This has been a very busy summer and I am somewhat slow getting going on the Pincombe-Pinkham Newsletter. It will be mid September before it appears unfortunately. I have a few thoughts to pursue and a couple of items that I have neglected to follow up on.
My DNA study on the Pincombe family has actually been quite significant. Over time I have collected DNA matches on nearly every chromosome between my siblings and myself. The yDNA for the John Pincombe line has been well established. John Pincombe was baptized 13 Feb 1728 at Bishops Nympton son of John Pincombe and Grace Manning (they married 20 Mar 1725 at Bishops Nympton). He married Mary Charlie/Charley 8 Nov 1767 at Bishops Nympton and they had six children with yDNA results from two different sons being available to look at (a descendant of son William and a descendant of son Robert). I do not tend to look at the mitochondrial line as the surname changes each generation and not a lot of information can be gleaned on the Pincombe family itself from such a survey of results.
Tuesday, August 27, 2019
Saturday, August 24, 2019
Wiki Tree
Another short conference and a speaker on Wiki Tree. I decided to become a contributing member of Wiki Tree as yet another place to add my research. I will enter in each individual singly and not upload a gedcom. I found Charles Butt listed by another member and have now added his date of burial to his profile. I can add my tree in at this point and that will let me see if anyone else has added material on any of my other ancestors. As the only grandchildren of our four grandparents (my siblings and I) I am back to great grandparent's children before I start to meet potential cousins with the most recent common ancestors those eight great grandparents. It has made it much more difficult to work with DNA but easier to align my families back into the 1800s as all of my grandparents were born between 1872 and 1886 and all their dates of births, marriages and deaths are known to me with accurate registrations. Having my starting point in the 1800s has made the task of researching my lines considerably easier although I can say that I do have brickwalls and these are not yet positively broken down with two of my great grandparents. The work that I have done looks good but the DNA matches proving these suppositions would be such a great addition,.
Wednesday, July 31, 2019
H11 Newsletter - Volume 3, Issue 3, 2019
H11 Newsletter
Volume 3, Issue 3, 2019
Table of Contents
1. Percentage occurrence of H11 within Haplogroup H
2. FT DNA Project
3. Project Statistics
4. Changes in how a project administrator can view your results
5. H11 in the news
1. Percentage occurrence of H11 within Haplogroup H
FT DNA has the world’s largest mtDNA database containing 150,000 mtFull Sequences from over 180 different countries. HV is the umbrella under which H haplogroup sits. There are 976 downstream branches beneath H haplogroup with these 976 branches representing just 18% of the entire mitochondrial tree (as expressed at FT DNA) at this time of writing.
H11 is located under the grouping H-T195C! and there are 35 branches under this grouping. H11 is listed as having 16 branches. Members have tested from 21 different countries (source: FT DNA Country Report: mtDNA Haplogroup H11):
Maternal Origin Branch Participants Downstream Participants Distribution
Germany 5 118 12%
England 5 110 11%
Finland 0 97 10%
Sweden 4 85 9%
United States 8 84 9%
Poland 3 68 7%
Ireland 2 61 6%
Scotland 1 39 4%
Russian Federation 0 30 3%
Ukraine 1 28 3%
United Kingdom 0 27 3%
Norway 0 26 3%
France 4 19 2%
Canada 0 16 2%
Italy 2 15 2%
Hungary 1 15 2%
Slovakia 1 14 1%
Czech Republic 1 13 1%
Lithuania 0 11 1%
Austria 1 9 1%
Serbia 0 3 0.2%
Romania 0 3 0.2%
Belgium 0 2 0.2%
Latvia 0 2 0.2%
Portugal 0 1 0.1%
Moldova 0 1 0.1%
Slovenia 0 1 0.1%
Montenegro 0 1 0.1%
Macedonia 0 1 0.1%
Albania 0 1 0.1%
South Africa 0 1 0.1%
French Polynesia 0 1 0.1%
Myanmar 0 1 0.1%
Unknown Origin 52 897 48%
Total 98 1861 100%
In total there are 1861 individuals who have tested as H11 or one of its downstream subclades in a database of 150,000 people yielding a percentage of frequency of H11 in the entire database of 1.24%. H haplogroup itself has 67,149 downstream participants yielding a percentage of frequency of H in the entire database at FT DNA of 45%.
If one could extrapolate this to a world view with 7 billion + people but use just 7 billion, the prevalence of H11 and its subclades would be possibly 86,800,000. The problem being that a number of areas are under represented in the database probably due to the cost of testing. Hence, one could perhaps postulate that the number would be higher rather than lower.
Although this project is quite fascinating it does not represent very many people in terms of the actual frequency of H11 unfortunately. I will start to look at the Country Report which FT DNA provides on its website for each of the subclades under H11. As well individual members are self-reporting their origin. But roughly 50% of the individuals who tested have not entered a place of origin.
Looking at my own subclade of H11a2a1 the Country Report is quite revealing.
Maternal Origin Branch Participants Downstream Participants Distribution
England 16 16 12%
United States 14 14 11%
Scotland 10 10 8%
Ireland 10 10 8%
United Kingdom 7 7 5%
Canada 4 4 3%
Germany 4 4 3%
Northern Ireland 2 2 2%
Wales 1 1 1%
Unknown Origin 63 63 48%
Total 131 131 100%
The Country Report at FT DNA has excluded the Unknown Origin but I have included it just to show that aspect. The frequency of the United Kingdom + the countries that make up the United Kingdom is quite remarkable (England 12%, Scotland 8%, Northern Ireland 2%, Wales 1%, United Kingdom 5%) totalling 28%. Noting that the frequency in the United States at 11% and Canada 3% with their colonial histories and the known expedition from Northern Ireland to the Carolinas in 1792 which brought members of H11a2a1 to that area increases this percentage to 42%. Adding in Ireland which is part of the Island chain known as the British Isles increased that percentage once again to 50%. There is a likely passage of H11a2a1 through Eastern Europe from the ice refuge at Ukraina and carrying on through the Germanic States which are found to colonize the east side of England thus permitting the addition of Germany with its 3% yielding 53%. The numbers are little eschewed due to rounding up but with the Unknown Origin at 48% all members are included and a likely path proposed for the movement of H11a2a1 out of Ukraina into the British Isles. Now, in my dreams, I could wish that the other 48% who have thus far not identified their origins at FT DNA might do so (if known) as it could be so revealing. One can imagine that in the future we may be able to look at our mitochondrial DNA and predict at least a country of origin.
2. FT DNA Project:
There are now 357 members in our project. A total of 303 members have added their maternal ancestors information. However, we still only have 49 gedcoms uploaded.
3. Project Statistics (yDNA statistics removed):
Combined GEDCOMs Uploaded 49
DISTINCT mtDNA Haplogroups 17
Family Finder 254
Genographic 2.0 Transfers 20
Maternal Ancestor Information 303
mtDNA 323
mtDNA Full Sequence 313
mtDNA Plus 320
mtDNA Subgroups 22
Total Members 357
Unreturned Kits 15
Within the study group we have members in every sub-haplogroup except H11a5. I will not do a breakdown of the various groups in this newsletter. Generally I will do that in Issue 1 of each year.
4. Changes in how a project administrator can view your results
FT DNA has upgraded their access to accounts so that the default is Group Access only. If you wish to have your results included in the project then you must grant Limited Access to the Administrator. Minimum access means that I can not see any earliest ancestor information that you may have added to your project.
5. H11 in the News
An interesting comment by Stoljarova 2015 in Eupedia.com looking at an Estonian population sample “The discovery of H11a in Narva is a big deal. H11a is more or less East European-specific today. And these mitogenomes from Estonia show there are other forms of H11 in Eastern Europe(H11b, H11*-unclassified).” Narva (a city in Estonia) is at the eastern extreme point of Estonia near the Russian border on the Narva River.
Kevin Alan Brook in his website: Khazaria.com has a page devoted to Polish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries. He presents a table of the frequency of H haplogroup with the total Polish population and lists H11 as 0.52%. This percentage being less than the 1.24% of H predicted in the overall FT DNA database. He does have some fairly recent papers mentioned on his website.
Any submissions to this newsletter can be submitted to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com).
Volume 3, Issue 3, 2019
Table of Contents
1. Percentage occurrence of H11 within Haplogroup H
2. FT DNA Project
3. Project Statistics
4. Changes in how a project administrator can view your results
5. H11 in the news
1. Percentage occurrence of H11 within Haplogroup H
FT DNA has the world’s largest mtDNA database containing 150,000 mtFull Sequences from over 180 different countries. HV is the umbrella under which H haplogroup sits. There are 976 downstream branches beneath H haplogroup with these 976 branches representing just 18% of the entire mitochondrial tree (as expressed at FT DNA) at this time of writing.
H11 is located under the grouping H-T195C! and there are 35 branches under this grouping. H11 is listed as having 16 branches. Members have tested from 21 different countries (source: FT DNA Country Report: mtDNA Haplogroup H11):
Maternal Origin Branch Participants Downstream Participants Distribution
Germany 5 118 12%
England 5 110 11%
Finland 0 97 10%
Sweden 4 85 9%
United States 8 84 9%
Poland 3 68 7%
Ireland 2 61 6%
Scotland 1 39 4%
Russian Federation 0 30 3%
Ukraine 1 28 3%
United Kingdom 0 27 3%
Norway 0 26 3%
France 4 19 2%
Canada 0 16 2%
Italy 2 15 2%
Hungary 1 15 2%
Slovakia 1 14 1%
Czech Republic 1 13 1%
Lithuania 0 11 1%
Austria 1 9 1%
Serbia 0 3 0.2%
Romania 0 3 0.2%
Belgium 0 2 0.2%
Latvia 0 2 0.2%
Portugal 0 1 0.1%
Moldova 0 1 0.1%
Slovenia 0 1 0.1%
Montenegro 0 1 0.1%
Macedonia 0 1 0.1%
Albania 0 1 0.1%
South Africa 0 1 0.1%
French Polynesia 0 1 0.1%
Myanmar 0 1 0.1%
Unknown Origin 52 897 48%
Total 98 1861 100%
In total there are 1861 individuals who have tested as H11 or one of its downstream subclades in a database of 150,000 people yielding a percentage of frequency of H11 in the entire database of 1.24%. H haplogroup itself has 67,149 downstream participants yielding a percentage of frequency of H in the entire database at FT DNA of 45%.
If one could extrapolate this to a world view with 7 billion + people but use just 7 billion, the prevalence of H11 and its subclades would be possibly 86,800,000. The problem being that a number of areas are under represented in the database probably due to the cost of testing. Hence, one could perhaps postulate that the number would be higher rather than lower.
Although this project is quite fascinating it does not represent very many people in terms of the actual frequency of H11 unfortunately. I will start to look at the Country Report which FT DNA provides on its website for each of the subclades under H11. As well individual members are self-reporting their origin. But roughly 50% of the individuals who tested have not entered a place of origin.
Looking at my own subclade of H11a2a1 the Country Report is quite revealing.
Maternal Origin Branch Participants Downstream Participants Distribution
England 16 16 12%
United States 14 14 11%
Scotland 10 10 8%
Ireland 10 10 8%
United Kingdom 7 7 5%
Canada 4 4 3%
Germany 4 4 3%
Northern Ireland 2 2 2%
Wales 1 1 1%
Unknown Origin 63 63 48%
Total 131 131 100%
The Country Report at FT DNA has excluded the Unknown Origin but I have included it just to show that aspect. The frequency of the United Kingdom + the countries that make up the United Kingdom is quite remarkable (England 12%, Scotland 8%, Northern Ireland 2%, Wales 1%, United Kingdom 5%) totalling 28%. Noting that the frequency in the United States at 11% and Canada 3% with their colonial histories and the known expedition from Northern Ireland to the Carolinas in 1792 which brought members of H11a2a1 to that area increases this percentage to 42%. Adding in Ireland which is part of the Island chain known as the British Isles increased that percentage once again to 50%. There is a likely passage of H11a2a1 through Eastern Europe from the ice refuge at Ukraina and carrying on through the Germanic States which are found to colonize the east side of England thus permitting the addition of Germany with its 3% yielding 53%. The numbers are little eschewed due to rounding up but with the Unknown Origin at 48% all members are included and a likely path proposed for the movement of H11a2a1 out of Ukraina into the British Isles. Now, in my dreams, I could wish that the other 48% who have thus far not identified their origins at FT DNA might do so (if known) as it could be so revealing. One can imagine that in the future we may be able to look at our mitochondrial DNA and predict at least a country of origin.
2. FT DNA Project:
There are now 357 members in our project. A total of 303 members have added their maternal ancestors information. However, we still only have 49 gedcoms uploaded.
3. Project Statistics (yDNA statistics removed):
Combined GEDCOMs Uploaded 49
DISTINCT mtDNA Haplogroups 17
Family Finder 254
Genographic 2.0 Transfers 20
Maternal Ancestor Information 303
mtDNA 323
mtDNA Full Sequence 313
mtDNA Plus 320
mtDNA Subgroups 22
Total Members 357
Unreturned Kits 15
Within the study group we have members in every sub-haplogroup except H11a5. I will not do a breakdown of the various groups in this newsletter. Generally I will do that in Issue 1 of each year.
4. Changes in how a project administrator can view your results
FT DNA has upgraded their access to accounts so that the default is Group Access only. If you wish to have your results included in the project then you must grant Limited Access to the Administrator. Minimum access means that I can not see any earliest ancestor information that you may have added to your project.
5. H11 in the News
An interesting comment by Stoljarova 2015 in Eupedia.com looking at an Estonian population sample “The discovery of H11a in Narva is a big deal. H11a is more or less East European-specific today. And these mitogenomes from Estonia show there are other forms of H11 in Eastern Europe(H11b, H11*-unclassified).” Narva (a city in Estonia) is at the eastern extreme point of Estonia near the Russian border on the Narva River.
Kevin Alan Brook in his website: Khazaria.com has a page devoted to Polish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries. He presents a table of the frequency of H haplogroup with the total Polish population and lists H11 as 0.52%. This percentage being less than the 1.24% of H predicted in the overall FT DNA database. He does have some fairly recent papers mentioned on his website.
Any submissions to this newsletter can be submitted to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com).
Sunday, July 28, 2019
H11 Newsletter in preparation
This particular issue of the H11 Newsletter will not do a summary of rest spots/geographical areas in the world where H11 has been mentioned. I will reserve that for the first issue of each volume. It is quite time consuming but I do mention it separately and within the newsletter in hopes that members of the group who have been able to locate the resting spot for their furtherest back ancestor will add it to their kit.
I continue brickwalled in Birmingham with my great grandmother Ellen Taylor wife of Edwin Denner Buller. Although I have done a fair amount of research and attempted to eliminate as many Ellen Taylors born in Birmingham in the 1859 to 1862 time period, my thoughts with regard to her parents remains a possibility rather than a probability. I do not on any site or with any of my siblings have a conclusive match with a descendant of Thomas Taylor and Ellen (Roberts) Taylor the possible parents of my Ellen Taylor.
That isn't actually what brought me to the administration of the H11 haplogroup nearly ten years ago however. I was intensely interested and remain thus in the deep ancestry of my particular line. There are several distinct mutations placing me into H11a2a1 with one further mutation that is familial that have assisted me in my quest. For instance I am confident that my line has deep ancestry in Ayrshire/Argyllshire, Scotland. This particular grouping is also found in Country Antrim (and nearby counties in Northern Ireland) as well as in the south of Ireland. It will be the further mutation that will perhaps point more directly to the ancestry of my line.
This haplogroup H11 wintered during the Last Glacial Maximum at Ukraina. H11 is found quite extensively in Russia, the Baltic States, and the Ukraine placing the descendants of those early peoples in the same area in which their ancestors have lived for 20,000 years or more. There is a trek for H11 into Western Europe and the British Isles both across the Channel and via Scandinavia (Doggerland perhaps). In some cases H11 also went south in Europe and can be found in small numbers in Southern Europe.
H11 is a very small portion of Haplogroup H and I will once again discuss that in this newsletter as there have been newer articles since I last wrote about the size of H11 within Haplogroup H.
I continue brickwalled in Birmingham with my great grandmother Ellen Taylor wife of Edwin Denner Buller. Although I have done a fair amount of research and attempted to eliminate as many Ellen Taylors born in Birmingham in the 1859 to 1862 time period, my thoughts with regard to her parents remains a possibility rather than a probability. I do not on any site or with any of my siblings have a conclusive match with a descendant of Thomas Taylor and Ellen (Roberts) Taylor the possible parents of my Ellen Taylor.
That isn't actually what brought me to the administration of the H11 haplogroup nearly ten years ago however. I was intensely interested and remain thus in the deep ancestry of my particular line. There are several distinct mutations placing me into H11a2a1 with one further mutation that is familial that have assisted me in my quest. For instance I am confident that my line has deep ancestry in Ayrshire/Argyllshire, Scotland. This particular grouping is also found in Country Antrim (and nearby counties in Northern Ireland) as well as in the south of Ireland. It will be the further mutation that will perhaps point more directly to the ancestry of my line.
This haplogroup H11 wintered during the Last Glacial Maximum at Ukraina. H11 is found quite extensively in Russia, the Baltic States, and the Ukraine placing the descendants of those early peoples in the same area in which their ancestors have lived for 20,000 years or more. There is a trek for H11 into Western Europe and the British Isles both across the Channel and via Scandinavia (Doggerland perhaps). In some cases H11 also went south in Europe and can be found in small numbers in Southern Europe.
H11 is a very small portion of Haplogroup H and I will once again discuss that in this newsletter as there have been newer articles since I last wrote about the size of H11 within Haplogroup H.
Will of Henry Blake, late Bailiff, Keston, Kent - PROB 11/1906/421, probated 6 Feb 1839
Interestingly there was a James Blake son of Henry and Lucy Blake baptized at Bromley RD in Kent 8 Jul 1792. Keston is in Bromley RD.
Other children baptized at Keston by this Henry and Lucy Blake:
John Blake baptized 4 Feb 1798
A Henry Blake married Lucy Covell at St Mary the Virgin Hayes Kent 17 Sep 1797 (by Banns).
There was a Henry Blake baptized 25 Jul 1773 at Saint Werburgh Hoo, Kent son of Edward and Anne Blake. An Edward Blake married an Ann Greenhill 14 Jul 1760 at St Mary Chatham Kent.
Since Henry was a Bailiff to Sir Vicary Gibbs it may be possible to look at the papers of Sir Vicary to discover more about Henry. There are 60 records held at the National Archives.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/bdbc975a-a62e-4669-9904-037b13128a93
This is the prescription account book of Dr Thomas Ilott a local medical practitioner (the parish of Keston is mentioned in this set of documents) .
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 24 Jul 2019
Source: The National Archives, PROB 11/1906/421
Testator: Henry Blake, late Bailiff
Place: Keston, Kent
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 14 Jan 1839, probated 6 Feb 1839
[Margin]: Henry Blake 5
1 This is the last Will and Testament
2 Of me Henry Blake of the parish of Keston in the County of Kent (late Bailiff to
3 Sir Vicary Gibbs) Whereas I am possessed of a certain share in the Government Stock
4 Or fund called Bank Long annuities and also other property as lent money to
5 Persons well known by my Executors hereinafter named and for which I receive
6 Interest I give and dispose of the same in the manner following First I give
7 And bequeath unto
8 William Eyles of Knockholt in Kent labourer the sum of Ten pounds also I give
9 And bequeath unto Henry Chapman of the parish of Keston in Kent Schoolmas
10 ter the sum of Five pounds also I give and bequeath unto William Purday of
11 Keston in Kent Wheelwright the sum of forty pounds my watch seal and key also
12 Night stool and a chest also I give and bequeath unto Charles Banks of Bexley in
13 Kent Gentleman one of my executors hereinafter mentioned the sum of Ten pounds
14 For the trouble he will have in executing this my Will and as to all the Rest
15 Residue and Remainder of my Estate whatsoever and wheresoever and of
16 What nature kind and quality soever the same may be and not herein before
17 Given and disposed of after payment of my debts legacies funeral expences and
18 The expence of proving this my Will I do hereby give and bequeath the same
19 Being all personal unto my Son James Blake of Penrith in New South Wales
20 His executors admors and assigns to and for his own use and benefit absolutely
21 And I do hereby make ordain constitute and appoint Charles Banks of Bexley
22 Kent Gentleman and William Purday of Keston in Kent Wheelwright Executors
23 Of this my last Will and Testament In Witness whereof I the said Henry Blake
24 The Testator have to this my Will and Testament set my hand and seal this
25 Fourteenth day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
26 And thirty nine Henry Blake Signed sealed published and declared
27 By the said Testator Henry Blake as and for his last Will and Testament in the
28 Presence of us who at his request in his presence and in the presence of each
29 Other subscribed our names as Witnesses thereto Willm Iverson
30 Robert Wood
31 Proved at London the 6th Feb 1839 before the Worshipful Herbert
32 Downer doctor of Laws and Surrogate by the oaths of Charles Banks and William
33 Purdny in the will written Purday the Execdutors to admon was granted having
34 Been first sworn duly to administer
Other children baptized at Keston by this Henry and Lucy Blake:
John Blake baptized 4 Feb 1798
A Henry Blake married Lucy Covell at St Mary the Virgin Hayes Kent 17 Sep 1797 (by Banns).
There was a Henry Blake baptized 25 Jul 1773 at Saint Werburgh Hoo, Kent son of Edward and Anne Blake. An Edward Blake married an Ann Greenhill 14 Jul 1760 at St Mary Chatham Kent.
Since Henry was a Bailiff to Sir Vicary Gibbs it may be possible to look at the papers of Sir Vicary to discover more about Henry. There are 60 records held at the National Archives.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/bdbc975a-a62e-4669-9904-037b13128a93
This is the prescription account book of Dr Thomas Ilott a local medical practitioner (the parish of Keston is mentioned in this set of documents) .
Transcriber: Elizabeth Kipp
Recorded: 24 Jul 2019
Source: The National Archives, PROB 11/1906/421
Testator: Henry Blake, late Bailiff
Place: Keston, Kent
Type of Record: Will
Date of document: 14 Jan 1839, probated 6 Feb 1839
[Margin]: Henry Blake 5
1 This is the last Will and Testament
2 Of me Henry Blake of the parish of Keston in the County of Kent (late Bailiff to
3 Sir Vicary Gibbs) Whereas I am possessed of a certain share in the Government Stock
4 Or fund called Bank Long annuities and also other property as lent money to
5 Persons well known by my Executors hereinafter named and for which I receive
6 Interest I give and dispose of the same in the manner following First I give
7 And bequeath unto
8 William Eyles of Knockholt in Kent labourer the sum of Ten pounds also I give
9 And bequeath unto Henry Chapman of the parish of Keston in Kent Schoolmas
10 ter the sum of Five pounds also I give and bequeath unto William Purday of
11 Keston in Kent Wheelwright the sum of forty pounds my watch seal and key also
12 Night stool and a chest also I give and bequeath unto Charles Banks of Bexley in
13 Kent Gentleman one of my executors hereinafter mentioned the sum of Ten pounds
14 For the trouble he will have in executing this my Will and as to all the Rest
15 Residue and Remainder of my Estate whatsoever and wheresoever and of
16 What nature kind and quality soever the same may be and not herein before
17 Given and disposed of after payment of my debts legacies funeral expences and
18 The expence of proving this my Will I do hereby give and bequeath the same
19 Being all personal unto my Son James Blake of Penrith in New South Wales
20 His executors admors and assigns to and for his own use and benefit absolutely
21 And I do hereby make ordain constitute and appoint Charles Banks of Bexley
22 Kent Gentleman and William Purday of Keston in Kent Wheelwright Executors
23 Of this my last Will and Testament In Witness whereof I the said Henry Blake
24 The Testator have to this my Will and Testament set my hand and seal this
25 Fourteenth day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
26 And thirty nine Henry Blake Signed sealed published and declared
27 By the said Testator Henry Blake as and for his last Will and Testament in the
28 Presence of us who at his request in his presence and in the presence of each
29 Other subscribed our names as Witnesses thereto Willm Iverson
30 Robert Wood
31 Proved at London the 6th Feb 1839 before the Worshipful Herbert
32 Downer doctor of Laws and Surrogate by the oaths of Charles Banks and William
33 Purdny in the will written Purday the Execdutors to admon was granted having
34 Been first sworn duly to administer
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