Hampshire. I decided to research it as long as it was reasonable straightforward but that I would not purchase documents to any great extent. What I find I will use and otherwise it will cease probably around the 6x great grandparents. I am back to the 4x and in some cases 5x great grandparents already as most of the lines were at Kimpton from the early 1700s on thus far. I need to purchase the fiche for further back.
I spent the rest of the day putting together my daughter's childhood pictures into a powerpoint presentation for their wedding. I have just 80 pictures of it and there will be more that they have scanned in.
Today I fixed red eye on some of the pictures and reset them into powerpoint. Then we were off doing errands and I bought flannel to make a nightdress for myself. Now that I am back to sewing I rather think I will keep it up. It gets me away from the computer screen for awhile and is probably good for me. Plus I have a brand new sewing machine (actually five years old) that I have scarcely used. I bought it when I was still working with the idea that I would have it for later and this is definitely later. It has a stretch stitch and can be set (is computerized) for specific patterns.
I also want to knit a sweater for Hogan (a 15 year old chihuahua) for the winter that will cover his hip area as he is getting to be a little arthritic for Christmas. We also bought some of the items for our Christmas bags at Church for Centre 454. We are not doing Samaritan boxes this year but then I have always felt we should support those at home as well as those in the poorer countries.
For genealogy work I will be doing some proofing of my 4x great grandparents. I want to do all the ones for whom I have the proofs at hand and then I can work on the ones that I need to transcribe items or do lookups in my purchased fiche. Of my 64 4x great grandparents I have the information for 55 although for some it is quite sparse. For 8 I have absolutely nothing and for 1 I have a forename. For 46 of the 55 I have all the information that I need to prove them and I have now completed the proofs in Legacy for 4. I would say my aim should be to complete the 42 by the end of next week if I can manage that. That gives me eight days with just five per day. I think I need to schedule myself as I tend to drift away onto other projects. That just leaves me nine to pull the information out from images and other sources that I have for them. The other nine people I will have to see if anything emerges as I am looking for the other eight but they will be on my to do list for Salt Lake City (and I will buy parish fiche for some of them in the new year).
Then I will turn to the 5x great grandparents and I have information already on 60 of the 128 that will let me prove each of them. For another 10 I have information that I need to ferret out that I already know about. Possibly for another 20 I own the information but do not have the previous generation to show me the way - working on the 4x people will help with that. That leaves me with 38 people for whom I will do research in Salt Lake City and fortunately they follow on from the group above about whom I do not have a lot of information. This time will be a strictly find the family material as opposed to discover more about the areas that was my criteria for the last visit
Definitely the Buller family, Knight family, the Farmer family and the Cheatle family will be on that list along with several others. If I give each one of them half of a day then I would be able to do 12 families in our time there. Since families overlap in areas this may actually be 24 families depending on the generation. I would like to complete the 5x great grandparents and come back with material on the 6x great grandparents. The problem with being able to trace all of your lines is ever with me but which one would I choose not to discover. Tempting to leave out my paternal grandmother's paternal line since she was illegitimate but her father was reputed to be Cotterill by the priest and only one Cotterill family in that area since the father of the possible father had only one sister and his father was from Woodford Wiltshire which was a good distance from Kimpton Hampshire. I decided to research it as long as it was reasonable straightforward but that I would not purchase documents to any great extent. What I find I will use and otherwise it will cease probably around the 6x great grandparents. I am back to the 4x and in some cases 5x great grandparents already as most of the lines were at Kimpton from the early 1700s on thus far. I need to purchase the fiche for further back.
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
West Hampshire Tax Subsidy
I decided to turn the 30+ pages of text images into a flat file for use in my West Hampshire families (that spill back and forth across the Wiltshire and Berkshire borders). Although my great grandfather was an agricultural labourer his ancestors were farmers on his paternal line. They lived in the Andover area at least from the late 1400s on. I managed to get through about 1/3 of the entries yesterday yielding me just over 600 entries. I have fields for the Division, Hundred, Tithing, Parish, Year of Subsidy, Forename, Surname, Suffix (or additional information), Category of Land Occupancy, Value of Subsidy, and Image number. I think that captures everything that is available to capture but there is still lots more room to add items if I change my mind!
I have completed Andover Hundred where most of my families were but the Blake family was large in the early 1500s and they quickly radiated out from this area into other sections of Hampshire. Eventually many settled in the Southampton area (my father was also born in this area) and the Blake lines coming directly down from Calne Wiltshire also gravitated to this area through the New Forest thus creating a lot of Blake lines and loss of knowledge of how they fitted into this family grouping. I can not say personally if my Blake line is descendant of the Calne Blake family although published literature indicates that they are. I am still with the father of my Nicholas Blake who was born at Andover in the late 1400s and married to Jone who left a will in 1527 which names all of their children but does not give the name of her husband which was thought to be William. But if it is he didn't leave a will which exists in the Hampshire Record Office. There are wills for a Robert and a Richard which I must purchase.
I completed the West Hampshire Tax Subsidy chart today from the material that I copied at Salt Lake City. It will let me sort on all the entries by surname, by area and help me to understand the movements of the various families in this time period 1571 - 1598.
Back to the proving of the 4x great grandparents. I have about 1000 images of the 2500 images left to look at, enter into pertinent spots in my Legacy file or transcribe. One set will take quite a while - the Manor Books for Upper Clatford and they are all in Latin. What do I hope to learn with all this reading of Manor Books/Poor Law Rates/Subsidies? Not so much what they owned but rather are there any interesting stories that come out of the records that would let me really feel close to my ancestors.
I once had someone ask me if I was looking for "a lost inheritance" but actually that doesn't interest me. I just would like to know as much about my ancestors as it is physically possible for me to know about them. Until I went to Italy and England in 2001 I really thought I knew all that I would ever know about my ancestors and there wasn't a driving urge to know more. But walking in places where they may have walked or did actually walk has an effect on you that you cannot just walk away from.
In a different century my Bishops Nympton ancestors walked up the same walk towards the parish Church that I walked. The trees (now chopped down perhaps because they were just too large) would have been there in their days and if they could whisper to me they could tell me about Robert Pincombe and Elizabeth Rowcliffe as they walked down this path on their wedding day after they were married. They could tell me about the baptisms of each of their eight children. They could tell me about the sadness as they buried William at 15 years of age. The sadness of Robert as he buried his wife just two years later and then Robert himself just two years after that. They could tell me about the weddings of their children, my 2x great grandparents were married at Bishops Nympton and Elizabeth Rew's cousin came all the way from Higher Upcott Farm near Wootton Courtney Somerset to be one of the witnesses.
Trees are amazing on our planet as they are here before we are and they will be here after we are gone. But back to work and entering all the proofs into my Legacy file for those who will come after me so that they can know as much as I know about my ancestors.
Tomorrow I shall continue working on my proofs for my 4x great grandparents.
I have completed Andover Hundred where most of my families were but the Blake family was large in the early 1500s and they quickly radiated out from this area into other sections of Hampshire. Eventually many settled in the Southampton area (my father was also born in this area) and the Blake lines coming directly down from Calne Wiltshire also gravitated to this area through the New Forest thus creating a lot of Blake lines and loss of knowledge of how they fitted into this family grouping. I can not say personally if my Blake line is descendant of the Calne Blake family although published literature indicates that they are. I am still with the father of my Nicholas Blake who was born at Andover in the late 1400s and married to Jone who left a will in 1527 which names all of their children but does not give the name of her husband which was thought to be William. But if it is he didn't leave a will which exists in the Hampshire Record Office. There are wills for a Robert and a Richard which I must purchase.
I completed the West Hampshire Tax Subsidy chart today from the material that I copied at Salt Lake City. It will let me sort on all the entries by surname, by area and help me to understand the movements of the various families in this time period 1571 - 1598.
Back to the proving of the 4x great grandparents. I have about 1000 images of the 2500 images left to look at, enter into pertinent spots in my Legacy file or transcribe. One set will take quite a while - the Manor Books for Upper Clatford and they are all in Latin. What do I hope to learn with all this reading of Manor Books/Poor Law Rates/Subsidies? Not so much what they owned but rather are there any interesting stories that come out of the records that would let me really feel close to my ancestors.
I once had someone ask me if I was looking for "a lost inheritance" but actually that doesn't interest me. I just would like to know as much about my ancestors as it is physically possible for me to know about them. Until I went to Italy and England in 2001 I really thought I knew all that I would ever know about my ancestors and there wasn't a driving urge to know more. But walking in places where they may have walked or did actually walk has an effect on you that you cannot just walk away from.
In a different century my Bishops Nympton ancestors walked up the same walk towards the parish Church that I walked. The trees (now chopped down perhaps because they were just too large) would have been there in their days and if they could whisper to me they could tell me about Robert Pincombe and Elizabeth Rowcliffe as they walked down this path on their wedding day after they were married. They could tell me about the baptisms of each of their eight children. They could tell me about the sadness as they buried William at 15 years of age. The sadness of Robert as he buried his wife just two years later and then Robert himself just two years after that. They could tell me about the weddings of their children, my 2x great grandparents were married at Bishops Nympton and Elizabeth Rew's cousin came all the way from Higher Upcott Farm near Wootton Courtney Somerset to be one of the witnesses.
Trees are amazing on our planet as they are here before we are and they will be here after we are gone. But back to work and entering all the proofs into my Legacy file for those who will come after me so that they can know as much as I know about my ancestors.
Tomorrow I shall continue working on my proofs for my 4x great grandparents.
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