Thank you to Carleton University's Department of Sociology and Anthropology for a very interesting lecture on Technologies of Kinship: Genetic Genealogists and Origin Stories by Dr Scout Calvert, UCLA Irvine.
A rapid fire lecture that covered the field of genealogy and the emergence of DNA as a genealogical tool and discussed origin in that context. I very much enjoyed the talk and did ask one question at the end. One that has always interested me and for which I have my own answer but was curious what discussion would ensue if I asked it. Unfortunately, I asked it a bit late as we had to depart whilst it was still being discussed but hopefully someone else might blog on the further discussion.
I queried whether DNA, as the "new kid on the block" or traditional paper trail genealogy would ultimately be the "decider" on family genealogy. My answer is that the archival documents will always be more important that the genetic genealogy of a family. It really comes down to what determines family - is it the genetic composition that passes from father and mother to child or is it the logical flow of events that precede and follow that event where they can be documented. You can not change wills that have named children or the baptismal registers that have named parents. In the long run, family is determined by these paper documents and not by the DNA that runs through our veins.
I think perhaps the most exciting part of genetic genealogy is the deep ancestry that you learn about yourself because you test your family line and if female then having a brother to do all the testing for you (of course who can resist also testing oneself just to see especially in the autosomal results where you match each other!). There spread out before you is the history of your genes as they traveled through time from thousands of years ago. Having tested my brother at National Geographic phase 1 and Geno 2.0, FT DNA and Britains DNA I have a collage of interesting charts and data to look at. All of these tests have complimented each other and provide unique as well as common pieces of information.
Knowing that my paternal line was within 2 miles of Andover, Hampshire, England from the mid 1400s to the mid 1900s on paper provides me with a paper trail which is also verified with the DNA results but going back before the earliest paper records for this family is the knowledge that this yDNA is an ancient pre-historic British Isles group so the paper trail both proves and is proved by the genetics. But the family stories of origin were what directed me to look for this family line where I did. Indeed the yDNA population study for the particular haplogroup places this group most commonly in southern Ireland which wouldn't have helped me at all. Especially in this case as the surname Blake is very common in the area of Ireland.
But ultimately those of us with British Isles ancestry came from somewhere else eight to ten thousand years ago and the mtDNA leads my family through my mother back to the shores of the Black Sea. The trek they took towards the British Isles can be followed north through the Scandinavian Penninsula and thence to Scotland. The yDNA pictorially at Gen2.0 tells me that my line is an Eastern European line P37 trekking into Poland but the work of Dr Ken Nordtvedt shows that a group of these hunter gathers made the trek across Doggerland into the British Isles and some (not mine it would appear) kept going all the way to present day Ireland. Because this group is a small one compared to its big brother R1b and even I1, the number of testers is small both at Gen 2.0 and at Britains DNA where only 11 people have tested in their very large database. But what about all those people inbetween, these testing companies do autosomal testing and have different mapping techniques to show you the admixture to be found in those genes. It is a fascinating tale; probably the best story time tale ever!
DNA is a new and exciting tool but we must not lose sight of the need to find the documents that pertain to our families and encourage the preservation of all those documents. We could get misled using only DNA results.
Although I find it interesting that Lineage Societies will now accept DNA results I am not surprised that they have taken their time moving to this acceptance. Direct line y-DNA or mtDNA descendant with triangulated proven ancestry for the lineage ancestor does seem to be a reasonable proof but there are still legions of descendants who may or may not show autosomal ancestry but still on paper be descendant. The blending of DNA testing with paper trail ancestry is a real bonus to genealogy but in the long run it will be, I rather think, the stories of origin passed down in a family and proven with paper documents that really determine one's "family."
Friday, February 28, 2014
Will of John Blake, Kings Enham, Hampshire - Family Search film 186872, catalogue A-294, number 62, probated 16 Apr 1572
John Blake of Kings Enham identifies himself as the brother of William Blake, Robert Blake and Richard Blake. The appraisers refer to him as John Blake of Knights Enham. He identifies his children as Robert the elder, Robert the younger, John, Christopher, Jone the elder and Jone the younger, Dorothy and Margaret. Dorothy is the only daughter that he mentions as being under 21 years of age. Christopher is under 18 years of age. His wife is named Alice.
This is again a will from Family Search, Film 186872, Catalogue A-294, number 62.
Charlou Dolan has defined this family of John Blake as follows:
Robert Blake the Elder born after 1551 and died before 1605
Robert Blake the Younger born after 1551 and died before 1619
John Blake born after 1551 and died before 1605
Christopher Blake born after 1556 and died before 1614
Jone Blake
Jone Blake born after 1552
Margaret Blake born after 1551
Dorothy Blake born by 1561 and died before 1633.
Robert Blake in his will of 1542
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/01/will-of-robert-blake-enham-near-andover.html
identifies his children as Robert, John the elder , William, John the younger, Richard and Thomas. Possibly this John does not mention his brothers John the younger and Thomas because they are living at Penton Mewsey on property of their own. He appears to be the first of the brothers to die. He is over 30 years of age because his father died in 1542 and he is the second eldest so at least ten years older than that. Charlou saw all of this John’s children as minors but I am not of that opinion actually. I do not think you can really say except for the two identified as being under 21 and under 18 years of age. I am curious if one of the Jone Blake entries is the wife of Richard Blake of Andover (my ancestors)
I wonder if William Blake the elder/senior is cousin to the testator (son of Nicholas Blake who left his will in 1547, William died in 1582).
Trying to put these individuals into some sort of timeline if one considers that Richard Blake is the husband of one of the Jone Blake. William (supposed grandson of Richard and son of Nicholas) died in 1582 and does not mention any grandchildren. All of his children appear to be 21 years of age in that he does not mention any guardianship. Likely he has grandchildren certainly his father Nicholas mentioned that William had children in his will of 1547 so William was at least 21 by the mid 1540s so born before his grandmother died in 1527 and his possible grandfather Richard in 1522.
Was Nicholas the oldest or was Robert? Jone mentions Nicholas first in her will and if he was the oldest (and now that I have read Paul Reeds take on the will of Richard I am no longer locked into the notion that Robert was the eldest) then Robert’s children may have been younger than their cousin William. So I am somewhat satisfied with my thoughts on this will and I am proceeding to the next will for these brothers. Thomas’s will, youngest of the children of Robert who left his will in 1542 is likely the Thomas Blake at Penton Mewsey leaving his will in 1597. That leaves Robert, William, John the younger, and Richard and the will of John the younger is perhaps the next will to be blogged. I am ambivalent as to whether the will of John at Penton Mewsey in 1593 is John the younger but Charlou Dolan has the will of John in 1587 at Knights Enham as John the younger.
I have again included the inventory as they are most interesting. I will likely be reviewing all of these wills a number of times and could find small changes to the text over time.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 21 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search Film 186872, Catalogue A-294, number 62 or Hampshire Record Office 1572A/07
Testator: John Blake
Place: Kings Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 28 Mar 1572, probated 16 Apr 1572
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Wrapper]: Johannis Blake de Kings Enham
1 In the name of God Amen The xxviij th daie of marche in the yeare of o[u]r Lord God 1572 I John Blake of Kings Enham
2 in the p[ar]ishe of Andov[er] w[i]thin the Countie of South[amp]t[on] being Sick in bodye but thancks be gevin unto Almightie
3 God in good and p[er]fect Remembrance doe make and ordaine this my Last will and Testament in man[ner] and fourme
4 ensuyinge First I Commit my Soule into the hands of Almightie god through Jesus Christ my Savioure
5 according to his holye woorde And my bodye to be buryed in the Churche yarde of Andov[er] to the will and pleasure of god
6 It[em] I give to the mother Churche of winchestere vj d It[em] I give to Andovere Churche iij s iiij d It[em] I give to the churche
7 of Knights Enham ij s It[em] I give to the poor people of Andover ij s It[em] I give to the vicar xij d It[em] I give to Robert Blake
8 the yo[u]nger my Sonn[e] one cowe, xx ti sheep to runn at leet, half a quart[e]r of Barley and half a quart[e]r of wheat to be
9 delyverid at michelm[a]s aft my decease It[em] I give to John my Sonn[e] one Cow, xx ti shepe, half a quart[e]r of Barley
10 and half a quart[e]r of wheat to be delyverid then also It[em] I give to Chrystover Blake my Sonn[e] one yong Cow, xx ti
11 sheep, half a quart[e]r of Barley and half a quart[e]r of wheat to be delyverid him when he is xviij ters years of age
12 It[em] to Jone Blake my daught[e]r one Cowe, xx ti sheep, one quart[e]r of wheat, one quart[e]r of Barley and four pounds
13 of currant Englishe money to be delyverid her at the daie of her maryage It[em] I give to dorythie my daughter
14 one Cow, xx ti sheip, one acre of wheat and one acre of Barley to be delyverid her when she is xxj ti yeares of
15 age, It[e]m I give to Jone my daught[e]r the yonger one bullock, xx ti sheep, one acre of wheat and one of Barley to be
16 delyverid her at the daie of her maryage It[em] I give to Margaret my daught[e]r one Cow, one bullock xx ti sheep
17 one acre of wheat and one of Barley, and my wyfe or ells my Sonn[e] Robart sen[ior] to have the use of the farme to fund
18 her, and use her honestlye, and yf they will not then I desire my overseers to appoint her to some other honest
19 man and to have the aforesaid Legacie w[i]th her to use her reasonably It[em] I give to Willm Blake my brother
20 v s It[em] my will is that yf any of my children decease before they be of Lawfull age, the same legacies
21 to be equally devidid amongst the Rest It[em] I give to each of my god Childrin iiij d It[em] I give and Bequeath
22 to Robart Blake my eldest Sonn[e] half my Carts, ij of my best horses, ij of my best kine, iiij or of my
23 best hogs xl ti sheep to runn at leate, and the p[ro]ffitt of the same yearly so th[a]t he wilbe a guyde to his
24 mother in her husbandrye and busyness and do her true service until suche tyme as he happen to marrye
25 and then to have hit and use hit as pleasithe him The rest of all my goods and Catailes moveable
26 and unmoveable not gevin nor bequethed I give and bequeath to Alice Blake my wyfe whom I make
27 and ordene my Sole Executrix to pay all my deabts and dischardge all Legacies by me so gevin
28 and bequethid And my overseers I desire to be Willm Blake thelder and Robart Blake my brother
29 I will to eache of them for their paines v s witnesses to this my last will and Testament
30 Edward Richards, Thom[a]s Haywood Willm Martin Thom[a]s Golding Willm Golding John Blake
31 p[ar]son of Knights Enham and he to have for his paynes v s It[em] mother Farnell and Thom[a]s Haiwood to have such of each iiij d
32 It[em] I doe owe unto Richard Blake my brother x li x s vi d
33 Probatum p[er] iurium s[upra]scri[ptum] ______
34 cora[m] _____ Archici etc xvj
35 die Ap[ri]lis An[no] 1572
36 Comissaqu[e] fuit Admi[nistrato] executris
37 sup[ra]script[um]
[Page 2]
38 An Inventorye made the viijth daie of Aprill
39 in the yeare of o[u]r Lorde god 1572 of all the goods
40 Catailes moveable or unmoveable of John Blake
41 of Knights Enham in the p[ar]ishe of Andover w[i]thin
43 the Countie of South[amp]t[on] Lately deceased in
44 the year of o[u]r Lord god aforesaid praysid by
45 Willm Blake sen[io]r Edward Thurman Roberte
46 Blake Edwarde Abbott and John Blake p[ar]son
47 Inp[ri]mis in the hall A table bowrde, A round table bourde, A fowrme, one Cubbard iiij or cusshins ij chaires, iij or platters, v potingers, iij saucers iij salt sellers, one chaphing dishe, v ca[n]delsticks one Andiron ij pothangings and the hangings about the hall one basin ij iron barres xxix s v d
48 It[em] in the kitchin iiij or Bras potts, iiij or bras kettills one frying pan, ij broches, one pothook xvij s iij d
49 It[em] in the Chamber, one fether bed ij fether bolsters, one flock bolster, iij Coverletts ij blancketts ij Testos, iiij or pair of sheets iij table clothes, iij pillowbers, ij pillows ij coats, ij pair of hosin, one dublett, iij shirts iij great chests, one cap one hatt ij coffers lx s vj d
50 It[em] one pair of shoes, and one pair of boots and speeres bridell and Saddill v s
51 It[em] iij Bedsteads one standing bedsted ij dosin of trenchers xij spoones, ij be of sever, xij dishes xj s viij d
52 It[em] ij sawes, iiij or rip hokes one Iron beam w[i]th other olde Iron stuff vj s viij d
53 It[em] in the barne by estyma[t]ion v quarters of wheat iij li xiij s iiij d
54 It[em] of Barley x quarters iij li vj s viij d
55 It[em] of Pie iij bz iij s iiij d
56 It[em] ij Iron bound carts j li viij s iij d
57 It[em] iiij or horses l li
58 It[em] the harness belonging to the same w[i[th wood roops and cart lynes xxj s
59 It[em] one Iron bar, one prong, ij bills and one ax, ij plowes, and plow gear, ij pair of plow irons others xvij s
60 It[em] of malt viij bz and ij bz meale xij s
61 It[em] iiij or barrels, iij _omells, iij pipes one a yruting vate, iiij kivers w[i]th other olde tubbes and ij bucketts xij s vij d
62 It[em] vij kine ij bullucks vij li xiiij s
63 It[em] of mothers, yewes, and teggs viij xx xvj xx li x s viij d
64 It[em] xij hogs great and small xxxij s
65 It[em] of wheat and futches xxxv acres x li xv s
66 It[em] of Barley, sarim iiij or acres xiij s iiij d
67 It[em] iiij or calves x s
68 It[em] iij geese vj henns, ij cocks x ducks and malerds viij s
69 It[em] the woode and the ladders xiij s iiij d
70 It[em] in money xx s
71 It[em] in horse meat xiij s iiij d
72 It[em] one bread grate, one ladill, one busshell iij seeves, one seed leep xx d
73 It[em] xij acres of otes and peas in xl s
74 It[em] vij hogs hanging at Roust xl s
75 Sum total lxxij li xj s x d
This is again a will from Family Search, Film 186872, Catalogue A-294, number 62.
Charlou Dolan has defined this family of John Blake as follows:
Robert Blake the Elder born after 1551 and died before 1605
Robert Blake the Younger born after 1551 and died before 1619
John Blake born after 1551 and died before 1605
Christopher Blake born after 1556 and died before 1614
Jone Blake
Jone Blake born after 1552
Margaret Blake born after 1551
Dorothy Blake born by 1561 and died before 1633.
Robert Blake in his will of 1542
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/01/will-of-robert-blake-enham-near-andover.html
identifies his children as Robert, John the elder , William, John the younger, Richard and Thomas. Possibly this John does not mention his brothers John the younger and Thomas because they are living at Penton Mewsey on property of their own. He appears to be the first of the brothers to die. He is over 30 years of age because his father died in 1542 and he is the second eldest so at least ten years older than that. Charlou saw all of this John’s children as minors but I am not of that opinion actually. I do not think you can really say except for the two identified as being under 21 and under 18 years of age. I am curious if one of the Jone Blake entries is the wife of Richard Blake of Andover (my ancestors)
I wonder if William Blake the elder/senior is cousin to the testator (son of Nicholas Blake who left his will in 1547, William died in 1582).
Trying to put these individuals into some sort of timeline if one considers that Richard Blake is the husband of one of the Jone Blake. William (supposed grandson of Richard and son of Nicholas) died in 1582 and does not mention any grandchildren. All of his children appear to be 21 years of age in that he does not mention any guardianship. Likely he has grandchildren certainly his father Nicholas mentioned that William had children in his will of 1547 so William was at least 21 by the mid 1540s so born before his grandmother died in 1527 and his possible grandfather Richard in 1522.
Was Nicholas the oldest or was Robert? Jone mentions Nicholas first in her will and if he was the oldest (and now that I have read Paul Reeds take on the will of Richard I am no longer locked into the notion that Robert was the eldest) then Robert’s children may have been younger than their cousin William. So I am somewhat satisfied with my thoughts on this will and I am proceeding to the next will for these brothers. Thomas’s will, youngest of the children of Robert who left his will in 1542 is likely the Thomas Blake at Penton Mewsey leaving his will in 1597. That leaves Robert, William, John the younger, and Richard and the will of John the younger is perhaps the next will to be blogged. I am ambivalent as to whether the will of John at Penton Mewsey in 1593 is John the younger but Charlou Dolan has the will of John in 1587 at Knights Enham as John the younger.
I have again included the inventory as they are most interesting. I will likely be reviewing all of these wills a number of times and could find small changes to the text over time.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 21 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search Film 186872, Catalogue A-294, number 62 or Hampshire Record Office 1572A/07
Testator: John Blake
Place: Kings Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 28 Mar 1572, probated 16 Apr 1572
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Wrapper]: Johannis Blake de Kings Enham
1 In the name of God Amen The xxviij th daie of marche in the yeare of o[u]r Lord God 1572 I John Blake of Kings Enham
2 in the p[ar]ishe of Andov[er] w[i]thin the Countie of South[amp]t[on] being Sick in bodye but thancks be gevin unto Almightie
3 God in good and p[er]fect Remembrance doe make and ordaine this my Last will and Testament in man[ner] and fourme
4 ensuyinge First I Commit my Soule into the hands of Almightie god through Jesus Christ my Savioure
5 according to his holye woorde And my bodye to be buryed in the Churche yarde of Andov[er] to the will and pleasure of god
6 It[em] I give to the mother Churche of winchestere vj d It[em] I give to Andovere Churche iij s iiij d It[em] I give to the churche
7 of Knights Enham ij s It[em] I give to the poor people of Andover ij s It[em] I give to the vicar xij d It[em] I give to Robert Blake
8 the yo[u]nger my Sonn[e] one cowe, xx ti sheep to runn at leet, half a quart[e]r of Barley and half a quart[e]r of wheat to be
9 delyverid at michelm[a]s aft my decease It[em] I give to John my Sonn[e] one Cow, xx ti shepe, half a quart[e]r of Barley
10 and half a quart[e]r of wheat to be delyverid then also It[em] I give to Chrystover Blake my Sonn[e] one yong Cow, xx ti
11 sheep, half a quart[e]r of Barley and half a quart[e]r of wheat to be delyverid him when he is xviij ters years of age
12 It[em] to Jone Blake my daught[e]r one Cowe, xx ti sheep, one quart[e]r of wheat, one quart[e]r of Barley and four pounds
13 of currant Englishe money to be delyverid her at the daie of her maryage It[em] I give to dorythie my daughter
14 one Cow, xx ti sheip, one acre of wheat and one acre of Barley to be delyverid her when she is xxj ti yeares of
15 age, It[e]m I give to Jone my daught[e]r the yonger one bullock, xx ti sheep, one acre of wheat and one of Barley to be
16 delyverid her at the daie of her maryage It[em] I give to Margaret my daught[e]r one Cow, one bullock xx ti sheep
17 one acre of wheat and one of Barley, and my wyfe or ells my Sonn[e] Robart sen[ior] to have the use of the farme to fund
18 her, and use her honestlye, and yf they will not then I desire my overseers to appoint her to some other honest
19 man and to have the aforesaid Legacie w[i]th her to use her reasonably It[em] I give to Willm Blake my brother
20 v s It[em] my will is that yf any of my children decease before they be of Lawfull age, the same legacies
21 to be equally devidid amongst the Rest It[em] I give to each of my god Childrin iiij d It[em] I give and Bequeath
22 to Robart Blake my eldest Sonn[e] half my Carts, ij of my best horses, ij of my best kine, iiij or of my
23 best hogs xl ti sheep to runn at leate, and the p[ro]ffitt of the same yearly so th[a]t he wilbe a guyde to his
24 mother in her husbandrye and busyness and do her true service until suche tyme as he happen to marrye
25 and then to have hit and use hit as pleasithe him The rest of all my goods and Catailes moveable
26 and unmoveable not gevin nor bequethed I give and bequeath to Alice Blake my wyfe whom I make
27 and ordene my Sole Executrix to pay all my deabts and dischardge all Legacies by me so gevin
28 and bequethid And my overseers I desire to be Willm Blake thelder and Robart Blake my brother
29 I will to eache of them for their paines v s witnesses to this my last will and Testament
30 Edward Richards, Thom[a]s Haywood Willm Martin Thom[a]s Golding Willm Golding John Blake
31 p[ar]son of Knights Enham and he to have for his paynes v s It[em] mother Farnell and Thom[a]s Haiwood to have such of each iiij d
32 It[em] I doe owe unto Richard Blake my brother x li x s vi d
33 Probatum p[er] iurium s[upra]scri[ptum] ______
34 cora[m] _____ Archici etc xvj
35 die Ap[ri]lis An[no] 1572
36 Comissaqu[e] fuit Admi[nistrato] executris
37 sup[ra]script[um]
[Page 2]
38 An Inventorye made the viijth daie of Aprill
39 in the yeare of o[u]r Lorde god 1572 of all the goods
40 Catailes moveable or unmoveable of John Blake
41 of Knights Enham in the p[ar]ishe of Andover w[i]thin
43 the Countie of South[amp]t[on] Lately deceased in
44 the year of o[u]r Lord god aforesaid praysid by
45 Willm Blake sen[io]r Edward Thurman Roberte
46 Blake Edwarde Abbott and John Blake p[ar]son
47 Inp[ri]mis in the hall A table bowrde, A round table bourde, A fowrme, one Cubbard iiij or cusshins ij chaires, iij or platters, v potingers, iij saucers iij salt sellers, one chaphing dishe, v ca[n]delsticks one Andiron ij pothangings and the hangings about the hall one basin ij iron barres xxix s v d
48 It[em] in the kitchin iiij or Bras potts, iiij or bras kettills one frying pan, ij broches, one pothook xvij s iij d
49 It[em] in the Chamber, one fether bed ij fether bolsters, one flock bolster, iij Coverletts ij blancketts ij Testos, iiij or pair of sheets iij table clothes, iij pillowbers, ij pillows ij coats, ij pair of hosin, one dublett, iij shirts iij great chests, one cap one hatt ij coffers lx s vj d
50 It[em] one pair of shoes, and one pair of boots and speeres bridell and Saddill v s
51 It[em] iij Bedsteads one standing bedsted ij dosin of trenchers xij spoones, ij be of sever, xij dishes xj s viij d
52 It[em] ij sawes, iiij or rip hokes one Iron beam w[i]th other olde Iron stuff vj s viij d
53 It[em] in the barne by estyma[t]ion v quarters of wheat iij li xiij s iiij d
54 It[em] of Barley x quarters iij li vj s viij d
55 It[em] of Pie iij bz iij s iiij d
56 It[em] ij Iron bound carts j li viij s iij d
57 It[em] iiij or horses l li
58 It[em] the harness belonging to the same w[i[th wood roops and cart lynes xxj s
59 It[em] one Iron bar, one prong, ij bills and one ax, ij plowes, and plow gear, ij pair of plow irons others xvij s
60 It[em] of malt viij bz and ij bz meale xij s
61 It[em] iiij or barrels, iij _omells, iij pipes one a yruting vate, iiij kivers w[i]th other olde tubbes and ij bucketts xij s vij d
62 It[em] vij kine ij bullucks vij li xiiij s
63 It[em] of mothers, yewes, and teggs viij xx xvj xx li x s viij d
64 It[em] xij hogs great and small xxxij s
65 It[em] of wheat and futches xxxv acres x li xv s
66 It[em] of Barley, sarim iiij or acres xiij s iiij d
67 It[em] iiij or calves x s
68 It[em] iij geese vj henns, ij cocks x ducks and malerds viij s
69 It[em] the woode and the ladders xiij s iiij d
70 It[em] in money xx s
71 It[em] in horse meat xiij s iiij d
72 It[em] one bread grate, one ladill, one busshell iij seeves, one seed leep xx d
73 It[em] xij acres of otes and peas in xl s
74 It[em] vij hogs hanging at Roust xl s
75 Sum total lxxij li xj s x d
Thursday, February 27, 2014
Ivory Tower Research
As I get further and further into my Blake research (and Pincombe) and occasionally other parts of my extended family, I am finding that I no longer wish to commit time to other activities in the genealogy world. The kind of research that I do and publish on my blog is comfortable for me to do each day because it was and is my living memory. I really enjoy doing that and especially I discovered that during the time that my husband was ill and then recovering. It is nice to just have day after day to spend on my research. The blog lets me look back each time that I am moving forward to see the kinds of questions that I want to ask myself as I work each day.
Taking the Regional Representative for the Guild of One Name Studies in Canada East back on again when Linda Hauley said she needed to step down for health reasons, I did ask if anyone else was willing to take it on. I had taken it on initially because the former Regional Representative was departing from Canada to return home. I, again at that time, asked if anyone else was interested in doing this particular position but no one was interested. On the one hand there is a lot that I could do but I am finding that I make mistakes when I am getting involved with bookings and other details. I think it really is time for me to step down and just stick to my research so I have mentioned that on the forum and now here on my blog.
The position of Regional Representation in Canada East will be occupied by me until someone does step forward to take it on because I think that such a person is needed. I just do not think that that person is me. My husband and I do not travel as we once did and, although, it would be great to take the Guild to French Canadian Conferences I am finding that just getting it to OGS Conference seems like such an effort plus we are both on the OGS Awards Committee which takes up my time as well.
Taking the Regional Representative for the Guild of One Name Studies in Canada East back on again when Linda Hauley said she needed to step down for health reasons, I did ask if anyone else was willing to take it on. I had taken it on initially because the former Regional Representative was departing from Canada to return home. I, again at that time, asked if anyone else was interested in doing this particular position but no one was interested. On the one hand there is a lot that I could do but I am finding that I make mistakes when I am getting involved with bookings and other details. I think it really is time for me to step down and just stick to my research so I have mentioned that on the forum and now here on my blog.
The position of Regional Representation in Canada East will be occupied by me until someone does step forward to take it on because I think that such a person is needed. I just do not think that that person is me. My husband and I do not travel as we once did and, although, it would be great to take the Guild to French Canadian Conferences I am finding that just getting it to OGS Conference seems like such an effort plus we are both on the OGS Awards Committee which takes up my time as well.
Will of John Blake, freeholder, Penton Mewsey, Hampshire - Family Search, Film 186889, catalogue J-153, number 14, probated 8 Apr 1611
This will of John Blake, freeholder, Penton Mewsey was also acquired from Family Search using their Photoduplication form and it is Film 186889, catalogue designation J-153, year of event 8 Apr 1611 (proven) and number on film 14.
John identifies his family members as Andrew Foster son in law, Silvester Pearce son in law, Robert Seward son in law, his daughter Jane Achwoe, William Trewlove his grandson, Thomas Miles son in law, son is John Blake, Marie Blake his granddaughter (daughter of John), Margarit his wife, Christopher Blake his grandson (son of John) and Jone Blake his grand daughter (daughter of John). Unfortunately the parish registers for Penton Mewsey are only available from the late 1640s on.
I did blog the Blake records at Penton Mewsey a couple of days ago:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/blake-family-at-penton-mewsey.html
Is this John the son of the Thomas Blake who left his will in 1597 and was blogged:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-thomas-blake-penton-mewsey.html
Thomas has named his daughters as Elizabeth Crowch, Agnes Blake and Alice Blake and his son as John. He does not mention any grand children. Thomas would have been somewhat elderly since his father likely died in 1542 which makes him over 55 years and likely closer to 60 or more since he is the third last child.
In 1611 John is likely in his 40s and he has just one son John (with a son Christopher at the time of writing his will) and many daughters of whom he only names one Jone/Jane Achwoe. This John Charlou Dolan has as a grandson to Robert Blake who left his will in 1542 at Enham.
There is still a Blake family at Penton Mewsey with their own company C Blake and Sons Ltd at 72 Vigo Road Nursery, Andover SP10 1HP and they are florists. I find this fascinating as my father owned his own business as do my brothers. I wonder if they are descendants of Robert Blake and how much knowledge they have of the Blake family at Penton Mewsey. Although I have traced my line down from Nicholas to Richard to William to William to John to Thomas to Thomas to Joseph who married Joanna King at Upper Clatford, I still leave my mind open to the possibility that the reason Thomas buried his wife and infant son at Penton Mewsey was because that was his home parish (also true of William his great grandfather who lived at Penton) although in general this line was living at Andover up to the marriage of Joseph Blake.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 11 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, 186889-J-153-14 or Hampshire Record Office, 1611A-013
Testator: John Blake, freeholder,
Place: Penton Mewsey, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 20 Feb 1610, probated 8 Apr 1611
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
1 In the name of god Amen The twentie day of Februarie in the
2 eight yeare of raigne of king James over England I John Blake freeholder of Penton
3 mewsey in the County of South[ampton] and within the diocese of Winchester sicke
4 in bodie but of readie and p[er]fect remembrance do herein make and ordeyne my ve
5 rie last will and testament as followeth first I com[n]end my soule and
6 body to gods mercie in Jesus Christ for my eternall salvation and my bodie to
7 Christian burial Touching my worldly goodes I do thus give and bequeath them
8 It[e]m I give and bequeath unto Andrewe Foster my sonne in Lawe tenne
9 sheepe neither of the best nor worst Also to him one sacke of barlie
10 to be paid unto him within one quarter of a yeare after my decease Al
11 so I give to two of his children one sheepe a peece It[e]m I give and
12 bequeath to Silvester Pearce my sonne in lawe my hyffer nowe
13 in his keeping and one sacke of barlie to be paid unto him within one quar
14 ter of a yeare after my decease and one sheepe to his child now borne
15 or else iiijs iiijd in monie at my Executors choice It[e]m I give to Ro
16 bert Seward my sonne in laws first child now borne yf he
17 live five yeares after my decease tenne shillings in monie and then
18 to be paid to ye said child It[e]m I give to my daughter Jane Achwoe
19 for terme of hir natural life and one moneth after to hir execu
20 tor or assigne all that part of my house in Penton abovesaid where
21 in she doth now dwell keeping the same in due reparations and
22 paying the yearelie rent specified upon the last lease and granted
23 from mee of the same It[e]m I give and bequeath unto William
24 Trewlove my daughter Jones sonne x s in monie and j sheepe to be
25 paid unto him within one yeare after my decease It[]e]m I give and
26 bequeath unto eche one of the children of Thomas Miles my
27 sonne in law now borne a sheepe or else x s shillings in mo
28 nie amongst them at my executors choice It[e]m I give to Ma
29 rie Blake the daughter of my sonne John Blake my best coffer
30 my best cubbard ij pottengers and a platter one brasse pot my
31 greatest kittle and my cowe or else in steed of the cow xxxiii s
32 iiij d in monie to be paid unto hir after the decease of Margarit
33 Blake my now wedded wife and not before and I do ordeyne that ye
34 use of all these thinges bequeathed unto ye said Marie shall re
35 maine unto ye said margarite my wife so long as she liveth
36 It[e]m I give to Xopfer John Blakes sonne iij s iiij d and to his daugh
37 ter Jone iij s iiij d to be paid unto them within one quarter of an
38 yeare after my decease All the rest of my goodes cattle and chattels
39 whatsoever yet unbequeathed I give and bequeath unto mar
40 garit Blake my wife whome I make sole Executor of this my
41 last will and testament except ij bushels of barlie w[hi]ch I give
43 to my daughter Jone Achwoe above named
44 Witnesses herunto viz[a vi]t that
45 he verafied was of perfecte
46 memorie and confermed this his
47 laste Will in his life John _____
48 John Heffeild
49 Hugh Hiller
50 John Blacke
51 Probat[um] fuit test[amentum] pred in cor[am]
52 forma per meum Raphaum Wal
53 lon Archi winton etc octavo
54 Ap[ri]lis 1611 Commissiq[ue] fuit
55 Admi[nistrat]o Bonor[um] etc margarete
56 Relicte die def[unct]i executrici
57 soli nominat etc
[Page 2]
58 witnesses to this will are
59 John Dobson minister
60 Richard Carie John
61 Blake and John Bides
[Page 3]
62 A true Inventorie of all the goodes and cattle or John
63 Blake freeholder of Peniton Mewsey in the county
64 of South[ampton] deceased the first day of March anno
65 1610 taken a prised by John Blake and Hugh
66 Hiller inhabitants of Peniton above named
66 Imprimis his apparell xx s
67 It[e]m his bedding vidz ij paire of sheetes coverlet j blanket j bowlster and j boowden bedsteddle all being verie old and neare worne xx s
68 It[e]m ij coffers iiij s iiij d
69 It[e]m his brazen vessel j pot and iij little small kittels x s
70 It[e]m his pewter vessel vj old platters and pottengers w[i]th a brazen candlestick and j salt seller iij s iiij d
71 It[e]m his triene and wodden vessel iiij old tubs and j kines v s
72 It[e]m in wheat and barlie in the barne xl s
73 It[e]m wheat sowed iij halves xx s
74 It[e]m j old cowe xxxiij s iiij d
75 It[e]m xxiij sheepe v l
76 It[e]m in wod xij d
77 It[e]m in hoggues dead and alive xx s
78 It[e]m j hatchet vj d
79 It[e]m j forme j borde
The table is a standard xij d
80 It[e]m j cubbard ij s
81 It[e]m of debt due to him viij l
82 It[e]m one heyffer xvj s
83 Summe total
84 is xxij li xvj s x d
John identifies his family members as Andrew Foster son in law, Silvester Pearce son in law, Robert Seward son in law, his daughter Jane Achwoe, William Trewlove his grandson, Thomas Miles son in law, son is John Blake, Marie Blake his granddaughter (daughter of John), Margarit his wife, Christopher Blake his grandson (son of John) and Jone Blake his grand daughter (daughter of John). Unfortunately the parish registers for Penton Mewsey are only available from the late 1640s on.
I did blog the Blake records at Penton Mewsey a couple of days ago:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/blake-family-at-penton-mewsey.html
Is this John the son of the Thomas Blake who left his will in 1597 and was blogged:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-thomas-blake-penton-mewsey.html
Thomas has named his daughters as Elizabeth Crowch, Agnes Blake and Alice Blake and his son as John. He does not mention any grand children. Thomas would have been somewhat elderly since his father likely died in 1542 which makes him over 55 years and likely closer to 60 or more since he is the third last child.
In 1611 John is likely in his 40s and he has just one son John (with a son Christopher at the time of writing his will) and many daughters of whom he only names one Jone/Jane Achwoe. This John Charlou Dolan has as a grandson to Robert Blake who left his will in 1542 at Enham.
There is still a Blake family at Penton Mewsey with their own company C Blake and Sons Ltd at 72 Vigo Road Nursery, Andover SP10 1HP and they are florists. I find this fascinating as my father owned his own business as do my brothers. I wonder if they are descendants of Robert Blake and how much knowledge they have of the Blake family at Penton Mewsey. Although I have traced my line down from Nicholas to Richard to William to William to John to Thomas to Thomas to Joseph who married Joanna King at Upper Clatford, I still leave my mind open to the possibility that the reason Thomas buried his wife and infant son at Penton Mewsey was because that was his home parish (also true of William his great grandfather who lived at Penton) although in general this line was living at Andover up to the marriage of Joseph Blake.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 11 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, 186889-J-153-14 or Hampshire Record Office, 1611A-013
Testator: John Blake, freeholder,
Place: Penton Mewsey, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 20 Feb 1610, probated 8 Apr 1611
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
1 In the name of god Amen The twentie day of Februarie in the
2 eight yeare of raigne of king James over England I John Blake freeholder of Penton
3 mewsey in the County of South[ampton] and within the diocese of Winchester sicke
4 in bodie but of readie and p[er]fect remembrance do herein make and ordeyne my ve
5 rie last will and testament as followeth first I com[n]end my soule and
6 body to gods mercie in Jesus Christ for my eternall salvation and my bodie to
7 Christian burial Touching my worldly goodes I do thus give and bequeath them
8 It[e]m I give and bequeath unto Andrewe Foster my sonne in Lawe tenne
9 sheepe neither of the best nor worst Also to him one sacke of barlie
10 to be paid unto him within one quarter of a yeare after my decease Al
11 so I give to two of his children one sheepe a peece It[e]m I give and
12 bequeath to Silvester Pearce my sonne in lawe my hyffer nowe
13 in his keeping and one sacke of barlie to be paid unto him within one quar
14 ter of a yeare after my decease and one sheepe to his child now borne
15 or else iiijs iiijd in monie at my Executors choice It[e]m I give to Ro
16 bert Seward my sonne in laws first child now borne yf he
17 live five yeares after my decease tenne shillings in monie and then
18 to be paid to ye said child It[e]m I give to my daughter Jane Achwoe
19 for terme of hir natural life and one moneth after to hir execu
20 tor or assigne all that part of my house in Penton abovesaid where
21 in she doth now dwell keeping the same in due reparations and
22 paying the yearelie rent specified upon the last lease and granted
23 from mee of the same It[e]m I give and bequeath unto William
24 Trewlove my daughter Jones sonne x s in monie and j sheepe to be
25 paid unto him within one yeare after my decease It[]e]m I give and
26 bequeath unto eche one of the children of Thomas Miles my
27 sonne in law now borne a sheepe or else x s shillings in mo
28 nie amongst them at my executors choice It[e]m I give to Ma
29 rie Blake the daughter of my sonne John Blake my best coffer
30 my best cubbard ij pottengers and a platter one brasse pot my
31 greatest kittle and my cowe or else in steed of the cow xxxiii s
32 iiij d in monie to be paid unto hir after the decease of Margarit
33 Blake my now wedded wife and not before and I do ordeyne that ye
34 use of all these thinges bequeathed unto ye said Marie shall re
35 maine unto ye said margarite my wife so long as she liveth
36 It[e]m I give to Xopfer John Blakes sonne iij s iiij d and to his daugh
37 ter Jone iij s iiij d to be paid unto them within one quarter of an
38 yeare after my decease All the rest of my goodes cattle and chattels
39 whatsoever yet unbequeathed I give and bequeath unto mar
40 garit Blake my wife whome I make sole Executor of this my
41 last will and testament except ij bushels of barlie w[hi]ch I give
43 to my daughter Jone Achwoe above named
44 Witnesses herunto viz[a vi]t that
45 he verafied was of perfecte
46 memorie and confermed this his
47 laste Will in his life John _____
48 John Heffeild
49 Hugh Hiller
50 John Blacke
51 Probat[um] fuit test[amentum] pred in cor[am]
52 forma per meum Raphaum Wal
53 lon Archi winton etc octavo
54 Ap[ri]lis 1611 Commissiq[ue] fuit
55 Admi[nistrat]o Bonor[um] etc margarete
56 Relicte die def[unct]i executrici
57 soli nominat etc
[Page 2]
58 witnesses to this will are
59 John Dobson minister
60 Richard Carie John
61 Blake and John Bides
[Page 3]
62 A true Inventorie of all the goodes and cattle or John
63 Blake freeholder of Peniton Mewsey in the county
64 of South[ampton] deceased the first day of March anno
65 1610 taken a prised by John Blake and Hugh
66 Hiller inhabitants of Peniton above named
66 Imprimis his apparell xx s
67 It[e]m his bedding vidz ij paire of sheetes coverlet j blanket j bowlster and j boowden bedsteddle all being verie old and neare worne xx s
68 It[e]m ij coffers iiij s iiij d
69 It[e]m his brazen vessel j pot and iij little small kittels x s
70 It[e]m his pewter vessel vj old platters and pottengers w[i]th a brazen candlestick and j salt seller iij s iiij d
71 It[e]m his triene and wodden vessel iiij old tubs and j kines v s
72 It[e]m in wheat and barlie in the barne xl s
73 It[e]m wheat sowed iij halves xx s
74 It[e]m j old cowe xxxiij s iiij d
75 It[e]m xxiij sheepe v l
76 It[e]m in wod xij d
77 It[e]m in hoggues dead and alive xx s
78 It[e]m j hatchet vj d
79 It[e]m j forme j borde
The table is a standard xij d
80 It[e]m j cubbard ij s
81 It[e]m of debt due to him viij l
82 It[e]m one heyffer xvj s
83 Summe total
84 is xxij li xvj s x d
Wednesday, February 26, 2014
100,000 page views - 26th February 2014
There have been 100,000 page views as of early this morning on my blog which has 1329 blog posts. I do not count my own pageviews. When I started my blog after our trip to Salt Lake City end of October/early November 2008, it was to be and is my living memory of my thoughts on the different lines of my family. It has morphed somewhat to being a blog about my Blake one name study principally but still I do have blogs on other family lines on occasion.
The statistics are interesting with regard to the location of people looking at my blog (the system limits the number displayed to 10):
United States 32269
Canada 13043
United Kingdom 11637
France 7297
Russia 5712
Germany 4644
Australia 2970
Spain 915
China 901
Ukraine 606
This does not add up to 100,000 as it does not include the other countries where the numbers are less than 606 for instance there were over 400 page views for Saudia Arabia I remember in just a one month period. Also Poland, Latvia, Greece, India, New Zealand, Colombia, Mexico, Venezuela, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Malaysia and a few others as I did not write them all down at the time but they come to mind as I am writing this blog.
Why are people looking at my webpages? At first I was really surprised but then I got a few comments from people who were researching my lines asking about sources and then a few times information that redirected my line of research on some of my obscure lines which turned out to be very very handy.
I think blogging is perhaps the most successful means I have found to date of extending my Blake one name study. I have heard from more people who are Blake or descendant from Blake since I started blogging the Blake wills. I am considering eliminating my WordPress website for the Blake one name study as it tends to just collect spam and timewise I haven't been able to get back to it since I converted to this new computer last May. The website is up and running but has only a small portion of the information that I had on it earlier. I still have the information but mostly I have blogged on it. I may just produce a stand alone page connected to my personal website on which I place all the excel files that I have collected for the Blake family and eventually I will have family trees that I will put together on My Heritage. That will not likely happen until I complete the transcription of the PCC Blake wills sometime in this next year hopefully.
I didn't know that I could have made this blog private and to be honest it never crossed my mind that anyone but myself would read it as it does tend to go on and on for a lot of my posts but if it has turned out to be an assistance to people researching their lines I am glad that I was able to share my information and didn't make it private. That would have so limited it with regard to the information that I have received and for those who asked for information it made that possible as well.
The most popular posts:
One can see from this list though that the people reading my blog are often looking for information on Blake.
The statistics are interesting with regard to the location of people looking at my blog (the system limits the number displayed to 10):
United States 32269
Canada 13043
United Kingdom 11637
France 7297
Russia 5712
Germany 4644
Australia 2970
Spain 915
China 901
Ukraine 606
This does not add up to 100,000 as it does not include the other countries where the numbers are less than 606 for instance there were over 400 page views for Saudia Arabia I remember in just a one month period. Also Poland, Latvia, Greece, India, New Zealand, Colombia, Mexico, Venezuela, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Malaysia and a few others as I did not write them all down at the time but they come to mind as I am writing this blog.
Why are people looking at my webpages? At first I was really surprised but then I got a few comments from people who were researching my lines asking about sources and then a few times information that redirected my line of research on some of my obscure lines which turned out to be very very handy.
I think blogging is perhaps the most successful means I have found to date of extending my Blake one name study. I have heard from more people who are Blake or descendant from Blake since I started blogging the Blake wills. I am considering eliminating my WordPress website for the Blake one name study as it tends to just collect spam and timewise I haven't been able to get back to it since I converted to this new computer last May. The website is up and running but has only a small portion of the information that I had on it earlier. I still have the information but mostly I have blogged on it. I may just produce a stand alone page connected to my personal website on which I place all the excel files that I have collected for the Blake family and eventually I will have family trees that I will put together on My Heritage. That will not likely happen until I complete the transcription of the PCC Blake wills sometime in this next year hopefully.
I didn't know that I could have made this blog private and to be honest it never crossed my mind that anyone but myself would read it as it does tend to go on and on for a lot of my posts but if it has turned out to be an assistance to people researching their lines I am glad that I was able to share my information and didn't make it private. That would have so limited it with regard to the information that I have received and for those who asked for information it made that possible as well.
The most popular posts:
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Will of John Blake, Penton Mewsey, Hampshire - Family Search, Film 186905, Catalogue J-667, Number 122, probated 8 May 1620
This will of John Blake, Penton Mewsey was acquired from Family Search using their Photoduplication form and it is Film 186905, catalogue designation J-667, year of event 8 May 1620 (proven) and number on film 122.
I am not of the opinion that the will of this John Blake is the son of the John Blake whose will was probated in 1611 and will be published shortly.
There is a John Blake will probated in 1593 (and blogged yesterday)
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-john-blake-elder-penton-mewsey.html
that I rather think is the father of this John. The freehold that was held by John Blake in 1611 did not pass to this John and the children of the son John in the 1611 will did not have a son John mentioned only Christopher.
In this present will John names his children John Blake, Jone Blake and Hugh Blake (who is under twelve years of age).
Presumably John and Jone are both over twelve years of age since he did not put any restriction on their money. The testator names his wife as Agnes.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 13 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, Film186905, Catalogue designation J-667 and item 122 or Hampshire Record Office, 1620A-008
Testator: John Blake
Place: Penton Mewsey, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 6 Sep 1619, probated 8 May 1620
Condition: 17th century English, legible copy
1 In the name of god Amen The sixth day of September
2 in the yeare of o[u]r Lord Christ 1619 I John Blake of
3 peniton mewsey in the countie of South[amp]t[on] diocese
4 of Winton sicke in bodie but of good memorie doe
5 make and ordeyne this my last will and Testament first
6 I commend my spirit into the handes of god and my bodie
7 to Christian burial touching my worldly goodes
8 I give and dispose them as here followeth It[e]m I
9 give and bequeath unto my sonne John Blake
10 twentie poundes of currant English monie
11 It[e]m I give and bequeath unto Jone Blake my
12 daughter twenty poundes of currant English
13 monie to be paid unto them so soone after my
14 decease as my Executor their mother can where
15 best and most convenient speede satisfie and pay the
16 same unto my sonne Hugh Blake I doe also
17 give and bequeath twenty poundes of currant
18 English monie to be paid unto him and emploied
19 to his sole use and benefit so soone as he shall ac-
20 complish the full age of twelve yeares It[e]m
21 I give unto my parish church of peniton xij d
22 All the rest of my goodes moveable and unmove-
23 able cattle chattels or whatsoever they be
24 I give and bequeath unto Agnes Blake my wife
25 whome I make and ordeyne sole and only Executor
26 of this my last will and Testament And I doe
27 also ordeyne Edward Hiller and William Tredgold
28 my welbeloved in Christ overseears of this
29 my last will and Testament
30 witnesses to this
31 will are John
32 Dobson Edward
33 Hiller and William
34 Tredgolde
35 Agneli Blake vid
36 8 Maij
37 obl ipa vid willmus Tredgolde
38 de ead husbandman
[Page 2]
39 1620
40 T[estamentum] Joh[ann]es Blake
41 de Peniton mewsye
43 Arch:
[Page 3]
44 A true Inventorie of all the goodes cattle and chattels of
45 John Blake of Peniton Mewsey in the county of South[ampton] deceased
46 taken and prised the first day of October in the yeare of our
47 Lord Christ 1619 by the parties hereunder named inhabitants
48 within peniton abovesaide
49 Imprimis his apparell xl s
50 It[e]m his beddinge xl s
51 It[e]m all inscuffe and other household implementes xxvj s viij d
52 It[e]m his corne of all sortes and kinds l li
53 It[e]m his sheepe xx li
54 It[e]m his horse xij l
55 It[e]m his ridder beastes vij l viij s
56 It[e]m j carte and plowe geare xl s
57 It[e]m his swine xl s
58 It[e]m j malt j nearne vj s
59 It[e]m boardes ij s viij d
60 It[e]m sea coale xlv s
61 It[e]m powltrie xx d
62 It[e]m old sackes xviij d
63 It[e]m j wynowe sheetes xijd
64 It[e]m j bar and iij wedges ij s vj d
65 It[e]m j lease of one house and tert and arables xx l
66 prisers of those goodes
66 were William Tredgold
67 and Edward Hiller inha-
68 bants of penton
69 Sum total is cxxij l iiij d
I am not of the opinion that the will of this John Blake is the son of the John Blake whose will was probated in 1611 and will be published shortly.
There is a John Blake will probated in 1593 (and blogged yesterday)
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-john-blake-elder-penton-mewsey.html
that I rather think is the father of this John. The freehold that was held by John Blake in 1611 did not pass to this John and the children of the son John in the 1611 will did not have a son John mentioned only Christopher.
In this present will John names his children John Blake, Jone Blake and Hugh Blake (who is under twelve years of age).
Presumably John and Jone are both over twelve years of age since he did not put any restriction on their money. The testator names his wife as Agnes.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 13 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, Film186905, Catalogue designation J-667 and item 122 or Hampshire Record Office, 1620A-008
Testator: John Blake
Place: Penton Mewsey, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 6 Sep 1619, probated 8 May 1620
Condition: 17th century English, legible copy
1 In the name of god Amen The sixth day of September
2 in the yeare of o[u]r Lord Christ 1619 I John Blake of
3 peniton mewsey in the countie of South[amp]t[on] diocese
4 of Winton sicke in bodie but of good memorie doe
5 make and ordeyne this my last will and Testament first
6 I commend my spirit into the handes of god and my bodie
7 to Christian burial touching my worldly goodes
8 I give and dispose them as here followeth It[e]m I
9 give and bequeath unto my sonne John Blake
10 twentie poundes of currant English monie
11 It[e]m I give and bequeath unto Jone Blake my
12 daughter twenty poundes of currant English
13 monie to be paid unto them so soone after my
14 decease as my Executor their mother can where
15 best and most convenient speede satisfie and pay the
16 same unto my sonne Hugh Blake I doe also
17 give and bequeath twenty poundes of currant
18 English monie to be paid unto him and emploied
19 to his sole use and benefit so soone as he shall ac-
20 complish the full age of twelve yeares It[e]m
21 I give unto my parish church of peniton xij d
22 All the rest of my goodes moveable and unmove-
23 able cattle chattels or whatsoever they be
24 I give and bequeath unto Agnes Blake my wife
25 whome I make and ordeyne sole and only Executor
26 of this my last will and Testament And I doe
27 also ordeyne Edward Hiller and William Tredgold
28 my welbeloved in Christ overseears of this
29 my last will and Testament
30 witnesses to this
31 will are John
32 Dobson Edward
33 Hiller and William
34 Tredgolde
35 Agneli Blake vid
36 8 Maij
37 obl ipa vid willmus Tredgolde
38 de ead husbandman
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39 1620
40 T[estamentum] Joh[ann]es Blake
41 de Peniton mewsye
43 Arch:
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44 A true Inventorie of all the goodes cattle and chattels of
45 John Blake of Peniton Mewsey in the county of South[ampton] deceased
46 taken and prised the first day of October in the yeare of our
47 Lord Christ 1619 by the parties hereunder named inhabitants
48 within peniton abovesaide
49 Imprimis his apparell xl s
50 It[e]m his beddinge xl s
51 It[e]m all inscuffe and other household implementes xxvj s viij d
52 It[e]m his corne of all sortes and kinds l li
53 It[e]m his sheepe xx li
54 It[e]m his horse xij l
55 It[e]m his ridder beastes vij l viij s
56 It[e]m j carte and plowe geare xl s
57 It[e]m his swine xl s
58 It[e]m j malt j nearne vj s
59 It[e]m boardes ij s viij d
60 It[e]m sea coale xlv s
61 It[e]m powltrie xx d
62 It[e]m old sackes xviij d
63 It[e]m j wynowe sheetes xijd
64 It[e]m j bar and iij wedges ij s vj d
65 It[e]m j lease of one house and tert and arables xx l
66 prisers of those goodes
66 were William Tredgold
67 and Edward Hiller inha-
68 bants of penton
69 Sum total is cxxij l iiij d
Tuesday, February 25, 2014
Will of John Blake the elder, Penton Mewsey, Hampshire - Family Search Film 186725, Catalogue E-890, Number 70, probated 14 Sep 1593
This will of John Blake, Penton Mewsey was acquired from Family Search using their Photoduplication form and it is Film 186725, catalogue designation E-860, year of event 14 Sep 1593 (proven) and number on film is 70 or from Hampshire Record Office 1593B-07.
John in his will mentions his wife Johanne, his daughters Margery, Dorothy and Jone and his son John. Which line is this one? Is he a brother to Thomas who leaves his will in 1597 at Penton Mewsey? Charlou Dolan has both of his brothers named John the Elder and John the Younger dead before 1588. Is he the John son of Thomas who left his will in 1541? One of the witnesses to the will is Thomas Blake. Could it be that one of the John (son of Robert) has not died before 1593? There are a lot more wills to transcribe and the answer may lie in one of them.
I believe this son John to be the John Blake who left his will in 1620 at Penton Mewsey and I will publish that particular will tomorrow.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 14 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, 186725, E-860, 70
Place: Penton Mewsey, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 28 Apr 1588, probated 14 Sep 1593
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[wrapper] 1593 Joh[ann]es Blake sen[ior] de peniton mewsie
1 In the name of god Amen The year of o[u]r lord god 1588
2 the xxviij th daye of Aprill I John blake the elder of
3 penyngton mewsei in the Countie of South[ampton] husbandman do
4 make thys my last wyll and testament in man[n]er and forme
5 folowying Fyrst I bequeath my soule unto Almyghty god my
6 creator and redemere And my body to be buryed in the Churchyard
7 of Penyngton aforesaid It[e]m I bequeath to my doughter margry
8 blake vj li xiij s iiij d to be payd W[i]t[h]in one yere after my
9 dycease It[e]m I bequeath to dorathy my doughter vj li xiij s iiij d
10 to be payd w[i]th in ij yeres after my dycease It[e]m I bequeth
11 to Joan my doughter vj li xiij s iiij d to be payd when she shall
12 come to the age off xxi yeres or be maryed And I wyll
13 that my wyff hir mother shal have the custodye off hyr And
14 hyr portion in the meane tyme The resydw off all my
15 goodes my detts payd and funeral dy[s]charged I gyve and
16 bequeth to Johann my wyffe And John Blake my sonne
17 equally to be divided whome I make myne execut[or]s off
18 thys my last wyll and testament And I make M[r]
19 myles kernes p[ar]son of penyngto[n] aforesayd and John
20 Lanchester off the same supervisors off thys my last wyll
21 and testament to se the same duly to be executed And I gyve
22 to eyther off them for thyr paynes in that behalffe to be
23 taken v s apece those beying witnesses
24 Myles kernes wryter hereff
25 John lanchester
26 Thomas Blake
27 Item I gyve to the poor people off Penynton asforsayd xij d
28 Probatum fuit testamen[tum] suprascript[um] in hu[ius]mo[d]i _____ p _____
29 Willimum Say vicarij gen[er]ale etc decimo quarto die
30 Septe[m]br 1593 Commissaqu[e] fuit Admi[strati]o bonor[um]
31 etc Johanne R[e]lic[t]e et Johann filio nominate testamentum executoris
32 suprascript[um] de bene etc iurat _______ ______ commisa
33 filmo iure administrarique
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34 A true Inventorie of the Goodes and cattell of John Blake
35 the elder of Penington Mewsey in the Countiey of South[ampton
36 there deceased the xxviij day of July 1593
37 taken and prised by John Fay and John Lancaster inhabi
38 tants within the said penyngton the xxviij day of
39 August in the yeare of our lord abovenamed
40 Inprimis his Apparell vj s
41 It[e]m his bedding and bedsteddles iij l
43 It[e]m treene vessel worth xxx s
44 It[e]m three coffers worth v s
45 A table board w[i]th other board and one cubbard xx s
46 It[e]m brazen vessel xl s
47 It[e]m a dossen of pewter x s
48 It[e]m plowe and cart w[i]th Appur[tenances] l x
49 It[e]m corne of all sortes worth xx l
50 It[e]m five old sackes v s
51 It[e]m wood xiij s iiiijd
52 It[e]m goose ducke and hennes vj s
53 It[e]m hoggues and pigges l s
54 It[e]m ij horse w[i]th their harnesses iiij l
55 It[e]m three kyne w[ith] three yonge bullock vj l
56 It[e]m xij sheepe lij s
57 Summa totals xlviij l iij d
58 John Fay
John Lancaster prysers of these goodes
John in his will mentions his wife Johanne, his daughters Margery, Dorothy and Jone and his son John. Which line is this one? Is he a brother to Thomas who leaves his will in 1597 at Penton Mewsey? Charlou Dolan has both of his brothers named John the Elder and John the Younger dead before 1588. Is he the John son of Thomas who left his will in 1541? One of the witnesses to the will is Thomas Blake. Could it be that one of the John (son of Robert) has not died before 1593? There are a lot more wills to transcribe and the answer may lie in one of them.
I believe this son John to be the John Blake who left his will in 1620 at Penton Mewsey and I will publish that particular will tomorrow.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 14 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, 186725, E-860, 70
Place: Penton Mewsey, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 28 Apr 1588, probated 14 Sep 1593
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[wrapper] 1593 Joh[ann]es Blake sen[ior] de peniton mewsie
1 In the name of god Amen The year of o[u]r lord god 1588
2 the xxviij th daye of Aprill I John blake the elder of
3 penyngton mewsei in the Countie of South[ampton] husbandman do
4 make thys my last wyll and testament in man[n]er and forme
5 folowying Fyrst I bequeath my soule unto Almyghty god my
6 creator and redemere And my body to be buryed in the Churchyard
7 of Penyngton aforesaid It[e]m I bequeath to my doughter margry
8 blake vj li xiij s iiij d to be payd W[i]t[h]in one yere after my
9 dycease It[e]m I bequeath to dorathy my doughter vj li xiij s iiij d
10 to be payd w[i]th in ij yeres after my dycease It[e]m I bequeth
11 to Joan my doughter vj li xiij s iiij d to be payd when she shall
12 come to the age off xxi yeres or be maryed And I wyll
13 that my wyff hir mother shal have the custodye off hyr And
14 hyr portion in the meane tyme The resydw off all my
15 goodes my detts payd and funeral dy[s]charged I gyve and
16 bequeth to Johann my wyffe And John Blake my sonne
17 equally to be divided whome I make myne execut[or]s off
18 thys my last wyll and testament And I make M[r]
19 myles kernes p[ar]son of penyngto[n] aforesayd and John
20 Lanchester off the same supervisors off thys my last wyll
21 and testament to se the same duly to be executed And I gyve
22 to eyther off them for thyr paynes in that behalffe to be
23 taken v s apece those beying witnesses
24 Myles kernes wryter hereff
25 John lanchester
26 Thomas Blake
27 Item I gyve to the poor people off Penynton asforsayd xij d
28 Probatum fuit testamen[tum] suprascript[um] in hu[ius]mo[d]i _____ p _____
29 Willimum Say vicarij gen[er]ale etc decimo quarto die
30 Septe[m]br 1593 Commissaqu[e] fuit Admi[strati]o bonor[um]
31 etc Johanne R[e]lic[t]e et Johann filio nominate testamentum executoris
32 suprascript[um] de bene etc iurat _______ ______ commisa
33 filmo iure administrarique
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34 A true Inventorie of the Goodes and cattell of John Blake
35 the elder of Penington Mewsey in the Countiey of South[ampton
36 there deceased the xxviij day of July 1593
37 taken and prised by John Fay and John Lancaster inhabi
38 tants within the said penyngton the xxviij day of
39 August in the yeare of our lord abovenamed
40 Inprimis his Apparell vj s
41 It[e]m his bedding and bedsteddles iij l
43 It[e]m treene vessel worth xxx s
44 It[e]m three coffers worth v s
45 A table board w[i]th other board and one cubbard xx s
46 It[e]m brazen vessel xl s
47 It[e]m a dossen of pewter x s
48 It[e]m plowe and cart w[i]th Appur[tenances] l x
49 It[e]m corne of all sortes worth xx l
50 It[e]m five old sackes v s
51 It[e]m wood xiij s iiiijd
52 It[e]m goose ducke and hennes vj s
53 It[e]m hoggues and pigges l s
54 It[e]m ij horse w[i]th their harnesses iiij l
55 It[e]m three kyne w[ith] three yonge bullock vj l
56 It[e]m xij sheepe lij s
57 Summa totals xlviij l iij d
58 John Fay
John Lancaster prysers of these goodes
Monday, February 24, 2014
Wills from the Hampshire Record Office
At the moment my transcription of wills for the Blake family are those held by the Hampshire Record Office. I have managed to collect fourty four of these wills thus far and they are the earliest of the wills for the Blake family held by them. Some of them have come direct from the Hampshire Record Office and others from using the Photoduplication form at Family Search. Charlou Dolan extracted the information to collect all the useful Blake wills from the Indexes held at the Family Search Library and I have been sending in these requests in order to acquire copies of the wills. Most of them come with Inventories which I debated transcribing but for a sense of completeness I have decided to transcribe the entire will and inventory when available. I have completed 26 of these wills now over the past month and hope to complete all of the ones that I presently hold by mid March.
I had decided to move on to the wills of Gloucestershire to fit in with the Somerset/Devon Blake family and when time permits will now begin those wills as well. There are nineteen of them ranging from 1550 to 1854.
I had decided to move on to the wills of Gloucestershire to fit in with the Somerset/Devon Blake family and when time permits will now begin those wills as well. There are nineteen of them ranging from 1550 to 1854.
Paralympics 2014
I do also watch the Paralympics which will take place in Sochi Russia from 7th March to the 16th March. The beginnings of para-olympics stretch back to 1948 beginning with a group of British WWII veterans.
I find doing genealogy that I am no longer planning my days months ahead as I was doing a couple of years ago trying to fit in research on my other lines. I must get back to that. I am enjoying my Windows 8 computer very much but reorganizing myself into it meant the loss of my regular times for the other families that I research. I think during the Para-Olympics I will organize my calendar once again for specific research days for some of the family lines I have material on hand and also to continue downloading the pertinent documents for our son in law's French Canadian research.
I find doing genealogy that I am no longer planning my days months ahead as I was doing a couple of years ago trying to fit in research on my other lines. I must get back to that. I am enjoying my Windows 8 computer very much but reorganizing myself into it meant the loss of my regular times for the other families that I research. I think during the Para-Olympics I will organize my calendar once again for specific research days for some of the family lines I have material on hand and also to continue downloading the pertinent documents for our son in law's French Canadian research.
Will of Thomas Blake, Knights Enham, Hampshire - Hampshire Record Office 1541U-06, probated 15 Jun 1541
The testator is Thomas Blake of Enham and he names his children John, Robert and Margaret. His wife is unnamed and not mentioned in this will so is likely deceased. Thomas names Alys Munday as one of his legatees and is she perhaps his daughter with husband Richard Munday?
Margaret does not survive to be one of his executors so Robert is named the sole executor of the will in the probate (I believe I am correctly translating the latin in this case).
This Thomas, present testator, is likely the son of Robert Blake whose will was probated in 1521. Robert names his son Thomas and gives him Rawkins for his own use for ever. Thomas has passed this to John his other son. Thomas then is a contemporary of Nicholas Blake and Robert Blake sons of Richard Blake whose will was probated in 1522 and blogged and he mentioned his brother Thomas:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-richard-blayke-knights-enham.html
The next time that I see Rawkins mentioned in a will it is for William Blake whose will was probated in 1606 son of William Blake whose will was probated in 1582. Now why did Rawkins pass from John Blake to his 1st cousin twice removed? William was not even the eldest, his brother John was the eldest. There is always the possibility that it was sold.
The next generation will be second cousins and Thomas mentions in this will his sons John and Robert (John inherits Rawkins). Nicholas has two sons William and Stephen. Robert has six sons and he was the eldest in that family (Robert and Nicholas). Robert’s sons were Robert, John the elder, John the younger, William, Thomas and Richard. The sons of Robert brother to John are not known. I still have a few wills to transcribe in the time period that these men lived so will wait until they are all done before commenting further but it is rather interesting to see this property end up with William son of William who was the son of Nicholas.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 17 Feb 2014
Source: Hampshire Record Office, 1541U-06
Testator: Thomas Blake
Place: Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 15 Oct 1540, probated 15 Jun 1541
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: 1541U-06
1 Jn die no[m]i[n]e Ame[n] Jn the yere off owr Lorde MDXLI the 15th
2 day off October J Thomas Blake sykke off bodye and hole off mynde
3 and memorye make my testament and last Wyll yn maner and foorme
4 foloynge first j bequeth my sowle unto almygthty god to owr Lady
5 saynt marye and to the hole c[o]mpanye off heven And my bodye
6 to be buryede yn the chyrchyard off Andev[e]r j bequethe and gyve
7 unto the hye altare off the sayd churche off andev[er] xij d Item
8 to alys munday j bequethe a cowe and vj yoongs j wyll also that
9 at my morytlie myade be bestoede upon the powr pepull a
10 quarter off whete Item j wyll th[a]t Joh[ann]is my soone have and holde
11 the howse at Enam callyd Rawkyns w[i]th all the aporte[nancs] and th[a]t he
12 also have and ynioy all the grownde and landys ther w[i]thyn the sayd
13 Enam the w[hi]ch j do holde off my lorde Sandy he yn as good a state
14 and ryghte as j have the same ferdermore j gyve unto rychard
15 Munday and Jhon[nes] Blake my soone x ps for to ov[er]see thys my testament
16 And also j make my soone Robert and my dowrther Margaret myn
17 executors off all my goods not bequeathed moveabyll and unmoveabyll
18 provydyde th[a]t my dettys due unto the sayd rycharde munday the
19 w[hi]ch ys 6 nobles iij s iiij d and unto John[nes] Blake my sonne the w[hi]ch ys
20 x ps be payd off my goods by my execytors The rest off
21 all my goods and catell j gyve holely unto my execytors
22 to se yt bestoed and dysposyd for the helthe off my sowle att
23 ther al byteremente and plesuere In wytnesse off all thys ys m[r]
24 Thomas Brotwynge Vycare off Andev[er] and Sy[r] Johan[nes] Patye mo[r]row masse
25 pryst ther the w[hi]ch were att the makyinge hereof present
26 P[ro]bat[um] approbat[um] et insinuat[um] fuit p[rese]ns testam[entum] apud
27 winton cora[m] Mag[is]tro Edmundo Stuarde doctere
28 Rev[er]end in xxo pris etc xv t[h] die Junij Anno d[omi]ni
29 1542 Comissaq[ue] fuit adm[in]strat[io] om[nium] et sing[u]lor bonor[um]
30 sup[ra]script[um] defuncti Margaret Blake un[a] execut[oribus]
31 in h[uis]mo[d]i test[amentum] no[m]i[n]at[orum] insat[ ] etc Res[er]uata p[otes]tat cons[er]ter
32 administer[ando] conf[e]rend Roberto Blake alteri execut[oribus] etc
Margaret does not survive to be one of his executors so Robert is named the sole executor of the will in the probate (I believe I am correctly translating the latin in this case).
This Thomas, present testator, is likely the son of Robert Blake whose will was probated in 1521. Robert names his son Thomas and gives him Rawkins for his own use for ever. Thomas has passed this to John his other son. Thomas then is a contemporary of Nicholas Blake and Robert Blake sons of Richard Blake whose will was probated in 1522 and blogged and he mentioned his brother Thomas:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-richard-blayke-knights-enham.html
The next time that I see Rawkins mentioned in a will it is for William Blake whose will was probated in 1606 son of William Blake whose will was probated in 1582. Now why did Rawkins pass from John Blake to his 1st cousin twice removed? William was not even the eldest, his brother John was the eldest. There is always the possibility that it was sold.
The next generation will be second cousins and Thomas mentions in this will his sons John and Robert (John inherits Rawkins). Nicholas has two sons William and Stephen. Robert has six sons and he was the eldest in that family (Robert and Nicholas). Robert’s sons were Robert, John the elder, John the younger, William, Thomas and Richard. The sons of Robert brother to John are not known. I still have a few wills to transcribe in the time period that these men lived so will wait until they are all done before commenting further but it is rather interesting to see this property end up with William son of William who was the son of Nicholas.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 17 Feb 2014
Source: Hampshire Record Office, 1541U-06
Testator: Thomas Blake
Place: Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 15 Oct 1540, probated 15 Jun 1541
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: 1541U-06
1 Jn die no[m]i[n]e Ame[n] Jn the yere off owr Lorde MDXLI the 15th
2 day off October J Thomas Blake sykke off bodye and hole off mynde
3 and memorye make my testament and last Wyll yn maner and foorme
4 foloynge first j bequeth my sowle unto almygthty god to owr Lady
5 saynt marye and to the hole c[o]mpanye off heven And my bodye
6 to be buryede yn the chyrchyard off Andev[e]r j bequethe and gyve
7 unto the hye altare off the sayd churche off andev[er] xij d Item
8 to alys munday j bequethe a cowe and vj yoongs j wyll also that
9 at my morytlie myade be bestoede upon the powr pepull a
10 quarter off whete Item j wyll th[a]t Joh[ann]is my soone have and holde
11 the howse at Enam callyd Rawkyns w[i]th all the aporte[nancs] and th[a]t he
12 also have and ynioy all the grownde and landys ther w[i]thyn the sayd
13 Enam the w[hi]ch j do holde off my lorde Sandy he yn as good a state
14 and ryghte as j have the same ferdermore j gyve unto rychard
15 Munday and Jhon[nes] Blake my soone x ps for to ov[er]see thys my testament
16 And also j make my soone Robert and my dowrther Margaret myn
17 executors off all my goods not bequeathed moveabyll and unmoveabyll
18 provydyde th[a]t my dettys due unto the sayd rycharde munday the
19 w[hi]ch ys 6 nobles iij s iiij d and unto John[nes] Blake my sonne the w[hi]ch ys
20 x ps be payd off my goods by my execytors The rest off
21 all my goods and catell j gyve holely unto my execytors
22 to se yt bestoed and dysposyd for the helthe off my sowle att
23 ther al byteremente and plesuere In wytnesse off all thys ys m[r]
24 Thomas Brotwynge Vycare off Andev[er] and Sy[r] Johan[nes] Patye mo[r]row masse
25 pryst ther the w[hi]ch were att the makyinge hereof present
26 P[ro]bat[um] approbat[um] et insinuat[um] fuit p[rese]ns testam[entum] apud
27 winton cora[m] Mag[is]tro Edmundo Stuarde doctere
28 Rev[er]end in xxo pris etc xv t[h] die Junij Anno d[omi]ni
29 1542 Comissaq[ue] fuit adm[in]strat[io] om[nium] et sing[u]lor bonor[um]
30 sup[ra]script[um] defuncti Margaret Blake un[a] execut[oribus]
31 in h[uis]mo[d]i test[amentum] no[m]i[n]at[orum] insat[ ] etc Res[er]uata p[otes]tat cons[er]ter
32 administer[ando] conf[e]rend Roberto Blake alteri execut[oribus] etc
Sunday, February 23, 2014
Olympics 2014
Another Olympics games completed and they were spectacular. The fireworks at the closing ceremony were stupendous. The Olympic Venues looked absolutely amazing; The Russian Federation has done a wonderful job of creating an athletic dream world for our super athletes. They are to be thanked for doing so. I have a warm spot in my heart for Russia because my mtDNA has its roots there deep in the areas where the Olympics is being held. Millenia ago my ancient ancestress left Ukraina Refuge of the last Ice Age and probably traveled through the Scandinavian Peninsula to Scotland since my best matches follow that route and so when I see the land and the people I know that we share the same DNA heritage.
One of these days I should like to go to the Olympics. Just have to decide when and where. To be there in the stadium would be something marvelous. I have to decide between summer and winter games which is the first challenge since I love both of them. Every two years I set aside two plus weeks of my life and just enjoy sport. I actually never dreamed about being an athlete; I am not that proficient but do like being physically fit and strive to stay that way.
We received, a few years ago now, WII Fit for Christmas and it has had quite a workout these past few years. Then a couple of years ago I found "My Fitness Coach" which works with the WII and most days do see me doing at least 30 minutes of this marvelous program. For how long will I be able to keep up with the program; I have no idea but at 68 I am managing very well with it in spite of my arthritic knee. My knee is stronger because of My Fitness Coach. I had a flare up of my arthritic knee in the spring of 2010 and it was a good six months to good recovery. The flare up that I had this past November of my arthritic knee, although still somewhat a nuisance, has not crippled me up at all. I took a couple of weeks off and then back at my 30 minutes a day. It is the best thing in the world to be as physically fit as you can be.
Back to transcription and publishing my daily blog which should happen in the next day or so. I owe a lot of answers to emails and will try to get started at that later today.
Thank you to the Canadian Athletes for giving it their all and also to all the world's athletes. It is nice for Canada to win medals but it is also nice to see so many countries going home with gold, silver and bronze medals.
One of these days I should like to go to the Olympics. Just have to decide when and where. To be there in the stadium would be something marvelous. I have to decide between summer and winter games which is the first challenge since I love both of them. Every two years I set aside two plus weeks of my life and just enjoy sport. I actually never dreamed about being an athlete; I am not that proficient but do like being physically fit and strive to stay that way.
We received, a few years ago now, WII Fit for Christmas and it has had quite a workout these past few years. Then a couple of years ago I found "My Fitness Coach" which works with the WII and most days do see me doing at least 30 minutes of this marvelous program. For how long will I be able to keep up with the program; I have no idea but at 68 I am managing very well with it in spite of my arthritic knee. My knee is stronger because of My Fitness Coach. I had a flare up of my arthritic knee in the spring of 2010 and it was a good six months to good recovery. The flare up that I had this past November of my arthritic knee, although still somewhat a nuisance, has not crippled me up at all. I took a couple of weeks off and then back at my 30 minutes a day. It is the best thing in the world to be as physically fit as you can be.
Back to transcription and publishing my daily blog which should happen in the next day or so. I owe a lot of answers to emails and will try to get started at that later today.
Thank you to the Canadian Athletes for giving it their all and also to all the world's athletes. It is nice for Canada to win medals but it is also nice to see so many countries going home with gold, silver and bronze medals.
Saturday, February 22, 2014
Blogging with the intent of preserving one's memories
Never more than today perhaps have I seen the value of my blogging. This living memory of my own thoughts has once again brought me back to earlier posts on the subject of Robert Blake of Enham.
Paul C Reed published in The American Genealogist (TAG) Volume 74 in 1999 an article labeled:
Two Somerby Frauds or "Placing the Flesh on the Wrong Bones." Since my husband is a subscriber to TAG I shall check and see if he has access to the original article which I found online a couple of years ago. He did indeed through NEHGS of which he is a member and I have downloaded the article.
Paul Reed is bringing to the forefront once again the fraudulent genealogies produced by Horatio Gates Somerby in particular that of William Blake of Dorchester, Massachusetts. I have mentioned before that Horatio Gates Somerby had taken the Andover line of Blake and mixed it in with the Plainfield/Overstowey/Bridgport Blake line and then had them both descended from Robert de Blakeland of Calne, Wiltshire. Still not sure about the link between the Calne and the Overstowey Blake families but definitely the Blake family at Andover did not have a Humphrey Blake who moved to Overstowey in the time frame that he stated.
Paul Reed has within this article in TAG his reference to an earlier article published in the New England Historical Genalogical Register (NEHGR) 1996, 150, 141-156 which I shall also download and read (Dorothy ____, The key in our search for Shadrack Hapgood) . At the time that I was looking at this material I was not far enough back to really examine this material in detail. The time has come most certainly to have a longer look at this paper by Paul Reed in NEHGR and his later paper in TAG which deals with Blake at Andover in this time period.
Paul Reed states within the TAG article "The Robert Blake of Enham (there is no West Enham) who was Nicholas Blake's uncle is ancestor of Mary Blake, grandmother of the immigrant Shadrack Hapgood. The will of this Robert Blayke was dated 16 Dec 1522 [sic] [the footnote [41] points out the discrepancy which I noted that his son Richard's will was dated and probated before the will of his father and his conclusion is the same as mine that this will is indeed dated 1521 as the tiny j which denotes the number 1 does not have a complete i in front of it]." He mentions that the will includes reference to the son of Robert named Thomas Blake, other son Richard who is also executor, Andrew Blake (there is a footnote attached to Andrew stating no relationship stated and that Andrew was recorded in the 1523/4 subsidy of Knights Enham (PRO Subsidy Rolls, E179/174/291, 17 Hen VIII), William Blake (no specific relationship) and a Robert Blake with no specific relationship.
The Nicholas Blake to whom Paul Reed is referring is presumably the NIcholas Blake who left his will in 1547 but he is not the ancestor of Mary Blake. The ancestor of Mary Blake is Nicholas Blake one of the sons of Robert Blake and a nephew to Nicholas Blake his brother. I believe that Nicholas and Robert are grandsons to the Robert Blake who left his will in 1522. If I have misunderstood the intent of Paul Reed apologies for that but it is not overly clear to which Nicholas he is referring at this point. Nicholas Blake (grandson of Robert who left his will in 1542) married his first cousin Dorothy Blake and they had three children Mary, John and Edward. Nicholas left his will in 1587 and Dorothy remarried to Thomas Noyes which Paul Reed recounts in the article in NEHGR in 1996. This I have in part from Charlou Dolan as I am still in the process of transcribing all of these wills but it is a good time to discuss this information prior to my looking at the wills to determine if indeed these thoughts are correct.
Richard's will (Robert (who left his will in 1521)'s son) was dated 12 Apr 1522 and probated 23 May 1522. Reed states that Richard mentioned his wife, his brother Thomas Blake and Robert Blake his father and his mother (the will of a Matilda or Mawde Blake was entered into the calendar in 1525 according to Paul Reed but is no longer available). Then he mentions that Richard Blake died as a married adult with children in 1522 (I transcribed this will and found that his eldest son was Robert, another child Nichi and an unnamed daughter). My latin skills are very very weak so I must work my way through all of his writings and see if I can discover any holes in my arguments created by documents that he has found. I do find in line 12 of Richard's will that he mentions his mother and gives her 40 pence and a place for her to live as long as she requires the same.I did not find mention of his father but do see now that the one line referring to the indenture has Robert Blake of the first part and himself and his wife must be of the second part inlcuding Nichi. Who is this Robert Blake, is it his son Robert or is it his father? If his father then his father has given his property to Richard and perhaps that is what is being said. That he is entitled to the property because of the indenture but he did give his brother some money for something.
Paul Reed suggests that Richard is younger (born in the late 1490s) which is possible but by 1527 when Jone dies their daughter (if I am correct that Richard is husband to Jone) is already married giving a likely date of birth for Richard in the 1480s. Nicholas and Robert both have children although I suspect Nicholas is rather younger than Robert.
Although Paul Reed's transcription of Richard Blake's will of 1522 has caused me to relook at my transcription and make a couple of changes and accept that he has not referred to a son Robert, I still will toy in my mind with the idea that he is the husband of Jone Blake who left her will in 1527 and the father of Robert, Nicholas and Elizabeth (Mylne). Allowing this will keep it to the forefront of my thoughts as I work through the wills to come for the Blake members in the 1500s at Knights Enham and Andover.
I have also ordered on Open Library a book that may help to understand all of this. It was published as Part 1, Kempton Ancestry. Charlou Dolan has referred to this book in her writeup.
Paul C Reed published in The American Genealogist (TAG) Volume 74 in 1999 an article labeled:
Two Somerby Frauds or "Placing the Flesh on the Wrong Bones." Since my husband is a subscriber to TAG I shall check and see if he has access to the original article which I found online a couple of years ago. He did indeed through NEHGS of which he is a member and I have downloaded the article.
Paul Reed is bringing to the forefront once again the fraudulent genealogies produced by Horatio Gates Somerby in particular that of William Blake of Dorchester, Massachusetts. I have mentioned before that Horatio Gates Somerby had taken the Andover line of Blake and mixed it in with the Plainfield/Overstowey/Bridgport Blake line and then had them both descended from Robert de Blakeland of Calne, Wiltshire. Still not sure about the link between the Calne and the Overstowey Blake families but definitely the Blake family at Andover did not have a Humphrey Blake who moved to Overstowey in the time frame that he stated.
Paul Reed has within this article in TAG his reference to an earlier article published in the New England Historical Genalogical Register (NEHGR) 1996, 150, 141-156 which I shall also download and read (Dorothy ____, The key in our search for Shadrack Hapgood) . At the time that I was looking at this material I was not far enough back to really examine this material in detail. The time has come most certainly to have a longer look at this paper by Paul Reed in NEHGR and his later paper in TAG which deals with Blake at Andover in this time period.
Paul Reed states within the TAG article "The Robert Blake of Enham (there is no West Enham) who was Nicholas Blake's uncle is ancestor of Mary Blake, grandmother of the immigrant Shadrack Hapgood. The will of this Robert Blayke was dated 16 Dec 1522 [sic] [the footnote [41] points out the discrepancy which I noted that his son Richard's will was dated and probated before the will of his father and his conclusion is the same as mine that this will is indeed dated 1521 as the tiny j which denotes the number 1 does not have a complete i in front of it]." He mentions that the will includes reference to the son of Robert named Thomas Blake, other son Richard who is also executor, Andrew Blake (there is a footnote attached to Andrew stating no relationship stated and that Andrew was recorded in the 1523/4 subsidy of Knights Enham (PRO Subsidy Rolls, E179/174/291, 17 Hen VIII), William Blake (no specific relationship) and a Robert Blake with no specific relationship.
The Nicholas Blake to whom Paul Reed is referring is presumably the NIcholas Blake who left his will in 1547 but he is not the ancestor of Mary Blake. The ancestor of Mary Blake is Nicholas Blake one of the sons of Robert Blake and a nephew to Nicholas Blake his brother. I believe that Nicholas and Robert are grandsons to the Robert Blake who left his will in 1522. If I have misunderstood the intent of Paul Reed apologies for that but it is not overly clear to which Nicholas he is referring at this point. Nicholas Blake (grandson of Robert who left his will in 1542) married his first cousin Dorothy Blake and they had three children Mary, John and Edward. Nicholas left his will in 1587 and Dorothy remarried to Thomas Noyes which Paul Reed recounts in the article in NEHGR in 1996. This I have in part from Charlou Dolan as I am still in the process of transcribing all of these wills but it is a good time to discuss this information prior to my looking at the wills to determine if indeed these thoughts are correct.
Richard's will (Robert (who left his will in 1521)'s son) was dated 12 Apr 1522 and probated 23 May 1522. Reed states that Richard mentioned his wife, his brother Thomas Blake and Robert Blake his father and his mother (the will of a Matilda or Mawde Blake was entered into the calendar in 1525 according to Paul Reed but is no longer available). Then he mentions that Richard Blake died as a married adult with children in 1522 (I transcribed this will and found that his eldest son was Robert, another child Nichi and an unnamed daughter). My latin skills are very very weak so I must work my way through all of his writings and see if I can discover any holes in my arguments created by documents that he has found. I do find in line 12 of Richard's will that he mentions his mother and gives her 40 pence and a place for her to live as long as she requires the same.I did not find mention of his father but do see now that the one line referring to the indenture has Robert Blake of the first part and himself and his wife must be of the second part inlcuding Nichi. Who is this Robert Blake, is it his son Robert or is it his father? If his father then his father has given his property to Richard and perhaps that is what is being said. That he is entitled to the property because of the indenture but he did give his brother some money for something.
Paul Reed suggests that Richard is younger (born in the late 1490s) which is possible but by 1527 when Jone dies their daughter (if I am correct that Richard is husband to Jone) is already married giving a likely date of birth for Richard in the 1480s. Nicholas and Robert both have children although I suspect Nicholas is rather younger than Robert.
Although Paul Reed's transcription of Richard Blake's will of 1522 has caused me to relook at my transcription and make a couple of changes and accept that he has not referred to a son Robert, I still will toy in my mind with the idea that he is the husband of Jone Blake who left her will in 1527 and the father of Robert, Nicholas and Elizabeth (Mylne). Allowing this will keep it to the forefront of my thoughts as I work through the wills to come for the Blake members in the 1500s at Knights Enham and Andover.
I have also ordered on Open Library a book that may help to understand all of this. It was published as Part 1, Kempton Ancestry. Charlou Dolan has referred to this book in her writeup.
Robert Blake circa mid 1400s to 1521
Before I move on to the wills that I have managed to transcribe in between Olympic events, I want to think about Robert Blake who wrote his will 16 Dec 1521 and I am quite convinced that it is indeed 1521 and that the Richard who leaves his will in 1522 is his son and the father of Robert, Nicholas and Elizabeth (Mylne).
Robert in his will mentions his son Thomas in particular and Richard occasionally. Thomas is perhaps younger. He also mentions a William Blake and an Andrew Blake but he does not say they are related to him. Robert has given a tenement for life to Andrew Blake.
Richard when he dies in 1522 mentions an indenture with Robert Blake first part and himself, nichi and his wife of the second part at least that would appear to be the correct interpretation as I originally thought it referred to Robert as first son. Richard's wife is still living and he does not name her. He mentions his brother Thomas and that there is a tenament for which he is paying him and this too has something to do with the indenture.
In one of those serendipitous moments, I am seeing that Robert has at least the two sons Richard and Thomas and perhaps a son William but there isn't anything to really prove that. He has perhaps a brother Andrew to whom he has given a tenement for life. Along with that I propose that Richard is the husband of Jone who leaves her will in 1527 mentioning her son Robert, her son Nicholas and her daughter Elizabeth Mylne. She does not give her husband a name.
Thomas and Richard are brothers and the children of Thomas are Margaret (died before Thomas's will was probated), Robert and John. Robert (his son) probates Thomas's will. Is it possible that both men have named their eldest son Robert which is always rather interesting? Is the name of Jone's father Nicholas? Is that the origin of that forename. Is the name of Thomas' wife's father John and again the origin of that forename. The Margaret and the Elizabeth are also interesting but for the most part I am not concerned with the female line of Blake except to note the name of their husbands and possibly their children.
So who is Robert who died in 1521 and what can I learn about him? He is a very generous man remembering many people with a small token. He mentions his sister and a ring for her. His possible brother gets a rent free tenement. Is he quite elderly (perhaps seventy years of age or greater which was a good age in those days? Certainly Nicholas died in 1547 although I suspect his children were only in their 20s at the time giving him a year of birth likely around 1500. Robert has two properties; the one that he lives on where Richard is to live (or is living) and Rawkyns which is to be the home of Thomas. Plus there are his bequests to Andrew Blake and William Blake.
The webpage that talked about a Robert Blake being married to a Maude Snell has long since disappeared and I can not found anything on this particular reference. They were said to be of Benham, Hampshire.But who was this Robert Blake? Can I trace him back any further? Once again the manor papers will likely provide me with information to more fully understand this Blake family at Knights Enham. An obvious pursuit on my next visit to England is to photograph these pages. Unless of course they come on line as more and more material is available on line. In which case we will explore more of England by car; first taking the train to the south of Hampshire and hiring a car and traveling about in south and south west England for a couple of weeks.
The only Benham that I can find is in Berkshire and it is a tything in the parish of Speen. Speen is 15 miles from Andover and 13 miles from Kings Enham. Modern day map shows A34 going south from Speen to Whitchurch where the A303 going west would take you to Andover but there is Red Hill Road/Andover Road from Newbury to Andover. Speen being 1.5 miles northwest of Newbury.
That in itself is quite fascinating as I have transcribed a will for William Blake of Speen and probated in 1552. This was discussed with the will of Nicholas Blake (blog hyperlink below) because of the mention of Robert Boswell and William has interests at Knights Enham.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/09/will-of-nicholas-blake-national.html
and the will of William Blake at Speen and he lives at Benham
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/05/will-of-william-blake-yeoman-of-speen.html
Is this the William in the will of Robert Blake written in 1521? There is no reference to a cousin relationship in the will of William. This William has brothers John and Richard so he is not the son of Robert. He could be the son of William or Andrew mentioned in Robert's will. Interesting the forenames in these various families.
Did I find an answer? No, each new will brings up all sorts of new information, new questions and new thoughts. yDNA testing of Blake descendants in the area of Hampshire/Bershire might provide a few clues as to whether or not this is a founding family which has chosen the surname of Blake at least in the case of my line simply because the yDNA of my brother is said to be pre-historic British Isles well before the Celts, the Romans, the Normans, the Jutes/Angles/Saxons. Why did they choose Blake and for that matter why did so many different founding lines choose Blake? Did they marry daughters of the Blake lines that arrived namely Richard le Blak from Rouen Normandy?
Every time a little tidbit comes my way, it drives my curiosity to continue to pursue all of these Blake lines in England through the wills. The answers lie in those wills, in the manor books of the areas they lived in and the subsidies that they paid in those ancient times.
That I am able to go back to the mid 1400s and find Blake on the land at Knights Enham is telling me that this family in itself is an ancient one and if I am correct that this is my line unbroken back to this time then a truly amazing one in that they were part of the indigenous population of the British Isles that saw immigration after immigration coming to their shores but they survived, they merged with the newcomers and here we are over a thousand years later with some still living in the same area. My grandfather never really left England in his heart; his soul was tied to Upper Clatford and he remembered it to the day that he died. He wanted us to remember it; to see it through his eyes and as an eight year old I listened constantly to his stories about his homeland; his Hampshire. He didn't want his Blake to be lost but to be remembered by his grandchildren and his great grandchildren just as he learned about Blake from his father Edward Blake. He could recite his line going back into time and I wish I had, as an eight year old, written down exactly what he said but he repeated it so many times that getting back to Joseph from Edward (Edward, John, Thomas, Joseph) was easy but the eight year old mind muddled the Thomas, the Williams, the Johns but did hold onto "Old Hall" where Nicholas wrote his will in 1547 (Richard too was lost in my mind).
Robert in his will mentions his son Thomas in particular and Richard occasionally. Thomas is perhaps younger. He also mentions a William Blake and an Andrew Blake but he does not say they are related to him. Robert has given a tenement for life to Andrew Blake.
Richard when he dies in 1522 mentions an indenture with Robert Blake first part and himself, nichi and his wife of the second part at least that would appear to be the correct interpretation as I originally thought it referred to Robert as first son. Richard's wife is still living and he does not name her. He mentions his brother Thomas and that there is a tenament for which he is paying him and this too has something to do with the indenture.
In one of those serendipitous moments, I am seeing that Robert has at least the two sons Richard and Thomas and perhaps a son William but there isn't anything to really prove that. He has perhaps a brother Andrew to whom he has given a tenement for life. Along with that I propose that Richard is the husband of Jone who leaves her will in 1527 mentioning her son Robert, her son Nicholas and her daughter Elizabeth Mylne. She does not give her husband a name.
Thomas and Richard are brothers and the children of Thomas are Margaret (died before Thomas's will was probated), Robert and John. Robert (his son) probates Thomas's will. Is it possible that both men have named their eldest son Robert which is always rather interesting? Is the name of Jone's father Nicholas? Is that the origin of that forename. Is the name of Thomas' wife's father John and again the origin of that forename. The Margaret and the Elizabeth are also interesting but for the most part I am not concerned with the female line of Blake except to note the name of their husbands and possibly their children.
So who is Robert who died in 1521 and what can I learn about him? He is a very generous man remembering many people with a small token. He mentions his sister and a ring for her. His possible brother gets a rent free tenement. Is he quite elderly (perhaps seventy years of age or greater which was a good age in those days? Certainly Nicholas died in 1547 although I suspect his children were only in their 20s at the time giving him a year of birth likely around 1500. Robert has two properties; the one that he lives on where Richard is to live (or is living) and Rawkyns which is to be the home of Thomas. Plus there are his bequests to Andrew Blake and William Blake.
The webpage that talked about a Robert Blake being married to a Maude Snell has long since disappeared and I can not found anything on this particular reference. They were said to be of Benham, Hampshire.But who was this Robert Blake? Can I trace him back any further? Once again the manor papers will likely provide me with information to more fully understand this Blake family at Knights Enham. An obvious pursuit on my next visit to England is to photograph these pages. Unless of course they come on line as more and more material is available on line. In which case we will explore more of England by car; first taking the train to the south of Hampshire and hiring a car and traveling about in south and south west England for a couple of weeks.
The only Benham that I can find is in Berkshire and it is a tything in the parish of Speen. Speen is 15 miles from Andover and 13 miles from Kings Enham. Modern day map shows A34 going south from Speen to Whitchurch where the A303 going west would take you to Andover but there is Red Hill Road/Andover Road from Newbury to Andover. Speen being 1.5 miles northwest of Newbury.
That in itself is quite fascinating as I have transcribed a will for William Blake of Speen and probated in 1552. This was discussed with the will of Nicholas Blake (blog hyperlink below) because of the mention of Robert Boswell and William has interests at Knights Enham.
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/09/will-of-nicholas-blake-national.html
and the will of William Blake at Speen and he lives at Benham
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/05/will-of-william-blake-yeoman-of-speen.html
Is this the William in the will of Robert Blake written in 1521? There is no reference to a cousin relationship in the will of William. This William has brothers John and Richard so he is not the son of Robert. He could be the son of William or Andrew mentioned in Robert's will. Interesting the forenames in these various families.
Did I find an answer? No, each new will brings up all sorts of new information, new questions and new thoughts. yDNA testing of Blake descendants in the area of Hampshire/Bershire might provide a few clues as to whether or not this is a founding family which has chosen the surname of Blake at least in the case of my line simply because the yDNA of my brother is said to be pre-historic British Isles well before the Celts, the Romans, the Normans, the Jutes/Angles/Saxons. Why did they choose Blake and for that matter why did so many different founding lines choose Blake? Did they marry daughters of the Blake lines that arrived namely Richard le Blak from Rouen Normandy?
Every time a little tidbit comes my way, it drives my curiosity to continue to pursue all of these Blake lines in England through the wills. The answers lie in those wills, in the manor books of the areas they lived in and the subsidies that they paid in those ancient times.
That I am able to go back to the mid 1400s and find Blake on the land at Knights Enham is telling me that this family in itself is an ancient one and if I am correct that this is my line unbroken back to this time then a truly amazing one in that they were part of the indigenous population of the British Isles that saw immigration after immigration coming to their shores but they survived, they merged with the newcomers and here we are over a thousand years later with some still living in the same area. My grandfather never really left England in his heart; his soul was tied to Upper Clatford and he remembered it to the day that he died. He wanted us to remember it; to see it through his eyes and as an eight year old I listened constantly to his stories about his homeland; his Hampshire. He didn't want his Blake to be lost but to be remembered by his grandchildren and his great grandchildren just as he learned about Blake from his father Edward Blake. He could recite his line going back into time and I wish I had, as an eight year old, written down exactly what he said but he repeated it so many times that getting back to Joseph from Edward (Edward, John, Thomas, Joseph) was easy but the eight year old mind muddled the Thomas, the Williams, the Johns but did hold onto "Old Hall" where Nicholas wrote his will in 1547 (Richard too was lost in my mind).
Thursday, February 20, 2014
Clergy of the Church of England Database
I have always meant to extract the Blake family members who served in the Church of England from the Clergy of the Church of England Database. It is amazing for me to know that as I look backwards in time my family was Church of England on all sides going backwards in time probably even before Saint Augustine arrived in England in the 4th Century. The Celtic Christian Church was already strong and flourishing before Saint Augustine arrived.
http://theclergydatabase.org.uk/
Each of these names have a unique person ID within the database and one of my thoughts was to try to link them into families. This can already be done with some of them so perhaps I will over time hypertext link the Blake member below to the relevant blog. I did not learn anything about John Blake who was a parson at Knights Enham except he did not attend university. I do have a blog which includes all of the Oxford graduates (at least I think I blogged that and if I didn't I have the notes and will do so soon) and I will also link the Blake member below to that entry.
Anthony Blake, MA, BD 1550 - 1571 (died 6 Sep 1570)
Barnard Blake (perpetual Vicar), 1541
Benjamin Blake (schoolmaster), 1707
Charles Blake, DD, 1615
Charles Blake, MA, DD, 1693-1730 (died 26 Nov 1730)
Edmund Blake, BA, 1835
Edward Blake, BA, 1608
Edward Blake, lit, 1632
Edward Blake, MA, BD, DD, 1737-1765 (died 25 Jun 1765)
Elias Blake, lit, 1597-1622
George Blake (schoolmaster), lit, 1701
George Blake, BA, MA, 1706-1708
Henry Blake, BA, 1661-1662
Henry John Crickitt, MA, 1814-1835
Henry William Blake, BA, 1823-1826
Humphrey Blake BA, 1665-1669
John Blake, 1540 (died 6 Mar 1540)
John Blake, 1560
John Blake (perpetual vicar Hurstbourne Tarrant), 1560-1566
John Blake, lit, 1561
John Blake (Rector Knights Enham), 1563-1610
John Blake, MA, 1568-1593
John Blake, 1574
John Blake, MA, 1593-1614 (died 15 Jul 1614)
John Blake, MA, 1612
John Blake, MA, 1614-1639
John Blake, MA, 1619-1623 (died 1 Jul 1623)
John Blake, BA, 1706-1753 (died 19 Dec 1753)
John Blake, BA, MA, 1738-1786 (died 7 May 1784)
John Blake, BA, MA, 1739-1753
John Blake, BA, MA, 1745-1787 (died 2 Sep 1784)
John Blake, MA, 1761
John Blake, 1766
John Blake, BA, (baptized 26 Jun 1747 Minehead), 1770-1773
John Blake, 1773-1780
John Blake, BA, 1780-1801 (died 21 Dec 1801)
John Blake, 1783 (died 8 Feb 1783)
John Blake, BA, MA, 1801-1813 (died 19 Jan 1813)
John Blake, SCL, LLB, 1820-1832 (died 4 May 1832)
John Blake, 1821
Martin Blake, MA, BD, 1617-1639
Matthew Blake, 1698
Nathaniel Blake, BA, MA, 1669-1706 (died 23 Apr 1706)
Nathaniel Blake, BA, 1691-1693
Nathaniel Blake, MA, 1704-1712 (died 9 Nov 1712)
Peter Blake, 1565
Peter Blake (schoolmaster), lit, 1609-1629
Richard Blake
Richard Blake, BA, 1579
Richard Blake (perpetual vicar), 1583-1601 (died 5 Jan 1601)
Richard Blake, MA, 1608-1635
Richard Blake (schoolmaster), 1635
Richard Blake (schoolmaster), 1662
Robert Blake (perpetual vicar), 1560-1584
Robert Blake, 1585
Robert Blake, BA, 1634-1638
Robert Blake, BA, 1684-1685
Robert Blake, 1692-1695
Robert Blake, BA, MA, 1811-1816
Robert Ferrier Blake, lit, 1816-1831
Robert Philip Blake, 1823-1835
Roger Blake, BA, 1705-1722 (died 27 Jun 1722)
Thomas Blake, 1543 (23 Sep 1543)
Thomas Blake, MA, 1620-1639
Thomas Blake, BA, MA, 1623-1666 (died 22 Nov 1666)
Valentine Blake, 1603-1613
William Blake (schoolmaster), 1639
William Blake, MA, 1631
William Blake, MA, 1638
William Blake, BA, MA, 1642-1644
William Blake, 1661
William Blake, 1662
William Blake, 1767
William Blake, SCL, LLB, 1784-1796 (died 12 Aug 1796)
William Jex Blake, BA, 1809-1827
William Robert Blake, BA, 1823-1826
Zachary Blake (schoolmaster), BA, MA, 1714-1757
http://theclergydatabase.org.uk/
Each of these names have a unique person ID within the database and one of my thoughts was to try to link them into families. This can already be done with some of them so perhaps I will over time hypertext link the Blake member below to the relevant blog. I did not learn anything about John Blake who was a parson at Knights Enham except he did not attend university. I do have a blog which includes all of the Oxford graduates (at least I think I blogged that and if I didn't I have the notes and will do so soon) and I will also link the Blake member below to that entry.
Anthony Blake, MA, BD 1550 - 1571 (died 6 Sep 1570)
Barnard Blake (perpetual Vicar), 1541
Benjamin Blake (schoolmaster), 1707
Charles Blake, DD, 1615
Charles Blake, MA, DD, 1693-1730 (died 26 Nov 1730)
Edmund Blake, BA, 1835
Edward Blake, BA, 1608
Edward Blake, lit, 1632
Edward Blake, MA, BD, DD, 1737-1765 (died 25 Jun 1765)
Elias Blake, lit, 1597-1622
George Blake (schoolmaster), lit, 1701
George Blake, BA, MA, 1706-1708
Henry Blake, BA, 1661-1662
Henry John Crickitt, MA, 1814-1835
Henry William Blake, BA, 1823-1826
Humphrey Blake BA, 1665-1669
John Blake, 1540 (died 6 Mar 1540)
John Blake, 1560
John Blake (perpetual vicar Hurstbourne Tarrant), 1560-1566
John Blake, lit, 1561
John Blake (Rector Knights Enham), 1563-1610
John Blake, MA, 1568-1593
John Blake, 1574
John Blake, MA, 1593-1614 (died 15 Jul 1614)
John Blake, MA, 1612
John Blake, MA, 1614-1639
John Blake, MA, 1619-1623 (died 1 Jul 1623)
John Blake, BA, 1706-1753 (died 19 Dec 1753)
John Blake, BA, MA, 1738-1786 (died 7 May 1784)
John Blake, BA, MA, 1739-1753
John Blake, BA, MA, 1745-1787 (died 2 Sep 1784)
John Blake, MA, 1761
John Blake, 1766
John Blake, BA, (baptized 26 Jun 1747 Minehead), 1770-1773
John Blake, 1773-1780
John Blake, BA, 1780-1801 (died 21 Dec 1801)
John Blake, 1783 (died 8 Feb 1783)
John Blake, BA, MA, 1801-1813 (died 19 Jan 1813)
John Blake, SCL, LLB, 1820-1832 (died 4 May 1832)
John Blake, 1821
Martin Blake, MA, BD, 1617-1639
Matthew Blake, 1698
Nathaniel Blake, BA, MA, 1669-1706 (died 23 Apr 1706)
Nathaniel Blake, BA, 1691-1693
Nathaniel Blake, MA, 1704-1712 (died 9 Nov 1712)
Peter Blake, 1565
Peter Blake (schoolmaster), lit, 1609-1629
Richard Blake
Richard Blake, BA, 1579
Richard Blake (perpetual vicar), 1583-1601 (died 5 Jan 1601)
Richard Blake, MA, 1608-1635
Richard Blake (schoolmaster), 1635
Richard Blake (schoolmaster), 1662
Robert Blake (perpetual vicar), 1560-1584
Robert Blake, 1585
Robert Blake, BA, 1634-1638
Robert Blake, BA, 1684-1685
Robert Blake, 1692-1695
Robert Blake, BA, MA, 1811-1816
Robert Ferrier Blake, lit, 1816-1831
Robert Philip Blake, 1823-1835
Roger Blake, BA, 1705-1722 (died 27 Jun 1722)
Thomas Blake, 1543 (23 Sep 1543)
Thomas Blake, MA, 1620-1639
Thomas Blake, BA, MA, 1623-1666 (died 22 Nov 1666)
Valentine Blake, 1603-1613
William Blake (schoolmaster), 1639
William Blake, MA, 1631
William Blake, MA, 1638
William Blake, BA, MA, 1642-1644
William Blake, 1661
William Blake, 1662
William Blake, 1767
William Blake, SCL, LLB, 1784-1796 (died 12 Aug 1796)
William Jex Blake, BA, 1809-1827
William Robert Blake, BA, 1823-1826
Zachary Blake (schoolmaster), BA, MA, 1714-1757
Will of Jone Blake, widow, Enham, Hampshire - Family Search, Film #186682, Catalogue A-377, page 163, dated 23 Mar 1527/1528
This will of Jone Blake, widow, of Enham in 1527 was most kindly written in English; my latin skills are weak at best and the treat of discovering that this will was indeed in English was marvelous. I did blog this will from the copy of Charlou Dolan earlier but I always intended to transcribe it for myself and have now done so. The blog from the earlier will:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/09/will-of-jone-blake-hampshire-record.html
Ever since I found this particular will in Charlou’s work I have wondered who her husband was and the father of Robert, Nicholas and Elizabeth (Mylne). I believe it to be Richard now who left his will in 1522 and hence Jone was a widow in 1527. I tend to think in terms of the old calendar so do not always enter the double dating just as a reminder to any readers.
Who Jone was remains a mystery unless her surname was Jesra as she mentions a Thomas Jesra of Foskett.
Although this might appear to wrap up all the wills in this very early time period there are still a few old ones in this time period that I will be transcribing which may help to locate these families and place them into their lines. The will of William Sylver in 1533 mentions Nycholas Blake and Thomas Blake.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 19 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, Film # 186682, Catalogue A-377, page 163
Testator: Jone Blake, widow
Place: Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 23 Mar 1527/1528
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: copied test[ament]
1 Jn die no[m]i[n]e Ame[n] the yer of owre lord god oon thowsand five hundredth xxvij the xxiij day of the month of marche
2 J Jone Blake widow w[i]t[h] hoyll mynde and a good memorye maketh my laste wyll and testmente in thys man[ner] Fyrste J
3 commend my soll unto allmyghty god owre lady saynt marey to all the saynts in hevyn and my Body to be buryd in
4 the chyrche or the chyrche lyttyn of saynt mykell of enahm Jt[em] J gyffe and bequeth onto the mother chyrche of saynt swe
5 thyns xii d Jt[em] J gyvv and bequeth to the chyrche of enahm vj s viij d Jt[em] J gyvv and bequeath xxvj s viij d to be dystrybute
6 unto poor pepyll in pen[n]y doyll Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto my curat Sy[r] Rychard Mersser xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequethe
7 to Sy[r] John Batte xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth to mayntenyg of the morrow masse prest in Andover xx d Jt[em] I gyff and bequeth
8 to mayntenyg of Jhs masse in the chyrche of Andover xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto the p[ri]or of the freer Augustines
9 in wynchest[er] xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth to Sy[r] Joh[a]n[nis] Whyte freer xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto ev[er]y of freer of the
10 seyd Augustynes th[a]t ys prest iiij d and to ev[er]y novesse ij d of the sayd place Jt[em] J gyvv and bequeth to the chyrche of Fosket
11 to mayntenyg of the light before saynt Jamys and saynt Aidan xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto my dowghter Elsabet
12 mylne xx shepe beside thyos th[a]t she hathe allredy and oon Cowe th[a]t J bowght of hyr and xij s iij d of money and my gretst
13 pan and fowre plat[t]erst J gyff and bequeth unto my son Nycolas Blake the tabyll in the hall and oon clothe callyd the hallyg
14 and two yryne racks Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto my son Robert Blake oon yryne broche and xviij shepe the wheche
15 shepe he hath in kepyng Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto Thome Jesra of Fosket oon yryne broche The resydew of
16 all my goods moveabyll and unmoveabyll J have not legate J gyff and bequeth unto my child[er]ne Nycolas Blake
17 Robert Blake and to Thome Jesra of Fosket and the sayd goods to be devydytt emongys them equaly ev[er]y oon of
18 them elyke mo[r]e[or]l[e]ss Jt[em] J make my sonys Nycolas Blake and Robert Blake my trell executors and Thomas Jesra of
19 Fosket my sup[er]visor th[a]t he see my last wyll and testament Jnplet[ed] and fulfyllyd and the foresaid executors to dypo
20 se for the heylth of my soll as thay shall see moyst expedient the witnesses Sy[r] Rychard Mersser Syr
21 Joh[a]n[nis] Batte Nycolas Blake Robert Blake w[i]t[h] other
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2012/09/will-of-jone-blake-hampshire-record.html
Ever since I found this particular will in Charlou’s work I have wondered who her husband was and the father of Robert, Nicholas and Elizabeth (Mylne). I believe it to be Richard now who left his will in 1522 and hence Jone was a widow in 1527. I tend to think in terms of the old calendar so do not always enter the double dating just as a reminder to any readers.
Who Jone was remains a mystery unless her surname was Jesra as she mentions a Thomas Jesra of Foskett.
Although this might appear to wrap up all the wills in this very early time period there are still a few old ones in this time period that I will be transcribing which may help to locate these families and place them into their lines. The will of William Sylver in 1533 mentions Nycholas Blake and Thomas Blake.
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 19 Feb 2014
Source: Family Search, Film # 186682, Catalogue A-377, page 163
Testator: Jone Blake, widow
Place: Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 23 Mar 1527/1528
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: copied test[ament]
1 Jn die no[m]i[n]e Ame[n] the yer of owre lord god oon thowsand five hundredth xxvij the xxiij day of the month of marche
2 J Jone Blake widow w[i]t[h] hoyll mynde and a good memorye maketh my laste wyll and testmente in thys man[ner] Fyrste J
3 commend my soll unto allmyghty god owre lady saynt marey to all the saynts in hevyn and my Body to be buryd in
4 the chyrche or the chyrche lyttyn of saynt mykell of enahm Jt[em] J gyffe and bequeth onto the mother chyrche of saynt swe
5 thyns xii d Jt[em] J gyvv and bequeth to the chyrche of enahm vj s viij d Jt[em] J gyvv and bequeath xxvj s viij d to be dystrybute
6 unto poor pepyll in pen[n]y doyll Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto my curat Sy[r] Rychard Mersser xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequethe
7 to Sy[r] John Batte xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth to mayntenyg of the morrow masse prest in Andover xx d Jt[em] I gyff and bequeth
8 to mayntenyg of Jhs masse in the chyrche of Andover xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto the p[ri]or of the freer Augustines
9 in wynchest[er] xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth to Sy[r] Joh[a]n[nis] Whyte freer xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto ev[er]y of freer of the
10 seyd Augustynes th[a]t ys prest iiij d and to ev[er]y novesse ij d of the sayd place Jt[em] J gyvv and bequeth to the chyrche of Fosket
11 to mayntenyg of the light before saynt Jamys and saynt Aidan xx d Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto my dowghter Elsabet
12 mylne xx shepe beside thyos th[a]t she hathe allredy and oon Cowe th[a]t J bowght of hyr and xij s iij d of money and my gretst
13 pan and fowre plat[t]erst J gyff and bequeth unto my son Nycolas Blake the tabyll in the hall and oon clothe callyd the hallyg
14 and two yryne racks Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto my son Robert Blake oon yryne broche and xviij shepe the wheche
15 shepe he hath in kepyng Jt[em] J gyff and bequeth unto Thome Jesra of Fosket oon yryne broche The resydew of
16 all my goods moveabyll and unmoveabyll J have not legate J gyff and bequeth unto my child[er]ne Nycolas Blake
17 Robert Blake and to Thome Jesra of Fosket and the sayd goods to be devydytt emongys them equaly ev[er]y oon of
18 them elyke mo[r]e[or]l[e]ss Jt[em] J make my sonys Nycolas Blake and Robert Blake my trell executors and Thomas Jesra of
19 Fosket my sup[er]visor th[a]t he see my last wyll and testament Jnplet[ed] and fulfyllyd and the foresaid executors to dypo
20 se for the heylth of my soll as thay shall see moyst expedient the witnesses Sy[r] Rychard Mersser Syr
21 Joh[a]n[nis] Batte Nycolas Blake Robert Blake w[i]t[h] other
Wednesday, February 19, 2014
Will date for Robert Blake
Periodically through the day I have revised my introductory writeup for the will of Robert Blake as I realized that the date of writing for the will which I had assumed to be 1522 because of the archival numbering which I tend to forget is the year of probate generally. As I examined the will I found that the xx followed by a j is likely just that and the tiny line preceding the j is not an i. That would make sense actually as Robert does mention sons Thomas and Richard. Richard does mention his brother Thomas in his will. That Richard who leaves his will in April 1522 is indeed the son of Robert does seem reasonable from the point of view of the documents and examining the rest of the will I feel that the date year is 1521.
The blog is my living memory so I do tend to review it periodically and make small changes here and there.
I am amazed to discover that I have nearly reached 100,000 page views (I am not tracking my own) and will do so before the end of February.
The blog is my living memory so I do tend to review it periodically and make small changes here and there.
I am amazed to discover that I have nearly reached 100,000 page views (I am not tracking my own) and will do so before the end of February.
Will of Robert Blake, Enham, Hampshire - Hampshire Record Office 1522B-04, no probate attached
The testator Robert Blake has sons Thomas and Richard and his will is probated in 1522 according to the indexing of this particular file. However no probate is recorded on the document. He lived at Enham. He mentioned Andrew Blake, William Blake and Robert Blake not noting any relationship. The will of Richard Blayke was written 12 Apr 1522 but as I continue to examine the will I am finding that the possibility is there that this is 1521. I shall have to see if I can find another record to support the idea that this is actually 1521 (although the labelling date is the year of probate so it is possible that documentation placed this into 1522). The hook on the j is a very tiny one and usually in the writing it was more pronounced in the rest of the will if ij was intended. He appears to be giving a ring to his sister (unnamed) although this particular line is difficult to transcribe.
His likely son Thomas’ will is the next to blog and the reason for thinking this is his son is that Robert assigns Rawkins in Knights Enham to Thomas and later Thomas mentions the same property in his will of 1541 passing it to his son John.
I still have a thousand other images of documents to look at for the Blake family which are not wills so can not really draw any conclusions but just continue to put forward what is being found. There is so much information available on the Blake family that I sometimes wonder about my project actually yielding useful results but I must think in small steps in that regard and indeed there has been some progress in my mind on various lines that I could not have separated out before.
This reminds me of an interesting online tree that used to be available but has disappeared in the past couple of years. It referred to a marriage of Robert Blake and Maude Snell in 1486 at Benham, Hampshire and their three sons William, Richard and Thomas – that I have actually found a will mentioning Richard and Thomas as sons of a Robert Blake and including a William (and Andrew) mentioned is perhaps amazing in itself. I did not capture a copy of that webpage to see who had put that information online as it is sometime since I have seen it. Richard is also listed as dying in 1522 in this online chart although his children are not correct if this is the same Richard as blogged earlier (if indeed I am correct that the will actually does read 16 Dec 1521 then this Robert is the father of Richard whose will is blogged below and who does have a brother Thomas):
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-richard-blayke-knights-enham.html
where his children were named Robert, Nichi and an unnamed daughter. But the most interesting part of all this would be that if Richard and Thomas were brothers then their children would be first cousins and the daughter Margaret mentioned by Thomas though did die before Thomas' will was probated. Finding two possible generations back before Nicholas and Robert is somewhat mind boggling especially when I am concentrating on the Olympics! Finding this William is very very interesting since he could be an uncle to Nicholas and timewise would be more likely to be the William Blake married to Avis Ripley.
All in all these two latin wills which were an incredible challenge for this non-Latin reader may be providing some interesting details into the Blake family at Knights Enham/Andover back into the mid 1400s. There are 34 documents in the time period 1300 – 1550 listed in the Catalogue of the Archives of the Hampshire Record Office. One in particular must have been before 1582 when William Blake (son of Nicholas) died:
85037 - Andover Borough
2 - Courts
10 - Town suits at Westminster
Alt Ref No 37M85/2/TS/8
Title Answers of Nicholas Venables, esq, etc about ancient demense lands of Corporation; whereabouts of certain Borough documents
Date nd [16th century]
Description Answers of Nicholas Venables, esq, Peter Noyes, sen, gent, Robert Noyes, gent, William Blake, sen, gent, Andrew Twichin, gent, Robert West, gent, William Jervis, gent, William Blake, jun, gent; Joseph Hinxman, gent; Bartholomew Wayte, gent; John West, gent; Joan Blake, widow
'And that the said deeds, charters, evidences & peces of evidences Court Rolles, Court Bookes, Rentals, Escripts, Muniments, terriors, boundaries, & other writings have bin anciently kept and used to be kept in Certaine Coffers & Chests Lockt with great Locks & Keyes in the Common Hall called The Towne hall of Andover aforsaid....' Keys normally kept by bailiff or chamber lain; to be lent out on occasion but with 'such caucion & warnies....'
Venables admits to having in his possession an ancient rental in parchment concerning Manor and notes in paper about legacy of £100 by Richard Venables of London, merchant.
Can we relate that to the Calendar of Patent Rolls since they go back into that time period? All of the records in the 1400s are in London but there is interestingly enough a Richard Blake, citizen and draper of London mentioned 8 Feb 1421. Will tuck that into the back of my mind just as a memory. The early records of Hampshire may yield more information on the catalogue.
One of William seniors daughters Margaret was married to a Jarvis so this is perhaps her husband William Jervis. Joseph Hinxman was the father of one of William senior’s son Richard’s son in law. Who is Joan Blake widow? Always new doors are opened as each new will is read! Who is Andrew Blake? There is a will for Andrew Blake at Kings Somborne in 1551 with Kings Somborne being 9 miles or 14.5 kilometres from Andover. That may prove to be an interesting will with regard to the Blake family in this area.
An interesting document on latin terms that I wanted to make note of for future reference and this seems like the right place as this will is a real challenge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_%28full%29
Names mentioned in the will:
Robert Blake, testator
John Howton, debtor
Thomas Blake, son
Andrew Blake
Thomas Longe
Richard Goldyng
Robert Tary
Robert Galavay
William Gelzeyr
William Blake
William Fuynere
Robert Blake
Richard Blake, son, executor
Johannis Battey, vicar, witness
Thomas Blake, witness
Robert Tary, witness
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 3 Jan 2014
Source: Hampshire Record Office, 1522B-04
Testator: Robert Blake
Place: Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 16 Dec 1521(? or 2)
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: 1522B-04
1 In die no[m]i[n]e Ame[n] xvj die dece[m]b[r]is An[n]o d[omi]ni M ccccc xx[not sure if this is ij or just j]j Ego Robertij blayke co[m]pos me[n]t[i]s et sane memorye
2 astituo testame[n]tu[m] [i]n hunc mod[u]m In primis do et lego a[n]i[m]am mea[m] deo o[mn]ipote[n]ti q[u]e meu[m] sepeliendu[m] [i]n cimit[t]erio
3 p[ar]ochialj eccl[es]i[a]e s[an]cti michaelj de Emh[a]m It[e]m do et lego matr[ic]e ecclesie xii d It[e]m do et lego ecclesie de enh[a]m
4 xl s et una[m] vaccam It[e]m do et lego ecclesis de andever xl oues vet p[or]cus eap quod e iij lj quas yearly kyne
5 habet i[n] custodia Item do et lego uxori mee x lj q[uod] joh[han]es howton debet It[e]m do et lego uxori mee x quarte
6 ruas frume[n]ti et xx orderij It[e]m do et lego tame filio meo cc omn[ia] It[e]m do et lego andrew blayke una tenem[entum]
7 gra[tia] tenens It[e]m do et lego tamas longe unu[s] diplade et una came[ra]cio It[e]m do et lego tame filio meo una biga[e] and una maplade[?]
8 cu[m] pts et un[u]m par[s] rotap nonap[?] It[e]m do et lego thome filio una ara[bilis] terra que vocato beyety cross sennitatum
9 cu[m] lupamt[?] It[e]m do et lego Wyllia gelzeyr una[m] toga[m] It[e]m do et lego rycardo goldyng alia[m] toga[m] It[e]m do et lego
10 Robarto tary una tunica[m] It[e]m do et lego unicum suor[or] meor[um] videlicet viro[rum] ac mulier[is] una[m] ane[llus] It[e]m do et
11 lego tome filio mee duas diplades ___ ab It[e]m do et lego robarto Galavay una[m] toga[m] It[e]m do et lego tome
12 filio mee duas diplodes It[e]m do et lego Wyllmo blayke una[m] vacca[m] It[e]m do et lego tome filio mee duos pullos
13 et duo verv[ex] It[e]m wyllmo Fuynere debet m[eo] ppt viij modios furme[n]tie et __oliket modio[s] xvi s It[e]m Assigno
14 tome filio mee una t[enement]a que vocat[o] Rawkynys It[e]m do et lego sccpe[?] volo q[uod] una[m] p[re]sbite[r] celebr[at] et in ecclie par[is]h de Enhym
15 p[ro] salute a[n]i[m]e meo et p[ro] ecclie _______ p[ro] spac[iu]m un[ius] anni It[e]m do et lego robarto blayke una[m] vacca[m] et residuum om[n]i[um] bonor[um]
16 meor[um] tam mobilium q[uam] immobilium It[em] do et lego ricardo filio meo quo[s] ordino meos veros executores ut
17 ip[s]e disponat p[ro] salute a[n]i[m]e mee hijs testib[u]s d[omi]no johane battey thoma blayke robarto tary
18 et aliis
19 Also I reserve to my sonne Richarde my farme and my tenemente that I do dwell ine
His likely son Thomas’ will is the next to blog and the reason for thinking this is his son is that Robert assigns Rawkins in Knights Enham to Thomas and later Thomas mentions the same property in his will of 1541 passing it to his son John.
I still have a thousand other images of documents to look at for the Blake family which are not wills so can not really draw any conclusions but just continue to put forward what is being found. There is so much information available on the Blake family that I sometimes wonder about my project actually yielding useful results but I must think in small steps in that regard and indeed there has been some progress in my mind on various lines that I could not have separated out before.
This reminds me of an interesting online tree that used to be available but has disappeared in the past couple of years. It referred to a marriage of Robert Blake and Maude Snell in 1486 at Benham, Hampshire and their three sons William, Richard and Thomas – that I have actually found a will mentioning Richard and Thomas as sons of a Robert Blake and including a William (and Andrew) mentioned is perhaps amazing in itself. I did not capture a copy of that webpage to see who had put that information online as it is sometime since I have seen it. Richard is also listed as dying in 1522 in this online chart although his children are not correct if this is the same Richard as blogged earlier (if indeed I am correct that the will actually does read 16 Dec 1521 then this Robert is the father of Richard whose will is blogged below and who does have a brother Thomas):
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2014/02/will-of-richard-blayke-knights-enham.html
where his children were named Robert, Nichi and an unnamed daughter. But the most interesting part of all this would be that if Richard and Thomas were brothers then their children would be first cousins and the daughter Margaret mentioned by Thomas though did die before Thomas' will was probated. Finding two possible generations back before Nicholas and Robert is somewhat mind boggling especially when I am concentrating on the Olympics! Finding this William is very very interesting since he could be an uncle to Nicholas and timewise would be more likely to be the William Blake married to Avis Ripley.
All in all these two latin wills which were an incredible challenge for this non-Latin reader may be providing some interesting details into the Blake family at Knights Enham/Andover back into the mid 1400s. There are 34 documents in the time period 1300 – 1550 listed in the Catalogue of the Archives of the Hampshire Record Office. One in particular must have been before 1582 when William Blake (son of Nicholas) died:
85037 - Andover Borough
2 - Courts
10 - Town suits at Westminster
Alt Ref No 37M85/2/TS/8
Title Answers of Nicholas Venables, esq, etc about ancient demense lands of Corporation; whereabouts of certain Borough documents
Date nd [16th century]
Description Answers of Nicholas Venables, esq, Peter Noyes, sen, gent, Robert Noyes, gent, William Blake, sen, gent, Andrew Twichin, gent, Robert West, gent, William Jervis, gent, William Blake, jun, gent; Joseph Hinxman, gent; Bartholomew Wayte, gent; John West, gent; Joan Blake, widow
'And that the said deeds, charters, evidences & peces of evidences Court Rolles, Court Bookes, Rentals, Escripts, Muniments, terriors, boundaries, & other writings have bin anciently kept and used to be kept in Certaine Coffers & Chests Lockt with great Locks & Keyes in the Common Hall called The Towne hall of Andover aforsaid....' Keys normally kept by bailiff or chamber lain; to be lent out on occasion but with 'such caucion & warnies....'
Venables admits to having in his possession an ancient rental in parchment concerning Manor and notes in paper about legacy of £100 by Richard Venables of London, merchant.
Can we relate that to the Calendar of Patent Rolls since they go back into that time period? All of the records in the 1400s are in London but there is interestingly enough a Richard Blake, citizen and draper of London mentioned 8 Feb 1421. Will tuck that into the back of my mind just as a memory. The early records of Hampshire may yield more information on the catalogue.
One of William seniors daughters Margaret was married to a Jarvis so this is perhaps her husband William Jervis. Joseph Hinxman was the father of one of William senior’s son Richard’s son in law. Who is Joan Blake widow? Always new doors are opened as each new will is read! Who is Andrew Blake? There is a will for Andrew Blake at Kings Somborne in 1551 with Kings Somborne being 9 miles or 14.5 kilometres from Andover. That may prove to be an interesting will with regard to the Blake family in this area.
An interesting document on latin terms that I wanted to make note of for future reference and this seems like the right place as this will is a real challenge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_%28full%29
Names mentioned in the will:
Robert Blake, testator
John Howton, debtor
Thomas Blake, son
Andrew Blake
Thomas Longe
Richard Goldyng
Robert Tary
Robert Galavay
William Gelzeyr
William Blake
William Fuynere
Robert Blake
Richard Blake, son, executor
Johannis Battey, vicar, witness
Thomas Blake, witness
Robert Tary, witness
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 3 Jan 2014
Source: Hampshire Record Office, 1522B-04
Testator: Robert Blake
Place: Enham, Hampshire, England
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 16 Dec 1521(? or 2)
Condition: 16th century English, legible copy
[Margin]: 1522B-04
1 In die no[m]i[n]e Ame[n] xvj die dece[m]b[r]is An[n]o d[omi]ni M ccccc xx[not sure if this is ij or just j]j Ego Robertij blayke co[m]pos me[n]t[i]s et sane memorye
2 astituo testame[n]tu[m] [i]n hunc mod[u]m In primis do et lego a[n]i[m]am mea[m] deo o[mn]ipote[n]ti q[u]e meu[m] sepeliendu[m] [i]n cimit[t]erio
3 p[ar]ochialj eccl[es]i[a]e s[an]cti michaelj de Emh[a]m It[e]m do et lego matr[ic]e ecclesie xii d It[e]m do et lego ecclesie de enh[a]m
4 xl s et una[m] vaccam It[e]m do et lego ecclesis de andever xl oues vet p[or]cus eap quod e iij lj quas yearly kyne
5 habet i[n] custodia Item do et lego uxori mee x lj q[uod] joh[han]es howton debet It[e]m do et lego uxori mee x quarte
6 ruas frume[n]ti et xx orderij It[e]m do et lego tame filio meo cc omn[ia] It[e]m do et lego andrew blayke una tenem[entum]
7 gra[tia] tenens It[e]m do et lego tamas longe unu[s] diplade et una came[ra]cio It[e]m do et lego tame filio meo una biga[e] and una maplade[?]
8 cu[m] pts et un[u]m par[s] rotap nonap[?] It[e]m do et lego thome filio una ara[bilis] terra que vocato beyety cross sennitatum
9 cu[m] lupamt[?] It[e]m do et lego Wyllia gelzeyr una[m] toga[m] It[e]m do et lego rycardo goldyng alia[m] toga[m] It[e]m do et lego
10 Robarto tary una tunica[m] It[e]m do et lego unicum suor[or] meor[um] videlicet viro[rum] ac mulier[is] una[m] ane[llus] It[e]m do et
11 lego tome filio mee duas diplades ___ ab It[e]m do et lego robarto Galavay una[m] toga[m] It[e]m do et lego tome
12 filio mee duas diplodes It[e]m do et lego Wyllmo blayke una[m] vacca[m] It[e]m do et lego tome filio mee duos pullos
13 et duo verv[ex] It[e]m wyllmo Fuynere debet m[eo] ppt viij modios furme[n]tie et __oliket modio[s] xvi s It[e]m Assigno
14 tome filio mee una t[enement]a que vocat[o] Rawkynys It[e]m do et lego sccpe[?] volo q[uod] una[m] p[re]sbite[r] celebr[at] et in ecclie par[is]h de Enhym
15 p[ro] salute a[n]i[m]e meo et p[ro] ecclie _______ p[ro] spac[iu]m un[ius] anni It[e]m do et lego robarto blayke una[m] vacca[m] et residuum om[n]i[um] bonor[um]
16 meor[um] tam mobilium q[uam] immobilium It[em] do et lego ricardo filio meo quo[s] ordino meos veros executores ut
17 ip[s]e disponat p[ro] salute a[n]i[m]e mee hijs testib[u]s d[omi]no johane battey thoma blayke robarto tary
18 et aliis
19 Also I reserve to my sonne Richarde my farme and my tenemente that I do dwell ine
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